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mallina
Caldari Sybrite Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.13 17:31:00 -
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Does this mean the Crusader is going to lose it's Tracking Bonus? ---
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CCP Zulupark
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Posted - 2007.10.13 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: mallina Does this mean the Crusader is going to lose it's Tracking Bonus?
Crow, Claw, Crusader and Taranis will not have their bonuses changed one bit, they only get the new role bonus added.
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Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.13 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zulupark
Originally by: mallina Does this mean the Crusader is going to lose it's Tracking Bonus?
Crow, Claw, Crusader and Taranis will not have their bonuses changed one bit, they only get the new role bonus added.
for the malediction it just means that amarrians will once more fit unbonused weapons to their ships....everything back to normal so to speak.
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ArmyOfMe
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.13 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zulupark
The Arazu and Lachesis can also do this, and much more effectively, scrambling up to 40km range (or more) and sensor dampen their target completely. There's nothing a solo BS can do against that either.
Imo your wrong on this point, ive to date not ever run into a single lachesis or arazu that have been able to outrun my small drones, a interceptor on the other hand has no problems with that at all
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Shoukei
Boobs Ahoy
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Posted - 2007.10.13 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zulupark I'm saying that Ares, Malediction, Raptor and Stiletto will be able to lay down +1 warp scramble from up to 30km (approx) on a battleships, and the battleship will not be able to do much about it... except maybe MWD to a gate or station, call in friends (cause there's NO way that these interceptors will break a BS's tank from that range) or.... or.. or.. maybe not fly around in a BS solo without a scout?
The Arazu and Lachesis can also do this, and much more effectively, scrambling up to 40km range (or more) and sensor dampen their target completely. There's nothing a solo BS can do against that either.
will the locking range on these ceptors be boosted as well? right now they cant lock beyond 22km.
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CCP Zulupark
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Posted - 2007.10.13 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Shoukei
Originally by: CCP Zulupark I'm saying that Ares, Malediction, Raptor and Stiletto will be able to lay down +1 warp scramble from up to 30km (approx) on a battleships, and the battleship will not be able to do much about it... except maybe MWD to a gate or station, call in friends (cause there's NO way that these interceptors will break a BS's tank from that range) or.... or.. or.. maybe not fly around in a BS solo without a scout?
The Arazu and Lachesis can also do this, and much more effectively, scrambling up to 40km range (or more) and sensor dampen their target completely. There's nothing a solo BS can do against that either.
will the locking range on these ceptors be boosted as well? right now they cant lock beyond 22km.
Actually they can lock up to about 30km with skills (22km is just the base). This is fully intended.
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Sangxianc
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.13 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Sangxianc on 13/10/2007 17:48:05 <whoops too slow>
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Kayosoni
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.13 17:56:00 -
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it's about ****in time for this change. -----------------------------------
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.13 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong No need, ive done it for you. With 2 meds, and 4 lows, the Ares is fine, and perfectly inline with all the other "tackle" interceptors with 6 total med/low slots.
You mean like the stiletto?
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.13 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mei Jinn ***I wonder if Goonswarm are doing a Jig over this***
i can tell you that i'm laughing histerically atm
MY CROW just became uber.
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Szprinkoth Sponsz
Invicta. Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2007.10.13 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zulupark
Originally by: Shoukei
Originally by: CCP Zulupark I'm saying that Ares, Malediction, Raptor and Stiletto will be able to lay down +1 warp scramble from up to 30km (approx) on a battleships, and the battleship will not be able to do much about it... except maybe MWD to a gate or station, call in friends (cause there's NO way that these interceptors will break a BS's tank from that range) or.... or.. or.. maybe not fly around in a BS solo without a scout?
The Arazu and Lachesis can also do this, and much more effectively, scrambling up to 40km range (or more) and sensor dampen their target completely. There's nothing a solo BS can do against that either.
will the locking range on these ceptors be boosted as well? right now they cant lock beyond 22km.
Actually they can lock up to about 30km with skills (22km is just the base). This is fully intended.
Look at the Claw. Then get back to us.
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Broska
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.13 18:08:00 -
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To be honest a web range bonus would be more usefull.
Scram, Web + Orbit at 20km would rock a hell of alot more than scramble at 30km. Considering the 10km can be covered in 2 seconds by most inties.
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Kelron Queldine
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.10.13 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz
Look at the Claw. Then get back to us.
The Claw which isn't getting a scram range bonus? *Claps* ---------------------------
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Nomme
Mugen Shipyards
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Posted - 2007.10.13 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: CCP Zulupark but doing so will sacrifice pretty much all their damage, so they will in fact only be useful in gangs.
A flawed argument. Interceptors are only useful as gang ships anyway, because they deal nearly no damage. Though, i suppose this doesnt matter as the inties this applies to were never used at all before (except maybe the amarr one). They might see the light of day now.
Quote: You can of course still use these ships as you did before by fitting a +2 warp scrambler instead of a disruptor.
a 9km scrambler + 25% range is still only 11.25km. That's so close to web range that it'll never be a viable choice over the 30km a t2 disruptor gives you, especially now there are no cap issues at all.
Quote: The 'damage' interceptors will now be able to run their warp disruptor+mwd indefinetly, but they will however have to stay inside of NOS/Neutralizer range to do so.
Yay. Crow can finally use both meds for tackling purposes . Might the webbing rocket crow make a comeback?
Sorry Elmicker but I had alot of success in holding down BS in the 11.5-13km range pre,Khanid buff. With the lack of Cap issues its now no problem to set an orbit of 7,500m and spin out to +10 from here with 2 points and no tracking issues with rockets the Malediction will really shine.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.10.13 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Elliott Manchild
Originally by: Kap Lan
Originally by: ArmyOfMe
I see your point, but u have to agree that a bs should be able to at least have some defence against small ships, and if these changes happen a interceptor can tackle a bs forever without any risk at all
What about T2 light drones?
I have very little experience in PVP, so perhaps I'm off base. But it seems that five Hobgoblin II drones, for example, would eat up an interceptor.
They certainly have no problem eating up Spider Drone IIs and other very fast, little ships in PVE.
Lets take for example, a well setup crow, without snakes you can easily get them over 10km per second and they are the most used interceptor. How can t2 light drones catch this? ;p
Hmmm... Do you fly a Crow to start with in order to have a clue what you are talking about ?
Because I hope you don't think that a "well setup Crow" use 3 OD's right ? Nah, I'll tell you. A well setup Crow combining speed and agility on a pimp setup (but without using polycarbs II) will get you between 8.5 and 9.5 Km/sec WITHOUT snakes and gang mods but INCLUDING your skirmish warfare leadership skills and maxed navigation skills.
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Aramendel
Amarr North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.13 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Nomme Sorry Elmicker but I had alot of success in holding down BS in the 11.5-13km range pre,Khanid buff.
Until you meet overloaded webs.
And you'll have a *max* range of 11.25k, which is still below the ranges you've used. 10.8k with inty 4.
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Semkhet
KR0M The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.10.13 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: Unaralas Uhmm... the crow doesn't get the scram range bonus dude. Raptor does
Then replace everywhere i've said "Crow" with "Raptor" or whatever inty you prefer to fly. Inties don't kill things, they tackle. However, the point still stands about the crow now being able to constantly run its mwd + point. Previously it could only keep that up for a minute or so.
Cough cough... So say I fall on you and actually MWD and ACTUALLY scramble you for 10 consecutive minutes, you would petition it ? Seems that you don't know how to setup a Crow...
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Yaggher Xanuben
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Posted - 2007.10.13 18:32:00 -
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My stiletto is not a one-time ship anymore, cheers. All that cry about a battleship not being able to defeat a small tackler anymore, wtf? Ever heard of tank?
OK. The tackler has a friend in a BS to pewpew you. So what, kill the BS! Then fly to gate and you're outta there.
Tackler and two BSes you say? Kill one BS and die. As you would anyway, tackler or no tackler.
15 ceptros you say? How come you are always alone and all the others have friends with them? Carebears :P
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Zikka
The Establishment
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Posted - 2007.10.13 18:36:00 -
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Just an idea, but rather than a +5% bonus to range per level how about a +1km range per level bonus?
It comes to about the same for disruptors ( 24km used to go to 30, now goes to 29 ) but for shorter range stuff like 2 pt scramblers and webs it makes a much bigger difference.
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MITSUK0
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Posted - 2007.10.13 18:40:00 -
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lol
So the crow now gets a bonus to cap use on disrupters? Bye bye cap mods, hello speed mods!
All you people who stuck it out with caldari should be pleased, uber crows and uber ravens will be the order of the day!
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Azirapheal
Amarr The Bastards
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Posted - 2007.10.13 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Kanonus
Originally by: ArmyOfMe Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 13/10/2007 11:35:59
come to think about it, this would be a very bad change for any bs since they will now allways be scramed from outside nos/neut range
Did it ever come to you that's exactly the idea behind it? As it is right now a ceptor is dead meat when tackling a BS with a neut (and the number of neut equipped BS is on the rise).
The job of the intercetor is tackling. A job it fails horribly at right now. They are no alternative over a sabre as it is.
I see your point, but u have to agree that a bs should be able to at least have some defence against small ships, and if these changes happen a interceptor can tackle a bs forever without any risk at all
and you are talking *******s.
drones you nubbin, every battleship has a drone bay
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Eve University
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Posted - 2007.10.13 18:48:00 -
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Meh, still can't run an Ares for more than a couple minutes before it caps out. At least my Taranis will last a bit longer.
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Wrayeth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.13 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 13/10/2007 18:52:52 FFS. I hope you realize you just spelled the doom of every ship larger than a destroyer (and maybe even destroyers - I don't fly 'em enough to know if they have the speed/range/tracking needed).
Cruisers unable to fight back against the lone 'ceptor that's killing them? Check (not enough range/tracking on medium weaponry, and medium neuts don't have the range either).
Battlecruisers unable to fight back against the lone 'ceptor tackling them? Also check (same problem as cruisers).
Battleships unable to fight back against the lone 'ceptor? Check as well (BS guns *may* have the range, depending on type, but can't track worth a damn; neuts used to be the only defense against 'ceptors, but now they won't help at all).
Seriously, CCP, why are you doing this? Are you trying to turn this into all of the other MMOs out there with enforced grouping and an inability to be useful without 6283 friends? It may be cliche, but if this change makes it in I may have to cancel my account (no you can't have my stuff). I prefer flying the larger ships, and this change will make them useless without a fair-sized gang to back them up, even against a lone 'ceptor.
TBH, the torp nerf is bad enough, with the increase in sig radius FORCING anyone who wants to fly a torp raven to have a buddy with a painter, but now this? Repeat after me: there are no elves or giant rats in EVE. The game was not designed for a particular ship class to be absolutely useless without other, complementary ships (at least until you got to the capital level). We joined EVE to get away from all of the "You must have a fighter for tank, a healer to keep him alive, a crowd-control to mez the mobs, and a caster for DPS" crap of other MMOs, yet it seems that's the direction EVE is now going.
One word: WHY? -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.13 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth One word: WHY?
Because new players will be useful. I support any change that is positive in improving new players experience. You could always get a friend to scout or take up the extra account offer and make an alt scout.
It is not that difficult. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
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Wrayeth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.13 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 13/10/2007 19:06:34
Originally by: shinsushi This is an awesome change CCP. \o/
Don't listen to the whining and crying. Finally, ships might have different roles rather than just BS>BC>cruiser>frig.
Yes, now it will be frig > BS > BC > cruiser, despite the fact that the larger ships cost a lot more. Great idea, truly.
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Quote: EDIT: Oh NOES!!! My BS might be vulnerable to a tackle !!!
I get tackled all the time, so I don't know what you're talking about. Sure, I can run off a single 'ceptor in my tempest, but my ship also costs about ten to twenty times more, all told. Make it two or three 'ceptors and I'm screwed. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire
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Synapse X
Gallente United Eve Directorate
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Posted - 2007.10.13 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth TBH, the torp nerf is bad enough, with the increase in sig radius FORCING anyone who wants to fly a torp raven to have a buddy with a painter, but now this? Repeat after me: there are no elves or giant rats in EVE. The game was not designed for a particular ship class to be absolutely useless without other, complementary ships (at least until you got to the capital level). We joined EVE to get away from all of the "You must have a fighter for tank, a healer to keep him alive, a crowd-control to mez the mobs, and a caster for DPS" crap of other MMOs, yet it seems that's the direction EVE is now going. "You must have X gang composition to be able to do anything."
One word: WHY?
QFMFT
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.13 19:05:00 -
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Wrayeth, this is the nature of the game. Scouts and cloaks win the game. If you do not want to adapt, you don't need to whine about it.
I agree with BS > BC > Cruisers > Frigates > BS. :) --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
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shinsushi
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Posted - 2007.10.13 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Yes, now it will be frig > BS > BC > cruiser, despite the fact that the larger ships cost a lot more. Great idea, truly.
Dude your whine gear is stuck in overdrive eh?
Tell me when 1 frig is gonna pwn a BS? It can tackle and tickle it. Imagine that, a Battleship needing support...
Jenny has it right.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.13 19:08:00 -
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Thank you Shinsushi. I am glad you see it my way that I am always right. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
Leon 026
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.13 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Leon 026 on 13/10/2007 19:10:22 Looks like inty haters now got what they want, nerfed interceptor dps. Only this time, inties will be tackling out of range of everything and orbitting even faster. This is what happens when you scream for nerf too much.
Being an inty pilot, this is a great thing for me :D -------
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