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Gaogan
Gallente Solar Storm Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.02.02 04:08:00 -
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WTF?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
This ship is good just the way it is. It already is outdamaged and outtanked by a brutix. It's only advantage is that it is faster and more maneuverable. After this change, it still won't tank as much as a brutix, but won't do as much damage. Are you TRYING to ruin every gallente ship CCP?
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xOm3gAx
Caldari Stain of Mind
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Posted - 2008.02.02 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
So, the amarr changes were great, but now you're raping a ship that works perfectly fine.
Oh look, it's the sansha changes all over again.
/signed
This ship is perfectly fine. It dies easy and kills well.
No more bree for that man -> (im pointing at the dev who came up with the idea)
Originally by: CCP Abraxas Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights.
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Rayvenne
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Posted - 2008.02.02 04:26:00 -
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Ugh. First my Arazu, now my Deimos.
Why CCP why? Why can't you just leave well enough alone?
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Terraisa Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.02 04:52:00 -
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Wow.. just wow.. I suppose I would be more upset if I had spent the last 3 weeks training Gal cruiser 5 to fly Deimos and not Ishtar. It would have been nice to try Deimos but I'm more baffled than angry.
I'm not sure where CCP thinks they are going with this one but if they want to turn it into a tank, it needs that low slot back and more. Some resistance bonuses would be good.
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Zana Kito
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Posted - 2008.02.02 04:56:00 -
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Get rid of useless high slots, nobody uses NOS anymore after its been horribly nerfed.
A 5/4/6 deimos is the perfect HAC for close range gank. Get rid of the repair bonus, it doesn't belong there. This ship is about firepower.
A 6/4/5 deimos is a horribly gimped version of a brutix. |
Antaris Xenal
Gallente Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.02.02 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Hunter Vonnegut HEY CCP!
IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!!
/signed, ccp how much beer you been drinking? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -TheDagda ([email protected]) |
Maximus Knight
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Posted - 2008.02.02 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: Hunter Vonnegut HEY CCP!
IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!!
/signed
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Adour
The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2008.02.02 06:02:00 -
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Please stop this. Eve is incredibly well balanced considering its complexity and despite what those who want instant gratification and a 'do everything' ship say. The Diemos is a niche ship, like almost every other ship out there. You take a risk, it pays off or it doesn't... Occasionally with good skills, and the right target, you kill things that EFT syas you shouldn't; it is not broken so please don't fix it.
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Arkios Odymei
Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.02 06:39:00 -
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Edited by: Arkios Odymei on 02/02/2008 06:41:31
Originally by: Hunter Vonnegut HEY CCP!
IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!
This.
if you really need to ad a mid slot, Dont take away the desperately needed low slot. Take away the useless small nos highslot.
Im meh about losing the mwd cap bonus for the rep bonus. its cap is being booseted anyways, so its not really losing much there. Unless the ship gets more PG, its gonna be interesting trying to fit a MAR + Cap Injector + Neutrons (hell even Ions).
I just dont like losing the Low slot. ------------------------------------------------------------------
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General StarScream
Borg Collective hive mind
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Posted - 2008.02.02 06:40:00 -
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Ye they are tottal ******s, they making every race and ship class the same with just diffrent layout and wepons system.
EVE should be about team work and using all the races in a gang to make the most out of each races special ability.
this is like Getting Jessica alba and Rick Muleg in the same room, then make a sex change on em to make em more the type you like. Please resize signature to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
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Daan Sai
HAZCON Inc Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.02 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Fendahl Deimos:
Slots: 6/4/5 (+1 med, -1 low) Capacitor capacity: 1625.0en (+250en) Bonuses: 5% bonus to medium hybrid turret damage per Gallente Cruiser level (no change) 7.5% bonus to armor repair amount per Gallente Cruiser level (replaces the MWD capacitor penalty reduction) The above mentioned changes to the Deimos and Zealot allow them to better compete on even term with other close range HACs, such as the Sacrilege.
I sort of see where you are gogin with this, but wouldn't this wreck a lot of lowslot tank setups? Would it be bad to just add a mid?
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Kane Darkstar
Caldari Fukumaden
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Posted - 2008.02.02 08:11:00 -
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Wow just Wow
I don't understand the point of these changes. I have been flying the Deimos for awhile now and it was fine as it is. It was made to be a close up all or nothing gank ship. With a passive setup. Trying to make it a active tank setup on it is just fail imho. It has cap issues as it is and the armor is two thin for active tanking that one rep is nothing.
And why loose the low for the mid?
If they want to add a midslot I think they should just move that hardly used last highslot and stick that as a med slot instead of the other way around.
Please think about it CCP this seems like a bad change not to mention it's slot lay out now will but like all the rest of the hacs more or less. There is not enough verity in the ships layouts as it is. Please reconsider CCP the ship just got fixed to to the point where people started to use it.
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Spike 68
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.02.02 09:15:00 -
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Edited by: Spike 68 on 02/02/2008 09:19:23 Its funny, the dev blog mentions how this is a boost but in actuality it would hurt most deimos a lot.
Taking a low away hurts its dmg quite a bit, on my setup anyway, and considering a well fit deimos wont have capacitor issues a mid slot cap injector wont help much. Also a medium cap injector will not fit on most deimos setups to begin with.
Next consider the optimal way to boost a deimos' tank, it has about 2600 armor, tbh id put a plate on there before I would want a rep bonus.
If the deimos really has issues with the new zealot then let the deimos keep the 6th low, or simply don't boost the zealot.
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MOS DEF
0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.02.02 09:22:00 -
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Someone tell zulupark that 800mm plates keep hacs alive nowadays - NOT reppers. Quite funny change considering that this makes the deimos a worse tank then it was in most cases. Rep bonus is neat for 1 on 1 situations. Now how often do we get these nowadays?
Same goes for the zealot: 5th turrets is very cool. Only problem is that you cannot fit one with a setup that wont die to a wet towel.
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Schani Kratnorr
Internal Revenue Service
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Posted - 2008.02.02 09:30:00 -
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If the current trend in rebalancing continues all ships will end up having four high, four mid and four low slots. All resists will be the same on both shield and armor, and all weapons will be carbon copies.
I dont fly the deimos myself, but I cant say I approve of the constant tinckering, it upsets an increasingly larger number of people, and only moves another ship up to the number one spot, where it stays until it is changed.
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Fifi LeFume
Griefers Inc. Notoriety Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.02 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Hunter Vonnegut HEY CCP!
IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!!
/signed
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Hunter Vonnegut
In terrorem KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.02 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Hunter Vonnegut HEY CCP!
IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!!
I think this should become our new mantra for the direction CCP is going with this game.
I am sure you could ask a 3 month old empire carebear that has only begun to grasp the finer details of EVE. And he or she could come up with a list as long as their arms of bugs and other crap that your attention could be directed towards. So for gods sake leave the ship tweaking alone.
Why dont you guys fix the map or something useful.
Think about it. A well fit deimos with decent hac and gunnery skills will knock the crap out of almost anything, except for maybe a crazy passive tanked broadsword (think about that for a minute). Engaging anything is always going to be a gamble but that is the way it's supposed to be. Adding this stupid rep bonus and removing the lows pretty much forces you to make this a more tank less gank ship, and if that is the case why not fly a brutix or an astarte. That what we have those ships for. Quit homginizing all my ships!! PLEASE!!!
Im trained solely to fly Gallentee ships and every little tweak you guys have made in the past few months has made my choices of ships shrink every time.
I swear the next thing to happen is that you are going to remove the drone bay from my velator, and that will be the last straw.
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Johan Quinn
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Posted - 2008.02.02 09:51:00 -
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POintless change to Deimos. Leave it!
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.02 09:58:00 -
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Just give it the 4th mid slot and leave it the hell alone. OR TAKE A HIGH SLOT. That crappy nos/cloak****ging/salvager lulz slot.
Take it from the Phobos, its bastard vibrator clone brother.
I think it is pretty cool that a Phobos needs 3 mids to fit mwd/web/injector but got 4 for lulz and the Deimos had to be turned into a thorax to get the same luxury...
A 4th mid for the Deimos would be great for some setups, but leave its bonus's and low slots alone... jesus... i think most Deimos pilots have learned to live without a cap injector and would probably just fit dual webs or something really random like an ECM burst. (the cap bonus allowed for this, doesn't that work out nicely? your predecessors were not idiots.)
It has trouble fitting big guns already ok? we know this yes?
So trying to pack on a med cap injector would pretty much screw the ships damage output yes?
So it would not be overpowered correct?
And tanking bonus... my god... even on the Brutix i feel like its a waste when I'm trying to do any damage at all, I have very little tank... on a Deimos i sometimes run a medium rep, sometimes only a small for post fight patch ups.
PLEASE DON'T KILL THIS SHIP.
As has been stated... with rails it sucks, with blasters it is the balls to the walls all or nothing gank hac. Currently I don't think the Deimos is in need of a Nerf, it isn't even the FOTM by a long way...
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.02 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zana Kito Get rid of useless high slots, nobody uses NOS anymore after its been horribly nerfed.
A 5/4/6 deimos is the perfect HAC for close range gank. Get rid of the repair bonus, it doesn't belong there. This ship is about firepower.
A 6/4/5 deimos is a horribly gimped version of a brutix.
Agreeing with this.
Even with 2 grid rigs I doubt the deimos would be overpowered just by having an extra mid slot.
As I said before, I'd probably go with a second web or some kind of ECM... maybe a tracking computer, though I have only started to use the Deimos recently due to wallet issues I am a long term thorax lover... these changes make me sad.
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Darth Natus
Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2008.02.02 10:04:00 -
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i just dont get it. deimos is all about damage, not tanking ability. u negate the damage by forcing an injector fit and thus ruining the fittings, u add an injector slot to try to cover up the loss of mwd bonus (mwd bonus did the job better on a decent fit deimos imho), and replace the mwd bonus with a rep bonus, which u cancel out with the loss of low slot. wtf?
The deimos is a damage ship, and is naturally a plated passive tank, thus the rep bonus is useless. if u want a tanking thorax, u buy a phobos. and if u want a thorax for damage, you now buy a brutix.
the deimos is now the runt of the litter again. well done. PLZ dont make that change live on tq!
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Raimo
Gallente Blue.
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Posted - 2008.02.02 10:44:00 -
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I don't fly the Deimos yet, but being a Thorax user I was going to start toyng with Deimoses soon enough, was looking forward to it... But I won't bother if this change goes live. Might skip Gall Cruiser V for now TBH.
CCP, please improve the UI and make it customizable with more assignable key commands! |
Sorien Marutor
The X-Trading Company Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.02.02 10:48:00 -
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I don't like this change at all!
I guess now that Lachesis, Arazu, Deimos, Eos, Nosdomi and Ishtar are nerfed (some of them to death) i need to train the close to overpowered Minmatar.
Thanks CCP for your well reconsidered balance decisions.
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Darth Natus
Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2008.02.02 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sorien Marutor I don't like this change at all!
I guess now that Lachesis, Arazu, Deimos, Eos, Nosdomi and Ishtar are nerfed (some of them to death) i need to train the close to overpowered Minmatar.
Thanks CCP for your well reconsidered balance decisions.
dont forget the myrm
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Grytok
moon7empler Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:08:00 -
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I've tried a few setups for the Deimos on SiSi, but whatever I do (Plates or Resists) the Deimos just can't be tanked with only 5 low-slots.
Leave it as it is pretty pls. Damage is much more tank for this ship, then a MAR II or a 800mm RT.
CapBooster 800's run out pretty fast, if you're running a Rep + 5 Blaster + Scram/Web as you only have room for 7 or 8 of those. .
CCP gave us shiny new graphics. Too bad they removed Anti Aliasing for me :\ |
A'esma Daeva
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:18:00 -
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Deimos aint broken so please dont fix. |
Tes Quin
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Posted - 2008.02.02 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Hunter Vonnegut HEY CCP!
IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!!
seriously, if you think it needs more tank, taking away a tanking slot is a bit weird. if you feel the need for a cap booster, remove one high as suggested here. -- Artillery is the God of War |
Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.02.02 12:05:00 -
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Please dont "fix" a ship that isnt broken
if anything swop the high for the mid slot. |
Y3R M4W
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Posted - 2008.02.02 12:20:00 -
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Deimos is one of the few starts I've never thought could make good use of a cap booster.
Problem here is with 5 lows it's never gonna tank better than a Brutix whilst having less dps, since there'll be less room for damage mods.
As I see it the best change would be the utility high slot for a med, keeping the 6th low, since a cap booster obsoletes any need for nos (although admitedly a neut would be interesting).
Note: YER MAW! is Scottish for Your Mother. |
Inturist
Nuclear Reactor Inc Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.02 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Hunter Vonnegut HEY CCP!
IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!!
/signed --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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