Originally by: Natas Dog

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I don't think you 'get' Goons

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Originally by: Grimpak

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posting in an Bob/BoB pet alt thread.

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The day after BoB collapses, so will also Goonswarm, bereft of their sole reason of being

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Originally by: Illaria

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text

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Originally by: Relaria Hossin

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to understand the goon, you must become the goon

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Originally by: Illaria

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...and in general Goons don't make for very pleasant company. This doesn't make them unique; they are like countless of unknown low sec corps, full of immature people, that romanticize their social ineptitude, as being pirates and hardcore PvP'ers. The Goons are just bigger.

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Originally by: Illaria

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EVE is not overly complicated. Within two months you basically know 95% of all things there are to know about this game

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Originally by: Illaria

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If the community wants to stop the Goon blob, they need to come down from their high horse. The Goons can blob because they have the pilots. Just sayin...

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Originally by: Qual

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OK, your argument is self defeating.

The avarage EVE player stays in the game for 7 months. The Goon/BoB conflict has gone on for way longer than that. ALas Goons are by all means old boys by now.

So the fact that it took so long for them to actually be able to hold and conquor 0.0 space kinda only reinforeces the notion that n00bs really cant survive in 0.0, and not that n00bs can take 0.0 easily...

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Originally by: WoHen Nankan

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actually went and read your other thread.

if you hate 0.0 warfare so much why stay?

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Originally by: WowZilla

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Edited by: WowZilla on 29/10/2007 12:33:42

Originally by: Illaria

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Goons are changing the community landscape of Eve from that stuffy officers club into something better. I applaud them for that, and they will burn me for it too. Now how cool is that?

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PLEASE TELL ME MORE

Originally by: WowZilla

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The community doesnt want to stop them. A large section 'get' goons, more are learning to 'get' goons. Those who dont 'get' goons, like you, fail.

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Originally by: WowZilla

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Goons are changing the community landscape of Eve from that stuffy officers club into something better. I applaud them for that, and they will burn me for it too. Now how cool is that?

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Originally by: Qual

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Originally by: WowZilla

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The community doesnt want to stop them. A large section 'get' goons, more are learning to 'get' goons. Those who dont 'get' goons, like you, fail.

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It much depends on how you define "the community" though. If its the players playing the game, im sure you are wrong. If "the community" are the loud mouths of the forums, im sure you could have a point.

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Originally by: WowZilla

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They just present the image of being r-tards, cos they know it really winds up guys like you.

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Originally by: WowZilla

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Originally by: Illaria

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EVE is not overly complicated. Within two months you basically know 95% of all things there are to know about this game

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WHAT? Have you EVER undocked from the n00b station you spawned in?

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Originally by: Illaria

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What?

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Originally by: Nlewis

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I honestly think that a lot of Goons will quit after the fall of bob because what else is there to do. we just beat the game

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Originally by: Khorian

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Originally by: WowZilla

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Goons are changing the community landscape of Eve from that stuffy officers club into something better. I applaud them for that, and they will burn me for it too. Now how cool is that?

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The funny thing is that the SA community as a whole would probably laugh at the EvE Goons for being nerds in a internet spaceships game. Also, while I agree that E-Honor is a little bit over the top, respect is very important in MMOs. While most alliances do what they do to gain recognition by the community, goons just want to play wild sow. If they ever become a major player on their own I doubt it will be for the better of EvE tbh.

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Originally by: Scavok

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Most of the SA community also laughs at anime nerds, druggies, and gun nuts, but there are popular forums dedicated to each of those on SA. So what's your point again?

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Originally by: Vile rat

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Originally by: Roger Albany

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The problem for Goons is that they now themsleves are one of the old buys clubs. The goons that mostly raided the ISS constellations in Estoteria were not noobs in tech 1 ships - they were experienced players all in expensive tech 2 HAC's and recons.

So I think that Goons at some point will have problems recruiting new members, because somehow I do not see the "old" goon players setting up structures that help new players over the entry barriers.

For me it is just a matter of time before we see GOON 2.0 - a new corp that that hates goons and all the other "old boys" just the same and which will be able to recruit the noobs much easier. And lets face it - we need new players in EVE - bot the game and the alliances needs more players all the time to replace older players moving on to other games.

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laughin at dis.

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Originally by: Scavok

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Edited by: Scavok on 29/10/2007 13:07:33

Originally by: Khorian

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Originally by: WowZilla

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Goons are changing the community landscape of Eve from that stuffy officers club into something better. I applaud them for that, and they will burn me for it too. Now how cool is that?

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The funny thing is that the SA community as a whole would probably laugh at the EvE Goons for being nerds in a internet spaceships game. Also, while I agree that E-Honor is a little bit over the top, respect is very important in MMOs. While most alliances do what they do to gain recognition by the community, goons just want to play wild sow. If they ever become a major player on their own I doubt it will be for the better of EvE tbh.

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Most of the SA community also laughs at anime nerds, druggies, and gun nuts, but there are popular forums dedicated to each of those on SA. So what's your point again?

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Originally by: Roger Albany

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The problem for Goons is that they now themsleves are one of the old buys clubs. The goons that mostly raided the ISS constellations in Estoteria were not noobs in tech 1 ships - they were experienced players all in expensive tech 2 HAC's and recons.

So I think that Goons at some point will have problems recruiting new members, because somehow I do not see the "old" goon players setting up structures that help new players over the entry barriers.

For me it is just a matter of time before we see GOON 2.0 - a new corp that that hates goons and all the other "old boys" just the same and which will be able to recruit the noobs much easier. And lets face it - we need new players in EVE - bot the game and the alliances needs more players all the time to replace older players moving on to other games.

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Originally by: Cvuos

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We've definitely changed. From Dec 1st Goonswarm will look very different. We are setting up fleet squadrons with dedicated roles and a participation incentive system (killpoints, dotpoints, reimbursement etc) to cull freeloaders. The most controversial change is probably the 15 mill SP minimum to join Goonfleet. This isn't because we don't appreciate newbies anymore, we simply don't need them. The sub-fleet corps will have the opportunity to recruit based on their own standards but in turn they will have common goals which they have to achieve in order to remain in the alliance.

We will still keep our good spirits and cameraderie, but the force projection on the battlefield will be something entirely different.

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Originally by: Illaria

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Edited by: Illaria on 29/10/2007 11:20:51

Goons see themselves, as well as Red Alliance, as victims of the EVE community. Shunned, harassed, hunted to the brink of extinction, they don't feel like paying respect to enemies, that have never granted it themselves.

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But taking a look at the EVE community is also worthwhile: EVE is a game with huge barriers to entry. It has a very unfriendly newbie experience, and due to the "real time skill system" an almost impossible hurdle to catch up for new players.

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EVE is not overly complicated. Within two months you basically know 95% of all things there are to know about this game

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yet there's the overwhelming attitude of the "old community" that newbies shouldn't be in 0.0.

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You should earn the right of being in 0.0 by first spending months in Empire doing mind numbing mission running, or pointless low sec ganking before you are experienced enough to set a foot in 0.0. This is bull**** and the Goons called the community on it, and the old boys decided to punish the newbies for their insolence.

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Originally by: Tevlent

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Crap, I only have 1mil SP... I guess that means I'm out

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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EVE is not overly complicated. Within two months you basically know 95% of all things there are to know about this game

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No in two months of being brand new to the game you won't even know all the basics. Unless someone has been actively teaching you.

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Originally by: Cvuos

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Originally by: Tevlent

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Crap, I only have 1mil SP... I guess that means I'm out

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Let's keep the policy discussions to our own forums m'kay?


Anyone already in Goonswarm will remain there of course.

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Originally by: Cvuos

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We've definitely changed. From Dec 1st Goonswarm will look very different. We are setting up fleet squadrons with dedicated roles and a participation incentive system (killpoints, dotpoints, reimbursement etc) to cull freeloaders. The most controversial change is probably the 15 mill SP minimum to join Goonfleet. This isn't because we don't appreciate newbies anymore, we simply don't need them. The sub-fleet corps will have the opportunity to recruit based on their own standards but in turn they will have common goals which they have to achieve in order to remain in the alliance.

We will still keep our good spirits and cameraderie, but the force projection on the battlefield will be something entirely different.

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Originally by: Nlewis

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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EVE is not overly complicated. Within two months you basically know 95% of all things there are to know about this game

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No in two months of being brand new to the game you won't even know all the basics. Unless someone has been actively teaching you.

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this is where goons come in

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Umm yeah so. Lot's of alliances or corps within alliances also recruit and teach newbies.

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Originally by: Cringeley

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Umm yeah so. Lot's of alliances or corps within alliances also recruit and teach newbies.

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No they don't.

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Originally by: Khorian

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Originally by: WowZilla

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Goons are changing the community landscape of Eve from that stuffy officers club into something better. I applaud them for that, and they will burn me for it too. Now how cool is that?

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The funny thing is that the SA community as a whole would probably laugh at the EvE Goons for being nerds in a internet spaceships game. Also, while I agree that E-Honor is a little bit over the top, respect is very important in MMOs. While most alliances do what they do to gain recognition by the community, goons just want to play wild sow. If they ever become a major player on their own I doubt it will be for the better of EvE tbh.

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Umm yeah so. Lot's of alliances or corps within alliances also recruit and teach newbies.

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Originally by: Cringeley

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Umm yeah so. Lot's of alliances or corps within alliances also recruit and teach newbies.

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No they don't.

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Edited by: Rbel Ion on 29/10/2007 13:42:46

Originally by: Cringeley

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Umm yeah so. Lot's of alliances or corps within alliances also recruit and teach newbies.

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No they don't.

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Yeah, they do. It isn't difficult at all to get into 90% of territory holding alliances (certainly the large ones) with a few months old character if you can somehow show you've an interest in pvp and learning to pvp.

Just posting a few piracy attempt killmails to a public killboard, and a nicely written eve mail is normally enough.

Most non a**hole corps will offer plenty of advice on fittings and general play tips in corp chat and on corp forums.

There's also tons of corps who specifically cater, recruit or go out their way to teach newbies.

Have you ever actually been in alliance besides Goonswarm?

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Edited by: Rbel Ion on 29/10/2007 13:42:46

Originally by: Cringeley

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Umm yeah so. Lot's of alliances or corps within alliances also recruit and teach newbies.

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No they don't.

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Yeah, they do. It isn't difficult at all to get into 90% of territory holding alliances (certainly the large ones) with a few months old character if you can somehow show you've an interest in pvp and learning to pvp.

Just posting a few piracy attempt killmails to a public killboard, and a nicely written eve mail is normally enough.

Most non a**hole corps will offer plenty of advice on fittings and general play tips in corp chat and on corp forums.

There's also tons of corps who specifically cater, recruit or go out their way to teach newbies.

Have you ever actually been in alliance besides Goonswarm?

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Originally by: Vile rat

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Edited by: Rbel Ion on 29/10/2007 13:42:46

Originally by: Cringeley

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Umm yeah so. Lot's of alliances or corps within alliances also recruit and teach newbies.

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No they don't.

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Yeah, they do. It isn't difficult at all to get into 90% of territory holding alliances (certainly the large ones) with a few months old character if you can somehow show you've an interest in pvp and learning to pvp.

Just posting a few piracy attempt killmails to a public killboard, and a nicely written eve mail is normally enough.

Most non a**hole corps will offer plenty of advice on fittings and general play tips in corp chat and on corp forums.

There's also tons of corps who specifically cater, recruit or go out their way to teach newbies.

Have you ever actually been in alliance besides Goonswarm?

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Have you ever been in an alliance at all? How about a corp? Hard to tell when you are not showing your corp/alliance.

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Originally by: Cvuos

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m'kay?

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Originally by: Natas Dog

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He's proving that he's a newbie and doesn't know what the **** when it comes to forum settings, duh.

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Originally by: Tevlent

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Edited by: Tevlent on 29/10/2007 13:48:41

Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Edited by: Rbel Ion on 29/10/2007 13:42:46

Originally by: Cringeley

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Umm yeah so. Lot's of alliances or corps within alliances also recruit and teach newbies.

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No they don't.

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Yeah, they do. It isn't difficult at all to get into 90% of territory holding alliances (certainly the large ones) with a few months old character if you can somehow show you've an interest in pvp and learning to pvp.

Just posting a few piracy attempt killmails to a public killboard, and a nicely written eve mail is normally enough.

Most non a**hole corps will offer plenty of advice on fittings and general play tips in corp chat and on corp forums.

There's also tons of corps who specifically cater, recruit or go out their way to teach newbies.

Have you ever actually been in alliance besides Goonswarm?

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Ummm a few piracy killmails? I dont think you understand the term "noob". The "noobs" we recruit dont know what the ****. They dont even know how to read the star map, let alone able to get some "piracy kills". The people we rectriut are literally days old, just getting into the game. Give me a name of 5 corps who will actively recruit people like that en mass.

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Originally by: Vile rat

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I actually remember my first day in the game. I remember I was in S-U down in Syndicate in a Punisher being told how to mine crokite and run from rats as they spawned (3 punishers later that is).

I remember being told to form up on the gate because some guys in HAC's were on the way and I remember they were part of Peoples front of judea (I think they were in Phoenix alliance at the time) and when they jumped in we had 50 or so people hanging out at the gate but we only got one of them.

I remember warp scrambling the gate and being yelled at by somebody but having fun. Then one of our own guys blew me up but I got another free frigate and went back to mining crokite. I miss those days :(

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Originally by: Vile rat

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Have you ever been in an alliance at all? How about a corp? Hard to tell when you are not showing your corp/alliance.

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Calm down, I didn't want to break your self important circle jerk about how totally awesome and unique Goonswarm is with newbies.


Most people are pretty happy to play the game for a weeks without being in a corp or alliance FYI (if they even know what corps and alliances are). The fact GS recruits people from SA who have already been informed of the basic premise of EVE and told tales of alliance warfare and want to jump straight into that is irrelevent.

Goonswarm might be the only alliance that goes out of it's way to have so much infrastructure to teach newbies (for it's own ends...), but if you ever actually join a semi-decent corp & alliance outside of Goonswarm you will find the majority of people playing the game love helping new players and are all too willing to provide advice. Most alliances are not impermeable for newbies.

The point is: the self-aggrandizing propaganda you guys spew about some bizzare attitude that apparantly the majority of people who play this space interner video game have some kind of conspiracy hatred of newbies and want to stop them playing the game is comedy.

There are huge entire alliances out there full of new players. IAC, FREGE, BRUCE, EVE-U, all sorts of drone region alliances (who hilariously are apparantly you're next target after BoB, way to go helping the newbs :D), all sorts of small northern nap monkey alliances.


So in summary: Yes Goonswarm for their own purposes are very good at teaching people from their $10 forum posting community how to play eve. But EVE as a whole is full of newbie friendly or composed entities, often occupying 0.0 space. And like I said, it is not diffucult at all, if you've been playing for even a little while to get into seasoned, mid-tier alliances.

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Originally by: Natas Dog

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The sad part is, once those days are gone you can't get them back. Sure you can reroll another newbie toon, but you'll won't be fitting artillery blasters on your rifters or fitting out ratting Lavens. Ok, maybe the Laven part still works.

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Originally by: Khorian

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Originally by: WowZilla

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Goons are changing the community landscape of Eve from that stuffy officers club into something better. I applaud them for that, and they will burn me for it too. Now how cool is that?

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The funny thing is that the SA community as a whole would probably laugh at the EvE Goons for being nerds in a internet spaceships game. Also, while I agree that E-Honor is a little bit over the top, respect is very important in MMOs. While most alliances do what they do to gain recognition by the community, goons just want to play wild sow. If they ever become a major player on their own I doubt it will be for the better of EvE tbh.

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Originally by: Vile rat

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Have you ever been in an alliance at all? How about a corp? Hard to tell when you are not showing your corp/alliance.

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No I'm a complete newb, well spotted. if only GS would recruit me and teach me the joys of eve :sigh:

*self mastabatory story about GS newbies tackling dreads goes here*

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Originally by: Vile rat

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Originally by: Vile rat

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Have you ever been in an alliance at all? How about a corp? Hard to tell when you are not showing your corp/alliance.

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No I'm a complete newb, well spotted. if only GS would recruit me and teach me the joys of eve :sigh:

*self mastabatory story about GS newbies tackling dreads goes here*

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Well friend you sorta have to have your corp/alliance checked to post in this forum.

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Originally by: Natas Dog

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Man, you really don't 'get' goons.

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Originally by: Roger Albany

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The problem for Goons is that they now themsleves are one of the old buys clubs. The goons that mostly raided the ISS constellations in Estoteria were not noobs in tech 1 ships - they were experienced players all in expensive tech 2 HAC's and recons.

So I think that Goons at some point will have problems recruiting new members, because somehow I do not see the "old" goon players setting up structures that help new players over the entry barriers.

For me it is just a matter of time before we see GOON 2.0 - a new corp that that hates goons and all the other "old boys" just the same and which will be able to recruit the noobs much easier. And lets face it - we need new players in EVE - bot the game and the alliances needs more players all the time to replace older players moving on to other games.

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Originally by: Natas Dog

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Man, you really don't 'get' goons.

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Calm down, I didn't want to break your self important circle jerk about how totally awesome and unique Goonswarm is with newbies.


Most people are pretty happy to play the game for a weeks without being in a corp or alliance FYI (if they even know what corps and alliances are). The fact GS recruits people from SA who have already been informed of the basic premise of EVE and told tales of alliance warfare and want to jump straight into that is irrelevent.

Goonswarm might be the only alliance that goes out of it's way to have so much infrastructure to teach newbies (for it's own ends...), but if you ever actually join a semi-decent corp & alliance outside of Goonswarm you will find the majority of people playing the game love helping new players and are all too willing to provide advice. Most alliances are not impermeable for newbies.

The point is: the self-aggrandizing propaganda you guys spew about some bizzare attitude that apparantly the majority of people who play this space interner video game have some kind of conspiracy hatred of newbies and want to stop them playing the game is comedy.

There are huge entire alliances out there full of new players. IAC, FREGE, BRUCE, EVE-U, all sorts of drone region alliances (who hilariously are apparantly you're next target after BoB, way to go helping the newbs :D), all sorts of small northern nap monkey alliances.


So in summary: Yes Goonswarm for their own purposes are very good at teaching people from their $10 forum posting community how to play eve. But EVE as a whole is full of newbie friendly or composed entities, often occupying 0.0 space. And like I said, it is not diffucult at all, if you've been playing for even a little while to get into seasoned, mid-tier alliances.

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Edited by: The Mittani on 29/10/2007 14:09:46
^^^^ you read YCS

get out

(of life)

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Originally by: Tevlent

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Originally by: Natas Dog

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Man, you really don't 'get' goons.

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Sure I do. I read the SA forums making fun of Goonswarm all the time in YCS.

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Edited by: The Mittani on 29/10/2007 14:09:46
^^^^ you read YCS

get out

(of life)

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Go spend more hours running your eve-wide internet spying network and avoiding your wife hhahahahaha

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Originally by: Natas Dog

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I don't think you 'get' the quote feature

Edit: Booya

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Originally by: Khorian

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Originally by: WowZilla

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Goons are changing the community landscape of Eve from that stuffy officers club into something better. I applaud them for that, and they will burn me for it too. Now how cool is that?

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The funny thing is that the SA community as a whole would probably laugh at the EvE Goons for being nerds in a internet spaceships game. Also, while I agree that E-Honor is a little bit over the top, respect is very important in MMOs. While most alliances do what they do to gain recognition by the community, goons just want to play wild sow. If they ever become a major player on their own I doubt it will be for the better of EvE tbh.

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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I read the SA forums making fun of Goonswarm all the time in YCS.

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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No not really. I just wanted to rub home that you're a laughing stock on somethingawful.

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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No not really. I just wanted to rub home that you're a laughing stock on somethingawful.

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Originally by: Maxim Powers

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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No not really. I just wanted to rub home that you're a laughing stock on somethingawful.

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We're a laughing stock on www.goonfleet.com

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Originally by: Maxim Powers

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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No not really. I just wanted to rub home that you're a laughing stock on somethingawful.

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We're a laughing stock on www.goonfleet.com

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its you

you're the laughtingstock

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Yeah, they do. It isn't difficult at all to get into 90% of territory holding alliances (certainly the large ones) with a few months old character if you can somehow show you've an interest in pvp and learning to pvp.

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Originally by: Maxim Powers

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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No not really. I just wanted to rub home that you're a laughing stock on somethingawful.

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We're a laughing stock on www.goonfleet.com

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its you

you're the laughtingstock

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Edited by: Rbel Ion on 29/10/2007 14:25:17

I don't think you 'get' somethingawful. Can Mawg please read out another one of the cringe worthy speeches you write mittani, then try and sue somethingawful again when they make fun of it. thx.

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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No not really. I just wanted to rub home that you're a laughing stock on somethingawful.

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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No not really. I just wanted to rub home that you're a laughing stock on somethingawful.

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Originally by: Maxim Powers

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I'm a few months old right now, are you saying I should still be running around in Empire thinking of looking for an alliance instead of, well, doing all kinds of things out in 0.0? Thanks for the tip.

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Edited by: Rbel Ion on 29/10/2007 14:29:26

Originally by: Maxim Powers

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I'm a few months old right now, are you saying I should still be running around in Empire thinking of looking for an alliance instead of, well, doing all kinds of things out in 0.0? Thanks for the tip.

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Yeah that is exactly what I'm saying. You are brilliant.

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Originally by: Lee Bian

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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No not really. I just wanted to rub home that you're a laughing stock on somethingawful.

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everything is the laughing stock of somethingawful, which is kind of the point

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Originally by: WowZilla

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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No not really. I just wanted to rub home that you're a laughing stock on somethingawful.

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Goons wont care.
But for some reason you do?

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Originally by: Natas Dog

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The problem for Goons is that they now themsleves are one of the old buys clubs. The goons that mostly raided the ISS constellations in Estoteria were not noobs in tech 1 ships - they were experienced players all in expensive tech 2 HAC's and recons.

So I think that Goons at some point will have problems recruiting new members, because somehow I do not see the "old" goon players setting up structures that help new players over the entry barriers.

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Originally by: fishblades

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First off, the propaganda machine keeps rolling.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lIVM-JMr-cg

High quality.
http://senduit.com/ac3dc9

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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr

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Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 29/10/2007 14:50:24
Read your post Illaria, and thought I'd throw in my two cents.

I can see how you reach some of your conclusions, and I agree with some of them. Where I differ in opinion (not that is matters one bit), is when it comes to the "nature of Goons" and similar groups.

I see Goons, and Bob and all the other 1000+ strong alliances as a natural progression of what takes place in game worlds. Where Goons differ from many of the others, is in their approach to communication.
With no unified policy on who can say what on behalf of their friends, Goonswarm has managed to, well, swarm the forums...

Part of the attraction of this forum area, was that people conducted themselves in an orderly fashion. They took the time to talk internally, decide how to respond, and then agree what their spokesperson should post on their behalf.

This approach made it easy for outsiders to follow the discussion, and avoided having to dig through hundreds of one-liner posts like "OMG I am first". The method had it's flaws though. You'd still have ALT-posters, trolls and outsiders stirring up things, but they are also present with the current "system".

My point is this:
CAOD has been utterly ruined by sheer volume of posts. If for no other reason, than this, I think we would all be better off if everyone would SHUT UP!

Step two would require all organisations and alliances to agree to keep their members from posting if they dont know how.

With Goonswarm, the sheer volume of posters make it a job in itself to get an impression of what they are about as a group. Some Goonswarm posters resort to name-calling, references to sexual preferences, slander and run-of-the-mill flames. Others are more careful when wording sharing their opinions, but with all the "noise", it's hard to notice anything clever coming from them (as a group).

I am not saying BoB are any better, but if you were somehow able to count the number of posts in here, and sort them by alliance/corp, I think you'd get the picture...

So to summarize:
In relation to these forums, Goonswarm are bad because they have little or no control over what their members say or do in their name. Remember, what YOU do, reflects back on your friends. If you're a turd, then in the eyes of the rest of us, so are they!

In relation to the game, we need to realize that Goonswarm, BoB and everyone else are arbitrary structures in an imaginary world of make-belief. Nothing you say or do REALLY matters. Nothing you "claim" or "loose" ever really existed, exept in your mind.

Loosing the respect of your opponents is as bad as loosing the respect of your team. Remember that, when and if you "win"...

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Originally by: Calimor

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Edited by: Calimor on 29/10/2007 12:04:26
Hahahaha
I posted the other day on the general forums that I don't believe, if we win the war, the RSF would rule EVE for more than 2-3 years because of the way this game is dynamic.

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Originally by: Ostr0mir

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Originally by: Calimor

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Edited by: Calimor on 29/10/2007 12:04:26
Hahahaha
I posted the other day on the general forums that I don't believe, if we win the war, the RSF would rule EVE for more than 2-3 years because of the way this game is dynamic.

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You wish

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Originally by: Illaria

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Now that they are strong, they're eager to pay back for all the slights suffered when they were small and weak.

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Originally by: The Mittani

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calm down

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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr

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Originally by: The Mittani

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calm down

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What you witness here is a classical example of the "one-liner, diffusion flame-post".

The basic method involves block-quoting someone and replying with non-direct critisism. Designed to be impossible to respond to, by default, its very nature is an affront to communication.

A more well-known version of this type of response is the: "NO YOU SHUT UP"-infinite loop.

@The Mittani, try coming up with actual critisism before wasting everyones time by posting useless one-liner replies please.

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Edited by: Rbel Ion on 29/10/2007 14:31:21
^^^ nps

Originally by: Lee Bian

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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No not really. I just wanted to rub home that you're a laughing stock on somethingawful.

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everything is the laughing stock of somethingawful, which is kind of the point

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No it isn't.

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr

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Originally by: The Mittani

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calm down

---

What you witness here is a classical example of the "one-liner, diffusion flame-post".

The basic method involves block-quoting someone and replying with non-direct critisism. Designed to be impossible to respond to, by default, its very nature is an affront to communication.

A more well-known version of this type of response is the: "NO YOU SHUT UP"-infinite loop.

@The Mittani, try coming up with actual critisism before wasting everyones time by posting useless one-liner replies please.

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stop posting

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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr

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Originally by: The Mittani

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calm down

---

What you witness here is a classical example of the "one-liner, diffusion flame-post".

The basic method involves block-quoting someone and replying with non-direct critisism. Designed to be impossible to respond to, by default, its very nature is an affront to communication.

A more well-known version of this type of response is the: "NO YOU SHUT UP"-infinite loop.

@The Mittani, try coming up with actual critisism before wasting everyones time by posting useless one-liner replies please.

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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr

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So to summarize:
In relation to these forums, Goonswarm are bad because they have little or no control over what their members say or do in their name. Remember, what YOU do, reflects back on your friends. If you're a turd, then in the eyes of the rest of us, so are they!

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Originally by: The Mittani

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stop posting

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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr

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Originally by: The Mittani

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stop posting

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If I do that, then I would betray the very principles of communication would I not?

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Originally by: Natas Dog

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CAOD was ruined long before the restrictions on goons posting here were lifted. At least now, a large number of people who took themselves entirely too seriously have come around or stopped posting altogether. I enjoy the new CAOD, it's not nearly the cesspool of bitterness and spite it was a year ago.

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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr

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Originally by: The Mittani

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stop posting

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If I do that, then I would betray the very principles of communication would I not?

Your "stop posting" order does not apply to me. You have provided no reason, or expressed the background of your desire to avoid having to read more of my keyboard-gibberish.

Your failure to involve yourself in a discussion is a sign of a very immature approach. Maintaining the illusion that you are somehow entitled to demand that people stop posting, is pointless. Your best approach towards myself, would be to ignore me, and not involve yourself in a discussion that you cannot "win".

I will not stop posting, simply because you say so. I will stop posting then I have nothing more to say. You can choose to ignore me, but you cannot involve yourself, THEN decide it's not worth the effort and attempt to silence your critics by issuing demands.

If you have nothing to say that does not require more than one line of text, then please dont post. Keep it inside yourself, let it evolve into a sentance. Then and only then, should you attempt to put your mind on paper.

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Originally by: Dagam

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CAOD was ruined when BoB stopped being the center of attention imho tbqh.

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Originally by: Natas Dog

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Is Mittani trolling Schani, or is Schani a Goon alt trolling Mittani? You be the judge!

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Originally by: Phelan Driscoll

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Another good option for you might be suicide.

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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr

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In EVE quantity wins battles. On CAOD it makes you look silly and makes it difficult for the rest of us to follow your exploits and adventures.

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Originally by: Phelan Driscoll

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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Edited by: Rbel Ion on 29/10/2007 14:31:21
^^^ nps

Originally by: Lee Bian

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Originally by: Rbel Ion

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No not really. I just wanted to rub home that you're a laughing stock on somethingawful.

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everything is the laughing stock of somethingawful, which is kind of the point

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No it isn't.

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Morality Squad member spotted.

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Originally by: Roger Albany

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The problem for Goons is that they now themsleves are one of the old buys clubs. The goons that mostly raided the ISS constellations in Estoteria were not noobs in tech 1 ships - they were experienced players all in expensive tech 2 HAC's and recons.

So I think that Goons at some point will have problems recruiting new members, because somehow I do not see the "old" goon players setting up structures that help new players over the entry barriers.

For me it is just a matter of time before we see GOON 2.0 - a new corp that that hates goons and all the other "old boys" just the same and which will be able to recruit the noobs much easier. And lets face it - we need new players in EVE - bot the game and the alliances needs more players all the time to replace older players moving on to other games.

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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr

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Originally by: The Mittani

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stop posting

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If I do that, then I would betray the very principles of communication would I not?

Your "stop posting" order does not apply to me. You have provided no reason, or expressed the background of your desire to avoid having to read more of my keyboard-gibberish.

Your failure to involve yourself in a discussion is a sign of a very immature approach. Maintaining the illusion that you are somehow entitled to demand that people stop posting, is pointless. Your best approach towards myself, would be to ignore me, and not involve yourself in a discussion that you cannot "win".

I will not stop posting, simply because you say so. I will stop posting then I have nothing more to say. You can choose to ignore me, but you cannot involve yourself, THEN decide it's not worth the effort and attempt to silence your critics by issuing demands.

If you have nothing to say that does not require more than one line of text, then please dont post. Keep it inside yourself, let it evolve into a sentance. Then and only then, should you attempt to put your mind on paper.

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Originally by: Nlewis

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Edited by: Nlewis on 29/10/2007 15:45:56
there's still an ass hole, not worksafe

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Originally by: Vile rat

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Oh well let me help Exploits and adventures!

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Originally by: fishblades

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"you "sure" "do" "use" "a lot" of "quote"s"

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Originally by: The Mittani

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imma seriouspost here to be meta as ****

The issue with 'traditional' dialogue on CAOD is that it's just pretentious crap like what Molle or DBP would post. People acting INTERNET SPACE TYRANTS without a shred of irony and then getting their rocks off as sycophants lined up to suck them off on the forums. Or dabbling in 'real world' outrage over things and trying to take it out ingame, such as this idiot and his Vietnam meltdown and Avon lining up dutifully to wave the bloody flag.

You can't even parody this. I spent a long time deliberately imitating the drivel the BoB posters would spew, and the pubbies lapped it up as if I was preaching the gospel, rather than taking the **** on the whole institution. "Posting in a Mittani thread", what the christ... screw that.

So welcome to an era of total ****posting. You don't 'get' fakeposting. You probably won't 'get' ****posting, either.

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Or dabbling in 'real world' outrage over things and trying to take it out ingame, such as this idiot and his Vietnam meltdown and Avon lining up dutifully to wave the bloody flag.

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Originally by: Khorian

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Goons defence on the forums is to go into the offence with one liners. They prefer to ridicule themselves before anyone else can ridicule them. They hide behind sarcasm. Also, every single one of them posting here would be banned for live on SA.com by now for posting worthless stuff, one liners and forum ******y. they are everything the SA community despises and pick upon.

But sadly, they just don't give a damn. We best get used to them and the degradation of the EvE community into a pre puberty, annoying, repetive, stupid pile of ****.

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Originally by: Khorian

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Edited by: Khorian on 29/10/2007 15:55:54
Goons defence on the forums is to go into the offence with one liners. They prefer to ridicule themselves before anyone else can ridicule them. They hide behind sarcasm. Also, every single one of them posting here would be banned for live on SA.com by now for posting worthless stuff, one liners and forum ******y. they are everything the SA community despises and pick upon.

But sadly, they just don't give a damn. We best get used to them and the degradation of the EvE community into a pre puberty, annoying, repetive, stupid pile of ****. Fun, isn't it?

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Originally by: Garia666

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The goons suck.. why spend so much time and effort on them? its a waste of time.

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Originally by: Avon

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That isn't to say you can't propoganda your heart out, because of course you can. Just don't go out of your way to offend the people who play this game.

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Originally by: Khorian

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Edited by: Khorian on 29/10/2007 16:00:55
Edited by: Khorian on 29/10/2007 15:55:54
Goons defence on the forums is to go into the offence with one liners. They prefer to ridicule themselves before anyone else can ridicule them. They hide behind sarcasm. Also, every single one of them posting here would be banned for live on SA.com by now for posting worthless stuff, one liners and forum ******y. they are everything the SA community despises and pick upon.

But sadly, they just don't give a damn. We best get used to them and the degradation of the EvE community into a pre puberty, annoying, repetive, stupid pile of ****. Fun, isn't it?

Originally by: Tevlent

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I don't think you 'get' goons.

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And they also like to overuse in-jokes and catch phrases.

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Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Or dabbling in 'real world' outrage over things and trying to take it out ingame, such as this idiot and his Vietnam meltdown and Avon lining up dutifully to wave the bloody flag.

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Well, forgive me for thinking that the people behind the characters in this game deserve to be treated with a certain level of respect.
Generally I moderate my posts in the "bloke down the pub" manner. I can spend all evening mocking or praising people based on in-game events (and often do), but I draw the line at actually going out of my way to offend the people who participate in those events.
I'm sure those who have met me at Eve meets would concur that I am very good at seperating the game from the real world.
To me there is a line, and it should not be crossed. I'm not saying I am perfect, because I know damn fine I am not. However, if I cross that line and someone pulls me up on it then I will act accordingly .. not mock and ridicule those who I may have offended.
By treating people with that level of respect, the forums are a much more useful tool for communication, and much more enjoyable to use.

That isn't to say you can't propoganda your heart out, because of course you can. Just don't go out of your way to offend the people who play this game.

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Originally by: Avon

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By treating people with that level of respect, the forums are a much more useful tool for communication, and much more enjoyable to use.

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Originally by: Phelan Driscoll

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blow me

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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr

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Originally by: Phelan Driscoll

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blow me

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I think I will go see if I can get a moderator to have a chat with you now...

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Originally by: Nlewis

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Originally by: Garia666

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The goons suck.. why spend so much time and effort on them? its a waste of time.

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learn2troll

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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr

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Originally by: Phelan Driscoll

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blow me

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I think I will go see if I can get a moderator to have a chat with you now...

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Originally by: The Mittani

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this is as personal as it will ever get, goodbye (get out)

if you actually believed any of the crap you just posted you would have left BoB ages ago, but you're just another hypocrite waving a bloody flag

furthermore,

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Originally by: Garia666

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Originally by: Nlewis

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Originally by: Garia666

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The goons suck.. why spend so much time and effort on them? its a waste of time.

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learn2troll

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Tell the picture say`s enough realy.
The only good goon is a dead one..

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Originally by: SpaceMoose

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brb; shovelling bitter-pubbie-tears into the bitter-pubbie-tear reactor to fuel further conquest and in turn aquire more bitter-pubbie-tears.
It's a vicious circle really.

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Originally by: SpaceMoose

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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr

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Originally by: Phelan Driscoll

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blow me

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I think I will go see if I can get a moderator to have a chat with you now...

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**** you and **** your moderator msn buddy.

How's that?

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Originally by: The Mittani

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imma seriouspost here to be meta as ****

The issue with 'traditional' dialogue on CAOD is that it's just pretentious crap like what Molle or DBP would post. People acting INTERNET SPACE TYRANTS without a shred of irony and then getting their rocks off as sycophants lined up to suck them off on the forums. Or dabbling in 'real world' outrage over things and trying to take it out ingame, such as this idiot and his Vietnam meltdown and Avon lining up dutifully to wave the bloody flag.

You can't even parody this. I spent a long time deliberately imitating the drivel the BoB posters would spew, and the pubbies lapped it up as if I was preaching the gospel, rather than taking the **** on the whole institution. "Posting in a Mittani thread", what the christ... screw that.

So welcome to an era of total ****posting. You don't 'get' fakeposting. You probably won't 'get' ****posting, either.

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Quote:

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If they don't agree with the image their alliance paints of itself (and it is the image they paint, not one we paint them with - you should sit in local with these guys), they should leave.
Guilt by association.

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Quote:

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If they fail to disassociate themselves from cause, then they are seen as condoning it, and so it is perfectly fair to hold each and every member equally responsible.

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Quote:

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most right thinking people can see how unfair it is to tar everyone in BoB with the same brush.

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Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: The Mittani

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Or dabbling in 'real world' outrage over things and trying to take it out ingame, such as this idiot and his Vietnam meltdown and Avon lining up dutifully to wave the bloody flag.

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Well, forgive me for thinking that the people behind the characters in this game deserve to be treated with a certain level of respect.
Generally I moderate my posts in the "bloke down the pub" manner. I can spend all evening mocking or praising people based on in-game events (and often do), but I draw the line at actually going out of my way to offend the people who participate in those events.
I'm sure those who have met me at Eve meets would concur that I am very good at seperating the game from the real world.
To me there is a line, and it should not be crossed. I'm not saying I am perfect, because I know damn fine I am not. However, if I cross that line and someone pulls me up on it then I will act accordingly .. not mock and ridicule those who I may have offended.
By treating people with that level of respect, the forums are a much more useful tool for communication, and much more enjoyable to use.

That isn't to say you can't propoganda your heart out, because of course you can. Just don't go out of your way to offend the people who play this game.

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Originally by: Dagam

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Avon re: Goonswarm

Quote:

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If they don't agree with the image their alliance paints of itself (and it is the image they paint, not one we paint them with - you should sit in local with these guys), they should leave.
Guilt by association.

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Quote:

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If they fail to disassociate themselves from cause, then they are seen as condoning it, and so it is perfectly fair to hold each and every member equally responsible.

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Avon re: BoB

Quote:

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most right thinking people can see how unfair it is to tar everyone in BoB with the same brush.

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Something unfair for BoB is fair towards everyone else, or you're a hypocrite.

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Originally by: Illaria

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Originally by: The Mittani

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imma seriouspost here to be meta as ****

The issue with 'traditional' dialogue on CAOD is that it's just pretentious crap like what Molle or DBP would post. People acting INTERNET SPACE TYRANTS without a shred of irony and then getting their rocks off as sycophants lined up to suck them off on the forums. Or dabbling in 'real world' outrage over things and trying to take it out ingame, such as this idiot and his Vietnam meltdown and Avon lining up dutifully to wave the bloody flag.

You can't even parody this. I spent a long time deliberately imitating the drivel the BoB posters would spew, and the pubbies lapped it up as if I was preaching the gospel, rather than taking the **** on the whole institution. "Posting in a Mittani thread", what the christ... screw that.

So welcome to an era of total ****posting. You don't 'get' fakeposting. You probably won't 'get' ****posting, either.

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The community relations and politics, are what makes this game special. I'd go even further and say that they are one of the redeeming factors in an otherwise mediocre game.

Sure people like DBP are pretentious *****s, but you know, at the end of the day, when we all end up in other MMOs reminiscing about the good ol' EVE times it'll be people like him that will be remembered and not Goon_1872 that posted "You don't 'get' Goons".

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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr

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I am adding your little outburst to the petition, that way the GM who gets the ticket, can deal with you as well.

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Originally by: Dagam

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Avon re: Goonswarm

Quote:

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If they don't agree with the image their alliance paints of itself (and it is the image they paint, not one we paint them with - you should sit in local with these guys), they should leave.
Guilt by association.

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Quote:

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If they fail to disassociate themselves from cause, then they are seen as condoning it, and so it is perfectly fair to hold each and every member equally responsible.

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Avon re: BoB

Quote:

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most right thinking people can see how unfair it is to tar everyone in BoB with the same brush.

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Something unfair for BoB is fair towards everyone else, or you're a hypocrite.

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Originally by: Avon

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Wow, how out of context was that?
Prizes?

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Originally by: SpaceMoose

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quoting in anticipation of clumsy Avon rebuttal.

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Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: SpaceMoose

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quoting in anticipation of clumsy Avon rebuttal.

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Quoting to show how slow you are.

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Originally by: Phelan Driscoll

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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr

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I am adding your little outburst to the petition, that way the GM who gets the ticket, can deal with you as well.

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Tell them I also said your mother is a *****.

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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr

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Originally by: Phelan Driscoll

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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr

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I am adding your little outburst to the petition, that way the GM who gets the ticket, can deal with you as well.

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Tell them I also said your mother is a *****.

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I think they can read your statement themselves.

Had you had a picture of my mother, I am sure you would agree that your suggested career path wont suit her at all.
For future reference, you should really try being more clever when insulting people. Or at least get to know them more before trying (and missing I might add).

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Originally by: SpaceMoose

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Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: SpaceMoose

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quoting in anticipation of clumsy Avon rebuttal.

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Quoting to show how slow you are.

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quoting while still waiting for avon to try and deny the fact he's a hypocrite.

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Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: SpaceMoose

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Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: SpaceMoose

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quoting in anticipation of clumsy Avon rebuttal.

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Quoting to show how slow you are.

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quoting while still waiting for avon to try and deny the fact he's a hypocrite.

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If you are trying to argue that I don't stand for my principles, regardless what side of the Eve political divide they favour, I assume you weren't around during the 4S naming saga?
amirite?

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Originally by: SpaceMoose

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What does 4S have to do with you trying to say it's alright to punish the whole of goonswarm for the actions of individual members but not okay to punish bob for the actions of their individual members?

p.s for those watching at home: Clumsy Avon rebuttal count is now at 2

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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Originally by: SpaceMoose

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What does 4S have to do with you trying to say it's alright to punish the whole of goonswarm for the actions of individual members but not okay to punish bob for the actions of their individual members?

p.s for those watching at home: Clumsy Avon rebuttal count is now at 2

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Look at that, another post full of failure. Where did Mittani go, i miss his bad attempts at funnies.

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Originally by: Khorian

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Edited by: Khorian on 29/10/2007 16:00:55
Edited by: Khorian on 29/10/2007 15:55:54
Goons defence on the forums is to go into the offence with one liners. They prefer to ridicule themselves before anyone else can ridicule them. They hide behind sarcasm. Also, every single one of them posting here would be banned for live on SA.com by now for posting worthless stuff, one liners and forum ******y. they are everything the SA community despises and pick upon.

But sadly, they just don't give a damn. We best get used to them and the degradation of the EvE community into a pre puberty, annoying, repetive, stupid pile of ****. Fun, isn't it?

Originally by: Tevlent

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I don't think you 'get' goons.

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And they also like to overuse in-jokes and catch phrases.

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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Originally by: SpaceMoose

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What does 4S have to do with you trying to say it's alright to punish the whole of goonswarm for the actions of individual members but not okay to punish bob for the actions of their individual members?

p.s for those watching at home: Clumsy Avon rebuttal count is now at 2

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Look at that, another post full of failure. Where did Mittani go, i miss his bad attempts at funnies.

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Originally by: Ramlir

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Originally by: Khorian

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Edited by: Khorian on 29/10/2007 16:00:55
Edited by: Khorian on 29/10/2007 15:55:54
Goons defence on the forums is to go into the offence with one liners. They prefer to ridicule themselves before anyone else can ridicule them. They hide behind sarcasm. Also, every single one of them posting here would be banned for live on SA.com by now for posting worthless stuff, one liners and forum ******y. they are everything the SA community despises and pick upon.

But sadly, they just don't give a damn. We best get used to them and the degradation of the EvE community into a pre puberty, annoying, repetive, stupid pile of ****. Fun, isn't it?

Originally by: Tevlent

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I don't think you 'get' goons.

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And they also like to overuse in-jokes and catch phrases.

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Jesus, can you provide some more material confirming you're a GBS poster? I'm not quite drowning in it yet. Overuse of catchphrases and in-jokes, lol.

Also that bit of hyprocrisy from Avon was pointed out by Nez a month ago and he has never managed to answer it so feel free to Ctrl+C that and just respond to everything he says with it.

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Originally by: Maxim Powers

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I don't think you get "look".

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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Originally by: Maxim Powers

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I don't think you get "look".

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I don't think you get "burn". What kind of Goon are you? A failed Goon amirite amirite?

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Originally by: Nlewis

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it begins

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Originally by: Marko Zhang

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I realize I'm a bit late to this thread, but I remember reading once on the
internets that Goons were an Internet Hate Machine. I think I even saw some-
thing on TV about this. Is that what the OP is on about?

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Originally by: SpaceMoose

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I don't know, If your mother really wasn't a *****-***** then why would you bother defending such a ridiculous claim?

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Originally by: Schani Kratnorr

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Had you had a picture of my mother, I am sure you would agree that your suggested career path wont suit her at all.

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Originally by: Phelan Driscoll

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It's one thing if I call her a *****, but insulting your own mother is pretty low. You disgust me.

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Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: The Mittani

---

Or dabbling in 'real world' outrage over things and trying to take it out ingame, such as this idiot and his Vietnam meltdown and Avon lining up dutifully to wave the bloody flag.

---

Well, forgive me for thinking that the people behind the characters in this game deserve to be treated with a certain level of respect.
Generally I moderate my posts in the "bloke down the pub" manner. I can spend all evening mocking or praising people based on in-game events (and often do), but I draw the line at actually going out of my way to offend the people who participate in those events.
I'm sure those who have met me at Eve meets would concur that I am very good at seperating the game from the real world.
To me there is a line, and it should not be crossed. I'm not saying I am perfect, because I know damn fine I am not. However, if I cross that line and someone pulls me up on it then I will act accordingly .. not mock and ridicule those who I may have offended.
By treating people with that level of respect, the forums are a much more useful tool for communication, and much more enjoyable to use.

That isn't to say you can't propoganda your heart out, because of course you can. Just don't go out of your way to offend the people who play this game.

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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Originally by: Phelan Driscoll

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It's one thing if I call her a *****, but insulting your own mother is pretty low. You disgust me.

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I hear you're a kickboxer in real life.

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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Originally by: Nlewis

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it begins

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Much love to you. Tickle now?

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Originally by: SpaceMoose

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So can you even come up with your own insults or do you have to take goon ones and then turn them around in the vain hope that it will someone offend us? Oh yeah, can't forget to throw in a few fails here and there for good measure.

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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Edited by: Alice Cholmondeley on 29/10/2007 16:50:00

Originally by: SpaceMoose

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So can you even come up with your own insults or do you have to take goon ones and then turn them around in the vain hope that it will someone offend us? Oh yeah, can't forget to throw in a few fails here and there for good measure.

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You're one of the easy ones, i love you already.

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Originally by: Illaria

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Originally by: The Mittani

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imma seriouspost here to be meta as ****

The issue with 'traditional' dialogue on CAOD is that it's just pretentious crap like what Molle or DBP would post. People acting INTERNET SPACE TYRANTS without a shred of irony and then getting their rocks off as sycophants lined up to suck them off on the forums. Or dabbling in 'real world' outrage over things and trying to take it out ingame, such as this idiot and his Vietnam meltdown and Avon lining up dutifully to wave the bloody flag.

You can't even parody this. I spent a long time deliberately imitating the drivel the BoB posters would spew, and the pubbies lapped it up as if I was preaching the gospel, rather than taking the **** on the whole institution. "Posting in a Mittani thread", what the christ... screw that.

So welcome to an era of total ****posting. You don't 'get' fakeposting. You probably won't 'get' ****posting, either.

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The community relations and politics, are what makes this game special. I'd go even further and say that they are one of the redeeming factors in an otherwise mediocre game.

Sure people like DBP are pretentious *****s, but you know, at the end of the day, when we all end up in other MMOs reminiscing about the good ol' EVE times it'll be people like him that will be remembered and not Goon_1872 that posted "You don't 'get' Goons".

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Originally by: SpaceMoose

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I hear your alliance is failing.

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Originally by: Moctobot

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The whole GBC is going to receive the same burial he gave cyv0k

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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Originally by: SpaceMoose

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I hear your alliance is failing.

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Sorry to hear that, how do you feel about losing your home?

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Originally by: SpaceMoose

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I DUNNO, WHY DON'T YOU ASK RISE????

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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Originally by: SpaceMoose

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I hear your alliance is failing.

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Sorry to hear that, how do you feel about losing your home?

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Originally by: BoB sucks

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better to be an infamous ******* rather than a nobody amirite?

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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Originally by: Maxim Powers

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I don't think you get "look".

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I don't think you get "burn". What kind of Goon are you? A failed Goon amirite amirite?

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Originally by: Maxim Powers

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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Originally by: Maxim Powers

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I don't think you get "look".

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I don't think you get "burn". What kind of Goon are you? A failed Goon amirite amirite?

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I don't think you get "I"

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Originally by: Illaria

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Edited by: Illaria on 29/10/2007 17:02:33

Originally by: BoB sucks

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better to be an infamous ******* rather than a nobody amirite?

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Let me put it this way: better be an infamous *******, then just an *******, like a lot of the forum whoring Goons here.


Seriously I don' think it's so hard to get: I'm not defending BoB. They started the metagaming, **** posting, path, that Goonswarm is so proudly marching down along now. But that doesn't excuse you from doing even worse then them, and with much less style even.

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Originally by: Dramaticus

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Phelan Driscoll why do you hate freedom

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Originally by: Shiv Deviir

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If anyone wanted to completely defeat someone they would do well to take a lesson from the Roman Empire.

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Originally by: Ramlir

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If only I had majored in something useful like history, I could take part in these debates.

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Originally by: Shiv Deviir

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I dont post much on these forums but I think i will put my buck o' five in. I have a theory about goon behavior.

DISCLAIMER: I might be wrong, I have been wrong before.

Theory: I think that goonswarm puts up this front of "not caring, gun slinging, crap compactors" so that those in the eve community will not take them seriously as a whole. Maybe they figure that they wont be viewed as a threat until its too late. I remember before the whole great war started, they were recruiting pretty much anyone. Thats how they were looked at, "oh they take anyone, they must suck". Now people are eating their words, and so that the community will keep underestimating them, they come off as ridiculous.

Now for the whole Great War discussion, I believe that when BoB started making a serious claim that they "wanted to own all 0.0" that many people took offense to this. Who the hell wants to pay rent to some face overlord for ratting or mining in a system literally across the universe. Of course when people take offense some people turn and whine to their friends and some make a plan. They made a plan, Red Alliance made a plan and so did many other corporations and alliances. Now that the "plan" is giving fruit, it would be self defeating to just leave it to grow on its own. If anyone wanted to completely defeat someone they would do well to take a lesson from the Roman Empire. You must completely annihilate everything the opposition has, brick by brick. You must salt the earth so that nothing will every grow there again, you must erase their name from the history books.

Like I said, i could be wrong, and I probably am. They might be insanely ******** and have no direction whatsoever, or they might be acting in subterfuge.

Oh and these thoughts are completely my own and have no reflection on what others in my corporation or alliance may think. Their thoughts are their own.

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