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Stephanie Cormak	Posted - 2008.02.13 23:19:00 - [871] LOL shira, like i said there is no room to fit a good tank for cadari with tackle mods, whether u active or passive tank. and the reists nerf dont help any. Duh, like I said,any armor tank ship is gonna beat a shield tank ship, unless of course the armor tank pilot really sucks. Just goes to show that armor tanking is superior to shield tanking.
Adreena Varule	Posted - 2008.02.13 23:20:00 - [872] Originally by: Sioluk while some changes are definately welcomed.. i have a few things to say.. again.. First.. Zulupark.. everything you touch has ***ed the player base off in some form or another.. myself included.. you've spearheaded the nerfs of every* ship i favored and/or wanted to get since i started. Get off your high horse sooner or later, before you are to blame for thousands of lost subscriptions. Second. I refuse to believe that you will change 10% cap reduction per level to a dmg mod.. Hello?? Zealot with 2 dmg mods?? Absolution with 2 dmg mods?... are you Insane? The only ships i fight that I fear are Amarr, and your going to make thier dmg boats even stronger? Third... Explosive Crystals? how the @#%$!@ do you get Explosive from LASERS?.. Let them change thier dmg types with drones like Gallente do.. Hybrids only do Kin/Therm, what makes amarr so freaking special that thier LASERS will magically do EXPLOSIVE dmg? eh?.. is your head on straight matey? I fly every race, so I'm not opinionated/biased towards any single race, while I prefer minmatar, most of your changes will make it harder for the poor matari to survive. Its bad enough that you have to train for ages just to be effective in the ships we have, where most other races can do it with little effort. after 2 years, i still have a hard time tanking a matari ship as well as gallente or caldari.. Amarr i leave out of that, because if it could tank as well as amarr, the universe would be afraid. While i am happy that CCP finally gave minmatar a ship with useful bonuses. (Broadsword) it makes me sick to think that i can PASSIVE tank a sleipnir better than I can active tank it... do you see something wrong iwth that picture? because I sure as hell do, considering its got a Shield Boost bonus.. (which is utter crap btw.) You make it hard for me to want to play this game.. you and you alone ruin this for me Zulupark. As i'm sure you've ruined the gaming experience of many before me, and many more to follow. Please... Stop.... Stop trying to pretend you play this game, and make changes based on your personal opinions.. and while we're at it.. Fix the Dictors Dont even think about putting your hands on the carriers Put Tuxford back in control of the Nerf Bat.. at least when he manhandled it, the results were.. Livable. You make our lives hell. I seriously hope you get moved out of balance/design team, and just take up a job answering phones. there are many many other things that you've done or talked about that has made me question why i pay for a single account, nevermind as many as I do. Sioluk, I like you /signed honestly i could live with all the changes accept the resist nerfs. If you are going to nerf it.. . if u absolutly have to break it then at least redestribute the points in other resistances (ohh idk like -10 from em and +10 to explosive on armor and maybe -10 explosive on shields and +10 thermal... idk w/e id rather u not "fix" whats not broken.)
Dlardrageth Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.02.13 23:29:00 - [873] Originally by: Delphi Disra [...] Personally a well skilled ammarr pilot is by far way more effective than any other race i can think of. How's that? And don't please give me some line about PWNing everyone in PvP with maxed skills here and there. Amarr have not only a role as DPS support and bait tank in EVE-O. At least that wasn't what was written in the blog. And apart from all the PvP issues that still remain for Amarr (mainly in cruiser-sized vessels and with beam lasers), PvE in an Amarr laserboat is still hardcore, especially with the ton of Gurista missions you get in Amarr space. But ofc... mining-wise all races are balanced...
Durao Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.14 01:31:00 - [874] Originally by: Sioluk Second. I refuse to believe that you will change 10% cap reduction per level to a dmg mod.. Hello?? Zealot with 2 dmg mods?? Absolution with 2 dmg mods?... are you Insane? The only ships i fight that I fear are Amarr, and your going to make thier dmg boats even stronger? Third... Explosive Crystals? how the @#%$!@ do you get Explosive from LASERS?.. Let them change thier dmg types with drones like Gallente do.. Hybrids only do Kin/Therm, what makes amarr so freaking special that thier LASERS will magically do EXPLOSIVE dmg? eh?.. is your head on straight matey? Umm...I really hope you aren't suggesting that Zulupark's blog said he is going to 1) take away the -10% cap bonus and replace it with another bonus or 2) give Amarr explosive crystals. Those were ideas that he rejected in place of the other Amarr buffs. Those were some player-suggested ideas (from the forums) that the devs didn't see as the solution. Please take a step back and actually read the blog.
Joe Martin	Posted - 2008.02.14 01:51:00 - [875] Edited by: Joe Martin on 14/02/2008 01:53:40 Originally by: Sioluk while some changes are definately welcomed.. i have a few things to say.. again.. First.. Zulupark.. everything you touch has ***ed the player base off in some form or another.. myself included.. you've spearheaded the nerfs of every* ship i favored and/or wanted to get since i started. Get off your high horse sooner or later, before you are to blame for thousands of lost subscriptions. Second. I refuse to believe that you will change 10% cap reduction per level to a dmg mod.. Hello?? Zealot with 2 dmg mods?? Absolution with 2 dmg mods?... are you Insane? The only ships i fight that I fear are Amarr, and your going to make thier dmg boats even stronger? Third... Explosive Crystals? how the @#%$!@ do you get Explosive from LASERS?.. Let them change thier dmg types with drones like Gallente do.. Hybrids only do Kin/Therm, what makes amarr so freaking special that thier LASERS will magically do EXPLOSIVE dmg? eh?.. is your head on straight matey? I fly every race, so I'm not opinionated/biased towards any single race, while I prefer minmatar, most of your changes will make it harder for the poor matari to survive. Its bad enough that you have to train for ages just to be effective in the ships we have, where most other races can do it with little effort. after 2 years, i still have a hard time tanking a matari ship as well as gallente or caldari.. Amarr i leave out of that, because if it could tank as well as amarr, the universe would be afraid. While i am happy that CCP finally gave minmatar a ship with useful bonuses. (Broadsword) it makes me sick to think that i can PASSIVE tank a sleipnir better than I can active tank it... do you see something wrong iwth that picture? because I sure as hell do, considering its got a Shield Boost bonus.. (which is utter crap btw.) You make it hard for me to want to play this game.. you and you alone ruin this for me Zulupark. As i'm sure you've ruined the gaming experience of many before me, and many more to follow. Please... Stop.... Stop trying to pretend you play this game, and make changes based on your personal opinions.. and while we're at it.. Fix the Dictors Dont even think about putting your hands on the carriers Put Tuxford back in control of the Nerf Bat.. at least when he manhandled it, the results were.. Livable. You make our lives hell. I seriously hope you get moved out of balance/design team, and just take up a job answering phones. there are many many other things that you've done or talked about that has made me question why i pay for a single account, nevermind as many as I do. I never thought someone could fit so much self-ownage into a single post. For all your vast EVE experience you forgot to train "Reading."
Gallen Cross Gallente Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.02.14 03:30:00 - [876] Originally by: Adreena Varule honestly i could live with all the changes accept the resist nerfs. If you are going to nerf it.. . if u absolutly have to break it then at least redestribute the points in other resistances (ohh idk like -10 from em and +10 to explosive on armor and maybe -10 explosive on shields and +10 thermal... idk w/e id rather u not "fix" whats not broken.) I agree, i like the other ideas fine.. im actually training for amarr and ive been planning that way before any of this news came out and i think that the resist idea is pretty sucky, but i guess if they have to tamper and break somthin they could at least put the points back into a different resist type.
Shira Rayborn	Posted - 2008.02.14 17:47:00 - [877] Originally by: Stephanie Cormak LOL shira, like i said there is no room to fit a good tank for cadari with tackle mods, whether u active or passive tank. and the reists nerf dont help any. Duh, like I said,any armor tank ship is gonna beat a shield tank ship, unless of course the armor tank pilot really sucks. Just goes to show that armor tanking is superior to shield tanking. You do know many amarr ships for example, hacs cruisers, just fit a 100dps tank sometimes? Every friggin caldari tank i see is several hundred dps. If you always go for a tank like that you have nothing to complain about. Sorry.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.14 17:59:00 - [878] Originally by: Delphi Disra How about not nerfing ships like you promised? Just boost the ones that lack firepower. Boo on nerfing resists, just give the amarr better firepower if thats what you think is needed. Personally a well skilled ammarr pilot is by far way more effective than any other race i can think of. If they raise amarr damage to get same overall effect as the EM armor nerf then youd cry when mega pulses start 2 volleying non tanked ships of any class. I think the resist changes are a better way to go. -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation
Young DrPhil Caldari Fusion Enterprises Ltd	Posted - 2008.02.15 00:40:00 - [879] Originally by: Gallen Cross Originally by: Adreena Varule honestly i could live with all the changes accept the resist nerfs. If you are going to nerf it.. . if u absolutly have to break it then at least redestribute the points in other resistances (ohh idk like -10 from em and +10 to explosive on armor and maybe -10 explosive on shields and +10 thermal... idk w/e id rather u not "fix" whats not broken.) I agree, i like the other ideas fine.. im actually training for amarr and ive been planning that way before any of this news came out and i think that the resist idea is pretty sucky, but i guess if they have to tamper and break somthin they could at least put the points back into a different resist type. /Signed
Veryez	Posted - 2008.02.15 04:12:00 - [880] Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Originally by: Veryez And finally if you're looking at tweaking some ships, consider removing target painter bonuses from all minmatar ships. They are far more useful on caldari ships then on minmatar ships, give our recons an agility or speed bonus, something we could actually use... How about you get TDs + nos as recon ew bonuses and amarr gets webs and TPs. We wouldnt complain. I'd accept in a heartbeat, where can I sign up?

Ira Theos	Posted - 2008.02.15 05:02:00 - [881] Said by others here, and I agree, IT IS RIDICULOUS TO NERF THE TARGET WHEN THE REAL PROBLEM IS THE GUN IS SHOOTING BLANKS.... WHY DON'T YOU JUST INCREASE AMARR DPS DIRECTLY RATHER THAN TRYING TO BACK THE HORSE INTO THE BARN THRU A HOLE IN THE ROOF?? OR IS THIS SOME QUAINT QUIRK IN ICELANDIC LOGIC THAT MAKES YOU DO THINGS THIS WAY??
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.15 05:17:00 - [882] Originally by: Ira Theos Said by others here, and I agree, IT IS RIDICULOUS TO NERF THE TARGET WHEN THE REAL PROBLEM IS THE GUN IS SHOOTING BLANKS.... WHY DON'T YOU JUST INCREASE AMARR DPS DIRECTLY RATHER THAN TRYING TO BACK THE HORSE INTO THE BARN THRU A HOLE IN THE ROOF?? OR IS THIS SOME QUAINT QUIRK IN ICELANDIC LOGIC THAT MAKES YOU DO THINGS THIS WAY?? You LOLed me -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation
BhallSpawn	Posted - 2008.02.17 20:13:00 - [883] so rather than boost ammar with cap stuff you nerf resists on other ships to thereby make amarr appear better. right. that makes no sense. Your kid is in school, and he's got a learning disablity (ie amarr) The teacher basically encourages the other kids (other races) to not do as well so that your kid won't feel as bad..... cause afterall, he can't do as good on tests and stuff. That's basically what CCP is doing Dumbing down standards instead of lifting up the weak link.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.02.19 22:48:00 - [884] Originally by: BhallSpawn Your kid is in school, and he's got a learning disablity (ie amarr) The teacher basically encourages the other kids (other races) to not do as well so that your kid won't feel as bad..... cause afterall, he can't do as good on tests and stuff. I dont think its the same thing. Ships dont have feelings do they? -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation
Adreena Varule	Posted - 2008.02.20 01:42:00 - [885] Edited by: Adreena Varule on 20/02/2008 01:42:09 Originally by: BhallSpawn so rather than boost ammar with cap stuff you nerf resists on other ships to thereby make amarr appear better. right. that makes no sense. Your kid is in school, and he's got a learning disablity (ie amarr) The teacher basically encourages the other kids (other races) to not do as well so that your kid won't feel as bad..... cause afterall, he can't do as good on tests and stuff. That's basically what CCP is doing Dumbing down standards instead of lifting up the weak link. ..yea somthin like that... i understand what you're sayin and i agree totally. Interesting analogy however.
1157767	Posted - 2008.02.20 02:26:00 - [886] lets not mention all the minmatar pilots who are secretly giggling in anticipation of the soon to be devastating effects of EMP-L and EMP-M. honestly - just raise the dps or raise r0f or lower the cap usage
Sylthi Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic	Posted - 2008.02.20 07:48:00 - [887] So let me get this straight....... Your answer to years of pleeding from Amarr pilots to get a little love is to: NERFBAT....... EVERYONE?!?!? I have to give that a giant WTF!??!? This is the saddest excuse for a boost I have EVER heard of... BAR NONE. First you nerfbat the NOS, which was a mainstay on many laser (cap dependant) builds. Now you call this a "boost"? Whatever the guys are smoking in the "balance" room needs to get passed around, because that must be some really good mind-altering schyte. Really, CCP, passing off a MASSIVE nerf as a boost? That is really a new low, even for you. * *
Shira Rayborn	Posted - 2008.02.20 18:20:00 - [888] Maybe now the alliance of three (minmatar, gallente, caldari) have learned not to smack down amarr boost threads with "your ships are fine, you just suck at pvp" comments. For 2 years amarr has been trying to get a fix. Justice has been served and it tastes sweet. You should have been more humble before, now its too late.
Caliglia	Posted - 2008.02.20 21:54:00 - [889] I have ben playing Amarr and only amarr for over 1 year only using amarr ships i find that lazers compared to other turrets are more of a precision weapon and if uses right can do same or more dmg the problem is tho that amarr ships uses so mutch cap to start with. and that setting items to boost the bad sides of lazer turrets removes the cap rechargers and cap power relays we have to use now to bring our ships up to the same standart as other racers. i truly belive that nerfing every ones ships is a big mistake course in pvp and PVR(player vs rat) galliente,caldary and mimatar is quit ballanced. so what id say in sted is that we need the ones good side amarr has boosted alot more. galliente has more armor repair and drons, and hypred turrets. caldary has long range missiles and hybrids. mimatar has high movement speed projektile turrets and some missiles. amarr has large cap lazers and high powergrid. this is offcourse not totaly right and stuff but it more or less definds the racers only amarrs cap use in any setup is high every high. other racers dont use alot of cap for other than tanking but amarr uses it for weapons to and fankly i find lazers to be have manny great sides only we die if trying to use them right. hmm long talk for nothing. what i surgest is that amarr cap ammounts are boosted even more (not the cap recharge time just the cap ammount) i find that manny other racers ships have same ammount of cap and that leaves amarr abit in troubel course we use alot so mutch chat our ships are all about cap. plz stop nerf and replace it with an over all boost of amarr ships cap in the end this will make every one happy and lazer uses can start to use more lazer turret boosting items insted og all thos cap rechargers. ps. any one thinging this is unfair need to take a long hard look on how little cap there ships use on weapons and how easy it is for them to make there tank run none stop with the cap they have now. offcourse i dont belive in honnest people so i guess ill just have to take lame ass flames HIT ME !
Maire Devylin Amarr AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.02.21 00:35:00 - [890] Calling this an Amarr boost is like calling Pro Wrestling real.

Back Again Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.02.21 01:41:00 - [891] Haha, I want to invite everyone to a ride in Sisi. So, you think it's only the base resistance of ships that changed? Just take a look in some shield resistance amplifiers there, fanction and officers. Compare them to the armor counterparts. After this, just log in TQ and see the same items again. If you don't want to go to Sisi right now, just take a look in this thead. It's good being Caldari, isn't it? Well, at least I can crosstrain for other race... it will take me some more months to be effective, sadly. And it seems this is what CCP want us to do, or I'm lost here? About the statement of shield natural recharge rate, Zulupark forgot to mention that every ship has shields, no matter the race. No signature here, only the bright light of a ship exploding right in front of me... Ohhh, wait, I'm in a pod!! It was my ship!!!
Sylthi Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic	Posted - 2008.02.21 05:15:00 - [892] Edited by: Sylthi on 21/02/2008 05:20:49 I took a look at SiSi, like the guy above suggested, and SERIOUSLY: THIS WHOLE NERFTRAIN NEEDS TO STOP! NOW! BEFORE YOU RUIN STANDARDS THAT HAVE STOOD FOR ALMOST 5 YEARS. He's absolutly right about what he said about the Caldari. If half the Caldari pilots out there knew about what you were doing with their resists, CCP HQ would have been burned to the ground by now by somebody who takes the game a little too much to heart. Seriously. It's not JUST the Caldari either. This so called Amarr "boost" is nothing short of the most MASSIVE "stealth" NERF CCP has ever attempted. It is going to affect EVERYONE in EVERY RACE, all in a NEGATIVE fashion. Ok, sure, some have pointed out that the Minis are going to get an effective damage boost out of this for their EMP ammo, and that is true. BUT, they are also going to get hit with the resist nerfbat, and so their tanks (which are not the best in the game to begin with) are going to get that much weaker. Not to mention the fact, that I thought we were boosting the AMARR, not the MINMATAR!!! Seriously communnity, you NEED to start reading what this is about NOW! You NEED to start doing the research! You need to make your voices heard if we have a prayer of stopping this insanity. This is just disgraceful...... After all CCP, what makes the Amarr so different? EVERY OTHER SINGLE RACE that has claimed to have a weapon problem, (over the past FIVE YEARS) you have either done NOTHING or adjusted the weapons, or the ammo, or the ship skill bonuses. WHY FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY, has the Ammar "boost" turned into a massive resist killing NERF nuclear detonation? * *
Persefona	Posted - 2008.02.21 12:39:00 - [893] I totaly agree with Sylthi. This is not a boost obviously this is a nurf. I my self ammar, I am playing ammar as my main and if this hits live all I will do is to delete this cahr and start another one. This is a joke.
Jarek Konecnik CHON	Posted - 2008.02.21 13:32:00 - [894] Rofl, yeah, you won't have 70%+ explo resist with one invul on your raven, I'm so with you... whiners The only real nerf gets the deimos, so deimos pilots can whine, the rest just sux imo :)
Sylthi Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic	Posted - 2008.02.21 13:35:00 - [895] Originally by: Jarek Konecnik Rofl, yeah, you won't have 70%+ explo resist with one invul on your raven, I'm so with you... whiners The only real nerf gets the deimos, so deimos pilots can whine, the rest just sux imo :) So, in the middle or your trolling, you agree that this is a "stealth" nerf (on some level) and NOT a boost. Thank you for agreeing with us and making your voice heard on this important subject. * *
Jarek Konecnik CHON	Posted - 2008.02.21 13:42:00 - [896] Originally by: Sylthi Originally by: Jarek Konecnik Rofl, yeah, you won't have 70%+ explo resist with one invul on your raven, I'm so with you... whiners The only real nerf gets the deimos, so deimos pilots can whine, the rest just sux imo :) So, in the middle or your trolling, you agree that this is a "stealth" nerf (on some level) and NOT a boost. Thank you for agreeing with us and making your voice heard on this important subject. Well it's obvious nerf, but who the hell cares. Nothing really changes. Amarrs and minmatars get slightly boosted, but nothing biggie. You are whining about nothing.
Sylthi Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic	Posted - 2008.02.21 13:51:00 - [897] Edited by: Sylthi on 21/02/2008 13:52:10 Originally by: Jarek Konecnik Originally by: Sylthi Originally by: Jarek Konecnik Rofl, yeah, you won't have 70%+ explo resist with one invul on your raven, I'm so with you... whiners The only real nerf gets the deimos, so deimos pilots can whine, the rest just sux imo :) So, in the middle or your trolling, you agree that this is a "stealth" nerf (on some level) and NOT a boost. Thank you for agreeing with us and making your voice heard on this important subject. Well it's obvious nerf, but who the hell cares. Nothing really changes. Amarrs and minmatars get slightly boosted, but nothing biggie. You are whining about nothing. YOU will care, when you wake up one day and relise that you got hit by it too, and that your ship's stats are lower than they were the day before. Don't you undertand? They are NOT done nerfing. This is a MASSIVE nerf in progress. Everyone is (or will be) getting hit by what they are doing, if the devs blogs are to believed. They are messing with the very core of game system-wide combat balance; and doing it in a bad (VERY dangerous) way. If you don't see that, then you haven't done your research properly sorry to say. Finally, since when is LOWERING anyone defined as a "boost" for someone else? So NO, Amarr and Minis are NOT getting boosted. EVERYONE is getting nerfed. It is NOT the same thing at all. If you can't see THAT, then I don't know what else to say to you honestly.... * *
RAMANAK	Posted - 2008.02.21 14:03:00 - [898] I have always been told that amarr were the weakest race. even before i started playing or even made my character..i purposley chose Amarr for the challenge.. I found out they aren't that bad. With this new patch though Amarr will finally be able to hold there heads up in a pvp battle. I think these new changes will be great for the players and eve altogether. Thanks for the help guys!
Jarek Konecnik CHON	Posted - 2008.02.21 14:09:00 - [899] Originally by: Sylthi Edited by: Sylthi on 21/02/2008 13:52:10 YOU will care, when you wake up one day and relise that you got hit by it too, and that your ship's stats are lower than they were the day before. Don't you undertand? They are NOT done nerfing. This is a MASSIVE nerf in progress. Everyone is (or will be) getting hit by what they are doing, if the devs blogs are to believed. They are messing with the very core of game system-wide combat balance; and doing it in a bad (VERY dangerous) way. If you don't see that, then you haven't done your research properly sorry to say. Finally, since when is LOWERING anyone defined as a "boost" for someone else? So NO, Amarr and Minis are NOT getting boosted. EVERYONE is getting nerfed. It is NOT the same thing at all. If you can't see THAT, then I don't know what else to say to you honestly.... No, I won't. There will be more fitting options = the game will be more interesting. Em armor hardeners and explo shield hardeners won't be so useless as they are now. I agree, that the principle of boosting someone by nerfing the others isn't nice, but sometimes it's just the best way. For example if you would like to boost all amarr em damage, you can't just boost laser weapons, as there are some ships with em missile bonuses. So either you change 1337 things, or you change one and see what happens - resists overall in this case. End of story :p
Sylthi Minmatar Coreward Pan-Galactic	Posted - 2008.02.21 14:11:00 - [900] Originally by: RAMANAK I have always been told that amarr were the weakest race. even before i started playing or even made my character..i purposley chose Amarr for the challenge.. I found out they aren't that bad. With this new patch though Amarr will finally be able to hold there heads up in a pvp battle. I think these new changes will be great for the players and eve altogether. Thanks for the help guys! Read my post directly above. I totally agree with the Amarr needing to be balanced, and get some love, but the devs are going about it in a toally wrong and dangerous way. Amarr are not the ONLY people that are going to be "boosted" by this not so "stealth" nerf. Your EM resist on your Amarr ships is going to go down too, along with everyone elses. Which will make you more vulnerable to Mini and Caladri EM damage. So, with greatest respect: I don't see how your point of this making Amarr more competative in PvP is vaild. Perhaps if you explained more about something I have obviously missed, if your statement is correct? * *



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