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Wu Jiun	Posted - 2007.12.23 17:12:00 - [121] Posting in an agony empire chest-beating thread. Oh, and yes its old news the balancing team as a whole is lacking. Where have you been the last 2 months?
ZigZag Joe The Republican Guard Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2007.12.23 17:13:00 - [122] /signed. 2-3 mo of forced labor in a 0.0 alliance for Zulupark methink
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.23 17:18:00 - [123] Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Originally by: Lazuran The long thread about the original Carrier nerf proved that excessive flaming is the only way to get them to pay attention at all and perhaps listen. It's sad, but that's how it is. If you think otherwise, perhaps you haven't been around for long enough to see all the past attempts... I've not been around for long, but i've been around in other game forums and watched as devs become less and less active as they get flamed more and more, it might have some effect at first as devs try to calm the players down, but no one wants to deal with the level of abuse that's hurled at CCP on a daily basis on this forum. It's more likely to make them ignore the players, not listen to them. EVE isn't exactly new and the Devs have been largely absent from the forums for years. The massive abuse came as a result of that and the feeling that not only they're ignoring the community, but that they've also lost the touch with the game. 2 years ago we were jokingly saying that they must be playing WoW, nowdays we're just bitter and flabbergasted with some of the changes they're implementing and planning to add. It's their turn to come back to us and talk to us, not our turn to calm down and behave like we did when they had just abandoned us... I'm not holding my breath for this, just like with that player committee to look into cheating etc. ... "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.23 17:20:00 - [124] Originally by: Dorisane Originally by: Talos Darkhart Originally by: Dorisane Originally by: Pitt Bull Originally by: Rells If the person in question doesn't have a tactical brain please don't let them anywhere near the code. This game is the most deep, tactically intensive game on the market and thoughts and musings like this will RUIN it into a blob gank and tank fest. Wow, you're clueless. You think pressing F1-F8 at an optimal range is a tactical game? Its a freakin' MMO for chists' sakes. You should try a different game, like an FPS or RTS. ^^ indeed. Beyond fitting the ship, there's about squatt tactical about eve. Maybe the odd warp here or trap laid down there, but thats about it. Alot of the precieved "tactical" aspect of eve is pretty shallow. Erm if you think that then thats why you die alot take rells class then come back when you know how the game works. then please enlighten me as to where the tactical element of eve comes into play, because i sure as hell dont see it. its just a numbers game, not really tactics. maybe black ops will change that, but i'm not holding my breath I don't think anyone is going to enlighten you in this thread my friend. I would be far more enjoyable to educate you in-game. Or at least it could be, if you would post with your main.
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.23 17:28:00 - [125] Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: Jakus Cemendur Originally by: Lazuran The long thread about the original Carrier nerf proved that excessive flaming is the only way to get them to pay attention at all and perhaps listen. It's sad, but that's how it is. If you think otherwise, perhaps you haven't been around for long enough to see all the past attempts... I've not been around for long, but i've been around in other game forums and watched as devs become less and less active as they get flamed more and more, it might have some effect at first as devs try to calm the players down, but no one wants to deal with the level of abuse that's hurled at CCP on a daily basis on this forum. It's more likely to make them ignore the players, not listen to them. EVE isn't exactly new and the Devs have been largely absent from the forums for years. The massive abuse came as a result of that and the feeling that not only they're ignoring the community, but that they've also lost the touch with the game. 2 years ago we were jokingly saying that they must be playing WoW, nowdays we're just bitter and flabbergasted with some of the changes they're implementing and planning to add. It's their turn to come back to us and talk to us, not our turn to calm down and behave like we did when they had just abandoned us... I'm not holding my breath for this, just like with that player committee to look into cheating etc. ... Speak for yourself there lil fella. Actually, the dev's have been quite active on the forum and dev blogs (including the live ones). It's pretty obvious that nearly every major change to the game that came out with Trinity has had strong influence from the community. Perhaps not from you, but then again as has been pointed out, there is probably good reason for that. You (and others in this thread) seem to be trying to portray yourselves as the "voice of the community". Well, as one of the senior members of the community I'd like to make the point that we'd like our "voices" to be polite and constructive or STFU. I trust that was clear enough for you?
Dorisane	Posted - 2007.12.23 17:35:00 - [126] avoid quoting due to impending pyramid :-) just saying, if there were large amounts of tactics envolved, two pilots with exactly the same skills and ship / modules would result diffrently to one dieing with the other at 5% hull, but while eve is a point / clink numbers game, there's little, if any room for tactics really. You're either going to win or lose from the outset, depending on the ships and fits more than anything. which, while tactical to some degree, is pretty shallow. not saying there isnt any skill involved, just that there's not much. anyhow, its OT from the thread, didnt expect such a hijack, sorry :) as far as the OP, yeah, it's a bit worrying what zulu said, but im more bothered about the longevity of bugs and lack of functionality in eve which should have existed years ago. posting with alt yes, as this has nothing to do with my main's corp/alliance, so there's no reason to bring that into the matter.
Scott Ryder Infestation. The Cosa Nostra	Posted - 2007.12.23 17:38:00 - [127] I wish someone nerfed zulupark
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.23 17:42:00 - [128] Originally by: Ranger 1 [Speak for yourself there lil fella. ... You (and others in this thread) seem to be trying to portray yourselves as the "voice of the community". Well, as one of the senior members of the community I'd like to make the point that we'd like our "voices" to be polite and constructive or STFU. I trust that was clear enough for you? Oh look, it's a fanboi trying to turn this into a "whose char is older" ***ing match. I'm very sorry if you do not share my and other people's opinions on the matter, but it changes nothing. Not my dissatisfaction, not the quality of the recent changes in the game and not the outcry on the forums. It is very funny though that you claim that Trinity's changes were influenced by the community. Perhaps you meant the second change to Gallente colors, because I cannot think of anything else (well apart from the Nidhoggur slot change, but that isn't exactly representative of "Trinity"). "...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007)*
Loyal Servant Caldari Viper Intel Squad Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.23 17:44:00 - [129] Dictors were not solo pwnmobiles. What are they going to catch? a fracking frigate.. or another destroyer... how about a hauler? They could never really be much of a threat to a good cruiser pilot, or a battlecruiser pilot. My dictor did not see much reduction but it was noticeable. If this guy is not playing the game and just nerfing things just to nerf them, as you say then yes he is a fracking idiot. I read the comments, and if authentic it is pretty obvious that he also lacks basic language skills. The guy moves on to another topic and he keeps rambling trying to justify his change... insecurity at it's finest. Grow a set, ffs.
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.23 17:51:00 - [130] Originally by: Dorisane avoid quoting due to impending pyramid :-) just saying, if there were large amounts of tactics envolved, two pilots with exactly the same skills and ship / modules would result diffrently to one dieing with the other at 5% hull, but while eve is a point / clink numbers game, there's little, if any room for tactics really. You're either going to win or lose from the outset, depending on the ships and fits more than anything. which, while tactical to some degree, is pretty shallow. not saying there isnt any skill involved, just that there's not much. anyhow, its OT from the thread, didnt expect such a hijack, sorry :) as far as the OP, yeah, it's a bit worrying what zulu said, but im more bothered about the longevity of bugs and lack of functionality in eve which should have existed years ago. posting with alt yes, as this has nothing to do with my main's corp/alliance, so there's no reason to bring that into the matter. Well, to keep things related to the topic at hand: Two enemy squadrons engage each other... equal number and roughly equal combat oriented skill sets relevant to the ships they are flying. Squadron A is a dedicated nano gang with perhaps a covert for scouting. Squadron B is a mixed gang of BS, Hac's including a Rapier, and ceptors with some remote repair capability. This is not an untypical encounter, and it will be determined entirely by the pilots personal skills, communication, leadership, and most of all tactics used in the engagement. Blob warfare is less prevelant in many area's than it once was, but even there tactics play a key role in determining victory or defeat. Go engage MC sometime. And finally, I didn't create the perceptions of people on this forum... but the fact remains that posts made by alts carry little or no value. Sorry, but thats the way it is.

Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.23 18:00:00 - [131] Originally by: Ranger 1 And finally, I didn't create the perceptions of people on this forum... but the fact remains that posts made by alts carry little or no value. Sorry, but thats the way it is. You're kidding yourself if you think that it matters to people who can actually argue above the ad hominem "alt or not alt" level. Oh, and speak for yourself. Disclaimer: I do not speak for the fanbois.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.23 18:00:00 - [132] Classic Loseran Troll, anyone who actually thinks out their post must be a fanboi Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.23 18:00:00 - [133] Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: Ranger 1 [Speak for yourself there lil fella. ... You (and others in this thread) seem to be trying to portray yourselves as the "voice of the community". Well, as one of the senior members of the community I'd like to make the point that we'd like our "voices" to be polite and constructive or STFU. I trust that was clear enough for you? Oh look, it's a fanboi trying to turn this into a "whose char is older" ****ing match. I'm very sorry if you do not share my and other people's opinions on the matter, but it changes nothing. Not my dissatisfaction, not the quality of the recent changes in the game and not the outcry on the forums. It is very funny though that you claim that Trinity's changes were influenced by the community. Perhaps you meant the second change to Gallente colors, because I cannot think of anything else (well apart from the Nidhoggur slot change, but that isn't exactly representative of "Trinity"). I'm sure you can't, but it's not my job to educate you. Be as dissatified as you like, I could care less. But don't pretend you represent more than yourself, and remember that those that insult and are abusive to CCP everytime they get their panties in a bunch tend to undermine the very point they are trying to make. And yes, I "HAVE" been around long enough to hear all this type of whining before. I have no idea how long you have been playing, nor do I care. But getting emo over proposed changes and balancing issues IS rather a sign of noobness.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.23 18:09:00 - [134] Originally by: Ranger 1 remember that those that insult and are abusive to CCP everytime they get their panties in a bunch tend to undermine the very point they are trying to make. That may be a risk worth taking. It's too bad that guys like you who have to resort to flaming "alts" because they have nothing else to add, also undermine every point made to improve the game. Quote: And yes, I "HAVE" been around long enough to hear all this type of whining before. I have no idea how long you have been playing, nor do I care. But getting emo over proposed changes and balancing issues IS rather a sign of noobness. Look how elegantly you avoided to prove your claim that anything in Trinity was based on community feedback. Your inane flaming really undermines your point. Disclaimer: I do not speak for the fanbois.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.23 18:12:00 - [135] Loseran has never actually BEEN to the features and ideas forum, he does not understand why we do not take him seriously [babytalk] who's da wikkle twoll, come on who's da wikkle troll [/babytalk] Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.23 18:16:00 - [136] Originally by: Tortun Nahme Loseran has never actually BEEN to the features and ideas forum, he does not understand why we do not take him seriously O RLY [babytalk] who's da wikkle twoll, come on who's da wikkle troll [/babytalk] I bet your main complains about alt trolls a lot. ;-) Disclaimer: I do not speak for the fanbois.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.23 18:16:00 - [137] Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: Tortun Nahme Loseran has never actually BEEN to the features and ideas forum, he does not understand why we do not take him seriously O RLY Quote: [babytalk] who's da wikkle twoll, come on who's da wikkle troll [/babytalk] I bet your main complains about alt trolls a lot. ;-) Disclaimer: I do not speak for the fanbois.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.23 18:18:00 - [138] so you are saying you fail at forums completely then? linking to thread you trolled previously, epic fail Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.12.23 18:22:00 - [139] Originally by: Tortun Nahme Loseran has never actually BEEN to the features and ideas forum, he does not understand why we do not take him seriously [babytalk] who's da wikkle twoll, come on who's da wikkle troll [/babytalk] Gotcha, thanks for the clue. I broke my own 2 cardinal rules these forums. 1: Don't respond to an alts ravings. 2: Don't feed the Trolls. Shame on me, I should know better. Please Loseran, babble on. I have to go converse with some folks that actually matter.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.23 18:23:00 - [140] Originally by: Tortun Nahme so you are saying you fail at forums completely then? linking to thread you trolled previously, epic fail Are you Ranger 1's or some other fanboi's alt, trying to troll this thread until it gets locked? Good luck. Disclaimer: I do not speak for the fanbois.

Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.23 18:25:00 - [141] having to ask that question, another epic fail seriously man, stop. Your forum clone wont stand up to another self destruct Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.12.23 18:28:00 - [142] Nano-ships are a counter to blobs. One of the few remaining ways that a group of 20 skilled pilots can engage and cause casualties against a group of 100. As such there is nothing wrong with speed tanking and it represents an essential option for hit and run fighting against the odds. Since blobs and blob fighting kill the server performance and make baby Jesus cry its silly to think of ruling out this option from pvp combat. Nano-gangs have plenty of counters already - there is no need to consider limiting their power further by changes to the core game mechanics. "I might not have meant anything by it"
Igetshotalot THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.12.23 19:09:00 - [143] Originally by: Jade Constantine Nano-ships are a counter to blobs. One of the few remaining ways that a group of 20 skilled pilots can engage and cause casualties against a group of 100. and unfortunately the counter to only 1 nanoship is THE BLOB!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.12.23 19:23:00 - [144] Originally by: Dorisane Originally by: Pitt Bull Originally by: Rells If the person in question doesn't have a tactical brain please don't let them anywhere near the code. This game is the most deep, tactically intensive game on the market and thoughts and musings like this will RUIN it into a blob gank and tank fest. Wow, you're clueless. You think pressing F1-F8 at an optimal range is a tactical game? Its a freakin' MMO for chists' sakes. You should try a different game, like an FPS or RTS. ^^ indeed. Beyond fitting the ship, there's about squatt tactical about eve. Maybe the odd warp here or trap laid down there, but thats about it. Alot of the precieved "tactical" aspect of eve is pretty shallow. That's just because you dont know anything about the game. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Phelan Lore Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.12.23 19:26:00 - [145] Zulupark isn't a real dev, he's just another dev's alt used for trolling. -
Malken Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.12.23 19:35:00 - [146] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 23/12/2007 11:05:21 nano ships are unbalaced. Nano ships are the new WCS. Lets be honest here - thats exactly what they are. A Dicter doing 10k/sec can drop bubble , get out of range and warp out before you even lock them in a sensor boosted rapier/huggin. and the even worse thing is when a cruiser sized ship does upto 10k. dont nerf the dictors nerf vaga speed instead
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.12.23 19:38:00 - [147] Originally by: Igetshotalot Originally by: Jade Constantine Nano-ships are a counter to blobs. One of the few remaining ways that a group of 20 skilled pilots can engage and cause casualties against a group of 100. and unfortunately the counter to only 1 nanoship is THE BLOB! Nope, just use another nano ship or a Rapier/huginn Originally by: Tarminic Okay, that's it. You are on the KOS list, and you better pray that I don't have access to a locater agent.
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.23 19:44:00 - [148] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Originally by: Igetshotalot Originally by: Jade Constantine Nano-ships are a counter to blobs. One of the few remaining ways that a group of 20 skilled pilots can engage and cause casualties against a group of 100. and unfortunately the counter to only 1 nanoship is THE BLOB! Nope, just use another nano ship or a Rapier/huginn So we are all doomed to fly Minmatar ships or nanoed Ishtars ????
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.12.23 19:47:00 - [149] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 23/12/2007 19:47:46 This is a very left field idea, but it could work. Can we possibly get some players into the CCP staff, to make sure these guys dont completely ruin the game? We all know the type of player Im referring to, aswell. Myself not included. It just seems to me that CCP staff spend more time drinking and counting money, instead of producing a good product. Lets get rid of some of this useless crap in the game. Please remember that less is more, and what looks like a good idea on paper sux in real applications. WildCat
Admiral Annihilation Ganja Labs Pure.	Posted - 2007.12.23 20:09:00 - [150] Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 23/12/2007 19:47:46 This is a very left field idea, but it could work. Can we possibly get some players into the CCP staff, to make sure these guys dont completely ruin the game? Or maybe test/balance their new ships, patches BEFORE they release them. That would solve 2 problems; new ships wouldn't need to be nerfed after their released (cutting back on allot of grief), and issues with small little things that end in "ini"... -------------------------------------



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