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Ostr0mir Redshift Riders DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.29 14:55:00 - [91] Originally by: Calimor Edited by: Calimor on 29/10/2007 12:04:26 Hahahaha I posted the other day on the general forums that I don't believe, if we win the war, the RSF would rule EVE for more than 2-3 years because of the way this game is dynamic. You wish
Benvolio GrrrKrishnakk GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 14:57:00 - [92] Originally by: Ostr0mir Originally by: Calimor Edited by: Calimor on 29/10/2007 12:04:26 Hahahaha I posted the other day on the general forums that I don't believe, if we win the war, the RSF would rule EVE for more than 2-3 years because of the way this game is dynamic. You wish I'm pretty sure he meant to say 2-3 days. ____
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:00:00 - [93] Originally by: Illaria Now that they are strong, they're eager to pay back for all the slights suffered when they were small and weak. so you're trying to say that goons did nothing from the time that bob said "we control your game", UNTIL "they became strong"? that's a pretty intelligent stance to take. yup, goons waited 5 years, building up a great mining/manufacturing/marketing infrastructure and THEN after all that time hiding and keeping low -- they fought back~!! if i did lol/lmao, i'd have to just max out the characters with that.
Schani Kratnorr Internal Revenue Service	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:01:00 - [94] Originally by: The Mittani calm down What you witness here is a classical example of the "one-liner, diffusion flame-post". The basic method involves block-quoting someone and replying with non-direct critisism. Designed to be impossible to respond to, by default, its very nature is an affront to communication. A more well-known version of this type of response is the: "NO YOU SHUT UP"-infinite loop. @The Mittani, try coming up with actual critisism before wasting everyones time by posting useless one-liner replies please.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:02:00 - [95] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Originally by: The Mittani calm down What you witness here is a classical example of the "one-liner, diffusion flame-post". The basic method involves block-quoting someone and replying with non-direct critisism. Designed to be impossible to respond to, by default, its very nature is an affront to communication. A more well-known version of this type of response is the: "NO YOU SHUT UP"-infinite loop. @The Mittani, try coming up with actual critisism before wasting everyones time by posting useless one-liner replies please. stop posting
Phelan Driscoll GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:02:00 - [96] Originally by: Rbel Ion Edited by: Rbel Ion on 29/10/2007 14:31:21 ^^^ nps Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: Rbel Ion No not really. I just wanted to rub home that you're a laughing stock on somethingawful. everything is the laughing stock of somethingawful, which is kind of the point No it isn't. Morality Squad member spotted. ______________________________________ fire 59 > \o/ , nerdswarm is here PriestWithKnives > sorry we took so long we were talking to our dads fire 59 > ah cool fire 59 > di
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:02:00 - [97] Something is happening here, and I'm getting a little worried. Let's review the errors in GoonFleet's statements in order. First, I doubtlessly can't live with frightful, dodgy yahoos who replace intellectual integrity with muzzy-headed sloganeering. As the oft-repeated saying goes, "GoonFleet is not just shallow, but proud of it". The importance of that saying is that it reminds us that if one could get a Ph.D. in Corporatism, GoonFleet would be the first in line to have one. GoonFleet's loyalists amount to nothing more than abhorrent, lazy knuckle-draggers riding on the back of a social fungus attacking the body politic. In fact, I have said that to GoonFleet on many occasions and I will keep on saying it until it stops trying to make things worse. I went puce with rage when I first heard GoonFleet say that a plausible excuse is a satisfactory substitute for performance. There are different ways of reconciling oneself to this unpleasant, yet unmistakably hectoring, fact. Some people see nothing at all, or rather, want to see nothing. Others are perfectly well aware of the antihumanist consequences which this plague must and will some day induce, but only shrug their shoulders, convinced that nothing can be done, so the only thing to do is to leave things alone. GoonFleet may advocate measures that others criticize for being excessively snooty right after it reads this letter. Let it. Within a short period of time, I, not being one of the many shabby reprobates of this world, will argue about GoonFleet's cajoleries. For all intents and purposes, I truly hope you're not being misled by the "new GoonFleet". Only its methods and tactics have changed. GoonFleet's goal is still the same: to waste hours and hours in fruitless conferences and meetings. That's why I'm telling you that GoonFleet must sense its own irremediable inferiority. That's why it is so desperate to break up society's solidarity and cohesiveness; it's the only way for it to distinguish themselves from the herd. It would be a lot nicer, however, if GoonFleet also realized that its maudlin preoccupation with wowserism, usually sicklied over with such nonsense words as "consubstantiationist", would make sense if a person's honor were determined strictly by his or her ability to sugarcoat the past and dispense false optimism for the future. As that's not the case, we can conclude only that I find that some of its choices of words in its campaigns would not have been mine. For example, I would have substituted "discourteous" for "transubstantiatively" and "anti-democratic" for "pathologicohistological." How dare GoonFleet operate on a criminal -- as opposed to a civil disobedience -- basis? GoonFleet's intimates actually believe the bunkum they're always mouthing. That's because these kinds of condescending racketeers are idealistic, have no sense of history or human nature, and they think that what they're doing will somehow improve the world some day. In reality, of course, after hearing about GoonFleet's selfish attempts to till the nefarious side of the alarmism garden, I was saddened. I was saddened that it has lowered itself to this level. Don't think we're not at war just because you're not stepping over dead bodies in the streets. We're at war with GoonFleet's self-serving policies. We're at war with its insecure plans for the future. And we're at war with its pathological warnings. As in any war, we ought to be aware of the fact that GoonFleet has been doing "in-depth research" (whatever it thinks that means) to prove that it has answers to everything. I should mention that I've been doing some research of my own. So far, I've "discovered" that GoonFleet occasionally shows what appears to be warmth, joy, love, or compassion. You should realize, however, that these positive expressions are more feigned than experienced and invariably serve an ulterior motive, such as to promote the total destruction of individuality in favor of an all-powerful group.
Dafuzz Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:04:00 - [98] Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Originally by: The Mittani calm down What you witness here is a classical example of the "one-liner, diffusion flame-post". The basic method involves block-quoting someone and replying with non-direct critisism. Designed to be impossible to respond to, by default, its very nature is an affront to communication. A more well-known version of this type of response is the: "NO YOU SHUT UP"-infinite loop. @The Mittani, try coming up with actual critisism before wasting everyones time by posting useless one-liner replies please. stop posting calm down -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:07:00 - [99] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Originally by: The Mittani calm down What you witness here is a classical example of the "one-liner, diffusion flame-post". The basic method involves block-quoting someone and replying with non-direct critisism. Designed to be impossible to respond to, by default, its very nature is an affront to communication. A more well-known version of this type of response is the: "NO YOU SHUT UP"-infinite loop. @The Mittani, try coming up with actual critisism before wasting everyones time by posting useless one-liner replies please.
Natas Dog GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:08:00 - [100] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr So to summarize: In relation to these forums, Goonswarm are bad because they have little or no control over what their members say or do in their name. Remember, what YOU do, reflects back on your friends. If you're a turd, then in the eyes of the rest of us, so are they! tl;dr CAOD was ruined long before the restrictions on goons posting here were lifted. At least now, a large number of people who took themselves entirely too seriously have come around or stopped posting altogether. I enjoy the new CAOD, it's not nearly the cesspool of bitterness and spite it was a year ago. _______________________________________________________________ He who laughs last is usually the one the joke was about.
Schani Kratnorr Internal Revenue Service	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:13:00 - [101] Originally by: The Mittani stop posting If I do that, then I would betray the very principles of communication would I not? Your "stop posting" order does not apply to me. You have provided no reason, or expressed the background of your desire to avoid having to read more of my keyboard-gibberish. Your failure to involve yourself in a discussion is a sign of a very immature approach. Maintaining the illusion that you are somehow entitled to demand that people stop posting, is pointless. Your best approach towards myself, would be to ignore me, and not involve yourself in a discussion that you cannot "win". I will not stop posting, simply because you say so. I will stop posting then I have nothing more to say. You can choose to ignore me, but you cannot involve yourself, THEN decide it's not worth the effort and attempt to silence your critics by issuing demands. If you have nothing to say that does not require more than one line of text, then please dont post. Keep it inside yourself, let it evolve into a sentance. Then and only then, should you attempt to put your mind on paper.
Dagam GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:18:00 - [102] CAOD was ruined when BoB stopped being the center of attention imho tbqh.
Natas Dog GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:19:00 - [103] Is Mittani trolling Schani, or is Schani a Goon alt trolling Mittani? You be the judge! _______________________________________________________________ He who laughs last is usually the one the joke was about.
Phelan Driscoll GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:19:00 - [104] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Originally by: The Mittani stop posting If I do that, then I would betray the very principles of communication would I not? That would be the point. Another good option for you might be suicide. ______________________________________ fire 59 > \o/ , nerdswarm is here PriestWithKnives > sorry we took so long we were talking to our dads fire 59 > ah cool fire 59 > di
Schani Kratnorr Internal Revenue Service	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:22:00 - [105] Originally by: Natas Dog CAOD was ruined long before the restrictions on goons posting here were lifted. At least now, a large number of people who took themselves entirely too seriously have come around or stopped posting altogether. I enjoy the new CAOD, it's not nearly the cesspool of bitterness and spite it was a year ago. That depends on the definition of "ruined" I guess. I agree that CAOD was and still is a "rowdy place", and I'd like it to stay that way. Having said that, I DO beleive that Goonswarm in particular have a major part in making CAOD unreadable. If you take a look at the responses to my posts above, you will notice several one-liners and an "emoticon". Now I agree that technically, these posts dont break any "rules", but they do not bring anything relevant to the table either, and thus constitute "noise". It is precisely this "noise" that has made CAOD less usefull than it has ever been. I dont care if people REALLY lay into eachother. You should see some of the old Stain vs. Curse threads. I swear people actually died reading them my pont is this: In EVE quantity wins battles. On CAOD it makes you look silly and makes it difficult for the rest of us to follow your exploits and adventures.
WowZilla The Leeroy Jenkins Project	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:29:00 - [106] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Originally by: The Mittani stop posting If I do that, then I would betray the very principles of communication would I not? Your "stop posting" order does not apply to me. You have provided no reason, or expressed the background of your desire to avoid having to read more of my keyboard-gibberish. Your failure to involve yourself in a discussion is a sign of a very immature approach. Maintaining the illusion that you are somehow entitled to demand that people stop posting, is pointless. Your best approach towards myself, would be to ignore me, and not involve yourself in a discussion that you cannot "win". I will not stop posting, simply because you say so. I will stop posting then I have nothing more to say. You can choose to ignore me, but you cannot involve yourself, THEN decide it's not worth the effort and attempt to silence your critics by issuing demands. If you have nothing to say that does not require more than one line of text, then please dont post. Keep it inside yourself, let it evolve into a sentance. Then and only then, should you attempt to put your mind on paper. Someone needs a hug. Wanna cyber? ____________________ I am the worst poster
Schani Kratnorr Internal Revenue Service	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:29:00 - [107] Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 29/10/2007 15:30:06 Originally by: Dagam CAOD was ruined when BoB stopped being the center of attention imho tbqh. Naaahhh, it's the standard evolution of any game that has attached forums. Back in the "old days" we had less than 5000 players, now there are a few more, that creates more posts, which in turn makes it difficult to use forums for anything useful... Originally by: Natas Dog Is Mittani trolling Schani, or is Schani a Goon alt trolling Mittani? You be the judge! 1. If Mittani is trolling me, then I am correct in my asumptions about Goonswarm. 2. If I am an alt, it doesn't matter (but in fact proves my pont as well...) Originally by: Phelan Driscoll Another good option for you might be suicide. That would certainly solve the problem youre having coming up with clever responses to my opinions would it not?
Vile rat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:31:00 - [108] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr In EVE quantity wins battles. On CAOD it makes you look silly and makes it difficult for the rest of us to follow your exploits and adventures. Oh well let me help Exploits and adventures!
fishblades GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:32:00 - [109] "you "sure" "do" "use" "a lot" of "quote"s"
James Duar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:32:00 - [110] The only thing that changed in CAOD when Goonswarm resumed posting was that the level of **-sucking was no longer tacitly accepted with a stiff-upper lip and haughty discussion around the engorged*s of respective alliances finally was called for being the semen-drenched ****** that it is.
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:35:00 - [111] imma seriouspost here to be meta as ** The issue with 'traditional' dialogue on CAOD is that it's just pretentious crap like what Molle or DBP would post. People acting INTERNET SPACE TYRANTS without a shred of irony and then getting their rocks off as sycophants lined up to suck them off on the forums. Or dabbling in 'real world' outrage over things and trying to take it out ingame, such as this idiot and his Vietnam meltdown and Avon lining up dutifully to wave the bloody flag. You can't even parody this. I spent a long time deliberately imitating the drivel the BoB posters would spew, and the pubbies lapped it up as if I was preaching the gospel, rather than taking the on the whole institution. "Posting in a Mittani thread", what the christ... screw that. So welcome to an era of total posting. You don't 'get' fakeposting. You probably won't 'get' **posting, either.
Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:35:00 - [112] Originally by: Phelan Driscoll Originally by: Rbel Ion Edited by: Rbel Ion on 29/10/2007 14:31:21 ^^^ nps Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: Rbel Ion No not really. I just wanted to rub home that you're a laughing stock on somethingawful. everything is the laughing stock of somethingawful, which is kind of the point No it isn't. Morality Squad member spotted. hahahaha this
Elohe GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:36:00 - [113] Originally by: Roger Albany The problem for Goons is that they now themsleves are one of the old buys clubs. The goons that mostly raided the ISS constellations in Estoteria were not noobs in tech 1 ships - they were experienced players all in expensive tech 2 HAC's and recons. So I think that Goons at some point will have problems recruiting new members, because somehow I do not see the "old" goon players setting up structures that help new players over the entry barriers. For me it is just a matter of time before we see GOON 2.0 - a new corp that that hates goons and all the other "old boys" just the same and which will be able to recruit the noobs much easier. And lets face it - we need new players in EVE - bot the game and the alliances needs more players all the time to replace older players moving on to other games. LOOK AT THE FUKKEN PUBBIE
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:36:00 - [114] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Originally by: The Mittani stop posting If I do that, then I would betray the very principles of communication would I not? Your "stop posting" order does not apply to me. You have provided no reason, or expressed the background of your desire to avoid having to read more of my keyboard-gibberish. Your failure to involve yourself in a discussion is a sign of a very immature approach. Maintaining the illusion that you are somehow entitled to demand that people stop posting, is pointless. Your best approach towards myself, would be to ignore me, and not involve yourself in a discussion that you cannot "win". I will not stop posting, simply because you say so. I will stop posting then I have nothing more to say. You can choose to ignore me, but you cannot involve yourself, THEN decide it's not worth the effort and attempt to silence your critics by issuing demands. If you have nothing to say that does not require more than one line of text, then please dont post. Keep it inside yourself, let it evolve into a sentance. Then and only then, should you attempt to put your mind on paper. quoting some words i didn't even read
Elohe GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:37:00 - [115] Edited by: Elohe on 29/10/2007 15:37:11
WowZilla The Leeroy Jenkins Project	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:39:00 - [116] Posting in a Mittani thread ____________________ I am the worst poster
xeom Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:43:00 - [117] This thread is now about work safe pron. Post some pics if your down --- *signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected]) -Videos- Viciously Delicious
Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:46:00 - [118] Edited by: Nlewis on 29/10/2007 15:45:56 there's still an ass hole, not worksafe
xeom Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:48:00 - [119] Originally by: Nlewis Edited by: Nlewis on 29/10/2007 15:45:56 there's still an ass hole, not worksafe He's sucking his lips because its so sour :colbert: --- *signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected]) -Videos- Viciously Delicious
Schani Kratnorr Internal Revenue Service	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:51:00 - [120] Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 29/10/2007 15:51:59 Originally by: Vile rat Oh well let me help Exploits and adventures! Maps are all well and good, but it's the motives behind that make them meaningful. Goonswarm + allies VS. BoB + allies is as close to an "EVE world war" as we are likely to come given current game mechanics. With that in mind, I was kind of expecting a bit more propaganda from both sides. Sadly, the whole out of game controversy, paranoia acusations and counter-acusations put an effective stop to that... Now you have a chance to get back on track and let everyone else know whats going on from your perspective. What I am asking, is that you simply make an effort, as a group, to stop your own members from ruining that. The fact that you are still here following the whole "they cheat"-debacle, must mean that you have comitted to continue to play the game. So for better or for worse, awknowledge that Goonswarm, as a group, CAN do something to change how they are perceived by outsiders. Failure to do so, will only amplify preconceptions and alienate you further. Originally by: fishblades "you "sure" "do" "use" "a lot" of "quote"s" Yes. English is not my native language, so I have trouble knowing when to hold back on all those pretty signs and figures. When all else fails, make fun of your opponents spelling, grammer, etc... Originally by: The Mittani imma seriouspost here to be meta as ** The issue with 'traditional' dialogue on CAOD is that it's just pretentious crap like what Molle or DBP would post. People acting INTERNET SPACE TYRANTS without a shred of irony and then getting their rocks off as sycophants lined up to suck them off on the forums. Or dabbling in 'real world' outrage over things and trying to take it out ingame, such as this idiot and his Vietnam meltdown and Avon lining up dutifully to wave the bloody flag. You can't even parody this. I spent a long time deliberately imitating the drivel the BoB posters would spew, and the pubbies lapped it up as if I was preaching the gospel, rather than taking the on the whole institution. "Posting in a Mittani thread", what the christ... screw that. So welcome to an era of total posting. You don't 'get' fakeposting. You probably won't 'get' posting, either. I see. But in my experience, stooping to the level of your opponent rarely accomplishes anything. You have your style, I can respect that. We can agree to disagree on this matter. I seriously dont see the benefit to the EVE community in persuing short, non-sensical "*posts" as you put it. I am NOT saying we should all put on robes and go into the woods to pretend-roleplay or anything, I am saying that: Because we're no longer 5000 customers using this forum, but rather 50.000, we could benefit from a different approach to communication*.

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