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Pociomundo
Knights of Chaos
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.02.01 20:47:00 -
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Lost one low, gained 1 mid.
No thanks.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.02.01 20:51:00 -
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Now do the same thing for the Raven and Rokh. And for the tempest, swap one mid for one low!
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:17:00 -
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im sorry but wtf is the point here?
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: Antodias on 01/02/2008 21:24:19
Are there any patch notes for sisi?
I'd rather know whats changed so to properly test it rather than stealth changes.
On topic, I'm not sure what they're trying to do here, make it more cap stable or something? Can't say I'm that impressed.
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Pociomundo
Knights of Chaos
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Pociomundo on 01/02/2008 21:35:28
The Deimos is about up close damage, killing your target before it kills you after closing at high speed through weapons fire.
Not about injecting your capacitor to sustain a more tanked setup and outlive your opponent through repairs.
MWD Bonus is GONE, replaced with 7.5% to effectiveness of armour repairer. So now we have a small Brutix that's 3x as expensive, does less damage and tanks worse. WHich dev thought this was a good idea? Really...
The changes are completly against the idea behind the ship. It is no longer the ultimate close range blaster cruiser.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:33:00 -
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I can confirm that on SIS right now, the Deimos is:
6 hi
4 med
5 low
good news is, i suppose, that your meds will now be: mwd, scram, web, cap injector
but given the deimoses need to operate in web range and thus its requirement for a good tank....not sure how this will play out.
Originally by: Meridius Dex
I could actually fit a Thorax WITH LASERS and get better DPS, better speed, better tank and - wait for it - better cap stability
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Karina Sasieko
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
I can confirm that on SIS right now, the Deimos is:
6 hi
4 med
5 low
good news is, i suppose, that your meds will now be: mwd, scram, web, cap injector
but given the deimoses need to operate in web range and thus its requirement for a good tank....not sure how this will play out.
On a properly fitted deimos you don't need a cap injector;
it's cap stable for 2m30s-3minutes - thats normal fight time of deimos; you eihter die, kill or bail out - even when perma running the mar with 800mm plate.
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Hunter Vonnegut
In terrorem
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:49:00 -
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HEY CCP!
IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!!
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Karina Sasieko
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hunter Vonnegut
HEY CCP!
IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!!
/signed
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Berand
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:53:00 -
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Oh please, tell me this is one of those things where CCP was just messing around, haha, wont the Gallente pilots flip when they see THIS!
Why would you turn this ship, which just became decent after the last tweak, in to a really expensive Brutix?
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MellaRinn
Gallente
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Karina Sasieko
Originally by: Hunter Vonnegut
HEY CCP!
IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!!
/signed
can't agree more...
OR WAIT! Let's passive shield tank it... :/
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Cincinnaty Kid
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Posted - 2008.02.01 21:56:00 -
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Yeah this change should not come live on Tranquility...
why change a ship which is good working...
just crap change...
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Verone
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:04:00 -
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So, the amarr changes were great, but now you're raping a ship that works perfectly fine.
Oh look, it's the sansha changes all over again.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:15:00 -
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the deimos changes are pure W T F.
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Stakhanov on 01/02/2008 22:19:22
Edited by: Stakhanov on 01/02/2008 22:18:42
You didn't seriously think Zulupark would implement needed , reasonable changes for Amarr & Caldari without indulging in ship mutilation , did you 
Originally by: ivan draco
we didnt want your post anyway
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Stakhanov
Edited by: Stakhanov on 01/02/2008 22:19:22
Edited by: Stakhanov on 01/02/2008 22:18:42
You didn't seriously think Zulupark would implement needed , reasonable changes for Amarr & Caldari without indulging in ship mutilation , did you
I did. guess i am gullible
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:43:00 -
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Oh god, make it stop. 
Seriously, did the devs get high and decide that it was the Deimos' turn to suck again after having been made half decent for a few months?
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Azuse
Live and Learn Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.01 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Azuse on 01/02/2008 23:00:06
umm, we spend 2 years typing to get someone to fix the thing, it happens then someone comes along and ****s it up AGAIN.
WTF?
oh and if this is supposed to be the ultimate blaster what's the point in the vigilant these days? Repping may be in line with the other blasters so how about we just gimp the thorax as well and remove them from the game?
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Merin Ryskin
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.01 23:10:00 -
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The change would be fine, as long as one thing is done: increase base cap 25% to compensate for the removed bonus, and do the same for the Thorax. The MWD cap bonus is worthless and needed changing, but it needed changing the right way.
As for the low -> mid change, no. An injector is nice, but the 4th mid should replace the useless spare high slot, not a very useful low.
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bldyannoyed
Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2008.02.01 23:12:00 -
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Who in their right ******* mind thought that this was anything even approaching a good idea?
Take the uber DPS OMFG do-or-die balls to the wall thrill HAC and turn it into a **** poor , more expensive, less tough, less damaging version of a Brutix.
Seriously.
WTF.
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Hunyoo Gurglebush
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.02.01 23:13:00 -
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I usually don't bother posting about SiSi changes... but sheesh, these must be some of the most stupid changes CCP has ever proposed. Easily turns the Deimos into one of the most ****ty HACs in game.
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Grytok
moon7empler
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.02.02 00:09:00 -
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CCP, wtf are you thinking? Seriously, leave the Deimos alone!
It does'nt need a repair-bonus, it doesn't need a freakin wasted 4th Mid-Slot in exchange for a Low-Slot.
Go f**k up something else, like the Bantam.
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Jade190
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Posted - 2008.02.02 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Hunter Vonnegut
HEY CCP!
IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!!
Reposted for emphasis
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Artemis Dragmire
Veto. Academy
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.02 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hunter Vonnegut
HEY CCP!
IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!!
/signed
The Deimos was fine, it wasn't a broken ship, it was plenty easy to kill, and it had versatility in it's fittings.
Please let's not see this change come to TQ, the Deimos doesn't need fixing.
Also, why would the cruiser bonus change from the t1 version of a ship to the t2?
Every other ship in the game has the same cruiser bonus as the t1 counterpart, but the deimos suddenly changes.
And the slot changes are just bad, the fitting options for the deimos are extremely limited now, and while it will be able to tank a hell of a lot more, it will have to rely on cap boosters to do so, and it will most definately cap out long before it can kill any equally matched ship due to it's pathetic DPS now. (Zealot, Ishtar, sacriledge, etc)
And in a gang setup it no longer has the ability to bring the pain and still have a semi-reasonable buffer for WHEN it gets primaried (not "if").
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2008.02.02 00:35:00 -
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rumor has it the family of assualts might be getting anew type of bonus that would make electronic warfare options less viable against them. If a demios where to grain reistance to being nossed painted or webbed could change alot of things making this change not as bad.
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El Yatta
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2008.02.02 00:40:00 -
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Deimos has a useless high and ONLY just enough lows at 6 to fullfill gank/heavy assault role considering it needs to have an armour buffer. Losing a low is terrible! No to this change please.
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Kai Lae
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.02.02 00:47:00 -
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Slot change would be ok, if it was -1 high and +1 mid. This however, is horrible.
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Kelron Queldine
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.02 01:56:00 -
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I don't understand what CCP intend with this change. It's not a great ship, but since the speed and PG boosts it's been worth using as a fairly fast gank & passive tank ship. In it's current state on TQ, it already has some fitting issues compared to other ships, and the new bonuses point to much more powergrid intensive setups.
5 lows means that any attempt at a gank setup will have even less armour buffer than it does currently, so a tank setup would be more practical. The rep bonus obviously also supports this. Fitting a Deimos without an MWD is usually impractical, so with the loss of the MWD bonus it now has lower cap with one fitted, despite the boost to base cap. Along with the 4th mid, this suggests CCP want us to use cap boosters. So we're looking at 300 MW of extra modules required for a sensible Deimos setup, which has to be taken away from the guns, which effectively relegates the Deimos to using low damage tank setups.
It looks to me like the Myrmidon-Ishtar problem pre-bandwidth, where the only advantage to the Ishtar over the much cheaper Myrm was the higher maneuverability. The solution in that case was to remove the Myrm's heavy drones to give the Ishtar back its defining ability, but the Brutix needs a boost, if anything, and there's really no reason to try and change the Deimos' role from the current TQ state.
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mama guru
Gallente
Corp 1 Allstars
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.02 02:26:00 -
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PLEASE CCP! I'd love a 4th midslot, but dont drop a lowslot. Holy ****! drop that useless 6th highslot instead.
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Rule2k
Annihilative Intention.
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Posted - 2008.02.02 03:00:00 -
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Edited by: Rule2k on 02/02/2008 03:01:32
beg all you want, ccp are fags towards gallente
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