| Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 [7] 8 9 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
   |
Posted - 2007.10.29 22:53:00 -
[181]
Edited by: d026 on 29/10/2007 22:54:14
Edited by: d026 on 29/10/2007 22:52:58
 Quote:
Yes because fighting 5 vs 15 is very borig indeed.
dont tell me you fight 5 vs 15 if you werent sure to win. also this just proves how imba speedstups are.
/ps to the tri guy: was very nice of you that you showed up in bs's yesterday please com back more often
|
Proxy 13
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
|
Posted - 2007.10.29 23:04:00 -
[182]
CCP please make the every whine OP do 9999999999 dmg to everything and takes 0.0001 dmg from everything. then people will just say "fill in anything you don't like. i.e. you can't use titans for example
|
Lesican
Minmatar
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2007.10.29 23:06:00 -
[183]
As someone that flys nano-ships and loves small gang skirmish warfare I have to say speed fits are well balanced.
IMO Vagabonds sacrifice a hell of a lot for there speed. Cap stability for your MWD is killed by lack of cap modules and rigs, if you want to run your MWD for an extended period it takes away from your speed, either in lows and rigs, and if you sacrifice a midslot for cap stability say good bye to your paper tank. This means a single Neut will ruin your day and combined with a web will loose you your ship.
You also loose allot of damage potential, low slot speed takes away from damage mods on a ship that doesn't hit very hard and as you have to fight in falloff to stay alive at a "safe" orbit speed you miss as often as you hit. This means you spend allot of time gumming your prey to death giving them enough time to get their friends in to fend you off, or to try a few different attempts to either catch you (overheat webs) or drain your cap. You certainly cannot solo the universe and to loose a decent vaga can mean a hell of a grind to replace.
Nano gang's can be excellent roaming ships, they give you the option to cover vast amounts of enemy territory, busting through camps or returning to gates (if they look like they have a clue) before you find some prey and have a decent chance of survival for getting the loot home, but the cost involved and the risk's involved, that people who dont fly them certainly do not understand. Some of the most fun can be had constantly changing speeds, orbits and ammo's to catch and kill someone in a group, getting your gang in and out and not loosing an extremely large amounts of isk certainly makes for some brilliant afternoons play.
I can see the frustration of someone caught unawares or un prepared, you feel like there is nothing you can do, all your skill training and investments seem mute when you can't fight back, almost as if your ship is useless, but it feels the same way when, dampened, ecm'd, neut'd, caught in a camp and volled to death, etc. When I fly in a well prepared gang, with complementary setups, each ship set to work with the others, between a small gang billions of isk involved the rush is amazing and kills and deaths will always happen. But when I loose my stuff, find my pod in a clone bay, my wallet fast emptying to replace the fun I had, I spare a thought to the guys who won and wish them a fun afternoon too.
|
Darcuese
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2007.10.29 23:13:00 -
[184]
i think you guys talk to much about ships that have natural speed bonuses, so they need to go lot faster then other ships aND at same time having many disadvantages.
I mentioned other ships (without natural speed bonuses) that go 6.5k, and that is not natural in my book (especially when their disadvantages are lesses then vaga going at same speed). But i wont go over with it again.
But i would mention those remarks regarding costs of implants (snakes). Normal pilot with ship going 6.5km+ shouldnt have much problem to avoid being podded while in sphere where mosts of implants are losts. So, even though they are most expensive, percentage of such implant losses is lot lesser then with smaller speed ships. So in time, it does get payed
me, myself and I ------> |
Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2007.10.29 23:17:00 -
[185]
Originally by: d026
Quote:
Vague handwavium. Give me a setup or stfu. Damps and lots of eccm? What ship are you flying that has so many mids? You mentioned the muninn and the deimos, those have THREE mids. Thats 1 eccm, 1 mwd, and 1 disruptor, thats assuming you dont use a web.
i agree seems quite difficult to put a setup togetter that works 100%. on the other hand how many soloing rooks do you see compared to vagas?
So you conceed the argument. Thank you. Now should we nerf rooks because according to you anything you cant solo with the right fit should be nerfed?
signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected]) |
Donna Maria
Amarr
|
Posted - 2007.10.29 23:20:00 -
[186]
Dont be scared of Nana-Vagas. Everyone has to warp to the same gates. A few small bubbles and some smartbombing ships with webs, and see what happens.. Experiment!
Doh
If you play like Forest Gump, I guess you will be a bit slow.
Im the girl momma warned you about..
|
umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Republic Military School
|
Posted - 2007.10.29 23:36:00 -
[187]
Originally by: d026
Edited by: d026 on 29/10/2007 15:00:33
Some things i'd liek to see:
No maneuverability/agility while MWD on.
40k webs
20k webs
Module to increase targets mass
Web sphere (launched from dictors, cant ovelay a dictor sphere)
omg stop *****ING.
You may not realise it but you are playing the EASY MODE RACE.
If you had any idea what was going on, you would have stopped spamming this thread with your "omg my toraps cannot hit thon vaga T_T" crap.
Train for a rapier. Train for the new t2 frigates.
Put the time and effort the hac pilot did into it.
I cant believe this whine thread (a bad whine thread, the Op represents the entire anti nano party well.) has gone on for this god damn long.
Caldari ******s and ******s in general cannot handle nanoships, but everyone else has no problem seeing and going for the obvious solutions.
I really dont want to help you to counter nanoships so im going to let you come up with your own solutions (i look forward to a fleet of target painting ravens coming to a system near me)
Even a whiney pve raven can eliminate solo nanoships as any kind of threat.
Vaga whiners: shutup...
Sac whiners: Yes, its powerful, i think this is recompense for how long it was obsolete for.
Ishtar whiners: try flying one, its a very good ship but even a t1 tanked drake with just a web is a real problem... if you cant go in close you lose a lot of drones and this really gimps you (you can only carry 15 heavys...)
nanocerb whiners: lol who am i kidding... caldari cant pvp...
|
Elixibren
Fatalix Inc.
Rising Sun Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.10.29 23:42:00 -
[188]
F*ck it, combat should be chance based.
Initiate Combat
Flip a coin
Whoever loses, dies.
|
Synapse Archae
Amarr
Solarflare Heavy Industries
Pure.
|
Posted - 2007.10.29 23:46:00 -
[189]
Originally by: d026
Edited by: d026 on 29/10/2007 22:54:14
Edited by: d026 on 29/10/2007 22:52:58
Quote:
Yes because fighting 5 vs 15 is very borig indeed.
dont tell me you fight 5 vs 15 if you werent sure to win. also this just proves how imba speedstups are.
/ps to the tri guy: was very nice of you that you showed up in bs's yesterday please com back more often
A nano gang can fight 5 v 15, kill 10 of the enemy ships for one loss, and still have lost more isk than killed.
- - - Originally by: CCP Garthagk
While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
|
d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
|
Posted - 2007.10.29 23:55:00 -
[190]
Edited by: d026 on 29/10/2007 23:55:35
Quote:
So you conceed the argument. Thank you. Now should we nerf rooks because according to you anything you cant solo with the right fit should be nerfed?
but you compare differen ship classes to each other. how hard is it for a frig to kill a titan?
it seems all hacs are nicely ballanced arround each other. cerb > deimos if fit x,y but deimos > cerb if fit z,x. etc blabla.. but not the vaga. vaga uses fit x and is sucessful 100% of the time (except hes lagging and desyncd)
|
JamnOne
Amarr
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 00:01:00 -
[191]
Just like with all of the other nerf threads I don't see an issue. I didn't see one with the Drake, I didn't see one with WCS stacking, I didn't see one with NOS. Can't say anything about Carriers I don't fly them or engage them.
Have you tried using Drones? Drones can web a ship and shoot at a ship. If it webs the ship, ship slows down and you can fire your missiles.
I am curious - what were you flying and how was your ship setup?
________________________
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Hah! Vengeance is sweet! 
|
Zana Kito
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 00:05:00 -
[192]
Edited by: Zana Kito on 30/10/2007 00:06:39
Remember why warp core stabs were nerfed hard? Think about it.
Same principle applies to nanofits with faction mwd, snakes and rigs.
They aren't so bad but when you add all these multipliers to speed together, it leads to serious imbalance.
edit: to the guy above me.. drones to counter nanofits?.. lol.
|
JamnOne
Amarr
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 00:12:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Zana Kito
Edited by: Zana Kito on 30/10/2007 00:06:39
edit: to the guy above me.. drones to counter nanofits?.. lol.
Hmm, if Drones is funny then I guess they need a boost.
So is it safe to presume you can send let's say 3 web drones after a nano and it won't slow it down enough for you to shoot at it?
________________________
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
|
Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 00:16:00 -
[194]
Originally by: d026
Edited by: d026 on 29/10/2007 23:55:35
Quote:
So you conceed the argument. Thank you. Now should we nerf rooks because according to you anything you cant solo with the right fit should be nerfed?
but you compare differen ship classes to each other. how hard is it for a frig to kill a titan?
it seems all hacs are nicely ballanced arround each other. cerb > deimos if fit x,y but deimos > cerb if fit z,x. etc blabla.. but not the vaga. vaga uses fit x and is sucessful 100% of the time (except hes lagging and desyncd)
Yes the difference between a recon and a hac is like the difference between a frig and a titan.
Both are t2 cruisers.
signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected]) |
umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Republic Military School
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 00:45:00 -
[195]
Originally by: JamnOne
Originally by: Zana Kito
Edited by: Zana Kito on 30/10/2007 00:06:39
edit: to the guy above me.. drones to counter nanofits?.. lol.
Hmm, if Drones is funny then I guess they need a boost.
So is it safe to presume you can send let's say 3 web drones after a nano and it won't slow it down enough for you to shoot at it?
No you're right, smahkill whiners dont understand small gang tactics.
I doubt he has any idea how web drones work or why they are helpful... dont give the ******s ideas though
|
d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 00:46:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: d026
Edited by: d026 on 29/10/2007 23:55:35
Quote:
So you conceed the argument. Thank you. Now should we nerf rooks because according to you anything you cant solo with the right fit should be nerfed?
but you compare differen ship classes to each other. how hard is it for a frig to kill a titan?
it seems all hacs are nicely ballanced arround each other. cerb > deimos if fit x,y but deimos > cerb if fit z,x. etc blabla.. but not the vaga. vaga uses fit x and is sucessful 100% of the time (except hes lagging and desyncd)
Yes the difference between a recon and a hac is like the difference between a frig and a titan.
Both are t2 cruisers.
at leats they nerfed your sig
|
gregory j
Gallente
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Chaos Incarnate.
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 00:47:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Carriers then Nanos and then Cap Boosters. What's next?
exotic dancers would be my best bet
------------------------------------------------
2007.02.22 03:34
This evemail message is subject to a CSPA service charge of 2,000,000,000 ISK, which you must accept to complete the invitation. |
d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 00:47:00 -
[198]
Originally by: umop 3pisdn
Originally by: JamnOne
Originally by: Zana Kito
Edited by: Zana Kito on 30/10/2007 00:06:39
edit: to the guy above me.. drones to counter nanofits?.. lol.
Hmm, if Drones is funny then I guess they need a boost.
So is it safe to presume you can send let's say 3 web drones after a nano and it won't slow it down enough for you to shoot at it?
No you're right, smahkill whiners dont understand small gang tactics.
I doubt he has any idea how web drones work or why they are helpful... dont give the ******s ideas though
yeah a noobcorp alt knows much about small scale pvp
|
d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 00:48:00 -
[199]
and btw its smashkill not smahill , but i agree i'd prefere killsmash:)
|
Call'Da Poleece
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 00:50:00 -
[200]
What would be best would be something that a lot of different ships could field to blow up speed ships, not just scare them off when things arent going to plan, but actually blow them up .... like for example a new heavy missle that would actually do some damage against a ship doing 10km/s or even up to 20km/s... loads of different ships could fit it, give it a nasty side effect and voila, speed gangs can speed all they want, but if they see a ship that fits med missles they run crying for mommy
Large amounts of isk spent on implants and mods should not be an automatic iwin button |
JamnOne
Amarr
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 01:00:00 -
[201]
Originally by: umop 3pisdn
Originally by: JamnOne
Originally by: Zana Kito
Edited by: Zana Kito on 30/10/2007 00:06:39
edit: to the guy above me.. drones to counter nanofits?.. lol.
Hmm, if Drones is funny then I guess they need a boost.
So is it safe to presume you can send let's say 3 web drones after a nano and it won't slow it down enough for you to shoot at it?
No you're right, smahkill whiners dont understand small gang tactics.
I doubt he has any idea how web drones work or why they are helpful... dont give the ******s ideas though
Thats funny that word is not allowed here.
And I'm sorry - I won't give out any more ideas.
________________________
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Hah! Vengeance is sweet!
|
Buyerr
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 01:32:00 -
[202]
very easy, let the speed bonus be on basic speed (speed before any bonus) then problem solved... ow **** that actually take brain power to calculate RUN!!! CCP !!! RUUN FOR YOUR LIFE; ARRGGEEREREGEGE YOU NEED TO THINK ARRRRRRRHHH...
well yer.. i can't believe they still haven't done this.. anything that takes % of something that had % from something etc.. is bound to end in insane amounts. all the stacking nerf are result of this, and would not have been needed if not for something as stupid as this..
(can't recall what it is called in english, banks does it too).
ow well ccp don't have the capacity to think outside the box.
|
umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Republic Military School
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 01:45:00 -
[203]
Originally by: MITSUK0
ECM drones, heavy neuts, overheated webs, piloting skill, interceptors, remote tanking/logistics, co-ordinated flying, weapons capable of dealing damage out to ~26km, killing drones first.
Those are just a few counters, some work solo, some work for gangs, all of them work when you do it right.
Also if a nano ship attacks you at a gate you allways have the option to de-agress and leave. If a vaga is shooting you then transversal is low and you can shoot back. If an ishtar/curse is orbiting you, kill his drones.
The fight will not allways result in a killmail but saying there are no counters to speed setups is stupid. You suck.
This is correct.
Vagas locking range is low by default.
Get a damp.
|
Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 02:15:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Buyerr
very easy, let the speed bonus be on basic speed (speed before any bonus) then problem solved... ow **** that actually take brain power to calculate RUN!!! CCP !!! RUUN FOR YOUR LIFE; ARRGGEEREREGEGE YOU NEED TO THINK ARRRRRRRHHH...
well yer.. i can't believe they still haven't done this.. anything that takes % of something that had % from something etc.. is bound to end in insane amounts. all the stacking nerf are result of this, and would not have been needed if not for something as stupid as this..
(can't recall what it is called in english, banks does it too).
ow well ccp don't have the capacity to think outside the box.
Most non coherent rant award goes to...
|
Jade190
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 03:13:00 -
[205]
Originally by: d026
Why don't you have a buddy with you to do the tackling? Eve is supposed to be a multi-player game. You cant have both but deny it the others. So either you are not able to keep anything in place or you give me the ability to web you at scram range (+20k).
Too bad the vagabond can't maintain it's cap for that long. So it may tackle, but not long enough for it to kill you
|
Semkhet
KR0M
The Red Skull
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 07:16:00 -
[206]
Edited by: Semkhet on 30/10/2007 07:25:10
Originally by: d026
Originally by: umop 3pisdn
Originally by: JamnOne
Originally by: Zana Kito
Edited by: Zana Kito on 30/10/2007 00:06:39
edit: to the guy above me.. drones to counter nanofits?.. lol.
Hmm, if Drones is funny then I guess they need a boost.
So is it safe to presume you can send let's say 3 web drones after a nano and it won't slow it down enough for you to shoot at it?
No you're right, smahkill whiners dont understand small gang tactics.
I doubt he has any idea how web drones work or why they are helpful... dont give the ******s ideas though
yeah a noobcorp alt knows much about small scale pvp
And a peep which uses the sentence "Caldari all the way" in his sig certainly gives the impression that in PvP he's smart enough to use the right tool in the right context at the right time... LMAO
Btw, I noticed that in your plethora of obsessive posts dismissing every applicable counter, you conveniently forgot to address how snipers can decimate nanogangs. But why I'm not surprised at your attitude ?
You see, it's mainly people with a brain the size of a ladybug unable to fight unless they can field a minimum ratio of 4 vs 1 which have induced other players to excel in the art of skirmish warfare. And on top you are shortsighted enough to attempt to reference what is good for EvE by using metrics which emphasize lack of competence, skills, tactical flair and creativity ?
Ever witnessed the degree of discipline, dynamism and clarity required by voice comms of nanogangs ? Guess not, it's slightly more complicated than sitting on your lazy & fat ass calling targets in alphabetic order. Do yourself a favor, go play tic-tac-toe, at least you won't suffer headaches...
 |
Retnik
0utbreak
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 08:14:00 -
[207]
I laugh when people defend the vaga saying it's supposed to go fast, and the eos and myrmidon get nerfed when they are supposed to be drone platforms. Difference? They have effective counters and the vaga does not. Seems like backwards logic to me...
So every time I see a nano sleipnir I'm going to send CCP a mail stating that's not the intended role of the sleipnir just to remind them the trend they like to randomly follow when it's convienent to them. And I am guilty of trying the Nano-Ishter...it wasn't all that fun imo.
_______________________________________
|
Semkhet
KR0M
The Red Skull
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 09:06:00 -
[208]
Edited by: Semkhet on 30/10/2007 09:16:08
Originally by: Retnik
I laugh when people defend the vaga saying it's supposed to go fast, and the eos and myrmidon get nerfed when they are supposed to be drone platforms. Difference? They have effective counters and the vaga does not. Seems like backwards logic to me...
So every time I see a nano sleipnir I'm going to send CCP a mail stating that's not the intended role of the sleipnir just to remind them the trend they like to randomly follow when it's convienent to them. And I am guilty of trying the Nano-Ishter...it wasn't all that fun imo.
Disneyland crappola. A lone Curse will pwn a lone vaga each time.
Recipe:
A- Activate 2 TD's to reduce the 220mm AC's maximum range to 23.5 Km (500 m optimal + 23 Km falloff when using Barrage), and screw his tracking.
B- Once he's orbiting below 23 Km, overheat your T2 disruptor (or better, use a faction mod) and fire one time 3 med unstables. Vaga capacitor is instantly empty. Leave 1 unstable in auto. Activate 2 hvy launchers with CN scourges & unleash 5 Vespa T2.
C- MWD at 1.7 Km/sec in direction of the vaga who's now trying to escape without MWD at less than 1 Km/sec.
D- Web when you get under 10 Km. Orbit at 8 Km. Pulse your MWD if required. Dead vaga.
Bottom point is that a vaga orbiting over your neut range of 38 Km can't hurt you, nor even scram you with an overheated domination disruptor. If he enters your neut range he's in deep poo, and if he come close enough to hit you, he will go down.
So what were you saying ? That a vaga does not have counter ?
|
Gefex
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 10:57:00 -
[209]
When over a certain percentage of people start using a certain flavor of the month fit, and a certain percentage of people whine about it enough then it will be changed. I'm sure there is a formula somewhere you could work it out.
Its true though, but then eve would suck if everyone flew the same ship/fit, and currently every PvPer worth his salt is training up for some kind of nano fit. Then where would we be?
Something has to give eventually, but the longer they wait then the louder the crys will be when all the people who have spent billions on speed fits suddenly realize that they aren't going to own solopwnmobiles anymore.
|
Semkhet
KR0M
The Red Skull
|
Posted - 2007.10.30 11:21:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Gefex
When over a certain percentage of people start using a certain flavor of the month fit, and a certain percentage of people whine about it enough then it will be changed. I'm sure there is a formula somewhere you could work it out.
Its true though, but then eve would suck if everyone flew the same ship/fit, and currently every PvPer worth his salt is training up for some kind of nano fit. Then where would we be?
Something has to give eventually, but the longer they wait then the louder the crys will be when all the people who have spent billions on speed fits suddenly realize that they aren't going to own solopwnmobiles anymore.
Well, that's another thing that always make me laugh, no matter if in EVE or RL.
Do you think that any mentally sane individual would not use the most performing tool in a given area provided he enjoys both the skills to use it properly and the money to own it ?
Last time I checked athletes use the best gear, racers use the best cars, armies attempt to field the best equipment, HiFi freaks use the best high-end devices, etc... Bottom line, everyone, no matter if individual, institution or government, attempts to get the best affordable hardware in an area which for whatever reason got prioritized.
It's like what ? 2000 years that we function that way ? So why are there peeps immature & unrealistic enough to dismiss what is common practice in the whole history of humanity, no matter the time or place ?
Besides, this whole stinking whine against nanoships is a monument to the ineptitude of those who can't counter them using the myriad of existing & effective tactics.
Do you think that if someone invests the same amount of isk required by an excellent nanopilot into a shield or armor tank, you would be able to break that tank without problems ? Hell, a Gist-B X-Large SB costs less than a low-grade snake set. Now let's see how easy you break a BS tank which can permarun such a booster...
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 [7] 8 9 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |