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Ioci Gallente Ioci Exploration	Posted - 2008.02.27 10:18:00 - [1] Anyone from the Bee band have an explanation? I don't know if I should be hating you or thanking you. Maybe it took you guys to go squish the macro miners. If I had more ISK'ies I would help out!
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.02.27 10:21:00 - [2] I think the forum section you're looking for is CAOD. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.02.27 10:40:00 - [3] news item, look ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Xykanth Roldeir	Posted - 2008.02.27 10:52:00 - [4] Maybe you should look at jihadswarm.com I've only briefly glanced it over but it looks like goons have been ganking Exumers pretty heavily recently. Granted I don't know if they were macro miners or not, but it was interesting to see.
Kyoto Luyi MX3 Development Zzz	Posted - 2008.02.27 10:55:00 - [5] They weren't macrominers, it's just goons out playing silly buggers in hisec. It doesn't cost them anything (T1 ship - plat insured) so they can suicide easy targets (Exhumers and barges and indys) and get their jollies that way. Apparently BoB are too tough for them so they've run to empire...
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.02.27 10:59:00 - [6] Originally by: Kyoto Luyi Apparently BoB are too tough for them so they've run to empire... That's like saying Eve is too tough for you so you ran to the forums. I sincerely doubt Goonswarm in its entirety is in empire, or indeed that this has anything to do with their conflicts elsewhere.
Kyoto Luyi MX3 Development Zzz	Posted - 2008.02.27 11:01:00 - [7] Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad That's like saying Eve is too tough for you so you ran to the forums. /fail No it isn't actually. My CEO wishes it made known that the views or opinions I express are solely my own and do not reflect those of my Corporation or Alliance.. Oh, and I'm NOT allowed in CAOD either :)
Xykanth Roldeir	Posted - 2008.02.27 11:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Kyoto Luyi They weren't macrominers, it's just goons out playing silly buggers in hisec. It doesn't cost them anything (T1 ship - plat insured) so they can suicide easy targets (Exhumers and barges and indys) and get their jollies that way. Apparently BoB are too tough for them so they've run to empire... Sounds like typical goon behavior.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.02.27 11:13:00 - [9] If you have a combat character and some friends with guns, you might want to consider sending a bait mining barge or two towards a known hot-spot for this sort of thing. If fit right, the barge will not get destroyed and you can have some fun pew-pew revenge. Just food for thought. To be honest, I'm not even sure if that works in high-sec... --- Join BH-DL Skills
Dai Nau Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 11:14:00 - [10] yeah I have an explanation
Jack Jombardo Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.27 11:15:00 - [11] CCP should realy stop this real religion fanatic behaviors and swing the ban-club against every single player who uses it!
Dai Nau Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 11:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Jack Jombardo CCP should realy stop this real religion fanatic behaviors and swing the ban-club against every single player who uses it! allah will punish you for your insolence allahu ackbar
Jack Jombardo Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.27 11:27:00 - [13] Originally by: Dai Nau Originally by: Jack Jombardo CCP should realy stop this real religion fanatic behaviors and swing the ban-club against every single player who uses it! allah will punish you for your insolence allahu ackbar I'm an "Atheist" and so ... it's equal to me. BUT it's sad anough to see every second day some suicid bombers killing hundrets of civilian people in the name of *insert random god" and so SHUT UP! @CCP, stop this behavior!
Xyn Rhais Minmatar Tessaract	Posted - 2008.02.27 11:32:00 - [14] They're just doing it to restore morale (and some isk) after they lost the momentum in the south war. Most regular goons are probably tired of being in a serious buisness alliance with serious losses in what now looks like a long war where people get to boss them around at odd hours and stuff. The few goons i know are a terribly anarchic and drama-prone bunch (although likeable in their own way :) ), so the leadership probably decided it's time to organise some fun for them before the discontent gets out of hand. So they're sortof going back to their roots, flying cheap stuff en masse getting pubbies angry for kicks as they used to when they just started. At least that's my view of it. Or if you want the short version: "goons will be goons".
Dai Nau Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 11:38:00 - [15] lol
Kalica Kahn GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 11:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Jack Jombardo Originally by: Dai Nau Originally by: Jack Jombardo CCP should realy stop this real religion fanatic behaviors and swing the ban-club against every single player who uses it! allah will punish you for your insolence allahu ackbar I'm an "Atheist" and so ... it's equal to me. BUT it's sad anough to see every second day some suicid bombers killing hundrets of civilian people in the name of *insert random god" and so SHUT UP! @CCP, stop this behavior! Haha it's people like you that make me proud to be a goon, and eager to join my brosefs in the Jihad Your pubbie tears taste so sweet mmmm
Meirre K'Tun Helios Incorporated Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.27 11:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Dai Nau This post has been cleared of inappropriate content. Regards, The EVE Online Moderation team ackbar? It's a trap!
Kaaii Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.27 11:51:00 - [18] I wouldn't call it a rampage...more, of a temper tantrum... According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Myros Glimmbrand Ganja Co	Posted - 2008.02.27 11:55:00 - [19] Edited by: Myros Glimmbrand on 27/02/2008 11:55:04 Given this article on wired: http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/nations-spies-w.html It seems to me they are going to have a field day when they come to EVE ;p Myros CEO Ganja Co
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 11:57:00 - [20] New Eden must be cleansed of the infidels! Let the holy fire sweep them into the Eve Gate! Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
eWrath Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation The Omni Federation	Posted - 2008.02.27 11:57:00 - [21] Making fun of different people's beliefs/culture/religion is serious business, mmkay? ----- Beware miners with guns!
Lindsay Fox Disciples of Comus	Posted - 2008.02.27 12:00:00 - [22] Just the surest sign yet that the war in the south is turning into a rout against them. I can barely contain my glee :)
Lelu Tarkenton	Posted - 2008.02.27 12:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Lindsay Fox Just the surest sign yet that the war in the south is turning into a rout against them. I can barely contain my glee :) Haven't they taken most of the southern part of EvE already? That seems relatively far from a rout.
Alyssi Milano	Posted - 2008.02.27 12:12:00 - [24] Wow got to admire the skill and tenacity of blowing up Mining Barges in High sec dont you? I dont mind folk having fun but blowing up people minding there own business is in poor taste imho. People like to mine - they pay $15 a month to do so. CCP takes the cash then gives these peeps some colum inches. I personally regard this in poor taste - mayve I am wrong who knows but thats my opinion. Fly Safe Hulk Dudes, Alyssi.
Nasty eX	Posted - 2008.02.27 12:41:00 - [25] Personally, I'm very offended by the talk of Jihad that Goonswarm and its corps are ranting about on local. As a proud American, I'm hurt by how easy that very strong word gets used. I have not forgot 9/11, and neither should anyone else in the free world. Just like the terrorist's back on that horrible day, the Goonswarm and all their associated corps have cowardly attacked miners in high sec with nothing to loose. Then they spout off religious rants in local forcing their beliefs on their victims. I for one will not follow nor tolerate it. In fact, when my time card runs out, I will be cancelling my subscription until CCP does something to stop what is going on. If I were associated with the Goons in any way, I would be hanging my head in shame on what my fellow Alliance members were doing. Show some balls, stop ganking miners. Any noob can pop a mining ship, show me your real stats and fight a real war without having to hide like the cowards that you are now. Next thing you'll be doing is can baiting the noobs. Just a bunch of wusses in my opinion.
Dana Foxworth Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.27 12:47:00 - [26] Originally by: Nasty eX Personally, I'm very offended by the talk of Jihad that Goonswarm and its corps are ranting about on local. As a proud American, I'm hurt by how easy that very strong word gets used. I have not forgot 9/11, and neither should anyone else in the free world. Just like the terrorist's back on that horrible day, the Goonswarm and all their associated corps have cowardly attacked miners in high sec with nothing to loose. Then they spout off religious rants in local forcing their beliefs on their victims. I for one will not follow nor tolerate it. In fact, when my time card runs out, I will be cancelling my subscription until CCP does something to stop what is going on. If I were associated with the Goons in any way, I would be hanging my head in shame on what my fellow Alliance members were doing. Show some balls, stop ganking miners. Any noob can pop a mining ship, show me your real stats and fight a real war without having to hide like the cowards that you are now. Next thing you'll be doing is can baiting the noobs. Just a bunch of wusses in my opinion. Goon troll alt spotted. SACK
Lao Dok Monolith Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.27 12:55:00 - [27] I'm really interested how the mineral market wil develope when Goons keep doin their thing :). /me sees a glowing sign: "Funny times ahead"
brainball GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 13:51:00 - [28] Originally by: Lao Dok I'm really interested how the mineral market wil develope when Goons keep doin their thing :). /me sees a glowing sign: "Funny times ahead" isk and hulk prices are up since the holy assault commenced. Its actually quite fun to suicide a ship into the macrominers and other carebearing infidels.
Lao Dok Monolith Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.27 13:59:00 - [29] Originally by: brainball Originally by: Lao Dok I'm really interested how the mineral market wil develope when Goons keep doin their thing :). /me sees a glowing sign: "Funny times ahead" isk and hulk prices are up since the holy assault commenced. Its actually quite fun to suicide a ship into the macrominers and other carebearing infidels. GOOD!! That should create a new market.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:09:00 - [30] Go to Motsu and start suicide-ganking CNRs instead 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Nasty eX	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:14:00 - [31] Originally by: brainball Its actually quite fun to suicide a ship into the macrominers and other carebearing infidels. There you go, yet another gutless comment by a gutless coward. These guys are frail to say the least, with no courage or self worth, not even a worth for the greater good. They are mere pests on the general universe of Eve Online, and for CCP to allow them to use "Jihad" and "Infidels" would suggest that it would be fine for people to start using other anti-social comments freely. And, for the record, this is an alt. For I am in an Alliance that is blue to Goon, but in shame I will not post under my real characters name because of their recent cowardly actions. There is talk among many about seperating themselves from Goon because of all this...
RedlegSA Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:15:00 - [32] The explanation is quite simple, a prophet of the Amarr god - Kartoon - peace be upon him - has told us this is the will of the Amarr god - peace be upon him. These events are precipitated by the unbeliever and apostate population of empire, all you must do is follow the will of the Amarr god and slaughter all those who use the wicked hulk and mackinaw - doing so will give you salvation with the Amarr god.
Nasty eX	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:19:00 - [33] Originally by: Akita T Go to Motsu and start suicide-ganking CNRs instead They never would, cause they know they would get owned!!! See, that's the key here, they pick on the ship types that are weak. A direct reflection on who they are in real life I suppose. That's how the spineless work... So, in light of this, Goonfleet = Spineless? Math sounds right to me!
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:27:00 - [34] Originally by: Nasty eX Originally by: brainball Its actually quite fun to suicide a ship into the macrominers and other carebearing infidels. There you go, yet another gutless comment by a gutless coward. These guys are frail to say the least, with no courage or self worth, not even a worth for the greater good. They are mere pests on the general universe of Eve Online, and for CCP to allow them to use "Jihad" and "Infidels" would suggest that it would be fine for people to start using other anti-social comments freely. And, for the record, this is an alt. For I am in an Alliance that is blue to Goon, but in shame I will not post under my real characters name because of their recent cowardly actions. There is talk among many about seperating themselves from Goon because of all this... usually people are really happy when macro miners are killed. what's your deal?
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:27:00 - [35] Originally by: RedlegSA The explanation is quite simple, a prophet of the Amarr god - Kartoon - peace be upon him - has told us this is the will of the Amarr god - peace be upon him. These events are precipitated by the unbeliever and apostate population of empire, all you must do is follow the will of the Amarr god and slaughter all those who use the wicked hulk and mackinaw - doing so will give you salvation with the Amarr god. You have clearly misinterpreted the line "There is no creation without destruction." -------- Ideas for: Mining Clouds
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:27:00 - [36] Edited by: Kerfira on 27/02/2008 14:28:56 Originally by: Nasty eX Originally by: brainball Its actually quite fun to suicide a ship into the macrominers and other carebearing infidels. There you go, yet another gutless comment by a gutless coward. There's nothing wrong with suicide gankings in EVE as CCP has often said. It's part of the game (ref. my sig). What IS wrong is that its essentially free to do so! The insurance system atm is so fubahr'd that ISK'wise it is close to free to do so. While I don't like goons (at all), in this case they're just using a hole in game mechanics left wide open by CCP for a long time. I actually applaud it since the more this hole gets used, the more likely it is that CCP will do something about it. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:37:00 - [37] At the risk of being shot as a spy I'll give the real explanation. A Goon who manufactures Hulks posted a challenge to Goons (with a reward) to kill as many Hulks as possible in the specific regions where he sells his ships. And Goons being what they are (gods bless them), they jumped on it like good little bees.
Nasty eX	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:42:00 - [38] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Nasty eX Originally by: brainball Its actually quite fun to suicide a ship into the macrominers and other carebearing infidels. There you go, yet another gutless comment by a gutless coward. These guys are frail to say the least, with no courage or self worth, not even a worth for the greater good. They are mere pests on the general universe of Eve Online, and for CCP to allow them to use "Jihad" and "Infidels" would suggest that it would be fine for people to start using other anti-social comments freely. And, for the record, this is an alt. For I am in an Alliance that is blue to Goon, but in shame I will not post under my real characters name because of their recent cowardly actions. There is talk among many about seperating themselves from Goon because of all this... usually people are really happy when macro miners are killed. what's your deal? Hey, I'm all for nuking a Macro of any type. I've dropped a few smarties on some Mack's myself in the past whom I thought were using Macro's. The fact remains, you don't know if someone is using a Macro or not, unless your actually looking over their shoulder. I know many peeps that have 2, 3, or even 4 accounts and they AFK mine while doing other stuff with the other chars they have logged on. Every 30 minutes or so, they rinse and repeat the cycle of mining. Some might mistake that as a Macro (I did in the past), but they are infact not using a Macro at all. A few of my friends that sit at computers all day at work actually run miners. Why not make a few ISK while at work? The problem is these Goon cowards are not targetting Macro miners, anything that is easy is what they are going after. There is no skill in what they are doing, any noob with 3 months game time could pull this off easily. Sad part is CCP will only step in when it hits their bottom line in sales...
Nasty eX	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:45:00 - [39] Originally by: Reem Fairchild At the risk of being shot as a spy I'll give the real explanation. A Goon who manufactures Hulks posted a challenge to Goons (with a reward) to kill as many Hulks as possible in the specific regions where he sells his ships. And Goons being what they are (gods bless them), they jumped on it like good little bees. Ummm, if that is true, wouldn't that be an exploit of the market in some way? I also seen someone post a while back that the insurance payout on a Hulk is extremely low compared to its actual cost. I cannot fly one, so I cannot say for certain.
brainball GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:59:00 - [40] Originally by: Nasty eX There you go, yet another gutless comment by a gutless coward. These guys are frail to say the least, with no courage or self worth, not even a worth for the greater good. They are mere pests on the general universe of Eve Online, and for CCP to allow them to use "Jihad" and "Infidels" would suggest that it would be fine for people to start using other anti-social comments freely. And, for the record, this is an alt. For I am in an Alliance that is blue to Goon, but in shame I will not post under my real characters name because of their recent cowardly actions. There is talk among many about seperating themselves from Goon because of all this... Isnt it ironic that you are talking about cowardism and gutlesness while hiding behind an alt to post.
Nasty eX	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:04:00 - [41] Originally by: brainball Originally by: Nasty eX There you go, yet another gutless comment by a gutless coward. These guys are frail to say the least, with no courage or self worth, not even a worth for the greater good. They are mere pests on the general universe of Eve Online, and for CCP to allow them to use "Jihad" and "Infidels" would suggest that it would be fine for people to start using other anti-social comments freely. And, for the record, this is an alt. For I am in an Alliance that is blue to Goon, but in shame I will not post under my real characters name because of their recent cowardly actions. There is talk among many about seperating themselves from Goon because of all this... Isnt it ironic that you are talking about cowardism and gutlesness while hiding behind an alt to post. I hide behind this alt because of your coward actions. I don't want to be associated in any way with Goon because of this, I have a very good reputation in Eve and will continue to protect my good name. Its called Honor, something I doubt you have any idea of what that's about.
Dramund Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:10:00 - [42] Originally by: Reem Fairchild At the risk of being shot as a spy I'll give the real explanation. A Goon who manufactures Hulks posted a challenge to Goons (with a reward) to kill as many Hulks as possible in the specific regions where he sells his ships. And Goons being what they are (gods bless them), they jumped on it like good little bees. Hahahaha how EVE should be played IMO. Nice idea from the manufacturer.
Euriti Gallente Black Podding	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:14:00 - [43] Originally by: Nasty eX Originally by: brainball Originally by: Nasty eX There you go, yet another gutless comment by a gutless coward. These guys are frail to say the least, with no courage or self worth, not even a worth for the greater good. They are mere pests on the general universe of Eve Online, and for CCP to allow them to use "Jihad" and "Infidels" would suggest that it would be fine for people to start using other anti-social comments freely. And, for the record, this is an alt. For I am in an Alliance that is blue to Goon, but in shame I will not post under my real characters name because of their recent cowardly actions. There is talk among many about seperating themselves from Goon because of all this... Isnt it ironic that you are talking about cowardism and gutlesness while hiding behind an alt to post. We're playing a computer game. Stop taking it so ******* serious and stop comparing everything to the real world and feel offended by it. They're having a good time, let them ffs. I hide behind this alt because of your coward actions. I don't want to be associated in any way with Goon because of this, I have a very good reputation in Eve and will continue to protect my good name. Its called Honor, something I doubt you have any idea of what that's about.
Kuseka Adama Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:14:00 - [44] So they basically are doing what pirates and bastards all across this game have been doing since its conception. Honestly who gives a flying ** this is SOP in eve. I am surprised as serious as people take this game that computers haven't been destroyed and people haven't tried uploading viruses. Its boneheaded, worthless, and does nothing other than ** with a legitimate game aspect. Another day in eve. Goonswarm just proves they are as bad as the privateers before they got nerfed to hell. It also tells me one other thing. No one will ever win the zero sec war. The majority of eve loses either way as both sides are controled by the biggest bastards the game has.
Bane Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:15:00 - [45] we have this gank brutix
Dramund Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:19:00 - [46] Originally by: Kuseka Adama So they basically are doing what pirates and bastards all across this game have been doing since its conception. Honestly who gives a flying ** this is SOP in eve. I am surprised as serious as people take this game that computers haven't been destroyed and people haven't tried uploading viruses. Its boneheaded, worthless, and does nothing other than with a legitimate game aspect. Another day in eve. Goonswarm just proves they are as bad as the privateers before they got nerfed to hell. It also tells me one other thing. No one will ever win the zero sec war. The majority of eve loses either way as both sides are controled by the biggest bastards the game has. Excuse me sir but your post seems self-contradictory. You have to take the game pretty seriously to truly identify players as "bastards." Just think of how **-boring EVE would be without them.
Euriti Gallente Black Podding	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:20:00 - [47] Originally by: Dramund Originally by: Kuseka Adama So they basically are doing what pirates and bastards all across this game have been doing since its conception. Honestly who gives a flying ** this is SOP in eve. I am surprised as serious as people take this game that computers haven't been destroyed and people haven't tried uploading viruses. Its boneheaded, worthless, and does nothing other than with a legitimate game aspect. Another day in eve. Goonswarm just proves they are as bad as the privateers before they got nerfed to hell. It also tells me one other thing. No one will ever win the zero sec war. The majority of eve loses either way as both sides are controled by the biggest bastards the game has. We'd all be glaring at rocks. Excuse me sir but your post seems self-contradictory. You have to take the game pretty seriously to truly identify players as "bastards." Just think of how **-boring EVE would be without them.
RedlegSA Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:22:00 - [48] your hulks and mackinaws die now
Kuseka Adama Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:26:00 - [49] Originally by: Dramund Originally by: Kuseka Adama So they basically are doing what pirates and bastards all across this game have been doing since its conception. Honestly who gives a flying ** this is SOP in eve. I am surprised as serious as people take this game that computers haven't been destroyed and people haven't tried uploading viruses. Its boneheaded, worthless, and does nothing other than with a legitimate game aspect. Another day in eve. Goonswarm just proves they are as bad as the privateers before they got nerfed to hell. It also tells me one other thing. No one will ever win the zero sec war. The majority of eve loses either way as both sides are controled by the biggest bastards the game has. Excuse me sir but your post seems self-contradictory. You have to take the game pretty seriously to truly identify players as "bastards." Just think of how **-boring EVE would be without them. Nope. I keep in mind two things. I only pay 15 dollars a month and i deal in things far more important than this. Yes like most I like being good at the games i play. But trust me i dont take this anywhere near as seriously as others do. Oh and for the record. If i choose to i can and do curse like a drunken sailor. Bastard is weak for what i typically throw around on other forums. I tone down the language for eve and other moderated forums. Like i said before its just another day eve.
Nasty eX	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:27:00 - [50] Originally by: RedlegSA your hulks and mackinaws die now Oh, your so tough, aren't you? OMG, a coward speaks again telling the world how much of a tough guy he is by taking out a Hulk or Mack. I pity your children... What a fine example of a human being you must be to them...NOT!
Prism Roze	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:29:00 - [51] Originally by: Nasty eX Originally by: Reem Fairchild At the risk of being shot as a spy I'll give the real explanation. A Goon who manufactures Hulks posted a challenge to Goons (with a reward) to kill as many Hulks as possible in the specific regions where he sells his ships. And Goons being what they are (gods bless them), they jumped on it like good little bees. Ummm, if that is true, wouldn't that be an exploit of the market in some way? I also seen someone post a while back that the insurance payout on a Hulk is extremely low compared to its actual cost. I cannot fly one, so I cannot say for certain. One day I saw that Module X was selling for much less than I deemed it's value to be. So I bought every under-priced one up within 3 regions, and listed them all for triple their old price. Every so often someone tries to undercut me, so I just buy out their stock and sell it for my price instead. True Story.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:29:00 - [52] Originally by: Nasty eX Originally by: Reem Fairchild At the risk of being shot as a spy I'll give the real explanation. A Goon who manufactures Hulks posted a challenge to Goons (with a reward) to kill as many Hulks as possible in the specific regions where he sells his ships. And Goons being what they are (gods bless them), they jumped on it like good little bees. Ummm, if that is true, wouldn't that be an exploit of the market in some way? I also seen someone post a while back that the insurance payout on a Hulk is extremely low compared to its actual cost. I cannot fly one, so I cannot say for certain. No exploits there, just very shrewd and ruthless bussiness practices. However, I really doubt it's going to matter all that much for his bottom line, since the way invention works means the more the price tends to go up, the more inventors are likely to pick up on it, and the end-price remains roughly the same, with only a minimal increase. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:31:00 - [53] Originally by: Nasty eX Personally, I'm very offended by the talk of Jihad that Goonswarm and its corps are ranting about on local. As a proud American, I'm hurt by how easy that very strong word gets used. I have not forgot 9/11, and neither should anyone else in the free world. Just like the terrorist's back on that horrible day, the Goonswarm and all their associated corps have cowardly attacked miners in high sec with nothing to loose. Then they spout off religious rants in local forcing their beliefs on their victims. I for one will not follow nor tolerate it. In fact, when my time card runs out, I will be cancelling my subscription until CCP does something to stop what is going on. If I were associated with the Goons in any way, I would be hanging my head in shame on what my fellow Alliance members were doing. Show some balls, stop ganking miners. Any noob can pop a mining ship, show me your real stats and fight a real war without having to hide like the cowards that you are now. Next thing you'll be doing is can baiting the noobs. Just a bunch of wusses in my opinion. Remember, offensive language in local is against EULA. If you see it, petition it. ThatÆs what really gets goons hot is when they banned for being goons and they are at a very short leash from CCP at the moment. DonÆt quit the game, thatÆs what they want. Fight back.
Alz Shado Ever Flow	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:32:00 - [54] Originally by: Akita T No exploits there, just very shrewd and ruthless bussiness practices. However, I really doubt it's going to matter all that much for his bottom line, since the way invention works means the more the price tends to go up, the more inventors are likely to pick up on it, and the end-price remains roughly the same, with only a minimal increase. A smart businessman wouldn't just be selling Hulks but also the kits the suicide pilots use, at a modest profit.
Kuseka Adama Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:33:00 - [55] The plain fact is anyone in eve can do the same if they chose. I really don't see what the problem is other than true rookies getting hit for nothing more than playing the way they want to. People do this every day just because its Goonswarm everyone seems to be freaking out about it. Where the heck are you people when people in NPC corps do this? Where the heck are you people when high sec pirates decide to hit these targets? Whats the point of singling out the swarm when there are a hell of a lot of people already who do this on a daily basis?
Schani Kratnorr Internal Revenue Service	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:35:00 - [56] The "problem" is one of scale really. The game mechanics allow for attacks in so-called "secure space", but the defences dont scale very well. A few ships blown up here and there serve to remind everyone that EVE is not a safe place. Once a trend develops however, there is nothing stopping a larger group of players doing whatever they want... even in empire space. These are the facts: Shooting at someone makes you a pirate - this was established early in EVE history Wanting to be left alone makes you a carebear - if you dont like it, start shooting Most players are both carebear and pirate - everyone is involved in making the tools of warfare, don't deny it. No player can proove that any other player is cheating, that is up to the referee to decide The interesting bit is not one of outrage directed at the re-inventor of ganking stuff. It is a question of adressing the needs of many versus the desires of a few. Is it fair to allow ganking, and if so, what penalties should apply? It has been suggested that insurance is voided for people who get blown up by CONCORD. Some have even gone as far as call for an all out deactivation of weapon-modules in 0.5 - 1.0 systems. Some backstory, and history Some years ago some people got together and decided to exploit a weakness in CONCORD defences. While not technically an exploit, they were able to sit unopposed in Yulai (the #1 hub back then) and blow up hundreds of ships and pods. The point is, that players had been doing it a while before Zombie Inc. decided to "go for broke", but once taken to the next level, it became a problem - in terms of where the game was heading. (A sidenote. As I recall, seven players were banned because they refused to obay the GM who told them to "stop it".) Now, back to present time... My point is that even though the game allows you to do something, doesn't mean you should get all your friends and go do it. And finally, some bile! (You can skip this part if you want) What remains hidden is the motive of the current purpetrator. I cannot help but notice that this latest GS-stunt, has coincided with the "report" feature finally starting to work. GS posters are learning the hard way that these forums also have rules, and they are so paranoid about it that they think it's BoB doing all the reporting. For the record, I have reported posts, and I know others have. It seems even shudder non-BoB players think there's a limit to what should be allowed to pass as a "post". Perhaps many GS members feel the rest of us "don't get them", and they have decided to show us empire-dwelling plebs how to play EVE. But please GS. Suiciding is so 2003, and references to twisted real-world religius nutters are so 2001. We all play EVE and pay for it... ONCE. You all get to pay twice. Once to CCP, and once to SA forums... Maybe it's all you elitist, doublefee-paying and anti-social newbies that "don't get" EVE? Or maybe you all run on game time codes I dont know
Everyone Dies Caldari Lucky Tampon	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:03:00 - [57] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr worthless rant Goonswarm are trying bring back fun to eve without them eve wouldn't be much so stfu.
Twin blade Minmatar The Triangle Exa Nation	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:08:00 - [58] Oh man Will you girl's Stop crying all ready its a game get over it so what if the goons are having some fun ganking Hulks most are likey to be marco miner's any way. If its ture and they are doing it to sell Hulks good on them thats some good market pvp. Death is great rember where all dying to get there.
faxtarious Kai-Zen inc.	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:24:00 - [59] hey goonies..why not pull that same stunt on mission runners... then you'd see how nasty TRUE carebears can get
Brisco Smiley Peppermint Bay Trading Company	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:33:00 - [60] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr references to twisted real-world religius nutters are so 2001. Religious nutters are timeless, and satire is an exceptionally powerful rhetorical device. I didn't come to this thread with the intention of hijacking it and flying it into a hi-sec POS, but seeing someone issue a fatwah against mining barges is only offensive to people who fear the future. There is something about freedom of information and the power and subtlety of the Truth that we can only learn by doing. This is as true and as powerful in life as it is in the tubes. Laugh more, cry less, and make your enemies look stupid. Cheers, Brisco Smiley
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:39:00 - [61] Originally by: faxtarious hey goonies..why not pull that same stunt on mission runners... then you'd see how nasty TRUE carebears can get We are letting Tri take care of the mission runners we are focusing on the miners.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:40:00 - [62] This thread needs more honorable alt posts
xar bob	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:42:00 - [63] just checked out their gankboard - seems they dont like going into .8 or higher :) as for the hulk rampage just grow up ffs goonswarm yet again proves that when they cant handle the heat they have an eppie fit in empire - look at us look at us were real hard we are ROFLMAO
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:43:00 - [64] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin This thread needs more horrible posts
xar bob	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:45:00 - [65] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Marcus TheMartin This thread needs more horrible posts lol goon need to GROW THE FK UP
Red Desire	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:46:00 - [66] Originally by: Nasty eX ......................................... The problem is these Goon cowards are not targetting Macro miners, anything that is easy is what they are going after. There is no skill in what they are doing, any noob with 3 months game time could pull this off easily. Sad part is CCP will only step in when it hits their bottom line in sales... You obviously have no idea who Goons are : 1. Their behavior in Eve is a rebel one,they try to spin anything , for ex for they cowardice=courage ..their most likely resemblance in RL would be.. Emo people 2.They are noobs, even though some of their members have higher SP chars, they are all noobs 3.They have no real skill,the only thing they're good at is blobing, but recently it seems they suck at it too Remember: As inside Emos there is actually(even if it's hard to believe) a human being, so in Goons there is a eve player Now think of this, what would you do if you lost almost all fleet fights in the last 2 months? What would you do if morale was low that people would not come back to fleet fights, because watching a frozen screen and then take the pod express is not fun. What would you do, if you fly in big big NAP land? So the answer is, GANK NOOBS in Empire !!!Because ganking noobs is FUN and because ganking noobs can provide the so much needed victories to brag on forum and feel special. So let them gank noobs, they need it more then you need your Hulk. They need this in order to get back the numbers to fight the big bad BOB. This or convince Molle to post something...
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:59:00 - [67] Originally by: xar bob just checked out their gankboard - seems they dont like going into .8 or higher :) Well, that COULD just be because there are no ice fields in .8 or higher Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
xar bob	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:02:00 - [68] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: xar bob just checked out their gankboard - seems they dont like going into .8 or higher :) Well, that COULD just be because there are no ice fields in .8 or higher oh so you are saying that noobswarm are actually trying to jack up the prices/availability of POS materials Nah they wouldnt do that that takes brainpower
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:16:00 - [69] This thread doesn't "get" Goonswarm. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Schani Kratnorr Internal Revenue Service	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:33:00 - [70] Originally by: Everyone Dies Originally by: Schani Kratnorr worthless rant Goonswarm are trying bring back fun to eve without them eve wouldn't be much so stfu. Wow you are stupid... you need to post with your GS main. There's a drop-down menu allowing you to select which character to use before posting you know...
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:39:00 - [71] I'm keeping a list of critics in this thread, and I have a locator agent. You have been warned. -----------
xar bob	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:42:00 - [72] Originally by: duckmonster I'm keeping a list of critics in this thread, and I have a locator agent. You have been warned. hmmm tasty now we get to the meat locate away - be my guest - just stop acting like 6 year olds whos mommy just told em to get off the PS3
VCBee 263	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:44:00 - [73] Originally by: faxtarious hey goonies..why not pull that same stunt on mission runners... then you'd see how nasty TRUE carebears can get
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:47:00 - [74] The meat is quite simple. We will not be tolerating our subjects in Empire dissenting. We will be rounding up and executing pod pilots who stir discord amongst the riff raff. Empire belongs to goonfleet. As does 0.0 And our first rule of the new order is down with hulks and mackinaws. -----------
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:48:00 - [75] Originally by: VCBee 263 Originally by: faxtarious hey goonies..why not pull that same stunt on mission runners... then you'd see how nasty TRUE carebears can get OHGOD
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:52:00 - [76] ITT the OP announces that water is wet tbh
Lil'Red Ridin'Hood Snake Assault	Posted - 2008.02.27 18:09:00 - [77] So, they're using their numbers to gank haulers. Good for them. I could do without the supposedly funny religious comments, but if they find it amusing so be it. All in all, they're probably helping all those previously unaware bears to appreciate the fact that their ship can go boom just about anywhere and that high-sec doesn't mean you're completely safe. Bottomline is: Even though I can't stand the style of them goons, they're doing alright when they set themselves a target.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.02.27 18:10:00 - [78] Originally by: Dirk Magnum ITT the OP announces that water is wet tbh Linkage
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.02.27 18:15:00 - [79] Wait, I need to grab my popcorn and Junior Mints for this one... it looks to be good.
Ventien	Posted - 2008.02.27 18:37:00 - [80] Originally by: Nasty eX Personally, I'm very offended by the talk of Jihad that Goonswarm and its corps are ranting about on local. As a proud American, I'm hurt by how easy that very strong word gets used. I have not forgot 9/11, and neither should anyone else in the free world. Just like the terrorist's back on that horrible day, the Goonswarm and all their associated corps have cowardly attacked miners in high sec with nothing to loose. Then they spout off religious rants in local forcing their beliefs on their victims. I for one will not follow nor tolerate it. In fact, when my time card runs out, I will be cancelling my subscription until CCP does something to stop what is going on. Exactly, because EvE is in full relation with the real world, right ? Lighten up, please. I have nothing against Americans (really, you guys make great burgers, and thanks for Starbucks) but it is this kind of attitude that I find repulsive. You talk about them enforcing religious rants upon their victims in a game, please keep the world of EvE and the real world as far apart as you can. Nothing more, just my 2 ISK. My apologies if I have offended anyone, please don't take it personal.
Frisky Minx Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.27 18:45:00 - [81] Originally by: Ranger 1 Wait, I need to grab my popcorn and Junior Mints for this one... it looks to be good. didn't you all loose a bunch of JF's that way??
Cameron Vayle	Posted - 2008.02.27 19:07:00 - [82] CCP, You are endorsing this style of game play by posting this on your opening news page, infact you are encouraging it. Your logic is flawed as this will cause you to lose customers if allowed to continue. You want new people to come to the game. How do many of the new people arrive? By word of mouth. Allowing this type of action will stop the growth of the game. I know if I am ganked it will be the last time as I will simply walk away from the game as the laws of Concord and the Empires are not being enforced. But this is your choice. As the vast majority of the players live in high sector space it is them you will lose and end up with only the people that want to PvP all the time. Seen many a game die when this happens and those that run the game see it to late. duckmonster - there is no need to use your locater agent. I live in Sharhelund, I fly but a Hulk and a Mack. I refuse to be a subject of your so called empire. An empire I might add that can not seem to even kill off Band of Brothers so must prey on those that fly ships that can not defend themselves.
Luh Windan	Posted - 2008.02.27 19:13:00 - [83] Originally by: Cameron Vayle ...crying... because - yes everytime anyone leaves a station in empire they are podded by the goons sustained campaign lasting for years now.... Never mind Cameron Vayle- I'm with you - down with things happening!!!1 Down with change!! Down with external events!!! We demand the status quo!!!! We demand a boring!! quiet! life!! - with no disruption! !!!
Xoria Mua	Posted - 2008.02.27 19:25:00 - [84] I think this behavior should be nipped in the bud. Most of your people play in empire you lose money ccp by allowing things to swing to far in the direction of those that mock societies laws. I say to all of those that do not like what the goonies are doing or all other groups that insist on forcing their view on how a game is played to vote with their wallet. Enough people leave something will happen and they will not like it. This is the bottem line. I have talked to many and tried to convince them to come and give this game a shot. Most are put off by the image of constant warfare and people just being immature. What happens if you cause the majority of your already paying player base to quit? The choice of course is yours. I can always find some place else to spend my money.
anthar Garman	Posted - 2008.02.27 19:33:00 - [85] Edited by: anthar Garman on 27/02/2008 19:34:21 Its down to the reason people play this game. Many people want action, fine bye me but that is way you have low sec. I play this game for working the market, geting the best price, making isk. Now if CCP dosent want that in this game ill simply leave and play somthing else. I dont think CCP values the busniss ascpect of the game and is trying to ramp up the action. Time will show if this is a smart move or not. I fore one will monitor the situation, and if feel that CCP has moved the game to a place where action is the main focus of eve ill move one. And to the small children out there making relay stupid posts attacking other poster for making there views felt. Tell youre mommy you relay want to play PS3 and start crying if she says no.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.02.27 19:41:00 - [86] Originally by: anthar Garman And to the small children out there making relay stupid posts attacking other poster for making there views felt. Tell youre mommy you relay want to play PS3 and start crying if she says no. Can you prove that there are small children with ps3's in this thread or are you doing that thing that happens when people get mad on the internet?
viper2885	Posted - 2008.02.27 19:51:00 - [87] I just laugh at the ignorant people out there who see an exhumer and automatically assume the pilot is a macro and must therefore be destroyed. Most miners are in fact NOT macros. To suggest otherwise would be the same as my saying all goons are Islamist extremists based upon the (not funny) rantings of a few about their new "mission".
Agent Li Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.02.27 19:59:00 - [88] "It's really simple. You bring two sides together. They fight. A lot of them die, but those who survive are stronger, smarter and better." "It's like knocking over an ant-hill. Every new generation gets stronger, the ant-hill gets redesigned, made better." ------------------ Let me show you around. That's my lab table, and this is my workstool. And over there is my intergalactic spaceship. And here's where I keep assorted lengths of wire.
Cameron Vayle Omnicron Industrial Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:05:00 - [89] Originally by: Luh Windan Originally by: Cameron Vayle ...crying... because - yes everytime anyone leaves a station in empire they are podded by the goons sustained campaign lasting for years now.... Never mind Cameron Vayle- I'm with you - down with things happening!!!1 Down with change!! Down with external events!!! We demand the status quo!!!! We demand a boring!! quiet! life!! - with no disruption! !!! Seems to me that I told him where I was so how can that be considered crying? Oh, let me guess. The point that I will leave. That is not crying, just a simple fact, it is a game that I spend money to play and if I do not care for the play style I will leave. I would hope that you do as well unless you are the type to just leave and still pay any monthly fees just to keep your account open.
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:20:00 - [90] Originally by: viper2885 I just laugh at the ignorant people out there who see an exhumer and automatically assume the pilot is a macro and must therefore be destroyed. Most miners are in fact NOT macros. To suggest otherwise would be the same as my saying all goons are Islamist extremists based upon the (not funny) rantings of a few about their new "mission". We mustn't take chances! If we kill all the exhumers, only then will we be sure that the farmers are no more. But its amazing how many times I've suicided a hulk only to see the pod spend the next hour flying back and forward from station as if it was still a hulk. Its kind of a give away. But the non scripted ones usually cry in local , and thats fairly good compensation for failing to kill a macrominer. -----------
Luh Windan	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:26:00 - [91] Originally by: Cameron Vayle Originally by: Luh Windan Originally by: Cameron Vayle ...crying... That is not crying, just a simple fact, it is a game that I spend money to play and if I do not care for the play style I will leave. I would hope that you do as well unless you are the type to just leave and still pay any monthly fees just to keep your account open. You are acting as if this incursion by the goons has ruined the whole game - whereas actually it is an entertaining event in the game bringing at bit of unpredictability. At the very worst it may be a few days annoyance for people - I doubt it is sustainable from what I have read about the goons finances. You are characterizing it as the end of the world and so I was taking the pss. Multiplayer games are going to be unpredictable - that is part of the fun surely. AI's can't currently do this which is presumably why multiplayer is so popular. However with that comes Other People* - they have minds of their own and sometimes do stuff you don't like - and the Goons very much so - I can understand why people complain - but throwing your toys out of the pram and saying you are going to leave is silly....
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:29:00 - [92] Originally by: Cameron Vayle Originally by: Luh Windan Originally by: Cameron Vayle ...crying... because - yes everytime anyone leaves a station in empire they are podded by the goons sustained campaign lasting for years now.... Never mind Cameron Vayle- I'm with you - down with things happening!!!1 Down with change!! Down with external events!!! We demand the status quo!!!! We demand a boring!! quiet! life!! - with no disruption! !!! Seems to me that I told him where I was so how can that be considered crying? Oh, let me guess. The point that I will leave. That is not crying, just a simple fact, it is a game that I spend money to play and if I do not care for the play style I will leave. I would hope that you do as well unless you are the type to just leave and still pay any monthly fees just to keep your account open. ok id ask for your stuff but it sounds like it just got suicided owell
Burnharder	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:32:00 - [93] Originally by: Luh Windan You are acting as if this incursion by the goons has ruined the whole game - whereas actually it is an entertaining event in the game bringing at bit of unpredictability. At the very worst it may be a few days annoyance for people - I doubt it is sustainable from what I have read about the goons finances. You are characterizing it as the end of the world and so I was taking the pss. Multiplayer games are going to be unpredictable - that is part of the fun surely. AI's can't currently do this which is presumably why multiplayer is so popular. However with that comes Other People* - they have minds of their own and sometimes do stuff you don't like - and the Goons very much so - I can understand why people complain - but throwing your toys out of the pram and saying you are going to leave is silly.... The problem with this only comes if it continues because sooner or later it will be hit with the nerf bat, as behaviors like this have been in the past. If it's just a few days then no biggie, otherwise... just wait for the response.
Cameron Vayle Omnicron Industrial Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:41:00 - [94] Originally by: Dr Paithos Originally by: Cameron Vayle Originally by: Luh Windan Originally by: Cameron Vayle ...crying... because - yes everytime anyone leaves a station in empire they are podded by the goons sustained campaign lasting for years now.... Never mind Cameron Vayle- I'm with you - down with things happening!!!1 Down with change!! Down with external events!!! We demand the status quo!!!! We demand a boring!! quiet! life!! - with no disruption! !!! Seems to me that I told him where I was so how can that be considered crying? Oh, let me guess. The point that I will leave. That is not crying, just a simple fact, it is a game that I spend money to play and if I do not care for the play style I will leave. I would hope that you do as well unless you are the type to just leave and still pay any monthly fees just to keep your account open. ok id ask for your stuff but it sounds like it just got suicided owell Incorrect thought line on your part as they don't have the balls to come get me even though I have told them where I am. Guess they are afraid this is a set up and they will get ganked..... After all... I am just a simple miner....
Luh Windan	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:43:00 - [95] Originally by: Burnharder The problem with this only comes if it continues because sooner or later it will be hit with the nerf bat, as behaviors like this have been in the past. If it's just a few days then no biggie, otherwise... just wait for the response. I suspect that the goons are more interested in event and the waves it creates than the activity itself. They are (secret) situationists I suspect!
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:46:00 - [96] Originally by: Burnharder The problem with this only comes if it continues because sooner or later it will be hit with the nerf bat, as behaviors like this have been in the past. If it's just a few days then no biggie, otherwise... just wait for the response. The regular Goon membership have severe collective ADD, and this thing is not something that came from the leadership. It came spontaneously from the regular members. There is no way it will last. At least not on the current scale.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:47:00 - [97] Originally by: Burnharder The problem with this only comes if it continues because sooner or later it will be hit with the nerf bat, as behaviors like this have been in the past. If it's just a few days then no biggie, otherwise... just wait for the response. probably the best thing to do in this deep crisis for eve's industrialists is sell some full t1 geddons as a package and start inventing some hulks
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:48:00 - [98] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Burnharder The problem with this only comes if it continues because sooner or later it will be hit with the nerf bat, as behaviors like this have been in the past. If it's just a few days then no biggie, otherwise... just wait for the response. The regular Goon membership have severe collective ADD, and this thing is not something that came from the leadership. It came spontaneously from the regular members. There is no way it will last. At least not on the current scale. it started as a contest to win 100 mill isk ( which i won) and kinda ballooned into a mass suicide of all exhumers in high sec.
SPIONKOP Caldari Imperial Technology	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:51:00 - [99] Does anyone actually like the goons? In all my years of playing eve I have found most of them to be rather dull and rude. I think they must also be the alliance hated by all their "blue" alliance friends. Suicide ganking a barge in high sec space, way to go. Insure ship, Kill barge/s, repair you sec status and repeat. Wonderfull advert for a game with so much depth. Goons are just like school bullys, nothing more, nothing less. They simply need attention and a little love. --------------------------------------------- Space For Rent. 100mil ISK/Week.
Zaknussem Caldari The Ironbreakers	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:55:00 - [100] I actually congratulate Goonswarm for this. They're telling many people the cold, hard truth that life sucks, get a helmet. Don't like that? Well, tough. Ganks are not pleasant events, but they're here, get used to them. Many of the ganks can be averted by the victims simply applying a bit of thought, but there is a flaw present in the ganking process. Namely, that the insurance will be paid regardless of how the ship died. CCP's reaction here should only be to change the insurance payouts so that any ship losses involving CONCORD will not be refunded. This will at least make ganks fair, as the ganker will lose something as well. Don't ever think that ganking will go away, though.
anthar Garman	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:00:00 - [101] Edited by: anthar Garman on 27/02/2008 21:07:01 Edited by: anthar Garman on 27/02/2008 21:05:42 Originally by: SPIONKOP Suicide ganking a barge in high sec space, way to go. Insure ship, Kill barge/s, repair you sec status and repeat. Wonderfull advert for a game with so much depth. This is the reason it was time to speak up, and its not about goons or their acts, Its about CCP enabling them. CCP is making changes in the game to let them act and its that we need to address. Originally by: Zaknussem CCP's reaction here should only be to change the insurance payouts so that any ship losses involving CONCORD will not be refunded. This will at least make ganks fair, as the ganker will lose something as well. Don't ever think that ganking will go away, though. That is one step, and stop chaning the rules about reaction time from concoard. And this is not about goons it a lot more important then them.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:05:00 - [102] Those rogue elements in Goonswarm are going to have to be delt with. Goons are a peace loving alliance. As soon as this unpleasantness is behind us, all Hulk pilots will be invited to mine Arkonor and Mercoxit in Scalding Pass. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Lazarus Short	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:14:00 - [103] I'm with Cameron Vayle on this: the day I get ganked, EVE loses at least one customer. Sure, it is a game. But it is a game that I pay for the privilege of playing and where it takes a real life investment of time and effort to obtain the items that were destroyed. It may be a game, but the losses are real. And I refuse to play a game where my investment can be destroyed with impunity. There are no consequences to gankers and the game permits no viable counter strategy to this. If that is the direction that CCP wants to take with EVE, well, best of luck and I'll take my money elsewhere.
karttoon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:19:00 - [104] Edited by: karttoon on 27/02/2008 21:24:48 Originally by: Lazarus Short I'm with Cameron Vayle on this: the day I get ganked, EVE loses at least one customer. 20 mil to anybody that pops him in a hulk or mackinaw. Eve mail me when it's done.
Marius Duvall Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:21:00 - [105] Originally by: karttoon Edited by: karttoon on 27/02/2008 21:20:20 Edited by: karttoon on 27/02/2008 21:19:35 Originally by: Lazarus Short I'm with Cameron Vayle on this: the day I get ganked, EVE loses at least one customer. 20 mil to anybody that pops him in a hulk or mackinaw. Eve mail me when it's done. Matching dis --- Originally by: "Reticenti" Oh, one note to Scius, you have made Goons and BoB agree on something. Good job.
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:33:00 - [106] Originally by: Lazarus Short I'm with Cameron Vayle on this: the day I get ganked, EVE loses at least one customer. Sure, it is a game. But it is a game that I pay for the privilege of playing and where it takes a real life investment of time and effort to obtain the items that were destroyed. It may be a game, but the losses are real. And I refuse to play a game where my investment can be destroyed with impunity. There are no consequences to gankers and the game permits no viable counter strategy to this. If that is the direction that CCP wants to take with EVE, well, best of luck and I'll take my money elsewhere. Can I have your stuff if I gank you?
Lord Rue Gallente GenX Societies Inc. Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:37:00 - [107] Seeing the kind of sandy vagina postings the Goonie's recent actions have been bringing about makes me kind of want to swear allegience to the Holy Amarr god and don a pair of antennae myself. Keep up the holy war against the Macro'ing infedel, JihadSwarm! This is my sig. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Val Streth Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:44:00 - [108] MY HULK
Dai Nau Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:51:00 - [109] Originally by: Marius Duvall Originally by: karttoon Edited by: karttoon on 27/02/2008 21:20:20 Edited by: karttoon on 27/02/2008 21:19:35 Originally by: Lazarus Short I'm with Cameron Vayle on this: the day I get ganked, EVE loses at least one customer. 20 mil to anybody that pops him in a hulk or mackinaw. Eve mail me when it's done. Matching dis I'll throw in 10 to make it an even 50.
Kephael Caldari Out-Rage	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:51:00 - [110] Originally by: karttoon Edited by: karttoon on 27/02/2008 21:24:48 Originally by: Lazarus Short I'm with Cameron Vayle on this: the day I get ganked, EVE loses at least one customer. 20 mil to anybody that pops him in a hulk or mackinaw. Eve mail me when it's done. Go go gadget, locater agent!
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:00:00 - [111] As a primarily industrial character with 4 Hulks I say this: You Go Girlswarm. Anything that lessens the competition for low ends is fine by me. Jihad away swarmies. and before the carebears all go "omg I hope ur next!!!!" i tank my hulks like there gonna be in a triple officer spawn and watch local like a hawk even in the heart of empire Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:01:00 - [112] Originally by: Zeba As a primarily industrial character with 4 Hulks I say this: You Go Girlswarm. Anything that lessens the competition for low ends is fine by me. Jihad away swarmies. and before the carebears all go "omg I hope ur next!!!!" i tank my hulks like there gonna be in a triple officer spawn and watch local like a hawk even in the heart of empire Well i doubt it has more then 20k effective HP which means its still gankable.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:05:00 - [113] Well of course it is but the point is I'll notice local swelling up like a ballon. And if you manage to pop a hulk or two no worries I have plenty moar. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:08:00 - [114] Originally by: Zeba Well of course it is but the point is I'll notice local swelling up like a ballon. And if you manage to pop a hulk or two no worries I have plenty moar. it only takes 1 battleship to waste a tanked hulk fyi :).
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:10:00 - [115] Then I'll replace it. Mining isn't my only isk making occupation. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Dai Nau Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:13:00 - [116] Originally by: Zeba As a primarily industrial character with 4 Hulks I say this: You Go Girlswarm. Anything that lessens the competition for low ends is fine by me. Jihad away swarmies. and before the carebears all go "omg I hope ur next!!!!" i tank my hulks like there gonna be in a triple officer spawn and watch local like a hawk even in the heart of empire you do realize most of us can solo a double gistii hulk
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:14:00 - [117] Originally by: Nasty eX Personally, I'm very offended by the talk of Jihad that Goonswarm and its corps are ranting about on local. As a proud American, I'm hurt by how easy that very strong word gets used. I have not forgot 9/11, and neither should anyone else in the free world. Just like the terrorist's back on that horrible day, the Goonswarm and all their associated corps have cowardly attacked miners in high sec with nothing to loose. Then they spout off religious rants in local forcing their beliefs on their victims. I for one will not follow nor tolerate it. In fact, when my time card runs out, I will be cancelling my subscription until CCP does something to stop what is going on. If I were associated with the Goons in any way, I would be hanging my head in shame on what my fellow Alliance members were doing. Show some balls, stop ganking miners. Any noob can pop a mining ship, show me your real stats and fight a real war without having to hide like the cowards that you are now. Next thing you'll be doing is can baiting the noobs. Just a bunch of wusses in my opinion. As much as I loath the goons, this is really a non-issue. Poor taste, yes, but not enough to worry about. Not enough to worry about at all. Play nice while you butcher each other.
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:23:00 - [118] This is awesome. 1) You consent to PVP when you hit the undock button...yes, this includes hulk pilots in hisec 2) If you're offended by the Jihad theme, then calm the hell down and stop being so easily offended.
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:24:00 - [119] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Zeba Well of course it is but the point is I'll notice local swelling up like a ballon. And if you manage to pop a hulk or two no worries I have plenty moar. it only takes 1 battleship to waste a tanked hulk fyi :). as someone with a goon roommate I understand your intentions, however, don't say you can kill a non-AFK miner, I've seen the way you guys work you fly around, fuind them, get set up, smartbombing 4 at once for the win, and then BOOM! but an active miner has more than the time they wuld need to get away form you guys. and a full smartbomb fit will kill most hulks, but not well tanked ones. just saying :P well I don't mine other than 0.0 space so go go go. there are goon and then there are goons. Some Operate solo with a covert ops with warping and dont give them a chance to escape and others do silly things like use 4 bs to smart bomb a group of Mac's i Think i heard you in the background of TS when they were doing that yesterday :).
Sean Dillon Caldari Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:24:00 - [120] Originally by: Dai Nau Originally by: Zeba As a primarily industrial character with 4 Hulks I say this: You Go Girlswarm. Anything that lessens the competition for low ends is fine by me. Jihad away swarmies. and before the carebears all go "omg I hope ur next!!!!" i tank my hulks like there gonna be in a triple officer spawn and watch local like a hawk even in the heart of empire you do realize most of us can solo a double gistii hulk Mail me how please!!! I doubt it. Suicide gankig is the most hilarious thing you can do in eve keep it up goonies!
Ardan Tanir	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:25:00 - [121] thanks goonie¦s...you killed my hulk (sarcasm on)and no..i dont buy a new one from you. (sarcasm off) i quit this game. all my chars on all 3 accounts will be deleted tomorrow. i was a pure miner and you destroyed my fun in this game with this silly "event".
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:26:00 - [122] Originally by: Esiel Funny thing is I think almost everyone has missed a major point. Ice mining can only be done in barges, with goonswarm destroying barges ice products are going to become very expensive very soon. /me pets all that ice i've hoarded away over the years Go Go Jihadswarm. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:27:00 - [123] Perhaps the Goons have been infiltrated by the secret cabal of ISK farmers and they are suiciding their competitors macro mining operations. Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
Aurix Lexico Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:31:00 - [124] Originally by: Ardan Tanir thanks goonie¦s...you killed my hulk (sarcasm on)and no..i dont buy a new one from you. (sarcasm off) i quit this game. all my chars on all 3 accounts will be deleted tomorrow. i was a pure miner and you destroyed my fun in this game with this silly "event". can i please have your stuff?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:31:00 - [125] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Zeba Well of course it is but the point is I'll notice local swelling up like a ballon. And if you manage to pop a hulk or two no worries I have plenty moar. it only takes 1 battleship to waste a tanked hulk fyi :). as someone with a goon roommate I understand your intentions, however, don't say you can kill a non-AFK miner, I've seen the way you guys work you fly around, fuind them, get set up, smartbombing 4 at once for the win, and then BOOM! but an active miner has more than the time they wuld need to get away form you guys. and a full smartbomb fit will kill most hulks, but not well tanked ones. just saying :P well I don't mine other than 0.0 space so go go go. there are goon and then there are goons. Some Operate solo with a covert ops with warping and dont give them a chance to escape and others do silly things like use 4 bs to smart bomb a group of Mac's i Think i heard you in the background of TS when they were doing that yesterday :). rofl, actually you might have :P
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:32:00 - [126] Originally by: Ardan Tanir thanks goonie¦s...you killed my hulk (sarcasm on)and no..i dont buy a new one from you. (sarcasm off) i quit this game. all my chars on all 3 accounts will be deleted tomorrow. i was a pure miner and you destroyed my fun in this game with this silly "event". please tell me this isnt a fakepost
Ardan Tanir	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:33:00 - [127] Edited by: Ardan Tanir on 27/02/2008 22:36:29 no it isnt a fake. all my money is transfered to a friend in the game. CCP is losing a costumer with 3 accounts tomorrow edit: and i am sure i will not be the only one who left the game. congrats goonie¦s you realy won this game. time to take off the server cluster now.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:33:00 - [128] Originally by: Ardan Tanir thanks goonie¦s...you killed my hulk (sarcasm on)and no..i dont buy a new one from you. (sarcasm off) i quit this game. all my chars on all 3 accounts will be deleted tomorrow. i was a pure miner and you destroyed my fun in this game with this silly "event". rofl troll post :P if you were really a miner with 3 accounts you'd have at least 2 billion isk. and losing ONE ship wouldn't do ****. hell people lose what 3 billion fitted faction battleships and they don't quit :P lol. if it was suppose to be a joke then meh, 3/10
Tramp Oline	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:34:00 - [129] The only thing that will be accomplished by all of this is a mass banning of a bunch of GoonSwarm accounts. Others have tried the mass killings of people in empire before such as the smartbombings in Jita and that just ended up getting them banned. Just because you can do something doesn't mean that it doesn't come with consequences. When enough people petition these kills, CCP will end up reimbursing the lost hulks and banning the killers. In the end, the carebear miners will get the last laugh.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:36:00 - [130] Originally by: Tramp Oline The only thing that will be accomplished by all of this is a mass banning of a bunch of GoonSwarm accounts. Others have tried the mass killings of people in empire before such as the smartbombings in Jita and that just ended up getting them banned. Just because you can do something doesn't mean that it doesn't come with consequences. When enough people petition these kills, CCP will end up reimbursing the lost hulks and banning the killers. In the end, the carebear miners will get the last laugh. [/quote I somehow don't believe you
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:37:00 - [131] Originally by: Ardan Tanir no it isnt a fake. all my money is transfered to a friend in the game. CCP is losing a costumer with 3 accounts tomorrow Joy! Thats 3 less competitors. <3 Swarmies Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:37:00 - [132] Originally by: Akita T Go to Motsu and start suicide-ganking CNRs instead i plan on leading the almighty crusades against the cnr farmers. that is unless someone else does it first. and even then there are several systems where it is needed. that and i need to get my sec status up
Ardan Tanir	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:40:00 - [133] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Ardan Tanir thanks goonie¦s...you killed my hulk (sarcasm on)and no..i dont buy a new one from you. (sarcasm off) i quit this game. all my chars on all 3 accounts will be deleted tomorrow. i was a pure miner and you destroyed my fun in this game with this silly "event". rofl troll post :P if you were really a miner with 3 accounts you'd have at least 2 billion isk. and losing ONE ship wouldn't do ****. hell people lose what 3 billion fitted faction battleships and they don't quit :P lol. if it was suppose to be a joke then meh, 3/10 i am a rookie miner with 3 accounts. i buyed my first hulk 3 weeks ago. a few days after a gang have destroyed it with 5 suicide caracals. and now again. my pilots on the other accounts have a retriever and a new byed iteron V. you think i am rich? no i am not.
Korran Minare Gallente Spaced Cowboys	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:40:00 - [134] Originally by: Ardan Tanir Edited by: Ardan Tanir on 27/02/2008 22:36:29 no it isnt a fake. all my money is transfered to a friend in the game. CCP is losing a costumer with 3 accounts tomorrow edit: and i am sure i will not be the only one who left the game. congrats goonie¦s you realy won this game. time to take off the server cluster now. well then good luck in whatever you want to do, go back to wow or something if you cant handle this game Originally by: Korran Minare what would you put on space pizza anyway???? Support Flagships
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:42:00 - [135] hmm I just noticed this reminds me of the war on BoB. people used to talk about it, like all the time but no one did anything about it. there would be a corp or two but for some reason when goonswarm did it people started to join with them. and not joined once goons started winning but joined in the first year to fight a battle that was suppose to be unwinnable. and now people that normally wouldn't go out and fight macro miners might just because goonswarm is. I'm not syaing they are the frist it's happen before, but the image of goonswarm seems to pull in people that normally wouldn't fight.
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:42:00 - [136] Originally by: Ardan Tanir Edited by: Ardan Tanir on 27/02/2008 22:36:29 no it isnt a fake. all my money is transfered to a friend in the game. CCP is losing a costumer with 3 accounts tomorrow edit: and i am sure i will not be the only one who left the game. congrats goonie¦s you realy won this game. time to take off the server cluster now. We don't know if this dude is telling the truth but CCP DO have records and if they see on those records large amounts of customers canceling accounts AFTER they where the victims of a suicide gank do you really think that CCP are going to sit and say "oh well its a harsh dangerous world" Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:44:00 - [137] Originally by: Tramp Oline Others have tried the mass killings of people in empire before such as the smartbombings in Jita and that just ended up getting them banned. Actually, if it's the incident I'm thinking of (and it would have been Yulai, Jita was nothing back then), they were not banned for the killings themselves, but for continuing after a GM told them to stop. Which is something the swarm should probably bear in mind ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:44:00 - [138] Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: Ardan Tanir Edited by: Ardan Tanir on 27/02/2008 22:36:29 no it isnt a fake. all my money is transfered to a friend in the game. CCP is losing a costumer with 3 accounts tomorrow edit: and i am sure i will not be the only one who left the game. congrats goonie¦s you realy won this game. time to take off the server cluster now. We don't know if this dude is telling the truth but CCP DO have records and if they see on those records large amounts of customers canceling accounts AFTER they where the victims of a suicide gank do you really think that CCP are going to sit and say "oh well its a harsh dangerous world" as someone who has played since beta, yes, yes I do.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:45:00 - [139] Originally by: Matthew Originally by: Tramp Oline Others have tried the mass killings of people in empire before such as the smartbombings in Jita and that just ended up getting them banned. Actually, if it's the incident I'm thinking of (and it would have been Yulai, Jita was nothing back then), they were not banned for the killings themselves, but for continuing after a GM told them to stop. Which is something the swarm should probably bear in mind and didn't the goons just get told keep doing it by having a news post?
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:46:00 - [140] Originally by: AndrewRyan do you really think that CCP are going to sit and say "oh well its a harsh dangerous world" Yes, yes I do. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:47:00 - [141] Edited by: Zeba on 27/02/2008 22:53:52 Originally by: AndrewRyan We don't know if this dude is telling the truth but CCP DO have records and if they see on those records large amounts of customers canceling accounts AFTER they where the victims of a suicide gank do you really think that CCP are going to sit and say "oh well its a harsh dangerous world" Forgot about the 21 day trial on Steam eh? Any possible account cancellations over this bit of fun will be dwarfed by the mob thats coming from there. Pator tech numbers have grow about 300% since they started the steam trial. For those who don't understand that info Pator has a broken roll and gimps you on some starting skills so any established player rolling an alt would avoid it. New players though would have no idea and jump right in and by the chat (chat in pator! :-D. been ages) they truely have no clue about the game. So Darwin wins yet again. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:48:00 - [142] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: AndrewRyan We don't know if this dude is telling the truth but CCP DO have records and if they see on those records large amounts of customers canceling accounts AFTER they where the victims of a suicide gank do you really think that CCP are going to sit and say "oh well its a harsh dangerous world" Forgot about the 21 day trial on Steam eh? Any possible account cancellations over this bit of fun will be dwarfed by the mob thats coming from there. and new players will find that mining is more pro*****ble!
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:49:00 - [143] Originally by: MotherMoon as someone who has played since beta, yes, yes I do. They nerfed the privateers didn't they? If this "Jihad" starts affecting CCPs pennies they will do something about it. Im not make a judgement about what the goons are doing as being right or wrong just pointing out the facts and in most cases game developers ignore isolated threats of cancelling subs. But when it seriously begins to affect things they take action every time. Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:53:00 - [144] Edited by: MotherMoon on 27/02/2008 22:54:34 Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: MotherMoon as someone who has played since beta, yes, yes I do. They nerfed the privateers didn't they? If this "Jihad" starts affecting CCPs pennies they will do something about it. Im not make a judgement about what the goons are doing as being right or wrong just pointing out the facts and in most cases game developers ignore isolated threats of cancelling subs. But when it seriously begins to affect things they take action every time. oh no not that again, the privateers were using a system in a way that CCP didn't want it to be used. CCP WANT suicide ganking in the game. They don't want space to be safe. however declaring war on everyone just makes high sec a place you can shoot at anything and IGNORE conchord. goons are not doing this, they are losing ships. And by nerf what do you mean? They didn't STOP you privateers form wardecing everyone, they just made it more expensive. If anything CCP would make it more expensive. and trust me people would still do it. unlike privateers who couldn't take it because they sucked.
Cooolllll	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:54:00 - [145] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Esiel Funny thing is I think almost everyone has missed a major point. Ice mining can only be done in barges, with goonswarm destroying barges ice products are going to become very expensive very soon. /me pets all that ice i've hoarded away over the years Go Go Jihadswarm. mmmm pubie tears make me happy. praise be to suiciding into macro miners. YOU ARE NOT SAFE, YOU WILL NOT BE SAFE, TO BE SAFE REQUIRES YOU TO BE DOCKED, IF YOU FLY IN SPACE WE WILL FIND YOU.
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:55:00 - [146] Originally by: MotherMoon and didn't the goons just get told keep doing it by having a news post? Didn't PrismX recently write a blog that basically announced the destruction of the Cemetery a few days after it featured in a news post? And to quote CCP Ginger from that thread: Originally by: CCP Ginger News coverage of this sort is handled by the ISD Interstellar Correspondents team and they are allowed to write about player news that comes across their way, we dont restrict what they can write about so a news item isnt an official CCP endorsement of any player activity, its just journo's writing about something of interest. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:57:00 - [147] Originally by: AndrewRyan Edited by: AndrewRyan on 27/02/2008 22:55:56 Originally by: MotherMoon as someone who has played since beta, yes, yes I do. They nerfed the privateers didn't they? If this "Jihad" starts affecting CCPs pennies they will do something about it. Im not make a judgement about what the goons are doing as being right or wrong just pointing out the facts and in most cases game developers ignore isolated threats of cancelling subs. But when it seriously begins to affect things they take action every time. Originally by: Zeba Forgot about the 21 day trial on Steam eh? Any possible account cancellations over this bit of fun will be dwarfed by the mob thats coming from there. And how many of those special trial accounts will become subbed accounts if they get suicide ganked a lot? Again I'm not saying what the goons are doing is right or wrong because it doesn't affect me and I couldn't care less, but if what they are doing is as widespread and common as the propaganda and forum bull**** makes it out to be somethings gonna have to give. only ships getting suicide ganked are tech 2 mining barges.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:59:00 - [148] Originally by: Matthew Originally by: MotherMoon and didn't the goons just get told keep doing it by having a news post? Didn't PrismX recently write a blog that basically announced the destruction of the Cemetery a few days after it featured in a news post? And to quote CCP Ginger from that thread: Originally by: CCP Ginger News coverage of this sort is handled by the ISD Interstellar Correspondents team and they are allowed to write about player news that comes across their way, we dont restrict what they can write about so a news item isnt an official CCP endorsement of any player activity, its just journo's writing about something of interest. that's a database probem. CCP have featured can art and then deleted it right after. it's cans in space:P I see your point but I don't think it's the same :P
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:02:00 - [149] Edited by: AndrewRyan on 27/02/2008 23:03:47 Originally by: MotherMoon oh no not that again, the privateers were using a system in a way that CCP didn't want it to be used. CCP WANT suicide ganking in the game. They don't want space to be safe. however declaring war on everyone just makes high sec a place you can shoot at anything and IGNORE conchord. goons are not doing this, they are losing ships. And by nerf what do you mean? They didn't STOP you privateers form wardecing everyone, they just made it more expensive. If anything CCP would make it more expensive. and trust me people would still do it. unlike privateers who couldn't take it because they sucked. CCP wanted wardecs in the game and they designed it the way the privateers used it they just took a existing game mechanic to the extreme but after the fuss and the cancelled subs and the whining reached a critical mass they pulled out the nerf hammer and put a stop to it. Just the same as the goons are using an existing mechanic to the extreme and when the cancelled subs and whining and fuss reaches its critical mass its probable they will do something about it as well. And I'm sure they wont directly stop it they make it more difficult or expensive like the privateer nerf, whether its a buffed concord or something idk. Originally by: MotherMoon and didn't the goons just get told keep doing it by having a news post? Le Skunk posted a few weeks back that a news report was the nail in the coffin and hes been right so far lets see if hes right again. Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:02:00 - [150] Originally by: MotherMoon I see your point but I don't think it's the same :P Well, wasn't really trying to comment on whether there should be a change in this case, just that featuring in a news article is no guarantee in itself that you're safe from change. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:04:00 - [151] Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: MotherMoon oh no not that again, the privateers were using a system in a way that CCP didn't want it to be used. CCP WANT suicide ganking in the game. They don't want space to be safe. however declaring war on everyone just makes high sec a place you can shoot at anything and IGNORE conchord. goons are not doing this, they are losing ships. And by nerf what do you mean? They didn't STOP you privateers form wardecing everyone, they just made it more expensive. If anything CCP would make it more expensive. and trust me people would still do it. unlike privateers who couldn't take it because they sucked. CCP wanted wardecs in the game and they designed it the way the privateers used it they just took a existing game mechanic to the extreme but after the fuss and the cancelled subs and the whining reached a critical mass they pulled out the nerf hammer and put a stop to it. Just the same as the goons are using an existing mechanic to the extreme and when the cancelled subs and whining and fuss reaches its critical mass its probable they will do something about it as well. And I'm sure they wont directly stop it they make it more difficult or expensive like the privateer nerf, whether its a buffed concord or something idk. privateers were not declaring war on corporations. they were declaring war on EVERYONE. and the reason was because it protected them. CCP NEVER wanted someone to make highsafe safe for them to kill whoever they wanted, I have dev quotes, they got ****ed at privateers for using them.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:05:00 - [152] Originally by: Matthew Originally by: MotherMoon I see your point but I don't think it's the same :P Well, wasn't really trying to comment on whether there should be a change in this case, just that featuring in a news article is no guarantee in itself that you're safe from change. very true I take it back :P that is a flawed logic to use to back up my point.
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:08:00 - [153] Originally by: MotherMoon privateers were not declaring war on corporations. they were declaring war on EVERYONE. and the reason was because it protected them. CCP NEVER wanted someone to make highsafe safe for them to kill whoever they wanted, I have dev quotes, they got **ed at privateers for using them. Suicide ganking is the same, it allows a person to be as safe as everyone else in high sec until they choose to engage exactly the same way as the privateers could be selective about their wardecs. Originally by:** Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
SPIONKOP Caldari Imperial Technology	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:16:00 - [154] Originally by: karttoon Edited by: karttoon on 27/02/2008 21:24:48 Originally by: Lazarus Short I'm with Cameron Vayle on this: the day I get ganked, EVE loses at least one customer. 20 mil to anybody that pops him in a hulk or mackinaw. Eve mail me when it's done. Your such a nice chap. Dim, maybe a little stupid, not a lot between the ears I suspect and fail to see the big picture only your own selfish attitude. To you maybe a 100mil for a ship is lose change. To many who mine their butts of for weeks to afford such a ship its a lot, maybe all they have. For some mindless thug to take that away from them in "Safe" space is wrong. You only care about yourself, shame on you and shame on your alliance. When you get to school tomorrow I sure hope some big ass bully pays you a visit, see how you like it. Suicide Ganking in Empire will drive new players away and could affect the future of Eve. We need new players to replace those who leave. These days when an established player leaves for whatever reason, I suspect we lose more than just 1 account but at least 2 as established players tend to have multiple accounts. But I guess you don't give a **** about that do you? --------------------------------------------- Space For Rent. 100mil ISK/Week.
IlIlIlI lIlIlIl	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:16:00 - [155] Originally by: MotherMoon only ships getting suicide ganked are tech 2 mining barges. This. If I have picked you out as a target, you are not a newbie. You are flying a hulk or a mack. I lose security status with every kill, and must eventually go rat for a long time to regain it. If I have picked you out as a target, you are probably dead. With best possible skills, a hulk can align in 17 seconds. If you align to warp out 7 seconds BEFORE I enter the belt, you can get away. With realistic skills, align time is closer to 23 seconds, so you need to hit the warp button 13 seconds BEFORE I enter the belt. Basically, if you see me in belt, you're already dead. How do you avoid me? Look at our killboard. I operate in a very narrow band of security status. Man up and go to lowsec, or wimp out and stick to 0.8+.
Uncle George	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:19:00 - [156] Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl Originally by: MotherMoon only ships getting suicide ganked are tech 2 mining barges. This. If I have picked you out as a target, you are not a newbie. You are flying a hulk or a mack. I lose security status with every kill, and must eventually go rat for a long time to regain it. If I have picked you out as a target, you are probably dead. With best possible skills, a hulk can align in 17 seconds. If you align to warp out 7 seconds BEFORE I enter the belt, you can get away. With realistic skills, align time is closer to 23 seconds, so you need to hit the warp button 13 seconds BEFORE I enter the belt. Basically, if you see me in belt, you're already dead. How do you avoid me? Look at our killboard. I operate in a very narrow band of security status. Man up and go to lowsec, or wimp out and stick to 0.8+. I think the term "up yourself" is very appropriate here. I don't know what the rest of you think.....
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:20:00 - [157] Sad thing is that this will not deter macros in the slightest. Macros don't care if they get blown up; its a job, not a game. Legitimate players get ***ed and quit mining or quit playing. End result: Fewer "real" players in the belts, more macros. Since mining isn't an option and prices of ships and parts go up, more people willing to buy ISK. You are contributing to the problem of macros and ISK sellers, not stopping it. shrugs* Not that I really care anymore, my hulk parked months ago and isn't likely to undock again. Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:22:00 - [158] I find it amusing how many people are acting like suicide ganking is something new in Eve. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:26:00 - [159] Originally by: SPIONKOP Originally by: karttoon Edited by: karttoon on 27/02/2008 21:24:48 Originally by: Lazarus Short I'm with Cameron Vayle on this: the day I get ganked, EVE loses at least one customer. 20 mil to anybody that pops him in a hulk or mackinaw. Eve mail me when it's done. Your such a nice chap. Dim, maybe a little stupid, not a lot between the ears I suspect and fail to see the big picture only your own selfish attitude. To you maybe a 100mil for a ship is lose change. To many who mine their butts of for weeks to afford such a ship its a lot, maybe all they have. For some mindless thug to take that away from them in "Safe" space is wrong. You only care about yourself, shame on you and shame on your alliance. When you get to school tomorrow I sure hope some big ass bully pays you a visit, see how you like it. Suicide Ganking in Empire will drive new players away and could affect the future of Eve. We need new players to replace those who leave. These days when an established player leaves for whatever reason, I suspect we lose more than just 1 account but at least 2 as established players tend to have multiple accounts. But I guess you don't give a **** about that do you? I've never seen a new player in a hulk. this will drive up prices and make the playing field more profitable more new players.
III LightBringer Okkelen Grave Robbers	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:29:00 - [160] Originally by: Ardan Tanir Edited by: Ardan Tanir on 27/02/2008 22:36:29 no it isnt a fake. all my money is transfered to a friend in the game. CCP is losing a costumer with 3 accounts tomorrow edit: and i am sure i will not be the only one who left the game. congrats goonie¦s you realy won this game. time to take off the server cluster now. Well, maybe that will help on the lag issues. You loose your ships to an enemy on a grid that loads, and you come here to whine. No module lag. There are some slight load lag in some belts because miners are throwing in loads of GSC's. But you Ardan Tanir : Glad to see ya go. Have fun in WOW.
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:32:00 - [161] Quote: I've never seen a new player in a hulk. this will drive up prices and make the playing field more profitable more new players. This. You don't have to mine in a hulk.
IlIlIlI lIlIlIl GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:42:00 - [162] Ardan Tanir's final straw: http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=278 Mining veld. In a hulk. In highsec. I remember being a newbie looking for a way to make money in my shiny new bantam. I flew to a belt. No rocks. I flew to another belt. No rocks. If we chase out all the hulks, maybe there will be rocks for newbies.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:44:00 - [163] Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl Ardan Tanir's final straw: http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=278 Mining veld. In a hulk. In highsec. I remember being a newbie looking for a way to make money in my shiny new bantam. I flew to a belt. No rocks. I flew to another belt. No rocks. If we chase out all the hulks, maybe there will be rocks for newbies. shh stop using logic :P
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:48:00 - [164] Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl Ardan Tanir's final straw: http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=278 Mining veld. In a hulk. In highsec. I remember being a newbie looking for a way to make money in my shiny new bantam. I flew to a belt. No rocks. I flew to another belt. No rocks. If we chase out all the hulks, maybe there will be rocks for newbies. roflmao. With fits like that you hulk guys have no right to come here and complain. ffs a few dessys could probably have killed that one. This is a needed culling indeed. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:54:00 - [165] Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl Ardan Tanir's final straw: http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=278 Mining veld. In a hulk. In highsec. I remember being a newbie looking for a way to make money in my shiny new bantam. I flew to a belt. No rocks. I flew to another belt. No rocks. If we chase out all the hulks, maybe there will be rocks for newbies. Your not very consistent in your bull cookies are you? Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl I operate in a very narrow band of security status. Man up and go to lowsec, or wimp out and stick to 0.8+. Not many Newbie bantams leave 0.9-1.0 because their ships are made of tissue paper and cant handle the rats. Why is it you try to morally justify what you are doing? is it because you kinda feel in yourself that you might very well be overstepping the bounds? Your doing it because you want to do it for fun and its not for anyone except your corp bosses and CCP to tell you otherwise. So please explain the mother theresa act. Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
faxtarious Kai-Zen inc.	Posted - 2008.02.27 23:58:00 - [166] locator agent ? save the 100k I'm Balgiana carebear Ex amamake dweller Mini chat extraordinair
SPIONKOP Caldari Imperial Technology	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:03:00 - [167] Originally by: MotherMoon I've never seen a new player in a hulk. this will drive up prices and make the playing field more profitable more new players. Your responce is flawed in several areas. New players who join the game as miners soon realise that training/saving for the best mining ship is not worth it. Their "end game" is taken away from them so some will not stay in the game for as long. Those new miners that insist on training for and flying hulks will soon lose interest when some ass hole blows them up in 0.7. Cost to agressor maybe 0.01% of his wealth, cost to hulk pilot, maybe everything? Sure prices will rise but its all relative isn't it. If the basic building blocks for all items goes up in price so does everything else, its called inflation. Whilst people may have more ISK in their wallet their "wealth" actually goes down as they can buy less with it. In the old days of eve risk/reward was the key to everthing. Now the risk/cost to the empire ganker is next to nothing. A few mill for the ship and insurance, nothing for players/alliances that have billions of isk as lose change. The player who just quit the game just lost everything. I wonder what would happen if empire became 0.0. No police, no sentrys? Is that what people want. I am sure it would be fun. For a while anyways. Ships would double/triple in cost. Within weeks player numbers would halve then halve again. You would have the hard core players left. Hardly anyone would mine. Ships/Ammo would soon run dry as the materials for building them dry up. Shuttle and NPC goods would be used as the raw materials but that would lead to ISK drying up. Soon there would be no one left to shoot. It would fix the lag problems I guess and jita would be quiet. End Game? --------------------------------------------- Space For Rent. 100mil ISK/Week.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:05:00 - [168] Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl Ardan Tanir's final straw: http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=278 Mining veld. In a hulk. In highsec. I remember being a newbie looking for a way to make money in my shiny new bantam. I flew to a belt. No rocks. I flew to another belt. No rocks. If we chase out all the hulks, maybe there will be rocks for newbies. Your not very consistent in your bull cookies are you? Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl I operate in a very narrow band of security status. Man up and go to lowsec, or wimp out and stick to 0.8+. Not many Newbie bantams leave 0.9-1.0 because their ships are made of tissue paper and cant handle the rats. Why is it you try to morally justify what you are doing? is it because you kinda feel in yourself that you might very well be overstepping the bounds? Your doing it because you want to do it for fun and its not for anyone except your corp bosses and CCP to tell you otherwise. So please explain the mother theresa act. THEY DON"T ATTACK ANYTHING BUT HULKS AND MACK! YOU ARE DUMB.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:06:00 - [169] Originally by: SPIONKOP Originally by: MotherMoon I've never seen a new player in a hulk. this will drive up prices and make the playing field more profitable more new players. Your responce is flawed in several areas. New players who join the game as miners soon realise that training/saving for the best mining ship is not worth it. Their "end game" is taken away from them so some will not stay in the game for as long. Those new miners that insist on training for and flying hulks will soon lose interest when some ass hole blows them up in 0.7. Cost to agressor maybe 0.01% of his wealth, cost to hulk pilot, maybe everything? Sure prices will rise but its all relative isn't it. If the basic building blocks for all items goes up in price so does everything else, its called inflation. Whilst people may have more ISK in their wallet their "wealth" actually goes down as they can buy less with it. In the old days of eve risk/reward was the key to everthing. Now the risk/cost to the empire ganker is next to nothing. A few mill for the ship and insurance, nothing for players/alliances that have billions of isk as lose change. The player who just quit the game just lost everything. I wonder what would happen if empire became 0.0. No police, no sentrys? Is that what people want. I am sure it would be fun. For a while anyways. Ships would double/triple in cost. Within weeks player numbers would halve then halve again. You would have the hard core players left. Hardly anyone would mine. Ships/Ammo would soon run dry as the materials for building them dry up. Shuttle and NPC goods would be used as the raw materials but that would lead to ISK drying up. Soon there would be no one left to shoot. It would fix the lag problems I guess and jita would be quiet. End Game? so what your saying is that with this goon thing it will be more pro*****ble to mine in low sec? because they aren't ganking players in low sec. why would anyone still be mining veld in a hulk?
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:07:00 - [170] Quote: New players who join the game as miners soon realise that training/saving for the best mining ship is not worth it. Their "end game" is taken away from them so some will not stay in the game for as long. Those new miners that insist on training for and flying hulks will soon lose interest when some ass hole blows them up in 0.7. Cost to agressor maybe 0.01% of his wealth, cost to hulk pilot, maybe everything? Problem 1: You think that every person who wants to mine must have a hulk, Problem 2: You think there is an "End game" in EVE, and that said end-game involves sitting in a hulk grinding to watch the wallet grow fatter. Problem 3: If the player put EVERYTHING HE HAD into his hulk, he did something wrong. When he loses it, it's his fault, not CCP's, and not the Goons'
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:09:00 - [171] Originally by: AndrewRyan Edited by: AndrewRyan on 27/02/2008 23:03:47 Originally by: MotherMoon oh no not that again, the privateers were using a system in a way that CCP didn't want it to be used. CCP WANT suicide ganking in the game. They don't want space to be safe. however declaring war on everyone just makes high sec a place you can shoot at anything and IGNORE conchord. goons are not doing this, they are losing ships. And by nerf what do you mean? They didn't STOP you privateers form wardecing everyone, they just made it more expensive. If anything CCP would make it more expensive. and trust me people would still do it. unlike privateers who couldn't take it because they sucked. CCP wanted wardecs in the game and they designed it the way the privateers used it they just took a existing game mechanic to the extreme but after the fuss and the cancelled subs and the whining reached a critical mass they pulled out the nerf hammer and put a stop to it. Just the same as the goons are using an existing mechanic to the extreme and when the cancelled subs and whining and fuss reaches its critical mass its probable they will do something about it as well. And I'm sure they wont directly stop it they make it more difficult or expensive like the privateer nerf, whether its a buffed concord or something idk. Originally by: MotherMoon and didn't the goons just get told keep doing it by having a news post? Le Skunk posted a few weeks back that a news report was the nail in the coffin and hes been right so far lets see if hes right again. An possible reaction if it reach the critical mass would a reduction or voiding of insurance in Concord kills. No effects on alliance fights, limited effect on new players. It would **** off suicide gankers in high sec, but if really Goons are killing 100 hulks every couple of day it can happen. But for it to happen the hulk hunt need to continue for a long time.
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:09:00 - [172] Edited by: AndrewRyan on 28/02/2008 00:11:43 Originally by: MotherMoon THEY DON"T ATTACK ANYTHING BUT HULKS AND MACK! YOU ARE DUMB. Your the Dumb one, go read the news report and the goons kill board they are claiming to be ganking other ships and haulers as well. Besides wtf are you doing? why aren't you posting your usual attention whoring "olook evrye boyd! mi drunked!!" I took your arguments apart and you have resorted to personal name calling well done Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
IlIlIlI lIlIlIl GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:11:00 - [173] Originally by: AndrewRyan Why is it you try to morally justify what you are doing? CCP doesn't like the jihad schtick, I'm casting about for a new one. Quote: Your doing it because you want to do it for fun and its not for anyone except your corp bosses and CCP to tell you otherwise. I don't think you "get" goonfleet. On the other hand, I think that perhaps you're starting to "get" CCP. 1. I kill hulks and macks in a very narrow band of security status. 2. I'm a griefer in a game designed by griefers for griefers. 3. I've only got 1 kill left before I have to go repair security status, so I want to make it a good one.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:11:00 - [174] Edited by: Gamesguy on 28/02/2008 00:12:22 Originally by: SPIONKOP Your responce is flawed in several areas. New players who join the game as miners soon realise that training/saving for the best mining ship is not worth it. Their "end game" is taken away from them so some will not stay in the game for as long. Those new miners that insist on training for and flying hulks will soon lose interest when some ass hole blows them up in 0.7. Cost to agressor maybe 0.01% of his wealth, cost to hulk pilot, maybe everything? You know when I started this game I was introduced to it by by friends who were miners, and our only goal was to mine more an better, albeit in lowsec. Never at one point was anyone's end game goal a hulk. Everyone was a total newbie miner that only wanted to mine but we all wanted different stuff. My eventual goal was an amarr navy apoc, cause I thought it was the baddest motherfcker around. Never did get the navy apoc, by the time I could afford it I knew better. Hulks require so many lvl 5 skills that no way a newbie could possibly fly one. And mining in a battleship is very viable. Quote:* stuff you have clue about There is an old quote, pvpers can mine, but miners can't pvp. Many 0.0 aliances mine/refine/manufacture their own ships, ammo, equipment(less so for t2), etc. The highsec hulk population does nothing for the economy of eve tbqh. If lowend prices rise enough yet hulks keep dying. Then people would mine in covetors and apocs. And perhaps newbies in retreivers and ospreys would have a chance to make a profit instead of having all the ore already stripped from every belt from the horde of 10 acct hulk miners.
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:12:00 - [175] Quote: Your the Dumb one, go read the news report and the goons kill board they are other ships and haulers as well Go read their killboard. They've killed 111 exhumers, 2 industrials and one mining barge.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:13:00 - [176] Originally by: AndrewRyan Edited by: AndrewRyan on 28/02/2008 00:11:43 Originally by: MotherMoon THEY DON"T ATTACK ANYTHING BUT HULKS AND MACK! YOU ARE DUMB. Your the Dumb one, go read the news report and the goons kill board they are claiming to be ganking other ships and haulers as well. Besides wtf are you doing? why aren't you posting your usual attention whoring "olook evrye boyd! mi drunked!!" I took your arguments apart and you have resorted to personal name calling well done rofl indeed
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:16:00 - [177] Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl Ardan Tanir's final straw: http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=278 Mining veld. In a hulk. In highsec. I remember being a newbie looking for a way to make money in my shiny new bantam. I flew to a belt. No rocks. I flew to another belt. No rocks. If we chase out all the hulks, maybe there will be rocks for newbies. Where the ... do you lived? In 2 years in EVE I have seen 1 (one) system stripmined bare. Even seen the corp that was doing it, no macro, no hulk (at that time they were still 500 mill), a lot of covetor, industrials and BS mining. BTW, my dear, people use tritanium to build. I have just mined 3 millions units, in my hulk, for my building needs, in a 0.5 system. There was ore with a better value, but I needed tritanium, not nocxium.
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:18:00 - [178] Veld can be mined just as well in 1.0-.8
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:20:00 - [179] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Quote: Your the Dumb one, go read the news report and the goons kill board they are other ships and haulers as well Go read their killboard. They've killed 111 exhumers, 2 industrials and one mining barge. sinice monday click previous week to see the other kills.
SPIONKOP Caldari Imperial Technology	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:22:00 - [180] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Quote: New players who join the game as miners soon realise that training/saving for the best mining ship is not worth it. Their "end game" is taken away from them so some will not stay in the game for as long. Those new miners that insist on training for and flying hulks will soon lose interest when some ass hole blows them up in 0.7. Cost to agressor maybe 0.01% of his wealth, cost to hulk pilot, maybe everything? Problem 1: You think that every person who wants to mine must have a hulk, Problem 2: You think there is an "End game" in EVE, and that said end-game involves sitting in a hulk grinding to watch the wallet grow fatter. Problem 3: If the player put EVERYTHING HE HAD into his hulk, he did something wrong. When he loses it, it's his fault, not CCP's, and not the Goons' Most people who want to mine will choose to train for a hulk. It the best ship for empire mineral mining. It actually does not take that long to get the skills. The phrase "end game" may have been a poor choice, but everyone has aims in eve, For a miner that will proberably Hulk and when they achive that maybe they move on to another challange or CCP bring out a new mining ship. Mining in high sec is not exactly doing something wrong is it. THe goons attitude to hulk miners sucks and they have no ******* right to abuse the spirt of "high Sec" in such a way. Yes I blame Goons they are bullys and I blame CCP for letting this situation of Empire Ganking get out of hand for so long. The goons have no right to deny paying customers the ability to enjoy the game. Its harrasment and should be stopped. Their actions are once again damaging the reputation of a great game. They are bullys but CCP should also shoulder some of the blame for allowing it to continue. --------------------------------------------- Space For Rent. 100mil ISK/Week.
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:22:00 - [181] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Quote: Your the Dumb one, go read the news report and the goons kill board they are other ships and haulers as well Go read their killboard. They've killed 111 exhumers, 2 industrials and one mining barge. Nice attempt to quote me out of context, the full context of that statement was replying to this rant:- Originally by: MotherMoon THEY DON"T ATTACK *ANYTHING* BUT HULKS AND MACK! YOU ARE DUMB. so my reply was Quote: Your the Dumb one, go read the news report and the goons kill board they are other ships and haulers as well Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
Xoria Mua	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:24:00 - [182] This is not so much about suicide ganking someone. It is about one of the largest if not the largest alliance in the game ganking a bunch of defenseless boats for no more reason then they can. Mind you this is in high sector space where it is supposed to be relatively safe. What does this say for the game? Why would any one want to join up for this? So I will tell you this I am gone. I have two accounts and no I will not be giving any of you creeps my stuff. I refuse to be the butt of this idiocy and will warn any one to not bother to play this game. I invested over a year of time into manufactoring skills not fighting skills and this sort of twit play is a game breaker for me. Not that I expect you to care about my leaving, however think what if a couple thousand people decide to do this. What will happen to your game then. This sort of stupidity is a game killer.
Maraa Jayde Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:25:00 - [183] Originally by: Jack Jombardo Edited by: Jack Jombardo on 27/02/2008 11:49:42 Originally by: Dai Nau Originally by: Jack Jombardo CCP should realy stop this real religion fanatic behaviors and swing the ban-club against every single player who uses it! selfe edited as the origin is destroyed by CCP I'm an "Atheist" and so ... it's equal to me. BUT it's sad anough to see every second day some suicid bombers killing hundrets of civilian people in the name of *insert random god" and so SHUT UP! @CCP, stop this behavior! Something tells me that if someone used overtly religious terminology from the real world that DIDNT come from the one large religion in the real world that condones "Jihad" (killing by suicide) that CCP would have deleted the forum posts and likely banned the ISD person who abused his ability to post about it as "news". For example, if a counter "crusade" against the "jihad" were promoted I GUARANTEE that this would be stamped out. I call on CCP to enforce THEIR OWN RULES against bringing anything from real world religion onto the forums, into the game, etc, at once. Or rescind them. Anything else is hypocrisy. I was very offended by the "news" posting, given the fact that I knew people who died on 9.11 and also have a family member who was WOUNDED in Iraq in an attack by a brave "jihadi". Fact of the matter is that this whole thing is "teh lose" for CCP, not only by allowing suicide ganking on this scale in Empire are they discouraging players from staying, they are offending large portions of their customer base. I have petitioned for the "news" item to be edited or removed, and the "jihad" references to be wiped from the forums and I invite everyone else to do the same.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:27:00 - [184] Originally by: SPIONKOP The goons have no right to deny paying customers the ability to enjoy the game. Its harrasment and should be stopped. Their actions are once again damaging the reputation of a great game. They are bullys but CCP should also shoulder some of the blame for allowing it to continue. Are we even playing the same game? This is Eve mate. I realize that mmo forums tend to have the same types of content so check the forums game title before you post as I'm certain you must mean some other game than Eve. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:29:00 - [185] Originally by: Xoria Mua This is not so much about suicide ganking someone. It is about one of the largest if not the largest alliance in the game ganking a bunch of defenseless boats for no more reason then they can. Mind you this is in high sector space where it is supposed to be relatively safe. What does this say for the game? Why would any one want to join up for this? So I will tell you this I am gone. I have two accounts and no I will not be giving any of you creeps my stuff. I refuse to be the butt of this idiocy and will warn any one to not bother to play this game. I invested over a year of time into manufactoring skills not fighting skills and this sort of twit play is a game breaker for me. Not that I expect you to care about my leaving, however think what if a couple thousand people decide to do this. What will happen to your game then. This sort of stupidity is a game killer. https://secure.eve-online.com/ft/FTDefault.aspx?aid=102321&bid=&nogreet=1 EXPERIENCE AN MMO UNIVERSE LIKE NO OTHER [*]THE MOST INTENSE PvP INTERFACE Award-winning Player-vs-Player, ship-to-ship combat engagements that risk some of the most severe death penalties of any MMO. Its a harsh world little one.
RedlegSA Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:29:00 - [186] Originally by: Maraa Jayde "Jihad" (killing by suicide) Fun fact - Jihad is "struggle" and does not necessarily mean combat. It may mean living life ethically or helping people in need. Jihad is the struggle to be a good person in the context of that religion :eng101:
Maraa Jayde Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:34:00 - [187] Edited by: Maraa Jayde on 28/02/2008 00:34:51 Originally by: RedlegSA Originally by: Maraa Jayde "Jihad" (killing by suicide) Fun fact - Jihad is "struggle" and does not necessarily mean combat. It may mean living life ethically or helping people in need. Jihad is the struggle to be a good person in the context of that religion :eng101: Funny, that's not what it means as it's reported in the news every day. And I'm not going to get into arguing the specific points if Islam here, but suffice to say that your definition of it is very much in dispute. Again, this is an example of why CCP's ban on using religion or real world events/politics here and in game is a sensible one and should be enforced. The Goons can play at being king of Empire all they want. I thought they were supposed to be fighting BOB, but I guess that was too much for them so they've had to turn on killing people who can't fight back, and in contaminating the game forums and in game news with this crap. The goons are not exactly enhancing their reputation with this behavior, and I suspect, may find this event brought up later on as a cause for the whole game uniting to eliminate THEM from space as BOB is being eliminated now. But I digress. This stuff does NOT belong in the game or on the forums. The reason why we are even discussing this right now is that CCP themselves have glorified it with a news post, which is extremely poor judgement on their part.
IlIlIlI lIlIlIl GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:37:00 - [188] Originally by: Maraa Jayde I knew people who died on 9.11 and also have a family member who was WOUNDED in Iraq in an attack by a brave "jihadi". Oh, I was waiting for this one. I was wounded in Afghanistan. Not "I have a family member". Not "I know a guy". Me. I wear a memorial bracelet of a friend who died in Iraq, a week after I got hit. If he were still alive, he'd probably be setting up warp-ins for me, and laughing at you for being so easily offended. It's just a game, get over yourself.
Xar Zhun	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:38:00 - [189] Firstly as someone who had to go to a funeral recently of a friend of 15 years who was blown up by a so called jihadist suicide bomber in Iraq I am on the brink of cancelling both of my accounts over this. Forget what these children are doing, the use of language in local is worthy of a ban CCP you have to either deal with this or lose all credibility with those of us who didnt specifically join EVE to PVP. Get your fingers out of your collective arses and make a decision - and if goonswarm are deemed to be out of order at a minimum BAN the devs who are either complicit in this so called "event"
Sar Citashk	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:38:00 - [190] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Xoria Mua This is not so much about suicide ganking someone. It is about one of the largest if not the largest alliance in the game ganking a bunch of defenseless boats for no more reason then they can. Mind you this is in high sector space where it is supposed to be relatively safe. What does this say for the game? Why would any one want to join up for this? So I will tell you this I am gone. I have two accounts and no I will not be giving any of you creeps my stuff. I refuse to be the butt of this idiocy and will warn any one to not bother to play this game. I invested over a year of time into manufactoring skills not fighting skills and this sort of twit play is a game breaker for me. Not that I expect you to care about my leaving, however think what if a couple thousand people decide to do this. What will happen to your game then. This sort of stupidity is a game killer. https://secure.eve-online.com/ft/FTDefault.aspx?aid=102321&bid=&nogreet=1 EXPERIENCE AN MMO UNIVERSE LIKE NO OTHER []THE MOST INTENSE PvP INTERFACE Award-winning Player-vs-Player, ship-to-ship combat engagements that risk some of the most severe death penalties of any MMO. Its a harsh world little one. Excuse me here.. but I would like to say this. Not everyone wants to be a f---ing PvPer. Especially if we are in HIGH-SEC SPACE*
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:39:00 - [191] Edited by: Zeba on 28/02/2008 00:39:55 Originally by: Maraa Jayde Edited by: Maraa Jayde on 28/02/2008 00:34:51 Originally by: RedlegSA Originally by: Maraa Jayde "Jihad" (killing by suicide) Fun fact - Jihad is "struggle" and does not necessarily mean combat. It may mean living life ethically or helping people in need. Jihad is the struggle to be a good person in the context of that religion :eng101: Funny, that's not what it means as it's reported in the news every day. And I'm not going to get into arguing the specific points if Islam here, but suffice to say that your definition of it is very much in dispute. News =! Reality News = Spin Modern major news services get moar attention (hence moar advertising income) by yukking up the negative aspects of whatever has the current public interest. The goons defenition of Jihad is correct. Originally by: Sar Citashk Excuse me here.. but I would like to say this. Not everyone wants to be a f---ing PvPer. Especially if we are in HIGH-SEC SPACE Wrong game then mate. Nobody is exempt from unconsentual pvp in Eve. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:39:00 - [192] Originally by: Xar Zhun Firstly as someone who had to go to a funeral recently of a friend of 15 years who was blown up by a so called jihadist suicide bomber in Iraq I am on the brink of cancelling both of my accounts over this. Forget what these children are doing, the use of language in local is worthy of a ban CCP you have to either deal with this or lose all credibility with those of us who didnt specifically join EVE to PVP. Get your fingers out of your collective arses and make a decision - and if goonswarm are deemed to be out of order at a minimum BAN the devs who are either complicit in this so called "event" Can I have your stuff?
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:41:00 - [193] Edited by: Gamesguy on 28/02/2008 00:41:09 Originally by: Sar Citashk Excuse me here.. but I would like to say this. Not everyone wants to be a f---ing PvPer. Especially if we are in HIGH-SEC SPACE Too bad, ccp disagrees with you.http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=341 Perhaps you should play a different game, one where the developers didnt design as a pvp game.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:41:00 - [194] Originally by: Maraa Jayde Edited by: Maraa Jayde on 28/02/2008 00:34:51 Originally by: RedlegSA Originally by: Maraa Jayde "Jihad" (killing by suicide) Fun fact - Jihad is "struggle" and does not necessarily mean combat. It may mean living life ethically or helping people in need. Jihad is the struggle to be a good person in the context of that religion :eng101: Funny, that's not what it means as it's reported in the news every day. And I'm not going to get into arguing the specific points if Islam here, but suffice to say that your definition of it is very much in dispute. Technically, the literal meaning of the word, as an Arabic word, is struggle towards a set purpose or something to that effect. So, in that sense he is right. However, the common implied meaning of the word as an Islamic religious term (which is the way it's been mainly used since Muhammed's days) is "religious war". (Note the two parts I highlighted.)
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:41:00 - [195] Edited by: AndrewRyan on 28/02/2008 00:42:09 Originally by: Maraa Jayde CCP themselves have glorified it with a news post, which is extremely poor judgement on their part. Its been quickly buried by a huge bunch of spam about the alliance tourney by the looks of it. Personally I don't the find the term "Jihad" offensive, I can see that some people might though and others might see the opportunity to use the plausible offensiveness of it as a good excuse to sling poo at the goons and this new activity of theirs. Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
SPIONKOP Caldari Imperial Technology	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:41:00 - [196] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: SPIONKOP The goons have no right to deny paying customers the ability to enjoy the game. Its harrasment and should be stopped. Their actions are once again damaging the reputation of a great game. They are bullys but CCP should also shoulder some of the blame for allowing it to continue. Are we even playing the same game? This is Eve mate. I realize that mmo forums tend to have the same types of content so check the forums game title before you post as I'm certain you must mean some other game than Eve. A goon alt, and no I am not your mate. The goons are doing another great job of attempting to wreck eve. They have the resources to effectivly stop 100's maybe even 1000's of players from playing the game. What gives them the righ to effectivly shut down the game time of these miners and paying customers. Eve is about fun and entertainment. For some its mining the crap out of roids in the ship of there choice in high sec space. For a scummy alliance like the goons to decide that they can no longer do that is imoral, against the spirit of the game and sucks. For CCP to allow it is most frustrating. People thinking of joining eve may will read about this kind of **** in the game forums. Many will leave and spread the word. I used to think Bob were bad guys, but they never stooped this low. So far as I am concerned the goons are now enemy number 1. Lets see what happens. --------------------------------------------- Space For Rent. 100mil ISK/Week.
Xar Bekka	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:42:00 - [197] Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl Originally by: Maraa Jayde I knew people who died on 9.11 and also have a family member who was WOUNDED in Iraq in an attack by a brave "jihadi". Oh, I was waiting for this one. I was wounded in Afghanistan. Not "I have a family member". Not "I know a guy". Me. I wear a memorial bracelet of a friend who died in Iraq, a week after I got hit. If he were still alive, he'd probably be setting up warp-ins for me, and laughing at you for being so easily offended. It's just a game, get over yourself. Then you are a disgrace to your uniform
Xar Zhun	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:43:00 - [198] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Xar Zhun Firstly as someone who had to go to a funeral recently of a friend of 15 years who was blown up by a so called jihadist suicide bomber in Iraq I am on the brink of cancelling both of my accounts over this. Forget what these children are doing, the use of language in local is worthy of a ban CCP you have to either deal with this or lose all credibility with those of us who didnt specifically join EVE to PVP. Get your fingers out of your collective arses and make a decision - and if goonswarm are deemed to be out of order at a minimum BAN the devs who are either complicit in this so called "event" Can I have your stuff? Sure horizontally be okay?
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:44:00 - [199] Originally by: Xar Bekka Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl Originally by: Maraa Jayde I knew people who died on 9.11 and also have a family member who was WOUNDED in Iraq in an attack by a brave "jihadi". Oh, I was waiting for this one. I was wounded in Afghanistan. Not "I have a family member". Not "I know a guy". Me. I wear a memorial bracelet of a friend who died in Iraq, a week after I got hit. If he were still alive, he'd probably be setting up warp-ins for me, and laughing at you for being so easily offended. It's just a game, get over yourself. Then you are a disgrace to your uniform Its people like you who have no clue what the word patriotism actually means.
Jason Travers Space 1999	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:44:00 - [200] Edited by: Jason Travers on 28/02/2008 00:46:28 Well I just finished reading the report on GS (Goonswarm) ganking highsec miners. (http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1810&tid=7) To me it is appalling that it is obviously supported by CCP. I myself will say this. I am a highsecer and I play this game for relaxation and for fun. Allowing these terrorists to dictate CCP policy is showing me the real power behind the game and it is obviously not the people but the will and want of a few corps. It sorely reminds me of the situation with the GMÆs and BoB where they were using there powers to give an unfair advantage to BoB. It appears to me, GS is the new BoB. What they have declared publicly is a greafing of highsec people. They are clearly ôtargeting a select group of peopleö with the intent to force them to move into lowersec space by hindering their enjoyment of the game due to their own want. This is clearly against the EULA of the game. I myself will not hesitate at the first time I am ganked in highsec by GS to liquidate all of my assets and hire as many merc corps as possible to wardec every one in the GS. And yes I do have a substantial amount. Once all the isk is used up I will then quit the game and cancel my 3 accounts (yes I 3box) and I will encourage all the highsec corps and individuals to do the same. We as highsecers make up the majority of the financial assets of CCP as well as the in-game isk. If enough of the highsec people were to just quit the game it will put a financial burden on CCP and possibly force them to change their policies or close the game down all together. In addition I will also be writing an article to all the PC and MMO magazines and web reviews about eve and the true workings of it and why in my own opinion not a game for others to play. But I will wait to see if CCP continues to support this action or decides to enforce their own policies or if I get GS ganked. Which ever comes first.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:45:00 - [201] Edited by: Zeba on 28/02/2008 00:45:16 Originally by: SPIONKOPA goon alt, and no I am not your mate. I seriously doubt the Goons would have me. As per the rest of your post that I didn't quote. --> Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Maraa Jayde Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:45:00 - [202] Originally by: Xar Zhun Firstly as someone who had to go to a funeral recently of a friend of 15 years who was blown up by a so called jihadist suicide bomber in Iraq I am on the brink of cancelling both of my accounts over this. Forget what these children are doing, the use of language in local is worthy of a ban CCP you have to either deal with this or lose all credibility with those of us who didnt specifically join EVE to PVP. Get your fingers out of your collective arses and make a decision - and if goonswarm are deemed to be out of order at a minimum BAN the devs who are either complicit in this so called "event" I'm also considering forwarding the "news" story and this incident to news outlets, such as /newstipping Drudge. CCP needs to stop this madness NOW... Or else find themselves on the Drudge Report for all the WRONG reasons. There are a LOT of people who play this game who are military or ex military who have served in the war. I can imagine that if they read this they will be offended. It'd really be sad for the recent gains of EVE to be harmed or reversed because some forum mod/news poster woke up this morning and took a stupid pill. What Goonswarm is doing is perfectly legal by the game mechanics, true. But HOW they are advertising it, and CCP themselves in glorifying it are in violation of their OWN rules. There are things you just don't make light of, and this is one of them.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:45:00 - [203] Originally by: Jason Travers Well I just finished reading the report on GS (Goonswarm) ganking highsec miners. (http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1810&tid=7) To me it is appalling that it is obviously supported by CCP. I myself will say this. I am a highsecer and I play this game for relaxation and for fun. Allowing these terrorists to dictate CCP policy is showing me the real power behind the game and it is obviously not the people but the will and want of a few corps. It sorely reminds me of the situation with the GMÆs and BoB where they were using there powers to give an unfair advantage to BoB. It appears to me, GS is the new BoB. What they have declared publicly is a greafing of highsec people. They are clearly ôtargeting a select group of peopleö with the intent to force them to move into lowersec space by hindering their enjoyment of the game due to their own want. This is clearly against the EULA of the game. I myself will not hesitate at the first time I am ganked in highsec by GS to liquidate all of my assets and hire as many merc corps as possible to wardec every one in the GS. And yes I do have a substantial amount. Once all the isk is used up I will then quit the game and cancel my 3 accounts (yes I 3box) and I will encourage all the highsec corps and individuals to do the same. We as highsecers make up the majority of the financial assets of CCP as well as the in-game isk. If enough of the highsec people were to just quit the game it will put a financial burden on CCP and possibly force them to chance their policies or close the game down all together. In addition I will also be writing an article to all the PC and MMO magazines and web reviews about eve and the true workings of it and why in my own opinion not a game for others to play. But I will wait to see if CCP continues to support this action or decides to enforce their own policies or if I get GS ganked. Which ever comes first. No one will miss you. For every hulk pilot that quits, 5 joins through steam to mine in ospreys. Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:47:00 - [204] Originally by: Xoria Mua This is not so much about suicide ganking someone. It is about one of the largest if not the largest alliance in the game ganking a bunch of defenseless boats for no more reason then they can. Mind you this is in high sector space where it is supposed to be relatively safe. What does this say for the game? Why would any one want to join up for this? So I will tell you this I am gone. I have two accounts and no I will not be giving any of you creeps my stuff. I refuse to be the butt of this idiocy and will warn any one to not bother to play this game. I invested over a year of time into manufactoring skills not fighting skills and this sort of twit play is a game breaker for me. Not that I expect you to care about my leaving, however think what if a couple thousand people decide to do this. What will happen to your game then. This sort of stupidity is a game killer. well then I guess we'll only have 36,000 people online instead of 39,000
Cameron Vayle Omnicron Industrial Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:50:00 - [205] Originally by: Jason Travers Edited by: Jason Travers on 28/02/2008 00:46:28 Well I just finished reading the report on GS (Goonswarm) ganking highsec miners. (http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1810&tid=7) To me it is appalling that it is obviously supported by CCP. I myself will say this. I am a highsecer and I play this game for relaxation and for fun. Allowing these terrorists to dictate CCP policy is showing me the real power behind the game and it is obviously not the people but the will and want of a few corps. It sorely reminds me of the situation with the GMÆs and BoB where they were using there powers to give an unfair advantage to BoB. It appears to me, GS is the new BoB. What they have declared publicly is a greafing of highsec people. They are clearly ôtargeting a select group of peopleö with the intent to force them to move into lowersec space by hindering their enjoyment of the game due to their own want. This is clearly against the EULA of the game. I myself will not hesitate at the first time I am ganked in highsec by GS to liquidate all of my assets and hire as many merc corps as possible to wardec every one in the GS. And yes I do have a substantial amount. Once all the isk is used up I will then quit the game and cancel my 3 accounts (yes I 3box) and I will encourage all the highsec corps and individuals to do the same. We as highsecers make up the majority of the financial assets of CCP as well as the in-game isk. If enough of the highsec people were to just quit the game it will put a financial burden on CCP and possibly force them to change their policies or close the game down all together. In addition I will also be writing an article to all the PC and MMO magazines and web reviews about eve and the true workings of it and why in my own opinion not a game for others to play. But I will wait to see if CCP continues to support this action or decides to enforce their own policies or if I get GS ganked. Which ever comes first. Well said! BTW...still waiting on you to come kill me Goonies.... Oh.... Forgot.... you put a 50 million ISK bounty on my head instead.... Guess you are scared of a simple miner after all.....
SPIONKOP Caldari Imperial Technology	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:50:00 - [206] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Xoria Mua This is not so much about suicide ganking someone. It is about one of the largest if not the largest alliance in the game ganking a bunch of defenseless boats for no more reason then they can. Mind you this is in high sector space where it is supposed to be relatively safe. What does this say for the game? Why would any one want to join up for this? So I will tell you this I am gone. I have two accounts and no I will not be giving any of you creeps my stuff. I refuse to be the butt of this idiocy and will warn any one to not bother to play this game. I invested over a year of time into manufactoring skills not fighting skills and this sort of twit play is a game breaker for me. Not that I expect you to care about my leaving, however think what if a couple thousand people decide to do this. What will happen to your game then. This sort of stupidity is a game killer. well then I guess we'll only have 36,000 people online instead of 39,000 And then 33,000 and then 30,000 and then 25,000. I bet CCP will be delighted with that. --------------------------------------------- Space For Rent. 100mil ISK/Week.
Zorlag Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:50:00 - [207] You people seriously have no idea how much I love this thread
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:51:00 - [208] Originally by: Gamesguy No one will miss you. For every hulk pilot that quits, 5 joins through steam to mine in ospreys. Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out. You should read an article on MMORPG called Pursuit of a mythical audience which documented SOE ignoring its existing subscribing player base in the hopes of attracting more new players, we all know how well that served SOE. Any development company would be insane to follow in SOEs footsteps after as that visible disaster sets a firm precedent. Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
Maraa Jayde Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:51:00 - [209] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Quote: This is not so much about suicide ganking someone. It is about one of the largest if not the largest alliance in the game ganking a bunch of defenseless boats for no more reason then they can. Mind you this is in high sector space where it is supposed to be relatively safe. What does this say for the game? Why would any one want to join up for this? So I will tell you this I am gone. I have two accounts and no I will not be giving any of you creeps my stuff. I refuse to be the butt of this idiocy and will warn any one to not bother to play this game. I invested over a year of time into manufactoring skills not fighting skills and this sort of twit play is a game breaker for me. Not that I expect you to care about my leaving, however think what if a couple thousand people decide to do this. What will happen to your game then. This sort of stupidity is a game killer. Why would anyone join up for this? I ask you this: Why would anyone join up so they can, day after day, sit in a belt and mine. And mine. And mine. And mine. For all these "zomfg EVE will lose subscribers"...for every whiner that leaves, another person who is intrigued by the open-nature of EVE (No magical shields protecting you from attack) will join. The same can be said for sitting there for hours mindlessly camping a gate or station, now could it?
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:52:00 - [210] Originally by: SPIONKOP Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Xar Zhun Firstly as someone who had to go to a funeral recently of a friend of 15 years who was blown up by a so called jihadist suicide bomber in Iraq I am on the brink of cancelling both of my accounts over this. Forget what these children are doing, the use of language in local is worthy of a ban CCP you have to either deal with this or lose all credibility with those of us who didnt specifically join EVE to PVP. Get your fingers out of your collective arses and make a decision - and if goonswarm are deemed to be out of order at a minimum BAN the devs who are either complicit in this so called "event" Can I have your stuff? Good god, your an insensitive *****. Please, everyone in this thread has had a friend die in iraq, or 9/11, or whatever, because everyone on the internet always tells the truth amiright? I have a friend in the army over in Iraq right now, and he joked around about this stuff when he came over a few months ago on leave.
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:52:00 - [211] Quote: And then 33,000 and then 30,000 and then 25,000. I bet CCP will be delighted with that. Yes, because a few people who solo mine in hisec with t2 mining barges getting blown up is going to kill the game.
Maraa Jayde Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:52:00 - [212] Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: Gamesguy No one will miss you. For every hulk pilot that quits, 5 joins through steam to mine in ospreys. Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out. You should read an article on MMORPG called Pursuit of a mythical audience which documented SOE ignoring its existing subscribing player base in the hopes of attracting more new players, we all know how well that served SOE. Any development company would be insane to follow in SOEs footsteps after as that visible disaster sets a firm precedent. Yep, and I'm one of that existing "bird in the hand" that SOE lost in their pursuit of "two in the bush" that never showed up.
Jason Travers Space 1999	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:53:00 - [213] Well Gamesguy You obviously donÆt have a real clue on life. For every one pilot the quits you say 5 takes their place is a farce. There is no waiting line to join eve therefore it makes no difference in the amount of people who join at any given time. What does make the difference are the accounts that are no longer drawing in money to CCP, which creates a financial burden. Granted my 3 accounts wonÆt have much impact but you multiply that time say 10 thousand. That will make an impact. As well as the other people that will be turned away from trying the game due to poor reviews.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:53:00 - [214] Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: Gamesguy No one will miss you. For every hulk pilot that quits, 5 joins through steam to mine in ospreys. Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out. You should read an article on MMORPG called Pursuit of a mythical audience which documented SOE ignoring its existing subscribing player base in the hopes of attracting more new players, we all know how well that served SOE. Any development company would be insane to follow in SOEs footsteps after as that visible disaster sets a firm precedent. The audience ccp wanted is already here, in fact, they're the ones doing the ganking. So.. get a clue before you post.
Maraa Jayde Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:54:00 - [215] Originally by: Cameron Vayle Originally by: Jason Travers Edited by: Jason Travers on 28/02/2008 00:46:28 Well I just finished reading the report on GS (Goonswarm) ganking highsec miners. (http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1810&tid=7) To me it is appalling that it is obviously supported by CCP. I myself will say this. I am a highsecer and I play this game for relaxation and for fun. Allowing these terrorists to dictate CCP policy is showing me the real power behind the game and it is obviously not the people but the will and want of a few corps. It sorely reminds me of the situation with the GMÆs and BoB where they were using there powers to give an unfair advantage to BoB. It appears to me, GS is the new BoB. What they have declared publicly is a greafing of highsec people. They are clearly ôtargeting a select group of peopleö with the intent to force them to move into lowersec space by hindering their enjoyment of the game due to their own want. This is clearly against the EULA of the game. I myself will not hesitate at the first time I am ganked in highsec by GS to liquidate all of my assets and hire as many merc corps as possible to wardec every one in the GS. And yes I do have a substantial amount. Once all the isk is used up I will then quit the game and cancel my 3 accounts (yes I 3box) and I will encourage all the highsec corps and individuals to do the same. We as highsecers make up the majority of the financial assets of CCP as well as the in-game isk. If enough of the highsec people were to just quit the game it will put a financial burden on CCP and possibly force them to change their policies or close the game down all together. In addition I will also be writing an article to all the PC and MMO magazines and web reviews about eve and the true workings of it and why in my own opinion not a game for others to play. But I will wait to see if CCP continues to support this action or decides to enforce their own policies or if I get GS ganked. Which ever comes first. Well said! BTW...still waiting on you to come kill me Goonies.... Oh.... Forgot.... you put a 50 million ISK bounty on my head instead.... Guess you are scared of a simple miner after all..... Jump clone, get a friend to pod you, and use that 50M for your merc fund.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:54:00 - [216] Originally by: Jason Travers Well Gamesguy You obviously donÆt have a real clue on life. For every one pilot the quits you say 5 takes their place is a farce. There is no waiting line to join eve therefore it makes no difference in the amount of people who join at any given time. What does make the difference are the accounts that are no longer drawing in money to CCP, which creates a financial burden. Granted my 3 accounts wonÆt have much impact but you multiply that time say 10 thousand. That will make an impact. As well as the other people that will be turned away from trying the game due to poor reviews. Because obviously there are ten thousand hulks in empire getting ganked. Stop trying to pretend this is anything but a drop in the bucket on the scale of things. No one cares if 100 hulk miners quit, so please, by all means, quit.
RedlegSA Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:55:00 - [217] As an employee of the United States government I am horribly offended by GOOOOOOOOOOOONS I will be writing my congressman forthwith.
Xar Zhun	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:56:00 - [218] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: SPIONKOP Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Xar Zhun Firstly as someone who had to go to a funeral recently of a friend of 15 years who was blown up by a so called jihadist suicide bomber in Iraq I am on the brink of cancelling both of my accounts over this. Forget what these children are doing, the use of language in local is worthy of a ban CCP you have to either deal with this or lose all credibility with those of us who didnt specifically join EVE to PVP. Get your fingers out of your collective arses and make a decision - and if goonswarm are deemed to be out of order at a minimum BAN the devs who are either complicit in this so called "event" Can I have your stuff? Good god, your an insensitive *****. Please, everyone in this thread has had a friend die in iraq, or 9/11, or whatever, because everyone on the internet always tells the truth amiright? I have a friend in the army over in Iraq right now, and he joked around about this stuff when he came over a few months ago on leave. Right so we are lying about this...... Just proves the mentality of these kiddies If thats the best youve got then go back to you pit and knock one off over the pantie catalogue. Just make sure your moomieeeee dont catch you
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:56:00 - [219] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: Gamesguy No one will miss you. For every hulk pilot that quits, 5 joins through steam to mine in ospreys. Dont let the door hit your ass on the way out. You should read an article on MMORPG called Pursuit of a mythical audience which documented SOE ignoring its existing subscribing player base in the hopes of attracting more new players, we all know how well that served SOE. Any development company would be insane to follow in SOEs footsteps after as that visible disaster sets a firm precedent. The audience ccp wanted is already here, in fact, they're the ones doing the ganking. So.. get a clue before you post. So the statistics in the economic blog showing the majority of people living in high sec are wrong to? Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:56:00 - [220] Originally by: SPIONKOP Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Xoria Mua This is not so much about suicide ganking someone. It is about one of the largest if not the largest alliance in the game ganking a bunch of defenseless boats for no more reason then they can. Mind you this is in high sector space where it is supposed to be relatively safe. What does this say for the game? Why would any one want to join up for this? So I will tell you this I am gone. I have two accounts and no I will not be giving any of you creeps my stuff. I refuse to be the butt of this idiocy and will warn any one to not bother to play this game. I invested over a year of time into manufactoring skills not fighting skills and this sort of twit play is a game breaker for me. Not that I expect you to care about my leaving, however think what if a couple thousand people decide to do this. What will happen to your game then. This sort of stupidity is a game killer. well then I guess we'll only have 36,000 people online instead of 39,000 And then 33,000 and then 30,000 and then 25,000. I bet CCP will be delighted with that. When I started playing a little more than a year ago, it would barely get up to above 25,000 at peak times. They can do without you. Eve has non-consensual pvp combat everywhere, including in high-sec, and it's set up that way. High-sec is meant to be safer, not safe. There is nothing wrong if you don't like that. It just means this isn't the right game for you and maybe you should look for one that suits your taste in games better.
Zorlag Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:57:00 - [221] Edited by: Zorlag on 28/02/2008 00:57:51 Originally by: Maraa Jayde Jump clone, get a friend to pod you, and use that 50M for your merc fund. It's not a bounty on his pod, just here :( i'd get a locator agent but mine is like 10 jumps away whereas defenseless hulks are only 3 jumps away, soooo
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:59:00 - [222] Originally by: Xar Zhun Right so we are lying about this...... Just proves the mentality of these kiddies If thats the best youve got then go back to you pit and knock one off over the pantie catalogue. Just make sure your moomieeeee dont catch you Typical insults a 14 year old uses. Go away troll.
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:59:00 - [223] Quote: Right so we are lying about this...... Just proves the mentality of these kiddies If thats the best youve got then go back to you pit and knock one off over the pantie catalogue. Just make sure your moomieeeee dont catch you Who's more immature: the person who makes controversial jokes for **s and giggles, or the person who goes ape at what some people say over the internets? Stop complaining, toughen up, and stop letting ** like this bother you.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:59:00 - [224] Originally by: AndrewRyan So the statistics in the economic blog showing the majority of people living in high sec are wrong to? The majority of people living in high sec don't mine in hulks or even mine at all past newb attempts to get isk for thier first mission ship. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.28 00:59:00 - [225] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Eve has non-consensual pvp combat everywhere, including in high-sec, and it's set up that way. High-sec is meant to be safer, not safe. There is nothing wrong if you don't like that. It just means this isn't the right game for you and maybe you should look for one that suits your taste in games better. Non Consensual pvp is one thing but one of the games largest alliances committing coordinated mass suicide ganks is something else entirely, the only thing that you can compare this to was the Privateers and they got nerfed. Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
Cameron Vayle Omnicron Industrial Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:00:00 - [226] Originally by: Maraa Jayde Originally by: Cameron Vayle Originally by: Jason Travers Edited by: Jason Travers on 28/02/2008 00:46:28 Well I just finished reading the report on GS (Goonswarm) ganking highsec miners. (http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1810&tid=7) To me it is appalling that it is obviously supported by CCP. I myself will say this. I am a highsecer and I play this game for relaxation and for fun. Allowing these terrorists to dictate CCP policy is showing me the real power behind the game and it is obviously not the people but the will and want of a few corps. It sorely reminds me of the situation with the GMÆs and BoB where they were using there powers to give an unfair advantage to BoB. It appears to me, GS is the new BoB. What they have declared publicly is a greafing of highsec people. They are clearly ôtargeting a select group of peopleö with the intent to force them to move into lowersec space by hindering their enjoyment of the game due to their own want. This is clearly against the EULA of the game. I myself will not hesitate at the first time I am ganked in highsec by GS to liquidate all of my assets and hire as many merc corps as possible to wardec every one in the GS. And yes I do have a substantial amount. Once all the isk is used up I will then quit the game and cancel my 3 accounts (yes I 3box) and I will encourage all the highsec corps and individuals to do the same. We as highsecers make up the majority of the financial assets of CCP as well as the in-game isk. If enough of the highsec people were to just quit the game it will put a financial burden on CCP and possibly force them to change their policies or close the game down all together. In addition I will also be writing an article to all the PC and MMO magazines and web reviews about eve and the true workings of it and why in my own opinion not a game for others to play. But I will wait to see if CCP continues to support this action or decides to enforce their own policies or if I get GS ganked. Which ever comes first. Well said! BTW...still waiting on you to come kill me Goonies.... Oh.... Forgot.... you put a 50 million ISK bounty on my head instead.... Guess you are scared of a simple miner after all..... Jump clone, get a friend to pod you, and use that 50M for your merc fund. I would but you see..since the bounty was put out on me on the forums here in this thread you know they, the goonies, will not pay up even if someone does kill me off. I mean..come on...to scared to kill me personally, have to put a bounty on my head as they can't do it ingame per my standing being positive...how much of wht they say can you believe when they make a promise....
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:01:00 - [227] Edited by: Gamesguy on 28/02/2008 01:01:23 Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: Reem Fairchild Eve has non-consensual pvp combat everywhere, including in high-sec, and it's set up that way. High-sec is meant to be safer, not safe. There is nothing wrong if you don't like that. It just means this isn't the right game for you and maybe you should look for one that suits your taste in games better. Non Consensual pvp is one thing but one of the games largest alliances committing coordinated mass suicide ganks is something else entirely, the only thing that you can compare this to was the Privateers and they got nerfed. Dude, its like 50 people from goonswarm, out of over five thousand. Seriously, if goons really wanted to mass suicide gank in highsec, it'd have a much bigger impact than killing a hundred hulks every week. I doubt its coordinated at all, more like just random people doing it because its fun.
SPIONKOP Caldari Imperial Technology	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:01:00 - [228] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: SPIONKOP Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Xar Zhun Firstly as someone who had to go to a funeral recently of a friend of 15 years who was blown up by a so called jihadist suicide bomber in Iraq I am on the brink of cancelling both of my accounts over this. Forget what these children are doing, the use of language in local is worthy of a ban CCP you have to either deal with this or lose all credibility with those of us who didnt specifically join EVE to PVP. Get your fingers out of your collective arses and make a decision - and if goonswarm are deemed to be out of order at a minimum BAN the devs who are either complicit in this so called "event" Can I have your stuff? Good god, your an insensitive *****. Please, everyone in this thread has had a friend die in iraq, or 9/11, or whatever, because everyone on the internet always tells the truth amiright? I have a friend in the army over in Iraq right now, and he joked around about this stuff when he came over a few months ago on leave. I don't know anyone who died in 9/11 or in Iraq. I only know that people did die and some more will die tomorrow. Maybe he was at a funeral, maybe he wasn't but by mocking him you mock those who will read this having lost friends and loved ones. Please don't do it again. --------------------------------------------- Space For Rent. 100mil ISK/Week.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:02:00 - [229] Originally by: Zorlag Edited by: Zorlag on 28/02/2008 00:57:51 Originally by: Maraa Jayde Jump clone, get a friend to pod you, and use that 50M for your merc fund. It's not a bounty on his pod, just here :( i'd get a locator agent but mine is like 10 jumps away whereas defenseless hulks are only 3 jumps away, soooo well if I]we see him :P Also I don't understand what makes people think that everyone is mining in hulks in .7 sec space?
Jason Travers Space 1999	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:04:00 - [230] Gamesguy you need to get a clue in business. If you had one you would relies that EVE has already grown well beyond the initial inception of it designers. They now employ more people to support the game. You lose the money you cannot pay them and they quit or get laid off. Thus bring about the collapse of the game itself. A small handful of people paying for a few accounts will not support that unless they rise the monthly subscription fee. You wan to pay 30 to 40 USD a month to play a MMO?
Cameron Vayle Omnicron Industrial Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:04:00 - [231] Originally by: Zorlag Edited by: Zorlag on 28/02/2008 00:57:51 Originally by: Maraa Jayde Jump clone, get a friend to pod you, and use that 50M for your merc fund. It's not a bounty on his pod, just here :( i'd get a locator agent but mine is like 10 jumps away whereas defenseless hulks are only 3 jumps away, soooo Another point has just been proven.... Goonies can't READ.... IF they could he would have seen that I posted my home sector.... but since it seems to be needed again I will try to post it slower so they can understand it... I am in SHARELUND.... or do you need it even slower so you can comprehend it? IF you need help go get someone off the street to read it for you.
Zorlag Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:06:00 - [232] Originally by: Cameron Vayle Originally by: Zorlag Edited by: Zorlag on 28/02/2008 00:57:51 Originally by: Maraa Jayde Jump clone, get a friend to pod you, and use that 50M for your merc fund. It's not a bounty on his pod, just here :( i'd get a locator agent but mine is like 10 jumps away whereas defenseless hulks are only 3 jumps away, soooo Another point has just been proven.... Goonies can't READ.... IF they could he would have seen that I posted my home sector.... but since it seems to be needed again I will try to post it slower so they can understand it... I am in SHARELUND.... or do you need it even slower so you can comprehend it? IF you need help go get someone off the street to read it for you. Yeah i didn't read that either but I'm betting you're further away than even my locator agent, so you're safe for now, return to bravely raging, pubbie
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:06:00 - [233] And as for the goons claiming it to be just Hulks check this one out from the front page of thier KB:- 2008.02.27 20:23:00 Victim: XXXXXX Alliance: NONE Corp: School of Applied Knowledge Destroyed: Bantam System: Allamotte Security: 0.6 Damage Taken: 742 Involved parties: Name: Dreiden Kisada (laid the final blow) Security: -0.6 Alliance: GoonSwarm Corp: GoonFleet Ship: Kestrel Weapon: Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Damage Done: 742 Destroyed items: Civilian Shield Booster I Dropped items: 50mm Reinforced Steel Plates I Anode Light Ion Particle Cannon I Miner I Small Shield Booster I Uranium Charge S, Qty: 32 Mining Drone I (Drone Bay) Thats a funny looking Hulk......... Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:06:00 - [234] Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 28/02/2008 01:07:29 Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: Reem Fairchild Eve has non-consensual pvp combat everywhere, including in high-sec, and it's set up that way. High-sec is meant to be safer, not safe. There is nothing wrong if you don't like that. It just means this isn't the right game for you and maybe you should look for one that suits your taste in games better. Non Consensual pvp is one thing but one of the games largest alliances committing coordinated mass suicide ganks is something else entirely, the only thing that you can compare this to was the Privateers and they got nerfed. That isn't really what is happening at all. The GS alliance leadership has nothing to do with it, and it's not really coordinated.
Cori4n Caldari principle of motion	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:35:00 - [235] Edited by: Cori4n on 28/02/2008 01:35:34 Originally by: Zorlag You people seriously have no idea how much I love this thread You have no idea how much this thread makes me want to be a Goon :(
IlIlIlI lIlIlIl GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:37:00 - [236] Originally by: Thenoran If an entire Alliance Twelve guys in channel. Twelve. 12. The number of your fingers, plus your thumbs twice. Quote: is out to kill all the high-sec miners Just the ones in 0.5-0.7, in hulks or macks, preferably in ice belts. Plus the occasional random "dude why'd you kill that guy?" "hur hur, uh, because?" "ok, rock on" kill.
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:37:00 - [237] 1) They're not killing all hisec miners, they're killing those mining in Barges. 2) Noobs are not in mining barges, and mining barges are competition. Ergo, killing them IS helping noobs 3) In EVE you need no justification for pewpewing someone. You consent to PVP when you undock.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:38:00 - [238] Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Kahega Amielden Quote: Suiciding any miner just because they are easy targets? Lame Why? If an entire Alliance is out to kill all the high-sec miners, with little to no ISK loss (insuring a cheap t1 ship), it is lame since I can loss a 100mil+ trying to do my thing, while the suicide ganker loses next to nothing and could do it again, whereas I can't. I agree that the newbies should be helped in trying to go to a belt in their shiny Bantam and finding roids and not Hulks, but how does killing Mackinaws help in this? Mackinaws are no good asteroid miners (My Rokh outmines it), they are purely Ice miners, and Ice can only be mined with an Mining Barge, ergo not noob players so attacking Mackinaws is in NO WAY trying to help noobs, Ice Fields are also damned gigantic (you mine 1 unit, and there are like... a thousand 100k ice roids) so its not like there isn't any Ice in high-sec, you just need to know where to look. Economic warfare? Take out highsec ice production and drive up the prices. Maybe some enterprising swarmies have large ice stockpiles from thier industrial alts and want to make a run on the market? Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:39:00 - [239] Originally by: Cameron Vayle What is worse? Not knowing or not doing anything about it because you " have nothing to do with it" even though you are the leadership? You as the leader are held accountable for the actios of everyone under your command in your corp. Well, the real point was that this is not something Goonswarm is doing as an alliance. It's something that a group of regular members started doing spontaneously on their own. So saying that this is a coordinated effort by Goonswarm as an alliance (as the person I was replying to was saying) is wrong. It isn't. My god, you don't want to see what 300+ Goons running around in high-sec space, at the same time, could do.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:41:00 - [240] Originally by: Reem Fairchild My god, you don't want to see what 300+ Goons running around in high-sec space, at the same time, could do. What? Lag out every system they jumped into? Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:41:00 - [241] Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl Originally by: Thenoran If an entire Alliance Twelve guys in channel. Twelve. 12. The number of your fingers, plus your thumbs twice. Quote: is out to kill all the high-sec miners Just the ones in 0.5-0.7, in hulks or macks, preferably in ice belts. Plus the occasional random "dude why'd you kill that guy?" "hur hur, uh, because?" "ok, rock on" kill. Finally get my Mackinaw after all these months only to be shot at the first time I try to use it...great ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
SPIONKOP Caldari Imperial Technology	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:42:00 - [242] Originally by: MenanceWhite Edited by: MenanceWhite on 28/02/2008 01:27:02 Originally by: SPIONKOP The goons have no right to deny paying customers the ability to enjoy the game. Its harrasment and should be stopped. Their actions are once again damaging the reputation of a great game. They are bullys but CCP should also shoulder some of the blame for allowing it to continue. The carebear miners that do nothing but afkmine in empire has no right to deny paying customers the ability to enjoy the game by endlessly whining on the forums and requesting something fundamental in the game to be changed. It is harrasment and should be stopped. Their actions are once again damaging the reputation of a great game that allows the freedom of non-consensual PVP. They are bullys but CCP should also shoulder some of the blame for allowing it to continue. There was a fundemental aspect of the game known as risk/reward and this balance gave the game a sort of balance. Sure you could pop a ship in empire but it cost. The cost to the person who lost that ship could still be very high in terms of his overall wealth. The same is no longer true of the agressor who may lose a very small portion of his wealth, but he is on control, he decides on the risk/reward. Thats whats changed. Agressor risk is now almost nil. --------------------------------------------- Space For Rent. 100mil ISK/Week.
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:43:00 - [243] Quote: Finally get my Mackinaw after all these months only to be shot at the first time I try to use it...great Pay attention to local? Don't fly what you can't afford to lose?
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:43:00 - [244] Originally by: Kahega Amielden 1) They're not killing all hisec miners, they're killing those mining in Barges. Bantams are not mining barges IIRC. Originally by: Kahega Amielden 2) Noobs are not in mining barges, and mining barges are competition. Ergo, killing them IS helping noobs Why would a experianced miner be in a Bantam? Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:45:00 - [245] Methinks you're taking my post out of context/missing the point.
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:45:00 - [246] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Quote: Finally get my Mackinaw after all these months only to be shot at the first time I try to use it...great Pay attention to local? Don't fly what you can't afford to lose? Right, lets buy a Mackinaw so it can sit in my Hangar gathering dust. If I can't make use of it in High-sec, then where eh? I am watching local btw ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:45:00 - [247] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Reem Fairchild My god, you don't want to see what 300+ Goons running around in high-sec space, at the same time, could do. What? Lag out every system they jumped into? Well, I meant spread out, but yeah pretty much...
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:47:00 - [248] Quote: Right, lets buy a Mackinaw so it can sit in my Hangar gathering dust. If I can't make use of it in High-sec, then where eh? I am watching local btw Lowsec/0.0.. Or you can simply use it in hisec and pay attention? Or, you could just make do with cheaper T1 alternatives if you think you're going to get destroyed?
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:48:00 - [249] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Methinks you're taking my post out of context/missing the point. There is no misinterpretation or context you said they only target mining barges when in fact they have also targeted newbies in Bantams. Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:48:00 - [250] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Quote: Right, lets buy a Mackinaw so it can sit in my Hangar gathering dust. If I can't make use of it in High-sec, then where eh? I am watching local btw Lowsec/0.0.. Or you can simply use it in hisec and pay attention? Or, you could just make do with cheaper T1 alternatives if you think you're going to get destroyed? Mining a Procurer...right... Low-sec mining...get a grip 0.0, tried that and it failed, also Battleship rats hurt my Mackinaw. ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Tarron Sarek Gallente Cadien Cybernetics	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:50:00 - [251] If the devs would just finally fix insurance payouts for ilegal actions (and smarten Concord a bit..), this wouldn't be a problem at all. Goons could still do it if they wanted, but it wouldn't be 'for free' anymore. Perfectly fine game mechanics. On a side note.. Why don't they concentrate on ice belts and mackinaws? Plenty of macro'ers there. ___________________________________ - Balance is power, guard it well - Please stop using the word 'nerf' Nothing spells 'incompetence' or 'don't take me serious' like those four letters
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:51:00 - [252] Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Kahega Amielden Quote: Finally get my Mackinaw after all these months only to be shot at the first time I try to use it...great Pay attention to local? Don't fly what you can't afford to lose? Right, lets buy a Mackinaw so it can sit in my Hangar gathering dust. If I can't make use of it in High-sec, then where eh? I am watching local btw Make multiple bm's to random points all along the ice belt away from the normal clusters of barges. Every time you dock to get the hauler to grab your ice warp to a different bm when you come back. The suiciders should then go for the lazy ones then who don't move at all for hours provided they don't have a personal grudge against you. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:52:00 - [253] Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 28/02/2008 01:52:47 Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 28/02/2008 01:52:22 Quote: There is no misinterpretation or context you said they only target mining barges when in fact they have also targeted newbies in Bantams. The amount of non-exhumers they've killed is statistically insignificant. Quote: Mining a Procurer...right... Low-sec mining...get a grip Neutral 0.0, tried that and it failed, also Battleship rats hurt my Mackinaw. 1) Nothing stopping you from mining with T1. They use T1 equipment. 2) Lowsec mining? What's wrong with that? 3) Get some friends if the 0.0 rats are too tough for you 4) Or just watch local and warp out when you see a bunch of Goons warp in./ Y' know...common sense? Quote: Goons could still do it if they wanted, but it wouldn't be 'for free' anymore. Perfectly fine game mechanics. I agree that insurance for ships killed by CONCORD should be cut in half or something like that.
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:52:00 - [254] Originally by: Tarron Sarek If the devs would just finally fix insurance payouts for ilegal actions (and smarten Concord a bit..), this wouldn't be a problem at all. Goons could still do it if they wanted, but it wouldn't be 'for free' anymore. Perfectly fine game mechanics. On a side note.. Why don't they concentrate on ice belts and mackinaws? Plenty of macro'ers there. If getting killed by CONCORD would prevent the insurance from paying out it should balance out the risk vs reward a lot more indeed ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
MenanceWhite Amarr Fruit Fellatio	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:56:00 - [255] Originally by: SPIONKOP There was a fundemental aspect of the game known as risk/reward and this balance gave the game a sort of balance. So, let me guess: Exactly how long has all these Miners in Hulk been mining in highsec with almost no risk, 100% reward before the Goons started to suicidegank random people? Is it so hard "endure" untill they get tired of it? Besides, I've noticed that a good amount of their kills are'nt suicide ganks- they're canflips where it's the miners own fault for attacking back in the first place. The posts also seem like as if the Goons are exactly everywhere and that there's 100% chance you'll get killed as soon as you hit the undock button, which is'nt so. Is it so hard to move your barge/exhumer to another system somewhere further away? You'll make less money because you also need to transport stuff? Well make less money and play under a smaller risk of getting ganked or make more money while under more risk of getting ganked. That sound pretty risk vs reward to me. If you're still holding onto your risk vs reward argument: guess what- mining/missioning in lowsec has totally crappy risk vs reward ratio too compared to mining/missioning in empire. How about making empire totally "safe" while reducing the reward from missioning/mining to 1/5 of its orginal? How does that sound? --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Sekhmet Orion Mandatory Suicide Incorporated	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:57:00 - [256] Originally by: AndrewRyan There is no misinterpretation or context you said they only target mining barges when in fact they have also targeted newbies in Bantams. They lied Or...maybe they had their fingers crossed when they said it. What's the big deal about a bantam anyway? If you trying to call out Goons on the internet honour thing, you have a long road ahead of you
IlIlIlI lIlIlIl GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 01:59:00 - [257] Originally by: AndrewRyan There is no misinterpretation or context you said they only target mining barges when in fact they have also targeted newbies in Bantams. Your mistake is that you think of goons as an undifferentiated mass. We're all individuals and mostly do what we like. If one of our newbies wants to suicide gank another newbie, nobody's going to tell him not to. Right now there's a small group of goons that are getting a kick out of popping hulks and macks. That small group is the cause of the current bruhaha. The main body of goonfleet is still in delve (having gone through detorid, fethaybolis, omist, esote...basically just start at scalding pass and go clockwise). So some guy popped a Bantam. Aww, cute newbee, have some isk, go do it again. Originally by: Tarron Sarek Why don't they concentrate on ice belts and mackinaws? Plenty of macro'ers there. Ding! Winner! Most of my kills are in ice belts. Except there's a lot of macro'ers running ice harvesters on their hulks, and hulks cost more than macks.
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:04:00 - [258] Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl Originally by: AndrewRyan There is no misinterpretation or context you said they only target mining barges when in fact they have also targeted newbies in Bantams. Your mistake is that you think of goons as an undifferentiated mass. We're all individuals and mostly do what we like. If one of our newbies wants to suicide gank another newbie, nobody's going to tell him not to. Right now there's a small group of goons that are getting a kick out of popping hulks and macks. That small group is the cause of the current bruhaha. The main body of goonfleet is still in delve (having gone through detorid, fethaybolis, omist, esote...basically just start at scalding pass and go clockwise). So some guy popped a Bantam. Aww, cute newbee, have some isk, go do it again. The thing is when goons are posting and claiming "we only target Barges" and the truth is your targeting everything it begs the question what else have you said about this campaign is not accurate? Then again it doesn't really make much difference really but when the goons come to the forums and state the exact opposite to the truth it does look strange. Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
Sekhmet Orion Mandatory Suicide Incorporated	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:06:00 - [259] Edited by: Sekhmet Orion on 28/02/2008 02:06:10 Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl Ding! Winner! Most of my kills are in ice belts. Except there's a lot of macro'ers running ice harvesters on their hulks, and hulks cost more than macks. And quite often have nice faction shield boosters Perma run cap thing + afk macro business, makes nice loot drop
MenanceWhite Amarr Fruit Fellatio	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:09:00 - [260] Originally by: AndrewRyan poast They have a campain? I thought that it mostly only was some crap they made up/roleplay stuff when some guy decided to ask what's going on after the massive forum whines. More like just some random guy going "DELVE LAGGGGGFIGHTS IS BORING LET'S GOTO EMP AND GANK SOME MINERS" --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:20:00 - [261] I'm not sure what the big deal is, this is buisness as usual for the swarm its not like their the first or only ones that gank barges in high sec Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:26:00 - [262] Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: Kahega Amielden Methinks you're taking my post out of context/missing the point. There is no misinterpretation or context you said they only target mining barges when in fact they have also targeted a newb in a Bantam. fixed it for you
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:26:00 - [263] Originally by: Haakelen itt empire miners learn to fly what you can afford to replace itt empire miners find that indeed yes, there are consequences for pressing the undock button Whats not in this thread though is any clue about tanking your hulk. That killmail that was linked earlier was comic to say the least. EM hardner and a crap t1 booster. lmao. And you don't need a gistii setup to have an uber tank. Drop those t2 strips for t1 and you can fit a gistii-ish t2 tank with shield rigs that should shrug off most normal gankers. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Jason Travers Space 1999	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:35:00 - [264] This is the post in the CCP news. goonswarm campaign reaffirms the dangers of empire space reported by ISD Argooros Ployon \| 2008.02.27 06:31:10 \| NEW Reports are coming in from asteroid fields all across Empire-controlled space that GoonSwarm Alliance is conducting a new campaign against Hulks. GoonSwarm's kill board for this campaign, (titled "Jihadswarm" in their signature style) indicates that some 66 Hulks have been killed along with a few industrial ships so far. Another 100 or so Hulks and Mackinaws have been reported as killed on their main board. I sat down with GoonSwarm diplomat Vile Rat and Karttoon, the leader of the Jihadswarm faction, to talk to them about this. Karttoon unabashedly confirmed that "yes, we are engaging against any regular miner in Empire controlled space." He claimed that in the first five days of the campaign GoonSwarm had destroyed over 34 billion ISK of assets, and that in all some 250 ships have been destroyed thus far. Vile Rat emphasized that this was not a campaign against new pod pilots, but against those who by now should be making it in lawless space with all of its dangers. When asked whether or not GoonSwarm was doing this for personal gain in the Hulk market both denied this was the case. "For far too long," Vile Rat said, "the weak have lived under the protection of Concord's protective umbrella and have gotten rich off the backs of the working class." When asked if GoonSwarm would be ransoming Hulks during this campaign Karttoon said, "We shall allow penance for the wealth hoarders to remain on our holy land." His comments seemed to suggest that GoonSwarm is claiming all of Empire controlled space as their own, if not materially then in some spiritual manner. Calimor, a New Eden researcher, points out that GoonSwarm's campaign is affecting the black market where ISK is exchanged for black market currencies. "Although many innocents are being attacked, miners who work for outlaw corporations are feeling a huge hit." Prices on the black market have gone up 50% since GoonSwarm's campaign began. The Ex-Band of Brothers spymaster Digital Communist, himself no stranger to the dark underbelly of New Eden, had his own theory as to what was driving the GoonSwarm campaign. He also referred to recent actions taken by Triumvirate. who have similarly been making life much harder for Empire-dwellers. Whatever the underlying reasons may be, it is becoming increasingly clear that CONCORD's influence over the actions of capsuleers within supposedly "lawful" space is once again being challenged. The common perception that CONCORD-enforced space is safer for capsuleers than the frontier regions has long been considered something of a myth. "There's a cyclical nature to CONCORD's power over the capsuleer class," remarked Amir Kevash, an Associate Professor of the new "Capsuleer Studies" department at Caille State University. "[Pod pilots] will find a loophole, exploit it for personal gain or indeed, simple amusement. CONCORD will move to plug the gap as always. A few months later, as tactics and technologies evolve, a new workaround will be found and once again CONCORD will be on the back foot. From the Goons and the recent Black Ops jumpdrive fiasco to as far back as the now-infamous smartbombing of Yulai and earlier, there has always been a certain to-and-fro between the two groups." Kevash remarked that with the recent problems CONCORD was already facing, they were likely already stretched too thin to deal with smaller issues in a timely fashion, leaving empire-bound capsuleers to fend for themselves for the time being, perhaps indefinitely. (Rest on next post)
Jason Travers Space 1999	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:36:00 - [265] "It's getting to the point where it's becoming flagrant. Podders are once again flaunting their disregard for the rule of law. Their methods are becoming as widely-spread in terms of knowledge as they are in terms of a shrugging acceptance amongst the populace. Take that egger vonHolst's recent holovid for example. Not only does it bring the issue to a huge audience, not only does it display the methodology, but it does so with an unmistakable sense of pride. It's yet another bump on CONCORD's increasingly rocky road." Almost as if to confirm Kevash's statements, Vile Rat ended his comments by addressing empire-dwellers with the remarks: "You are on notice; we are coming for you." One thing is for sure--miners in Empire controlled space have a new danger to watch out for. This is for those that havent read the news. Yes the Allyance does know about it.
IlIlIlI lIlIlIl GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:38:00 - [266] Originally by: Zeba Drop those t2 strips for t1 and you can fit a gistii-ish t2 tank with shield rigs that should shrug off most normal gankers. But really you should invest in the gistiis anyway, just in case.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:40:00 - [267] Guys, I don't know what everyone is getting all upset about. The rogue elements in goonswarm who are mercilessly killing innocent hulk pilots have recieved a stern talking to, and have been put in the corner. Goonies are a peace loving people. We simply want all war to end, in both 0.0, and in Empire. Anyone who feels offended should continue to express their concerns, or convo me in game. We can talk about this over tea, and come to a mutual agreement. Any Hulk is free to mine in our lush belts in Scalding Pass. You can inquire within about our belt-sharing program. With this program fully in place, we will usher in a new era of peace, a Golden age of Eve, where Goon and non-Goon live in harmony, and war is a thing of the past. Arkonor and Mercoxit will flow from belts like mana fell from the sky. And you will know happiness. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:41:00 - [268] Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl Originally by: Zeba Drop those t2 strips for t1 and you can fit a gistii-ish t2 tank with shield rigs that should shrug off most normal gankers. But really you should invest in the gistiis anyway, just in case. yeah but these players should be mining in high sec anyways, who would mine in 1.0 space with a fully fitted badass ship that should be in 0.0 space. I mean really most of goon space is open for mining am I wrong?
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:42:00 - [269] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Guys, I don't know what everyone is getting all upset about. The rogue elements in goonswarm who are mercilessly killing innocent hulk pilots have recieved a stern talking to, and have been put in the corner. Goonies are a peace loving people. We simply want all war to end, in both 0.0, and in Empire. Anyone who feels offended should continue to express their concerns, or convo me in game. We can talk about this over tea, and come to a mutual agreement. Any Hulk is free to mine in our lush belts in Scalding Pass. You can inquire within about our belt-sharing program. With this program fully in place, we will usher in a new era of peace, a Golden age of Eve, where Goon and non-Goon live in harmony, and war is a thing of the past. Arkonor and Mercoxit will flow from belts like mana fell from the sky. And you will know happiness. You forgot to tell them they need a full Gistii A tank so they can mine AFK while tanking the belt rats.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:44:00 - [270] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Guys, I don't know what everyone is getting all upset about. The rogue elements in goonswarm who are mercilessly killing innocent hulk pilots have recieved a stern talking to, and have been put in the corner. Goonies are a peace loving people. We simply want all war to end, in both 0.0, and in Empire. Anyone who feels offended should continue to express their concerns, or convo me in game. We can talk about this over tea, and come to a mutual agreement. Any Hulk is free to mine in our lush belts in Scalding Pass. You can inquire within about our belt-sharing program. With this program fully in place, we will usher in a new era of peace, a Golden age of Eve, where Goon and non-Goon live in harmony, and war is a thing of the past. Arkonor and Mercoxit will flow from belts like mana fell from the sky. And you will know happiness. so basiclly you want miners in 0.0 sopace selling to you to fuel your war machine while providing protection to them and not to those in high sec? mob at it's best! everyone wins :)
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:49:00 - [271] Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl Originally by: Zeba Drop those t2 strips for t1 and you can fit a gistii-ish t2 tank with shield rigs that should shrug off most normal gankers. But really you should invest in the gistiis anyway, just in case. Oh I totally agree. This is simply advice for those poorer miners that haven't quite made it to the point they can afford top tier faction. Would you rather they keep dropping 10k isk tanking mods? Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:51:00 - [272] The goon war marchine ia fiction. An elaboratly constructed ruse by our enemies. However, for our peaceful operations, we do have plenty of sources of Ice, and its materials. Infact, the ruse of the war machine is so untrue, that many goons have already signed up for the Hello Kitty Beta. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:52:00 - [273] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: Kahega Amielden Methinks you're taking my post out of context/missing the point. There is no misinterpretation or context you said they only target mining barges when in fact they have also targeted a newb in a Bantam. fixed it for you Again your either wonderfully misinformed or talking out of your backside about things you cannot even be bothered to do a little research into yourself, There are 2 newbie bantam kills on the first page alone. Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:53:00 - [274] Edited by: MotherMoon on 28/02/2008 02:53:11 Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: Kahega Amielden Methinks you're taking my post out of context/missing the point. There is no misinterpretation or context you said they only target mining barges when in fact they have also targeted a newb in a Bantam. fixed it for you Again your either wonderfully misinformed or talking out of your backside about things you cannot even be bothered to do a little research into yourself, There are 2 newbie bantam kills on the first page alone. sigh
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:55:00 - [275] Originally by: MotherMoon sigh Does that mean your finally going to stop posting rubbish and untruths? Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
MenanceWhite Amarr Fruit Fellatio	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:56:00 - [276] Originally by: SPIONKOP post They're not crap compared to lowsec, in face your plain old veld has a better isk/m3 ratio than many of the ores in lowsec. I've already posted that 1. goons are'nt everywhere 2. they're looking for people in exhumers to suicide gank You seem to assume that you have to be PVP when you completely ignored my statement of "how about simply moving to somewhere 2-3 regions away?" or even easier "keep an eye on the local instead of afkmining"? You're still making money and those 50 players that are trying to gank people has no chance of covering I don't know how many high sec systems there are in EVE. Rewards in nullsec? Sure they're there, you also need protection, you need to find the stuff (because not every system has belts of mega/zyd/morph) and you need to somehow transport the stuff to a place where you actually can sell them. That means thru the bottlenecks of so called almost-always camped lowsec systems. That requires a good amount of effort too. Highes being Crokite(disregard mercoxit takes much more time to mine), which is worth almost 4.7x Veldspars value isk/m3 wise - well it sure should be worth that much because it takes alot more than 5 times the effort to get liquid isk by doing that compared afkmining veld in highsec. --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:57:00 - [277] You must have the most ironic sig yet andrew. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:58:00 - [278] Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: MotherMoon sigh Does that mean your finally going to stop posting rubbish and untruths? I don't think I need to point it out , I think everyone but you gets it anyways.
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:59:00 - [279] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: MotherMoon sigh Does that mean your finally going to stop posting rubbish and untruths? I don't think I need to point it out , I think everyone but you gets it anyways. You dont "get" AndrewRyan. Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
IlIlIlI lIlIlIl GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 02:59:00 - [280] Originally by: AndrewRyan There are 2 newbie bantam kills on the first page alone. Time to hit F5, Andy. It's a busy day in Delve.
MenanceWhite Amarr Fruit Fellatio	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:04:00 - [281] Originally by: AndrewRyan Edited by: AndrewRyan on 28/02/2008 03:00:58 Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: MotherMoon sigh Does that mean your finally going to stop posting rubbish and untruths? I don't think I need to point it out , I think everyone but you gets it anyways. You dont "get" AndrewRyan. The Number one is not a number two The colour red is not the colour green A Bantam is not a mining barge or Exhumer therefore the Goons are not just attacking barges and Exhumers. You forgot that The Number 50 is not 5000 therefore it's a just a few people and not the whole goonfleet alliance --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:04:00 - [282] Originally by: AndrewRyan You dont "get" AndrewRyan. We "get" you. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:05:00 - [283] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: AndrewRyan You dont "get" AndrewRyan. We "get" you. Lmao Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:07:00 - [284] Originally by: MenanceWhite You forgot that The Number 50 is not 5000 therefore it's a just a few people and not the whole goonfleet alliance So why does the news report detail a discussion with the Goonfleet diplomat? If the Diplomat knows about it and discussed it with the ISD it must be at least partially complicit with GS command. Next please. Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:08:00 - [285] Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: MenanceWhite You forgot that The Number 50 is not 5000 therefore it's a just a few people and not the whole goonfleet alliance So why does the news report detail a discussion with the Goonfleet diplomat? If the Diplomat knows about it and discussed it with the ISD it must be at least partially complicit with GS command. Next please. The diplomat came out to have fun and so he did that's it dude.
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:13:00 - [286] Originally by: Aprudena Gist The diplomat came out to have fun and so he did that's it dude. Sorry I'm not trying to hate on the goons or something its all these random people talking crap on your behalf that are not goons that I'm arguing with. I'm done with the thread. Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
MenanceWhite Amarr Fruit Fellatio	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:14:00 - [287] Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: MenanceWhite You forgot that The Number 50 is not 5000 therefore it's a just a few people and not the whole goonfleet alliance So why does the news report detail a discussion with the Goonfleet diplomat? If the Diplomat knows about it and discussed it with the ISD it must be at least partially complicit with GS command. Next please. But hey, we're talking about things that are happening and generic RP bull. Or are you hinting that you were just RPing in all your other replies? --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:16:00 - [288] Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: MotherMoon privateers were not declaring war on corporations. they were declaring war on EVERYONE. and the reason was because it protected them. CCP NEVER wanted someone to make highsafe safe for them to kill whoever they wanted, I have dev quotes, they got ****ed at privateers for using them. Suicide ganking is the same, it allows a person to be as safe as everyone else in high sec until they choose to engage exactly the same way as the privateers could be selective about their wardecs. hey how did I miss this post! rofl your not here to attack suicide ganking your just an angry old alt that used to run around high sec without a carte in the world. hmmm where is the old killmail if I remember your allaince had so many noob kills it wasn't funny. you war decs every new corp that was trying to get into eve. you kill countless miners just because you could. and they could do nothing as you warp scarmbled them and you didn't get shot at by conchord. you just ran around killing everything that didn't want a war with you and at no cost. cheap PvP. I'm not an eve fanboy, there are lots of thing I don't like about eve, I jsut happen to be a privateer HATEBOY. so I'm sorry but as a person who has alts in corps like eve uni, and other corps that like to help new players, you were a horrible nusence that everyone HATED. you didn't jsut kill players in tech 2 mining ships or "batams" you killed everything that moved and you didn't care who they were. you had no mission. you had no cause no reason. sure the goons reasons might not be the best but you got me when you decided to say that this is the same as the privateers. Basically your saying that killing miners in mostly tech 2 ships (and 2 batams) is the same as killing EVERYONE mostly new players in high sec, especialy miners who can't fight back. here lets me make a list for you. GOON ATTACK -gankers comes in and takes out a hulk -ganker dies hulk dies (here is where I add I personally believe this should give out insurance) PRIVATEER ATTACK -gankers come into system, kill the frist auto pilot person they see -gankers don't die -gankers continue to go and kill miners -gankers don't die to conchond -gankers run and kill everyone war decced coming in and out of a station, a place where a goon ganker could NEVER GANK, becuase the turrets go off right away and conchord is waiting at the station as well, not like in belts. -gankers then go off to have more fun usally in groups of 10, or then seperating to kill more people that don't feel like fighting or know how too. -gankers continue to dodge conchord CCP made wardec for one reason only to allow for two warring factions to fight in high sec systems. However people came to understand that in this righ tit was flawed because you use it to dodge conchord if you had a lot of money Suicide ganking stops you form continuing untill you buy and fit a new ship. but PLEASE don't say that this is anywhere nearthe same level as the Privateers.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:17:00 - [289] Originally by: MenanceWhite Originally by: AndrewRyan Edited by: AndrewRyan on 28/02/2008 03:00:58 Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: MotherMoon sigh Does that mean your finally going to stop posting rubbish and untruths? I don't think I need to point it out , I think everyone but you gets it anyways. You dont "get" AndrewRyan. The Number one is not a number two The colour red is not the colour green A Bantam is not a mining barge or Exhumer therefore the Goons are not just attacking barges and Exhumers. You forgot that The Number 50 is not 5000 therefore it's a just a few people and not the whole goonfleet alliance also that 2 batams is not 100 hulks
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:24:00 - [290] Edited by: AndrewRyan on 28/02/2008 03:25:04 Originally by: MotherMoon GOON ATTACK -Random player comes out of nowhere and ganks you before you have time to react PRIVATEER ATTACK. -EVEmail warning that in 24 hours XXXXXX corp can freely attack you -Red star on player as he enters local informing you a war target is around Fixed. At least with a war dec you know you might be at greater risk than normal. And no I was not a Privateer btw. Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:27:00 - [291] Originally by: AndrewRyan Edited by: AndrewRyan on 28/02/2008 03:25:04 Originally by: MotherMoon GOON ATTACK -Goonswarm member comes into local with a red minus and ganks you before you have time to react PRIVATEER ATTACK. -EVEmail warning that in 24 hours XXXXXX corp can freely attack you -Red star on player as he enters local informing you a war target is around Fixed. At least with a war dec you know you might be at greater risk than normal. And no I was not a Privateer btw. fixed for you again.
IlIlIlI lIlIlIl GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:28:00 - [292] Originally by: AndrewRyan So why does the news report detail a discussion with the Goonfleet diplomat? You probably believe everything you see on FOX news, too.
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:32:00 - [293] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: AndrewRyan Edited by: AndrewRyan on 28/02/2008 03:25:04 Originally by: MotherMoon GOON ATTACK -Goonswarm member comes into local with a red minus and ganks you before you have time to react PRIVATEER ATTACK. -EVEmail warning that in 24 hours XXXXXX corp can freely attack you -Red star on player as he enters local informing you a war target is around Fixed. At least with a war dec you know you might be at greater risk than normal. And no I was not a Privateer btw. fixed for you again. No its not fixed because before the News report a lot of people would not have known about it and would not have changed their standings accordingly, with a wardec you are not reliant on 3rd party sources of information to be aware of the increased risk. Anyway I'm seriously done with this thread cuz it looks like I'm cussing the goons for what they are doing when I'm not I'm arguing with people who have faff all to do with it who are just posting rubbish. Originally by: Malcanis Seriously, have you ever actually pressed F1 with something other than an asteroid locked?
Postlatta Mouseanon Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:32:00 - [294] Hmm.... I have mixed feelings about this whole empire Hulk-ganking exercise. For my part I don't care. I'm a 0.0 veteran who has returned to empire for a while (yes I'm posting on an alt). The news that the goons are doing this just made me set my corp standings with them to -10. If they come into local and we do not have a military presence- we'll dock up. No skin off our back. If they catch a few of our Hulks- we'll replace them many times over before we go broke. It's not a winning equation to self emolate by destroying your own ship. Even if the ISK difference is great, it is truly "playing with the game" rather than "playing the game". This is of course my opinion. From the standpoint of a Mining Director, which I was for a time with a large alliance, this action by the goons presents a problem. First off, I happen to know first hand that the goons have summarily popped alt industrial corps affiliated with their own allies. And there are angry people about. Second, It's one thing to pee in your enemy's cornflakes, but it;s really stupid to pee in your own. So in essence- this will not end well. As advice to empire miners: If you are flying a hulk- tank it as if you were going into 0.0 space. If you do not know how to do this- find out. However, be forewarned that this will probably not save you. It might... but probably not. As far as CCP are concerned: Considering the long history of goons playing "with the game" in various ways, were I CCP I'd consider dealing with this harshly. But I'm not... so I just play until playing isn't fun and go on my way. But this idea of PVP at ridiculous levels like this seems... well less than fun anyway. Ganking empire miners sorta seems a bit like taking a brand new, perfectly good, high school graduate, and lobotomizing him as part of college entrance exams.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:33:00 - [295] Edited by: MotherMoon on 28/02/2008 03:32:55 Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: AndrewRyan Edited by: AndrewRyan on 28/02/2008 03:25:04 Originally by: MotherMoon GOON ATTACK -Goonswarm member comes into local with a red minus and ganks you before you have time to react PRIVATEER ATTACK. -EVEmail warning that in 24 hours XXXXXX corp can freely attack you -Red star on player as he enters local informing you a war target is around Fixed. At least with a war dec you know you might be at greater risk than normal. And no I was not a Privateer btw. fixed for you again. No its not fixed because before the News report a lot of people would not have known about it and would not have changed their standings accordingly, with a wardec you are not reliant on 3rd party sources of information to be aware of the increased risk. Anyway I'm seriously done with this thread cuz it looks like I'm cussing the goons for what they are doing when I'm not I'm arguing with people who have faff all to do with it who are just posting rubbish. I'm sorry who doesn't have goons set to red unless they are allied? your argument was that it was random players.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:37:00 - [296] Geez ladies.. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
IlIlIlI lIlIlIl GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:40:00 - [297] Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon I'm a 0.0 veteran who had to run back to empire with my tail between my legs Pretty sure I fixed that for you. Let me know if I'm wrong.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:41:00 - [298] Originally by: Zeba Geez ladies.. haha :P ok ok I'll stop :P ... like hell! to the very end! haha but really no I'll stop :P
Postlatta Mouseanon Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:46:00 - [299] Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon I'm a 0.0 veteran who had to run back to empire with my tail between my legs Pretty sure I fixed that for you. Let me know if I'm wrong. You're wrong.
Mr QUE Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.02.28 03:46:00 - [300] You Go Goons :) Keep ganking them Ice miners, I have already seen the Results :) at this rate Ice prices will tripple soon as fewer will be out there mining :) system I am in went from 60-90 mining ice to maybe 10 :) Keep up the good work I see ISK coming in :)
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.28 04:56:00 - [301] Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon I'm a 0.0 veteran who had to run back to empire with my tail between my legs Pretty sure I fixed that for you. Let me know if I'm wrong. You're wrong. Post with your main.
Postlatta Mouseanon Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.02.28 05:06:00 - [302] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon I'm a 0.0 veteran who had to run back to empire with my tail between my legs Pretty sure I fixed that for you. Let me know if I'm wrong. You're wrong. Post with your main. Kiss me deeply, passionately, and with Tongue.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 05:25:00 - [303] Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon I'm a 0.0 veteran who had to run back to empire with my tail between my legs Pretty sure I fixed that for you. Let me know if I'm wrong. You're wrong. Post with your main. Kiss me deeply, passionately, and with Tongue. I think they would actually help you if you talk to them.
Hippy Dave	Posted - 2008.02.28 05:46:00 - [304] OMG this thread is absolute gold All the whiners take a deep breath relax and remove the corn cobs from your ********s.. Seriously get a grip.. maybe try mining in something other than a Hulk or a bantam... like a BS or BC or just move systems maybe... jesus christ anyone would think they'd come round your house and crapped on your keyboard.. ITS A GAME And to those who are prepared to cancel multiple accounts over this well we won't miss you one bit. I have no relation to Goonswarm and i have never met one but the reactions of the miners in this thread makes me want to fit up a cheap ship and help them, if of course i thought they wouldnt gank me too
Pans Exual Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.28 05:52:00 - [305] Why is everyone so against freedom in a game? This is what makes Eve great.
Lendwill	Posted - 2008.02.28 06:12:00 - [306] Edited by: Lendwill on 28/02/2008 06:14:34 The interesting thing about this is it has shown Hulks to be extremely vulnerable in empire space. Insurance will not cover its loss and corp members cannot protect it from a suicide attack. Personally I see its days of mining solo in Empire as numbered. I advise Hulk pilots to switch over to Covetors and take the 20% loss for now. At least they can be fully insured. Perhaps CCP will take some kind of stand, but don't hold your breath. Adapt.
Pans Exual Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.02.28 06:16:00 - [307] Originally by: Lendwill Edited by: Lendwill on 28/02/2008 06:14:34 The interesting thing about this is it has shown Hulks to be extremely vulnerable in empire space. Insurance will not cover its loss and corp members cannot protect it from a suicide attack. Personally I see its days of mining solo in Empire as numbered. I advise Hulk pilots to switch over to Covetors and take the 20% loss for now. At least they can be fully insured. Perhaps CCP will take some kind of stand, but don't hold your breath. Adapt. Most sensible post award.
Zorlag Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 06:27:00 - [308] Edited by: Zorlag on 28/02/2008 06:27:15 Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon First off, I happen to know first hand that the goons have summarily popped alt industrial corps affiliated with their own allies. And there are angry people about. Second, It's one thing to pee in your enemy's cornflakes, but it;s really stupid to pee in your own. So in essence- this will not end well. It sure took the galaxy long enough to realize that Goonswarm hates you all :D Originally by: Mr QUE You Go Goons :) Keep ganking them Ice miners, I have already seen the Results :) at this rate Ice prices will tripple soon as fewer will be out there mining :) system I am in went from 60-90 mining ice to maybe 10 :) Keep up the good work I see ISK coming in :) I advise you to use that money to equip your ship with faction equipment.
Babel Polyglot Cunning Linguists and Associates	Posted - 2008.02.28 06:31:00 - [309] Originally by: MotherMoon also that 2 batams is not 100 hulks Personally, I have taken out a few haulers, but it wasn't on purpose - they just happened to be too close to the Mackinaws - although I was pleased to see that apparently people really like buying Cargohold Optimization I rigs. I'd invest in them myself, but I'm way too effort.
HollaBackGirl	Posted - 2008.02.28 06:42:00 - [310] لا شيء لديك هياكل آمنة. غضب الله هو الرهيبه ويقوم ضربة لكم في اسفل الخاص بك جدا العزبه. كفارا ، واجعل الصلاة الى الآلهة الكاذبه الخاصة بك.
Characterpotrait	Posted - 2008.02.28 07:28:00 - [311] Edited by: Characterpotrait on 28/02/2008 07:29:51 CCP have had this stance on suicide bombing in empire since day one! This is horrible, CCP should think with their wallet and sacrifice their product standard like every other normal company do. If nothing is done EVE is doomed. New players quit EVE every day! just look at the number of subscribers: http://www.mmogchart.com/Chart2.html Its... higher then ever before. And ffs, stop being tools for terrorists. Jihad is not a offensive word! Its a normal word meaning "holy war". Everyone may use it, from Salah al-Dīn to ***** bin Laden. It's just a matter if its really holy or not. Stop listening only what the TV tells you. Its feeds on your ignorance and will do anything to keep it. (I like being overdramatic) edit: lol stupid alt... its name is even spelled wrong
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2008.02.28 07:38:00 - [312] Originally by: HollaBackGirl لا شيء لديك هياكل آمنة. غضب الله هو الرهيبه ويقوم ضربة لكم في اسفل الخاص بك جدا العزبه. كفارا ، واجعل الصلاة الى الآلهة الكاذبه الخاصة بك. "Eat at Joe's, Old Man Star -- Try the Veal Piccata!!" -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.02.28 07:38:00 - [313] Originally by: Reem Fairchild At the risk of being shot as a spy I'll give the real explanation. A Goon who manufactures Hulks posted a challenge to Goons (with a reward) to kill as many Hulks as possible in the specific regions where he sells his ships. And Goons being what they are (gods bless them), they jumped on it like good little bees. This makes sense actually. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2008.02.28 07:45:00 - [314] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad Jihad (Arabic: جهاد‎ IPA: [ ʤi'haːd]), which means "to strive" or "to struggle", in Arabic, is an Islamic term and considered a duty by most faithful Muslims. Jihad appears frequently in the Qur'an and common usage as the idiomatic expression "striving in the way of God (al-jihad fi sabil Allah)". A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid, the plural is mujahideen. A minority among the Sunni scholars sometimes refer to this Islamic duty as the sixth pillar of Islam, though it occupies no such official status. In Twelver Shi'a Islam, however, Jihad is one of the 10 Practices of the Religion. According to scholar John Esposito, Jihad requires Muslims to "struggle in the way of God" or "to struggle to improve one's self and/or society." Jihad is directed against the devil's inducements, aspects of one's own self, or against a visible enemy. The four major categories of jihad that are recognized are Jihad against one's own self (Jihad al-Nafs), Jihad of the tongue, Jihad of the hand, and Jihad of the sword. Within Islamic jurisprudence, the term jihad is usually used in reference to military combat. -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
Vigilant Gallente Vigilant's Vigilante's	Posted - 2008.02.28 07:51:00 - [315] Edited by: Vigilant on 28/02/2008 07:52:07 If the Goons want to kill Exhumers, clearly the targets should be all the "NPC Corp, Mackinaws" in almost every ice Belt in EVE. Surely, anyone that does actually ice mine some, sees them. We all know the cost of creating a corp. is pennies in the big scheme of EVE, so why don't incorporate ? Cause then they could get legally dec'ed and they couldn't sell there ICE products to then "spamm" every trade channel in EVE with "ISK Selling" from Trial Accounts. Attacking Hulks, is really not the answer, its attacking the true "macro" miners in EVE. The guys who has 2 to 6 months in Game, has no "corp" and is bunched up with another 3 to 10 others that look just like him with silly names or names that don't even spell anything. Killing 500 Hulks with not change the market much, maybe 10 to 20 mill per ship diffrence. There are so many hulk copies in game now, and so easly available, people will just have a few laying around. They will not buy one off market, they will simply build another and jump in BS / Covy till the build is complete. From my point of view, which is a high sec miner, yes i a fracking carebear and proud of it, this does nothing but hurt players who actually support the economy of EVE with minerals / ice products needed to support EVERYONE's war efforts. respects Vigilant
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 07:52:00 - [316] Originally by: cal nereus Originally by: Reem Fairchild At the risk of being shot as a spy I'll give the real explanation. A Goon who manufactures Hulks posted a challenge to Goons (with a reward) to kill as many Hulks as possible in the specific regions where he sells his ships. And Goons being what they are (gods bless them), they jumped on it like good little bees. This makes sense actually. Business 101 Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
Tom Yurmand Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.28 07:57:00 - [317] Couldn't just the big corps be a bit carebeary and war deck goons and wipe them out?
Luvel	Posted - 2008.02.28 08:12:00 - [318] Woooa there buddy, you actually mean to play the game and socialise? God forbid, to much effort... just speak with the wallet and let the GMs do it.
Tom Yurmand Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.28 08:21:00 - [319] Originally by: Luvel Woooa there buddy, you actually mean to play the game and socialise? God forbid, to much effort... just speak with the wallet and let the GMs do it.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.28 08:30:00 - [320] Originally by: Tom Yurmand Couldn't just the big corps be a bit carebeary and war deck goons and wipe them out? Because they'd rather whine on the forums then actually taking any action.
Tom Yurmand Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.28 08:42:00 - [321] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Tom Yurmand Couldn't just the big corps be a bit carebeary and war deck goons and wipe them out? Because they'd rather whine on the forums then actually taking any action. Fair enough.
Zorlag Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 08:47:00 - [322] Originally by: Tom Yurmand Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Tom Yurmand Couldn't just the big corps be a bit carebeary and war deck goons and wipe them out? Because they'd rather whine on the forums then actually taking any action. Fair enough. Also, as sad as this sounds, those big corps are even worse at PvP than Goonswarm is.
Eowyn Minmatarkiller Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.28 08:58:00 - [323] 260 killed exhumers on Jihadswarm. Out of them, 6 where made in the week before last. Last week had 140 kills. This week have so far 114 kills. A lot of the ships killed have had cargo expander rigs.
Schigolch Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 08:59:00 - [324] Originally by: Tom Yurmand wipe them out? Let us know how this works out.
Mr Ballard	Posted - 2008.02.28 09:05:00 - [325] what goons are doing is what going are doing is what goins are dooning waht gnoons aer doing nisw aht gnoans ra e adoing is whagno taonsgsnaos nsoahsn a snwo snanosn on autopilot to 4q-nub
Taua Roqa Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.02.28 09:07:00 - [326] stupid alt >8( -------------------------------------------- [IMAGE REMOVED] Threads are stacking-nerfed; the more posts you add the less effective those posts are. My I/Q Ration!!!11
Rickroller	Posted - 2008.02.28 09:11:00 - [327] I don't understand how all you can listen to this. 9/11 is happening in JITA and all you can do is sit back and drink your whiskey and whine. SO WHAT IF GOON are killing ICE MACRO MINERZ in 1.0 space, thats just more minerals for the rest of us. If you have half a brain at all you will realize that this is JUST another ploy to extract the maximum industrial network out of the high sec empire space. Of course, BoB will cry about this too since they can't even hold the Alamo in Delve without going out and buying 1000000000 GTC to fun their pointless war. The thing you have to remember is that when you undock you have RISK vs REWARD and as such earnings are bound to continue despite the goonswarm attacking exhumers. So stop teh QQ, go back to WoW and make ur uber poast. This is a normal thing in EVE PVP and thus it won't stop just because CCP stopped caring about it a long time ago. If you really want to mine Veldspar in high sec just get a BS and put some mining laser on it there problem solved. Come back in 3 months after you've cancelled all your macro miner alt spam accounts and get into the REAL game of EVE so stop spamming the forums with ridiculous talk about how it's soooooo rough when your Bantam gets podded, boo hoo.
Quelque Chose Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.28 09:16:00 - [328] Originally by: Rickroller ~WTF~ This post wins the thread tbqh. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Ziw Pineapple Caldari Heaven's Avatars	Posted - 2008.02.28 09:18:00 - [329] How about you all just relax, grab a beer... Maybe go outside and suck in some fresh air.
Taua Roqa Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.02.28 09:19:00 - [330] Edited by: Taua Roqa on 28/02/2008 09:20:07 Originally by: Rickroller I don't understand how all you can listen to this. 9/11 is happening in JITA and all you can do is sit back and drink your whiskey and whine. SO WHAT IF GOON are killing ICE MACRO MINERZ in 1.0 space, thats just more minerals for the rest of us. If you have half a brain at all you will realize that this is JUST another ploy to extract the maximum industrial network out of the high sec empire space. Of course, BoB will cry about this too since they can't even hold the Alamo in Delve without going out and buying 1000000000 GTC to fun their pointless war. The thing you have to remember is that when you undock you have RISK vs REWARD and as such earnings are bound to continue despite the goonswarm attacking exhumers. So stop teh QQ, go back to WoW and make ur uber poast. This is a normal thing in EVE PVP and thus it won't stop just because CCP stopped caring about it a long time ago. If you really want to mine Veldspar in high sec just get a BS and put some mining laser on it there problem solved. Come back in 3 months after you've cancelled all your macro miner alt spam accounts and get into the REAL game of EVE so stop spamming the forums with ridiculous talk about how it's soooooo rough when your Bantam gets podded, boo hoo. heh have you seen the updated jihadswarm video? absolutely Nuts damn that never worked out properly... -------------------------------------------- [IMAGE REMOVED] Threads are stacking-nerfed; the more posts you add the less effective those posts are. My I/Q Ration!!!11
Pantaloon McPants	Posted - 2008.02.28 09:30:00 - [331] Originally by: Mr Ballard what goons are doing is what going are doing is what goins are dooning waht gnoons aer doing nisw aht gnoans ra e adoing is whagno taonsgsnaos nsoahsn a snwo snanosn you are a idioueyahdk
McDonALTs	Posted - 2008.02.28 09:34:00 - [332] Edited by: McDonALTs on 28/02/2008 09:36:00 Originally by: Rickroller I don't understand how all you can listen to this. 9/11 is happening in JITA and all you can do is sit back and drink your whiskey and whine. SO WHAT IF GOON are killing ICE MACRO MINERZ in 1.0 space, thats just more minerals for the rest of us. If you have half a brain at all you will realize that this is JUST another ploy to extract the maximum industrial network out of the high sec empire space. Of course, BoB will cry about this too since they can't even hold the Alamo in Delve without going out and buying 1000000000 GTC to fun their pointless war. The thing you have to remember is that when you undock you have RISK vs REWARD and as such earnings are bound to continue despite the goonswarm attacking exhumers. So stop teh QQ, go back to WoW and make ur uber poast. This is a normal thing in EVE PVP and thus it won't stop just because CCP stopped caring about it a long time ago. If you really want to mine Veldspar in high sec just get a BS and put some mining laser on it there problem solved. Come back in 3 months after you've cancelled all your macro miner alt spam accounts and get into the REAL game of EVE so stop spamming the forums with ridiculous talk about how it's soooooo rough when your Bantam gets podded, boo hoo. Why bring bob into this? Goons only started this rampage when bob thwarted their invasion attempt in 0.0, so now goonswarm members are trying to divert attention from their defeats. Goons get GTC's as they sell gtc's and make real live money on them due to the refferal in SC. Remember the IRS got involved at one point because of this? Basically its all a cover to hide the fact goons got their asses kicked by bob in 0.0 recently. Thats why goons are busy killing hulks insted of killing bob. Thats the only logical conclusion, to give goons members some sense of victory.
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2008.02.28 09:40:00 - [333] Originally by: MotherMoon why would anyone still be mining veld in a hulk? Because the economy needs lots and lots of tritanium, and veldspar is the best way to get it. Veldspar is available at the same quality across sec statuses, so there is no reason to go to lower security space to mine it. Until there is a way to mine low-ends, in low-sec, at low-sec reward levels (i.e. veldspar variants with 50% to 400% yield bonuses, spread through appropriate sec statuses), you will see experienced miners in high-sec belts. If the swarm manage to push all the experienced miners into low-sec, that demand for tritanium is not going to go away. But miners are not going to mine the veld in low-sec unless it offers low-sec levels of reward - as they are out there they'll pick the higher-end ores avaialable, and often veldspar may not even justify the risk of undocking out there. In the absence of higher yielding veldspar versions, this means the tritanium price has to rise if these miners are to continue producing tritanium at the rates they currently are. However, the tritanium price isn't going to rise very far thanks to the shuttle-based price cap. Which means that shifting miners to low-sec/0.0 will inevitably shift the balance of mining capacity from low-end minerals towards high-end ones. Which will end up pushing the price of high-end minerals down, actively discouraging mining in low-sec/0.0 - the exact opposite effect to the one you're trying to create. You'll eventually end up with miners being forced out of the industry completely. The situation in empire won't be what you want either. As soon as the shuttle price cap is hit, it becomes viable for a single character to produce potentially infinite quantities of tritanium without even having to undock and face the suicide squads anymore. The only way new miners will be able to compete with that is to sell at a lower price, meaning that they will not be significantly more profitable than they are at the moment. The proportion of miners in high-sec space currently is a balance defined by the relative value and availability of ores and demand for minerals. Yes, it would be lovely if experienced players could "graduate" up to 0.0 operations. But the current design of ores actively discourages that from happening. Without a change to that design, no player action can hope to achieve the same effect, and with the design change the market will encourage the move without the need for any specific player intervention. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Lonak Silu	Posted - 2008.02.28 09:45:00 - [334] Posting...ehh..sorry : Poasting in a CCP Marketing dept. thread.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.28 10:00:00 - [335] Quote: However, the tritanium price isn't going to rise very far thanks to the shuttle-based price cap. Which means that shifting miners to low-sec/0.0 will inevitably shift the balance of mining capacity from low-end minerals towards high-end ones. Which will end up pushing the price of high-end minerals down, actively discouraging mining in low-sec/0.0 - the exact opposite effect to the one you're trying to create. You'll eventually end up with miners being forced out of the industry completely. The situation in empire won't be what you want either. As soon as the shuttle price cap is hit, it becomes viable for a single character to produce potentially infinite quantities of tritanium without even having to undock and face the suicide squads anymore. The only way new miners will be able to compete with that is to sell at a lower price, meaning that they will not be significantly more profitable than they are at the moment. Shuttle and the other module(forgot what it was) price cap was removed like 2 patches ago, trit prices have come down since then. Oh and the majority of trit comes from loot refine, not mining.
Nasta443	Posted - 2008.02.28 10:28:00 - [336] Originally by: Gamesguy Shuttle and the other module(forgot what it was) price cap was removed like 2 patches ago, trit prices have come down since then. Oh and the majority of trit comes from loot refine, not mining. The array reprocessing was nerfed but the shuttle cap is still there.
Quelque Chose Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.28 10:31:00 - [337] Edited by: Quelque Chose on 28/02/2008 10:32:39 Edited by: Quelque Chose on 28/02/2008 10:32:16 Originally by: Nasta443 The array reprocessing was nerfed but the shuttle cap is still there. True. Once trit hits 3.61 you can make a profit flipping shuttles if you have scrap metal reprocessing 5 and 6.7 standing to an NPC corp. Re: loot as biggest source of trit. Source? ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Nasta443	Posted - 2008.02.28 10:34:00 - [338] btw how do i get that thumbnail icon overlay thing that shows on the jihadswarm video? The blue and red squares.
Jarl Isensonn DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 10:49:00 - [339] Originally by: McDonALTs Edited by: McDonALTs on 28/02/2008 09:36:00Why bring bob into this? Goons only started this rampage when bob thwarted their invasion attempt in 0.0, so now goonswarm members are trying to divert attention from their defeats. Goons get GTC's as they sell gtc's and make real live money on them due to the refferal in SC. Remember the IRS got involved at one point because of this? Basically its all a cover to hide the fact goons got their asses kicked by bob in 0.0 recently. Thats why goons are busy killing hulks insted of killing bob. Thats the only logical conclusion, to give goons members some sense of victory. Dear Mr Burger. I have only killed one Hulk so far. I am planning to kill a few more the next time I need a skillbook. Spin that into something funny.
Richard Phallus	Posted - 2008.02.28 11:19:00 - [340] Edited by: Richard Phallus on 28/02/2008 11:21:08 So it's "let's force CCP to change the insurance system" day is it? Should make wars more decisive anyway. Best of luck. -- For heresy against CCP by posting images of the sacrificial goat Zulupark you are banished for two weeks - Wrangler
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics	Posted - 2008.02.28 11:20:00 - [341] Edited by: Thenoran on 28/02/2008 11:24:10 The only that gets me is that a suicide ganker can insure his cheap t1 ship and the insurance will pay out for his criminal act. Its like ramming your car into your neighbours house, completely wrecking both. The police acknowledge that the car driver is the guilty party, but the insurance company still gives him a new car for his troubles. Also, Mackinaws are unfairly CPU gimped compared to the other Barges and they cost about as much as a Hulk at the moment, a Hulk with 3 Strip Miners (60 CPU each) and 2 MLU II's will still have plenty of room for a tank. A Mackinaw needs a +3% CPU implant just to be able to fit the second MLU II, on top of that, Ice Harvester II's require 66 CPU for some reason and not 60. You think that for a 100mil+ you'd get a better deal then that. Not using a Mackinaw with two MLU II's means you are better off Ice Mining in a Hulk with Ice modules Boost Mackinaw CPU and fix the insurance payout for getting CONCORD'ed and then risk/reward is atleast balanced. Also, just because I'm an experienced miner doesn't mean I should go into low-sec or 0.0. I go where I can get the best risk/reward that I want, and low-sec is a deathcrap with crappy ores and 0.0 is a pita to get ore out of aswell as the fact I am not active/online enough for a true 0.0 Alliance commitment. I can make more ISK mining by myself in High-sec currently then going else-where so I'm mining in High-sec, end of story, I go where the best profit is without having to face death too many times. ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Kaaii Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.28 11:25:00 - [342] I just sold 22 logistic cruisers in geras last nite... thanks goons According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Chony Caldari UNITED STAR SYNDICATE Ka-Tet	Posted - 2008.02.28 11:59:00 - [343] Edited by: Chony on 28/02/2008 11:59:57 goons pay just as much as everyone else to play so they have the right to kill cowardly high sec miners
Uncle George	Posted - 2008.02.28 12:01:00 - [344] Originally by: Chony Edited by: Chony on 28/02/2008 11:59:57 goons pay just as much as everyone else to play so they have the right to kill cowardly high sec miners Are you role-playing, or just stupid?
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2008.02.28 12:54:00 - [345] Originally by: Gamesguy Shuttle and the other module(forgot what it was) price cap was removed like 2 patches ago, trit prices have come down since then. The coupling array cap was removed, and trit prices actually rose significantly after that (and are still above that old cap value). The shuttle one wasn't. Dr Eyjog said that it should be removed in one of his reports, but game design hasn't done anything about it. Originally by: Gamesguy Oh and the majority of trit comes from loot refine, not mining. Would defnitely be interested in any data you have to support this claim. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Quelque Chose Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.28 13:17:00 - [346] Originally by: Matthew Originally by: Gamesguy Shuttle and the other module(forgot what it was) price cap was removed like 2 patches ago, trit prices have come down since then. The coupling array cap was removed, and trit prices actually rose significantly after that (and are still above that old cap value). The shuttle one wasn't. Dr Eyjog said that it should be removed in one of his reports, but game design hasn't done anything about it. Originally by: Gamesguy Oh and the majority of trit comes from loot refine, not mining. Would defnitely be interested in any data you have to support this claim. This is the same guy who was lecturing us earlier about how pvp players can run industry just as well as people who are stuck in high sec because they've focused on industry. With "mad indy skillz" like that it's little wonder his alliance has been forced to come raid empire in search of a means of remaining solvent. Reminds me of the BoB guy who hasn't actually seen Concord in god knows how long but tried to tell us in another thread how they work. Apparently these guys don't know much about the empire crowd but they sure do know they hate 'em. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Astria Tiphareth Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.28 13:52:00 - [347] Originally by: Uncle George Originally by: Chony Edited by: Chony on 28/02/2008 11:59:57 goons pay just as much as everyone else to play so they have the right to kill cowardly high sec miners Are you role-playing, or just stupid? Pretty poor role-play if it is. They seem to have missed that the current economy is based on high-sector mining (otherwise people wouldn't be complaining/celebrating, depending on which side they're on, about the mass import into 0.0 space of cheap materials). As to believing it's cowardly just shows they've never mined in their life. Overall it's a fad, give it some time and make a bundle doing something else for a while. Alternatively, here's an idea, here is a call to every carebear, trader and miner out there in high-sec. You don't like what GoonSwarm is doing? Stop producing. Stop selling. Stop mining. Freeze the game economy and bring EVE to its knees. Show them the real power of carebears. When demand vastly outstrips supply and everything is over-priced, the hordes of new players on STEAM complain they can't buy anything, and the Goons are forced to mine their own minerals to make their swarms of ships, perhaps then we'll have proved a point of our own. Jihad? I think carebears can do better without firing a shot, and people might actually care about that one. ___ "If you can't debate using logic & fact, and at least recognise other people's point of view, don't waste time posting on forums. It only makes you look like a teenage idiot."
Zorlag Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:08:00 - [348] Originally by: Thenoran Edited by: Thenoran on 28/02/2008 11:24:10 The only that gets me is that a suicide ganker can insure his cheap t1 ship and the insurance will pay out for his criminal act. Its like ramming your car into your neighbours house, laughing like a maniac, completely wrecking both. The police acknowledge that the car driver is the guilty party, but the insurance company still gives him a new car for his troubles. I fixed this part of your quote for you :)
Skud Lundgren	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:09:00 - [349] ESRB Notice: Game Experience May Change During Online Play
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:11:00 - [350] Well, maybe this'll get an end soon (which is too bad really).... According to SHC, BoB are attacking goon held territory. These gankings must really have hit some BoB interests in high-sec hard since they go to this effort to draw goons away from it.... Now, the only question is: Am I using too much tinfoil, or too little? Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Star Dagger Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:16:00 - [351] Edited by: Star Dagger on 28/02/2008 14:21:45 Greetings, I rarely post in the Forums, but this thread has compelled me to go on the record. Firstly I would like to state how i see eve. EVE = Cooperation against Grief. EVE is a hardcore MMO, that is NOT meant to appeal to the middle class masses. It is, in my opinion, a step above in that there is as much danger as you are likely to find in an online game. High-sec with its Concord training wheels will not, and can not, make your mining experience SAFE. And frankly, would you WANT to be completely safe? Sounds like boredom to me. Now whether I agree with the actions the Goons have taken is irrelevant, as are the opinions of the many whiners in this thread. The ONLY thing that will help you is responding to the threat appropriately. Back to my first point, EVE is Cooperation against (or to commit) Grief. You can either cooperate against the 12 (or whatever the number is) Goons or you can come in here and whine about it. Frankly your whining is just a bunch of glowing pixels that will do nothing against the glowing pixels of the Goon forces spanking your aft thrusters. The Goons have shown that they are able to cooperate on such a level as to defeat the forces of BoB and take most of the South. Their accomplishment should be a source of (even if grudging) respect and an inspiration. If 12 coordinated goons can turn Empire upside down, jsut imagine what all the m/whiners (even just the numbers in this thread)could do if organized. The real irony is that a video was circulating not too long ago, of a Hulk luring in would be thieves. I think part of the problem is people think that Empire should be their own personal SAFE isk machine. Wrong. If you want that, GO to one of the many mmos where PvP is consensual. EVE is a rough neighborhood, i have been griefed, ganked, scammed and otherwise treated badly in eve. I am here because it is the best sci-fi game for the PC, and MMO to boot. If you cant handle the cut throat nature of EVE, don't let the stargate hit you on the ass on your way out. (Better yet, grow a pair and join the REAL game down in 0.0) Salutes in the direction of 12 goons who are doing their part to add to the tapestry of EVE Yours in Hardcore Plasma, Star*Dagger P.S. If you are offended by the use of a WORD, you need to be Offended because you are too sensitive to the creative use of an op name.
Dawns	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:19:00 - [352] Goons claims that the minors(miners) of the empire are alt macroteur of whom so laughs, 90 % of the players of Eve having chosen the life in empire Let us call back that the pilots(drivers) of 0.0 represents only 9 % of the players cf the QEN That the economy of 0.0 is just like the politics that this alliance led: politics of the shooting at sight, sterile politics = > sterile economy The economy of the empire is in little meadows healthy, except the macroTagus but, because there's a snag, Us the players of the empire we cannot look which is supposed to be in 0.0 deep, to see practice except charters of the alliance (use of macro of mining or quite other external program facilitating the targeting for example) The pretexts of Goons are deceptive and lies, and has only for only purpose to justify the filling of Let us remind that the players of former(ancient) alliance (cf ex ASCN) practising abuses merged in the others... By this manifesto, I invite the 90 % of the players of the empire to show their reprobation by becoming allied in a unique(only) and inseparable fleet, to clean Eve of her gangrene (" goons ") and to go to destroy(annul) quite their infrastructure of their system Claim. That each take his best Ship to expurgate this evil of the universe!!!
Lucia Warbler Eve University	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:24:00 - [353] Originally by: Kerfira Well, maybe this'll get an end soon (which is too bad really).... According to SHC, BoB are attacking goon held territory. These gankings must really have hit some BoB interests in high-sec hard since they go to this effort to draw goons away from it.... Now, the only question is: Am I using too much tinfoil, or too little? I think it's very nice of them to "attract" the swarm back into 0.0. Premium PR too.
Star Dagger Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:24:00 - [354] Originally by: Dawns Goons claims that the minors(miners) of the empire are alt macroteur of whom so laughs, 90 % of the players of Eve having chosen the life in empire Let us call back that the pilots(drivers) of 0.0 represents only 9 % of the players cf the QEN That the economy of 0.0 is just like the politics that this alliance led: politics of the shooting at sight, sterile politics = > sterile economy The economy of the empire is in little meadows healthy, except the macroTagus but, because there's a snag, Us the players of the empire we cannot look which is supposed to be in 0.0 deep, to see practice except charters of the alliance (use of macro of mining or quite other external program facilitating the targeting for example) The pretexts of Goons are deceptive and lies, and has only for only purpose to justify the filling of Let us remind that the players of former(ancient) alliance (cf ex ASCN) practising abuses merged in the others... By this manifesto, I invite the 90 % of the players of the empire to show their reprobation by becoming allied in a unique(only) and inseparable fleet, to clean Eve of her gangrene (" goons ") and to go to destroy(annul) quite their infrastructure of their system Claim. That each take his best Ship to expurgate this evil of the universe!!! UH WHAT?! Us 0.0 dwellers are either in trouble or a comedy troupe is coming to Tour 0.0 LOL S*D
Calimor Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:25:00 - [355] Edited by: Calimor on 28/02/2008 14:26:18 Originally by: AndrewRyan Words. Hey Andrew. I sacrificed myself three times for the Jihad. I had lots of fun knowing those "newbies" - yes, they were newbies, poor newbies filled with Level V Skills to fly a T2 ship - were suffering, it was pure harassment and joy. I spent around 40 million to destroy 350 million in ships and assets, out of pure sadism, nothing more. I'm a horrible person and agree with everything you say. We're evil, and want to see the suffering of others. The whole combination of the Jihad name with the idea of ruining the "fun" of miners in EVE, be they in Hulks or Bantams is so appealing it makes me feel like it's my single purpose in the game. I wish it was but, alas, I have other things to do. The only thing possibly more boring than mining for hours would be looking for screenshots of said ships for a website By the way, judging by the two Bantams destroyed (which our Leaders probably gave the order to) everyone saying we're ruining the game is right, this will make an insane impact in all the people joining the game through the Steam Trial, since they have a whooping 1% chance of being targeted by a Goon IF they are mining in a Bantam. The chance is much higher for all these trial accounts in Exhumers, though Hope you're happy, because I sure as hell am!
Jdestars Stars Research systems Incorporation	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:28:00 - [356] Edited by: Jdestars on 28/02/2008 14:29:22 Quote: UH WHAT?! Us 0.0 dwellers are either in trouble or a comedy troupe is coming to Tour 0.0 LOL S*D A troupe of 35K of pilote are not a comedy and some of it have more than 70 m sp there are more than 350K of account in eve and 40k in simultanous connection
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:32:00 - [357] Edited by: Thenoran on 28/02/2008 14:32:17 Originally by: Calimor Edited by: Calimor on 28/02/2008 14:28:18 Originally by: AndrewRyan Words. Hey Andrew. I sacrificed myself three times for the Jihad. I had lots of fun knowing those "newbies" - yes, they were newbies, poor newbies filled with Level V Skills to fly a T2 ship - were suffering, it was pure harassment and joy. I spent around 40 million to destroy 350 million in ships and assets, out of pure sadism, nothing more. I'm a horrible person and agree with everything you say. We're evil, and want to see the suffering of others. The whole combination of the Jihad name with the idea of ruining the "fun" of miners in EVE, be they in Hulks or Bantams is so appealing it makes me feel like it's my single purpose in the game. I wish it was but, alas, I have other things to do. The only thing possibly more boring than mining for hours would be looking for screenshots of said ships for a website By the way, judging by the two Bantams destroyed (which our Leaders probably gave the order to) everyone saying we're ruining the game is right, this will make an insane impact in all the people joining the game through the Steam Trial, since they have a whooping 1% chance of being targeted by a Goon IF they are mining in a Bantam. The chance is much higher for all these trial accounts in Exhumers, though Hope you're happy, because I sure as hell am! Edit: Please put a bounty on me, if you may. You do know that eventually all you will cause is making the miners band together for protection, meaning larger groups with warships, which clean out belts even faster and can't be ganked as easily. ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Calimor Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:37:00 - [358] Originally by: Thenoran Edited by: Thenoran on 28/02/2008 14:32:17 Originally by: Calimor Edited by: Calimor on 28/02/2008 14:28:18 Originally by: AndrewRyan Words. Hey Andrew. I sacrificed myself three times for the Jihad. I had lots of fun knowing those "newbies" - yes, they were newbies, poor newbies filled with Level V Skills to fly a T2 ship - were suffering, it was pure harassment and joy. I spent around 40 million to destroy 350 million in ships and assets, out of pure sadism, nothing more. I'm a horrible person and agree with everything you say. We're evil, and want to see the suffering of others. The whole combination of the Jihad name with the idea of ruining the "fun" of miners in EVE, be they in Hulks or Bantams is so appealing it makes me feel like it's my single purpose in the game. I wish it was but, alas, I have other things to do. The only thing possibly more boring than mining for hours would be looking for screenshots of said ships for a website By the way, judging by the two Bantams destroyed (which our Leaders probably gave the order to) everyone saying we're ruining the game is right, this will make an insane impact in all the people joining the game through the Steam Trial, since they have a whooping 1% chance of being targeted by a Goon IF they are mining in a Bantam. The chance is much higher for all these trial accounts in Exhumers, though Hope you're happy, because I sure as hell am! Edit: Please put a bounty on me, if you may. You do know that eventually all you will cause is making the miners band together for protection, meaning larger groups with warships, which clean out belts even faster and can't be ganked as easily. I would find that absolutely amusing. Alas, it would be useless, as I doubt these large groups would be able to destroy a BS before Concord . And that is the time we have to kill the Hulks anyway. If they do manage, more power to them though. It's within their right to band together with warships and clean out belts even faster (Hahahahaha Macro miners banding together with warships)
Korotani Caldari Darkwater Panthers	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:37:00 - [359] Well at the moment I'm a mission grinder, but my god Goonswarm, Nice one. If you end up popping me in my generic Raven, I won't cry.
Lil'Red Ridin'Hood Snake Assault	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:40:00 - [360] Wait a second... is high-sec preparing a wardec on 0.0? Now, that would be pure comedy to watch those fights. Too bad that high-sec dwellers tend to be the exact opposite of motivated, well organised, well informed, and PvP experienced players. If they were only motivated and well organised, it could already make for an entertaining fight.
D0nal0 Trumph	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:45:00 - [361] Originally by: Thenoran Edited by: Thenoran on 28/02/2008 14:32:17 You do know that eventually all you will cause is making the miners band together for protection, meaning larger groups with warships, which clean out belts even faster and can't be ganked as easily. Thenoran, you fail.. Goons are not flipping cans or exploiting game mechanics. Goons are not scannign and killing traders. Goons kill Exhumers. Goons are even a very big word to use here, as there have only been killed 1 exhumer for every 25 goon out there. Given that a few goons have killed more than 15, I would say maybee 2-3% of the goons are doing this. But by all means, band together miners and bring protection. It does not matter. I think this sounds like fun, and I am getting into the event with my level 4 main. My Phoon of doom, with 4 siege, 4 AC, 3 painters, 7 dmg mods, 5 drones on HEAT with faction amo, will MELT any exhumer you put out there, faster than any of you can come between. I have 5.0 in sec status, and I can kill quite a few hulks before I have to go back and run some L4's. I will however only target people in the n00b corps. See you all in space Hulk / Mack pilots.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:45:00 - [362] Originally by: Lil'Red Ridin'Hood Wait a second... is high-sec preparing a wardec on 0.0? Now, that would be pure comedy to watch those fights. Too bad that high-sec dwellers tend to be the exact opposite of motivated, well organised, well informed, and PvP experienced players. If they were only motivated and well organised, it could already make for an entertaining fight. Yes! All 35k high-sec players are prepping their haulers, barges and mission ships to fight the evil 0.0..... Two things will happen: 1. Monumental lag and server crashes! 2. They'll all get slaughtered to the last man, but will manage to kill a Rifter.... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Eowyn Minmatarkiller Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:48:00 - [363] Originally by: Calimor Edited by: Calimor on 28/02/2008 14:37:29 (Hahahahaha miners banding together with warships) Stop laughing of Xetic. Let them rest in peace.
Lil'Red Ridin'Hood Snake Assault	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:48:00 - [364] Edited by: Lil''Red Ridin''Hood on 28/02/2008 14:50:00 Originally by: Kerfira Yes! All 35k high-sec players are prepping their haulers, barges and mission ships to fight the evil 0.0..... Two things will happen: 1. Monumental lag and server crashes! 2. They'll all get slaughtered to the last man, but will manage to kill a Rifter.... ... which died from friendly smart-bomb fire... Edit: On second thought, if the HIGH coalition drove their advance towards the NULL coalition, would they actually make it past low-sec?
Calimor Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:52:00 - [365] Edited by: Calimor on 28/02/2008 14:52:10 Originally by: Lil'Red Ridin'Hood Edited by: Lil''Red Ridin''Hood on 28/02/2008 14:50:00 Originally by: Kerfira Yes! All 35k high-sec players are prepping their haulers, barges and mission ships to fight the evil 0.0..... Two things will happen: 1. Monumental lag and server crashes! 2. They'll all get slaughtered to the last man, but will manage to kill a Rifter.... ... which died from friendly smart-bomb fire... Edit: On second thought, if the HIGH coalition drove their advance towards the NULL coalition, would they actually make it past low-sec? Well my man, there is only one way for them to find out!
Dawns	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:58:00 - [366] Edited by: Dawns on 28/02/2008 14:59:52 i informe you that some ( a lot of ) many corporation in empire product T2 and Capital ship too ... so dont think that all empire player are noob in fight with less skill and some extra troupe can open new front in 0.0 war ;) the troupe of goon are limited to engaged many front
Burnharder	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:06:00 - [367] Originally by: Dawns Edited by: Dawns on 28/02/2008 14:59:52 i informe you that some ( a lot of ) many corporation in empire product T2 and Capital ship too ... so dont think that all empire player are noob in fight with less skill and some extra troupe can open new front in 0.0 war ;) the troupe of goon are limited to engaged many front Fair enough but the truth is we can't be arsed.
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:06:00 - [368] Originally by: D0nal0 Trumph Originally by: Thenoran Edited by: Thenoran on 28/02/2008 14:32:17 You do know that eventually all you will cause is making the miners band together for protection, meaning larger groups with warships, which clean out belts even faster and can't be ganked as easily. Thenoran, you fail.. Goons are not flipping cans or exploiting game mechanics. Goons are not scannign and killing traders. Goons kill Exhumers. Goons are even a very big word to use here, as there have only been killed 1 exhumer for every 25 goon out there. Given that a few goons have killed more than 15, I would say maybee 2-3% of the goons are doing this. But by all means, band together miners and bring protection. It does not matter. I think this sounds like fun, and I am getting into the event with my level 4 main. My Phoon of doom, with 4 siege, 4 AC, 3 painters, 7 dmg mods, 5 drones on HEAT with faction amo, will MELT any exhumer you put out there, faster than any of you can come between. I have 5.0 in sec status, and I can kill quite a few hulks before I have to go back and run some L4's. I will however only target people in the n00b corps. See you all in space Hulk / Mack pilots. you get around 23 kills for a 5.0 sec status before you hit -2.0.
Xerpex Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:10:00 - [369] Edited by: Xerpex on 28/02/2008 15:11:07 High sec declaring war on 0.0 would be awesome. Please do it. edit: This isn't smack, I'm serious.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:26:00 - [370] Originally by: D0nal0 Trumph My Phoon of doom, with 4 siege, 4 AC, 3 painters, 7 dmg mods, 5 drones on HEAT with faction amo, will MELT any exhumer you put out there, faster than any of you can come between. I have 5.0 in sec status, and I can kill quite a few hulks before I have to go back and run some L4's. How good a ganker can you make out of a Raven? My L4 runner is a traditional one with a Raven and uber missiles/shield skills, but few gunnery skills..... He has a sec.level of 6 or so to burn Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Calimor Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:36:00 - [371] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: D0nal0 Trumph My Phoon of doom, with 4 siege, 4 AC, 3 painters, 7 dmg mods, 5 drones on HEAT with faction amo, will MELT any exhumer you put out there, faster than any of you can come between. I have 5.0 in sec status, and I can kill quite a few hulks before I have to go back and run some L4's. How good a ganker can you make out of a Raven? My L4 runner is a traditional one with a Raven and uber missiles/shield skills, but few gunnery skills..... He has a sec.level of 6 or so to burn There isnt much margin to go wrong. Full 6 Torps, hammerheads, BCS, and some two hybrids for safety. You should be losing from 15m to 20m per Raven so choose your targets well.
AltBier Minmatar Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:40:00 - [372] Originally by: Jack Jombardo BUT it's sad anough to see every second day some suicid bombers killing hundrets of civilian people in the name of insert random god" and so SHUT UP! Yeah clearly it's much better to use cruise missiles in the name of insert random political ideology*. In other words, don't get selectively hung up about RL phrases used in EVE.
Tobin Shalim Vulcan Foundry	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:43:00 - [373] Originally by: Cameron Vayle CCP, You are endorsing this style of game play by posting this on your opening news page, infact you are encouraging it. Your logic is flawed as this will cause you to lose customers if allowed to continue. You want new people to come to the game. How do many of the new people arrive? By word of mouth. Allowing this type of action will stop the growth of the game. I know if I am ganked it will be the last time as I will simply walk away from the game as the laws of Concord and the Empires are not being enforced. But this is your choice. As the vast majority of the players live in high sector space it is them you will lose and end up with only the people that want to PvP all the time. Seen many a game die when this happens and those that run the game see it to late. duckmonster - there is no need to use your locater agent. I live in Sharhelund, I fly but a Hulk and a Mack. I refuse to be a subject of your so called empire. An empire I might add that can not seem to even kill off Band of Brothers so must prey on those that fly ships that can not defend themselves. can i have your stuff?
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:49:00 - [374] As an industrialist, I support this ganking. Look not at this as a problem, but rather as an opportunity. Focus your whine in the right direction, the T2 exhumers need more tank! --- Author of rTorrent, the BitTorrent client for real men and mice.
Burnharder	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:53:00 - [375] Originally by: Calimor There isnt much margin to go wrong. Full 6 Torps, hammerheads, BCS, and some two hybrids for safety. You should be losing from 15m to 20m per Raven so choose your targets well. Did you factor in the insurance to that, or is that just the mods? With insurance (~30m) you are losing close to 50.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:54:00 - [376] Originally by: Calimor Originally by: Kerfira My post There isnt much margin to go wrong. Full 6 Torps, hammerheads, BCS, and some two hybrids for safety. You should be losing from 15m to 20m per Raven so choose your targets well. ISK'ies are supposed to be lost as ships (wtf other use do they have?) ISK is easy to come by anyway...... I'll give it some tests when the test server is back up. I'm mainly worried about getting concord jammed before getting the 2nd salvo off.... Don't think I'll ever get off a 3rd even in 0.5... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:57:00 - [377] Edited by: Kerfira on 28/02/2008 16:00:01 Originally by: Burnharder Originally by: Calimor There isnt much margin to go wrong. Full 6 Torps, hammerheads, BCS, and some two hybrids for safety. You should be losing from 15m to 20m per Raven so choose your targets well. Did you factor in the insurance to that, or is that just the mods? With insurance (~30m) you are losing close to 50. I did the calc for the Raven a few weeks ago when arguing against insurance. They cost ~88m then, and you'd get ~112m from insurance which cost ~32m. Total loss ~8m ISK + modules (which're dirt cheap). Raven prices may have gone up since, but I don't think they've gone up that much! Insurance doesn't give you back what you paid for the ship. It gives you a (very high) fixed amount back based on the ship type. This is what makes suicide ganking so profitable these days as the ships used are close to free. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Kuseka Adama Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:08:00 - [378] Wow oh wow has this thread taken off. To you whiners: Stfu actually be at your computer and be more aware! Geez how easy is it to highlight the goonswarm alliance set them personally to red and be done with it? There is no such thing as saftey in high sec. Never has been never will be. You got keystone cops running concord DED and everything else. Personally we need another day where they all go and take a vacation. To the swarmers: I am not going to cheer you on. Speaking as someone who used mining to get access to his first battlecruiser i have a little respect for them now i understand knocking off high sec hulks and such but to be honest i hope you can handle the consequences of it. A player earlier remarked how CCP dealt with the war deccing issue of the privateers (a blatant unwarranted exploit) I am glad its gone i don't like having the idea of a corp being able to merc so many people at once. This may well finally bring the mechanic that will essentially end suicide ganking. By that i mean voiding insurance if concorded. Now maybe thats part of what you want to bring about i got no clue. At any rate the length of this thread just proves how many macroers actually post on the forums. At any rate i dont quite understand it. You launch a strike against one of bob's major systems not all that long ago and you follow it up with this? Why not continue the attack instead of bothering with things up here?
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:08:00 - [379] You know and easy way to strike back at the Goons? Have all the miners get into T1 Cruisers & Frigates (use Jump clones to save your valuable implants) and go invade their space and start killing their patrols & mining operations it diesn't take much time to train up the skills to fly these ships. Hire mercs to go into their space and take out their POS. They are already at war with BoB which is draining resources. If the "Carebears" pool their resources and organize against the Goons they could crush the Goons easily. Will it cost people, oh yes it will, but probably a whole heck of a lot less than a Hulk or two.
McDonALTs	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:11:00 - [380] Originally by: Kerfira Well, maybe this'll get an end soon (which is too bad really).... According to SHC, BoB are attacking goon held territory. These gankings must really have hit some BoB interests in high-sec hard since they go to this effort to draw goons away from it.... Now, the only question is: Am I using too much tinfoil, or too little? Basically, b ob is taking over goon territory, so goons need to go and poo on someone rather than relise that their anti-bob propoganda backfired. Thats why they are beating up hulk pilots, since goons cannot loose then
Red Desire	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:18:00 - [381] Originally by: karttoon Edited by: karttoon on 27/02/2008 21:24:48 Originally by: Lazarus Short I'm with Cameron Vayle on this: the day I get ganked, EVE loses at least one customer. 20 mil to anybody that pops him in a hulk or mackinaw. Eve mail me when it's done. I don't like Goons,which is obvious from my posts but I will give 20 mil ISK also for anyone who pops them. Ganking nubs sux, ganking idiots it's a must.
Kaaii Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:20:00 - [382] Originally by: Kuseka Adama At any rate i dont quite understand it. You launch a strike against one of bob's major systems not all that long ago and you follow it up with this? Why not continue the attack instead of bothering with things up here? Its a failure cascade Goons had brosefs leading the charge -AAA-/RA/IAC/northern-napbuddies while bleating on the forums and occasionally showing up as a meat shield. Now, the above, have taken it on the chin a few good wacks and are regrouping/pausing/whatever. This leaves goons solo against bob, and we all know how that turns out. The need their big ship buddies to make any headway, otherwise its just throw them selves on the swords and laugh, mentality, ie they can't accomplish anything with out poppa RA & Co at their backs. This gank-a-thon is just to bolster the ranks of the already demoralized groups attempting to continue, unaided. Most now know they are nothing but the laughing stock, by themselves.... Its just a Empire based temper tantrum, nothing more... According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:25:00 - [383] Originally by: Kuseka Adama At any rate i dont quite understand it. You launch a strike against one of bob's major systems not all that long ago and you follow it up with this? Why not continue the attack instead of bothering with things up here? This has entirely nothing to do with the war. Yes, NOL did not go all that well. However, BoB has now launched an offensive to take back qy6, and contest Sov 3. All of this, has nothing to do with suiciding Hulks though. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
missionalt GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:30:00 - [384] Originally by: Cygnus Scott You know and easy way to strike back at the Goons? Have all the miners get into T1 Cruisers & Frigates (use Jump clones to save your valuable implants) and go invade their space and start killing their patrols & mining operations it diesn't take much time to train up the skills to fly these ships. Hire mercs to go into their space and take out their POS. They are already at war with BoB which is draining resources. If the "Carebears" pool their resources and organize against the Goons they could crush the Goons easily. Will it cost people, oh yes it will, but probably a whole heck of a lot less than a Hulk or two. we have mining ops? patrols?
Dawns	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:48:00 - [385] /emote Pray the StockProcedure God ("CCP") for apply -10 Concord Standing Against Goons Alliance for inappropriate sanctionnable Action in empire ;)
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:01:00 - [386] Originally by: missionalt Originally by: Cygnus Scott You know and easy way to strike back at the Goons? Have all the miners get into T1 Cruisers & Frigates (use Jump clones to save your valuable implants) and go invade their space and start killing their patrols & mining operations it diesn't take much time to train up the skills to fly these ships. Hire mercs to go into their space and take out their POS. They are already at war with BoB which is draining resources. If the "Carebears" pool their resources and organize against the Goons they could crush the Goons easily. Will it cost people, oh yes it will, but probably a whole heck of a lot less than a Hulk or two. we have mining ops? patrols? i'm sure theta has some mining ops i know rho does occasionaly but we all have combat ships at the ready in the station and a gate camp setup in a dead end system with a covops 5 jumps out sitting on a gate but you know they can try
Tanshi Daiko	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:19:00 - [387] Edited by: Tanshi Daiko on 28/02/2008 17:20:36 Edited by: Tanshi Daiko on 28/02/2008 17:20:00 Well, i returned to the game about a month or two ago (this character was a trial from last year, so i started a new character). Since that time i`ve slowly learned the mining skills to fly a hulk. Yesterday i clicked the "learn astrogeology 5" button....17 day wait countdown begins and then for three days i will learn exhumers. I wont actually be able to afford a hulk on that day, though i will be able to fly one. The exhumers skill cost me 25 million, which is the most expensive thing i have ever bought. My current ship is a retriever, which pulls in about 250K each time i return with a full hold. I have about 7 million in the bank, need another 113 million for a hulk and the basic fittings, give or take some. The corp i joined generously offered to loan me a covetor, a ship worth about 20 million with fittings that can take in double the amount of isk that my retriever can. The skills to fly a retriever are 3 days of learning different to those needed to fly its tech 2 equivalent, the hulk. Thus, up till almost the very last minute, i wont have access to a reasonable income ship, so saving for a hulk is extremely hard. I also have a merlin, though i barely have the skills to use most equipment that average pilots would take for granted. I dont much enjoy combat, found missions to be quite intimidating and strange, also lacking in both content and reward. Why was it i chose to learn to fly a hulk, something that i knew would take 53 or so days from the day i started on the idea? Well, to have some form of status in the EVE world. I was a newbie, with no chance of getting a ship that would be any comparison to the people in a corp. I`d be one of the rank and file, able to shoot some things and off doing endless missions or a bit of pvp that i would simply not be good at. In a hulk at least i have some form of identity and i can then set out on my eve career, while having some sort of reliable income to back it up. Amusing and alarming that this topic should appear. I`m no stranger to the idea of risk and reward, so i wont whine about the matter. The purpose of this post is just to explain to people that there are some people who are newcomers to the game and who set out, from roughly day one, to learn hulk piloting. I havent even got frigate 4 on that character, or industrial 2, but i`ll be flying a ship that means something to me and to others in EVE. My concern is that i dont have other options. If my hulk gets shot up when i finally use it, even if i could replace it, why should i bother? No, you cant have my stuff either, since i wont have stuff for you to have, should i quit. Mining makes money for mining, i dont get cash from missions and i dont have rep either. Hopefuly this will all blow over by the time i actually get my hulk. Even if it does get blown up on day one, at least i achieved something in the game.
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:28:00 - [388] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: missionalt Originally by: Cygnus Scott You know and easy way to strike back at the Goons? Have all the miners get into T1 Cruisers & Frigates (use Jump clones to save your valuable implants) and go invade their space and start killing their patrols & mining operations it diesn't take much time to train up the skills to fly these ships. Hire mercs to go into their space and take out their POS. They are already at war with BoB which is draining resources. If the "Carebears" pool their resources and organize against the Goons they could crush the Goons easily. Will it cost people, oh yes it will, but probably a whole heck of a lot less than a Hulk or two. we have mining ops? patrols? i'm sure theta has some mining ops i know rho does occasionaly but we all have combat ships at the ready in the station and a gate camp setup in a dead end system with a covops 5 jumps out sitting on a gate but you know they can try Man the GS are too stupid to recognize their own tactics... Sure you got T2 ships and the like but even a T2 ship can go down to a bunch of frigates. Gate camp? How many people you going to dedicate to holding that camp in place? Its the resource game fool. There are more "carebears" than you have pilots. You take pilots & ships from fighting BoB to cover your space, whether its to protect your own operations or those of the people paying you to use your space, they will stop paying if you cannot guarantee their safety, or to protect a POS from destruction it WILL hurt you more in the long run than it will the "carebears" that lose T1 ships fitted with T1 gear. If you weren't fighting BoB it would certainly be a different story, but you are at war and you cannot be everywhere at once. Will they do it? Dunno, but they certainly could if you **** off enough people. Remember arrogance has led to the downfall of more than one army, nation, or empire.
Marius Duvall Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:29:00 - [389] Originally by: Kaaii Originally by: Kuseka Adama At any rate i dont quite understand it. You launch a strike against one of bob's major systems not all that long ago and you follow it up with this? Why not continue the attack instead of bothering with things up here? Its a failure cascade Goons had brosefs leading the charge -AAA-/RA/IAC/northern-napbuddies while bleating on the forums and occasionally showing up as a meat shield. Now, the above, have taken it on the chin a few good wacks and are regrouping/pausing/whatever. This leaves goons solo against bob, and we all know how that turns out. The need their big ship buddies to make any headway, otherwise its just throw them selves on the swords and laugh, mentality, ie they can't accomplish anything with out poppa RA & Co at their backs. This gank-a-thon is just to bolster the ranks of the already demoralized groups attempting to continue, unaided. Most now know they are nothing but the laughing stock, by themselves.... Its just a Empire based temper tantrum, nothing more... It's like you can see into our souls. --- Originally by: "Reticenti" Oh, one note to Scius, you have made Goons and BoB agree on something. Good job.
Metro Trade	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:30:00 - [390] Originally by: Dawns /emote Pray the StockProcedure God ("CCP") for apply -10 Concord Standing Against Goons Alliance for inappropriate sanctionnable Action in empire ;) /signed
Tobin Shalim Vulcan Foundry	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:36:00 - [391] durka durka durka jihad. durka durka durka baBOOM goes your ship. what's not to find funny about what GS is doing? i for one applaud the swarm for this. reading this and other threads are keeping me highly amused at a boring day at work.
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:57:00 - [392] Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 28/02/2008 17:57:41 Quote: who set out, from roughly day one, to learn hulk piloting. I havent even got frigate 4 on that character, or industrial 2, but i`ll be flying a ship that means something to me and to others in EVE. That's a very, very risky choice to make... But I did the same thing. I have 60 mil ISK sinked away into my cov ops ship, which would be crippling if I lost it. Not so bad that I'd be totally ******, but I would have some huge issues after that. However, I determined that I believe I can keep it safe, and as such am willing to risk it for the potential ISK involved. If you're training for a hulk, I'm not stopping you, nor am I saying you shouldn't train for it. However, keep in mind the risks involved, research the risks and take all available precautions to keep yourself safe, and don't complain on the forums if your gamble didn't pay off. Every time you fly out in an expensive ship, people, you are taking a gamble, and that gamble is that the ISK you spent on a wtfomghax ship will make enough extra money to cover the loss you may incur. If the risks of flying a particular ship increase too much for your tastes, then fly something else.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 18:01:00 - [393] Originally by: Cygnus Scott Man the GS are too stupid to recognize their own tactics... Sure you got T2 ships and the like but even a T2 ship can go down to a bunch of frigates. Gate camp? How many people you going to dedicate to holding that camp in place? Its the resource game fool. There are more "carebears" than you have pilots. You take pilots & ships from fighting BoB to cover your space, whether its to protect your own operations or those of the people paying you to use your space, they will stop paying if you cannot guarantee their safety, or to protect a POS from destruction it WILL hurt you more in the long run than it will the "carebears" that lose T1 ships fitted with T1 gear. If you weren't fighting BoB it would certainly be a different story, but you are at war and you cannot be everywhere at once. Will they do it? Dunno, but they certainly could if you ** off enough people. Remember arrogance has led to the downfall of more than one army, nation, or empire. Organize this then. You've gotten on your pedastal her, now it is time to rally the troops. Goons will love you for it. You're talking big, but then simultaneously saying "Will they do it?" this is your idea, your baby, you should be responsible for its fruition. If you want to see it happen, make it happen. Have them kill and pod every single Goon pilot they see, and blow up any and all POS they find. Originally by:** CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Jason Travers Space 1999	Posted - 2008.02.28 18:04:00 - [394] Hay Gamesguy, you really are an idiot arenÆt you. The stupidest thing youÆve said yet is that most minerals come from refining ROFL. Let me see you get 43 mil in trit and 11 mil pyrite 3 million mex and 800k in iso from refining loot drops and that is not including the lowsec ores. And I do have another question. We all know youÆre a goon why donÆt you post with your main or are you afraid you might get targeted out? I would also like to see all the highsecers form an alliance to higher every merc corp to wipe out GS.
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.28 18:06:00 - [395] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Cygnus Scott Man the GS are too stupid to recognize their own tactics... Sure you got T2 ships and the like but even a T2 ship can go down to a bunch of frigates. Gate camp? How many people you going to dedicate to holding that camp in place? Its the resource game fool. There are more "carebears" than you have pilots. You take pilots & ships from fighting BoB to cover your space, whether its to protect your own operations or those of the people paying you to use your space, they will stop paying if you cannot guarantee their safety, or to protect a POS from destruction it WILL hurt you more in the long run than it will the "carebears" that lose T1 ships fitted with T1 gear. If you weren't fighting BoB it would certainly be a different story, but you are at war and you cannot be everywhere at once. Will they do it? Dunno, but they certainly could if you **** off enough people. Remember arrogance has led to the downfall of more than one army, nation, or empire. Organize this then. You've gotten on your pedastal her, now it is time to rally the troops. Goons will love you for it. You're talking big, but then simultaneously saying "Will they do it?" this is your idea, your baby, you should be responsible for its fruition. If you want to see it happen, make it happen. Have them kill and pod every single Goon pilot they see, and blow up any and all POS they find. Why should I do that? What's in it for me? Sorry but you blowing up Hulks doesn't hurt me at all.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 18:11:00 - [396] Originally by: Cygnus Scott Why should I do that? What's in it for me? Sorry but you blowing up Hulks doesn't hurt me at all. Oh, so you just wanted to hurf blurf about some stupid crap? Got it. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Dai Nau Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 18:41:00 - [397] Originally by: Red Desire I don't like Goons,which is obvious from my posts but I will give 20 mil ISK also for anyone who pops them. Ganking nubs sux, ganking idiots it's a must. your opinion runs contrary to allah's word you will be killed.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 18:42:00 - [398] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Cygnus Scott Why should I do that? What's in it for me? Sorry but you blowing up Hulks doesn't hurt me at all. Oh, so you just wanted to hurf blurf about some stupid crap? Got it. clap clap clap you tell him
Information Minister The Ministry of Truth	Posted - 2008.02.28 18:47:00 - [399] Pro-tip #871: only fly what you can afford to lose. Even if you're in Empire.
Dr oozy	Posted - 2008.02.28 19:11:00 - [400] Its ok Exhumer pilots.. look what Goonsquad are offering now! Cilandra Gazent > You can be saved from the jihad if you so wish, there can be protection! contact me if your interested, or lose more ships, the choice is yours! And it clearly says in Cilandras Bio that she handles Protection money. Miners are saved!
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.28 19:32:00 - [401] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Cygnus Scott Why should I do that? What's in it for me? Sorry but you blowing up Hulks doesn't hurt me at all. Oh, so you just wanted to hurf blurf about some stupid crap? Got it. No, if I wanted the headache of running a Corp or an Alliance I'd have created one, which is what organizing several hundreds of people pretty much is. I'm just pointing out how easy it would be for the parties concerned to strike back at the Goons if they had the desire. Pointing out the potential consequences of your little jihad. Why don't you have the balls to hit mission runners? I mean at least we can fly and outfit battleships, battle cruisers and the like. Make CNRs the target of choice and see how long before things get bad for you.
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 19:34:00 - [402] our wonderful economist tells us that most people dont even leave high-sec so we're just bringing a bit of 0.0 to you enjoy Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Zorlag Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 19:35:00 - [403] Originally by: Jason Travers Hay Gamesguy, you really are an idiot arenÆt you. The stupidest thing youÆve said yet is that most minerals come from refining ROFL. Let me see you get 43 mil in trit and 11 mil pyrite 3 million mex and 800k in iso from refining loot drops and that is not including the lowsec ores. And I do have another question. We all know youÆre a goon why donÆt you post with your main or are you afraid you might get targeted out? I would also like to see all the highsecers form an alliance to higher every merc corp to wipe out GS. Did you just tell a Triumvirate guy to post with his Goonswarm main? Just when I think this thread can't get any better...
Janey BagoDonuts	Posted - 2008.02.28 19:36:00 - [404] From a Goon to a non Goon in a private channel today... A little insight into the behind the scenes thoughts And yes, I'm a spy and I wont post with my main... A****** > I love logging in, to see 60 locals camping the station :P N**** > use your charms to sneak out :P A**** > Heh A**** > I read a forum post saying 'incomming fleet' yesterday at work, right before I went out to a long evening out with friends. N**** > if you say so A**** > so I set my pod to a different station, and will see about blowing my self up. I am tempted to make a run for it in a shuttle... N**** > good luck A**** > I just had a :downs:goon moment, and remembered I have a jump clone. N**** > ah - war is not going on on fast track i guess - your corpies declared war on empire miners and sent gank squads to blow them up for fun A**** > The empire miners thing does has a qualification that you need to kill a certain ratio of ships in the front line war zone to remain in the contest :) A**** > so if you JUST grief pubbies, you are not going to win. A**** > gotta show up to fleet, too A**** > way I see it - every once in a while, goonfleet needs to remind people we are ***s :) N**** > and proud of it i guess N**** > well its a dog eat dog world anyway A**** > If we are not *ish, people might confuse us with some sort of robinhood mentality ;) N**** > well if people would learn from past mistakes it would be good - it would not be that beneficial to declare as the next evil empire for people to gang up against imo A**** > No worries on that. as soon as we finish bob, Goonswarm will fracture, and we will have the 'great reset' and start killing each other A**** > My money is on the russians dec'ing us. N****** > hehe - its a game after all
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 19:39:00 - [405] Originally by: Janey BagoDonuts From a Goon to a non Goon in a private channel today... A little insight into the behind the scenes thoughts was this Goon in Groon because if so he's correct. they are first against the wall when The Great Purge comes. Waffe second. Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Skebet Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.28 19:40:00 - [406] Goons (and TRI for that matter) are doing Eve a favor with this. Someone needs to keep the Empire dwellers on their toes.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 19:41:00 - [407] Originally by: Cygnus Scott No, if I wanted the headache of running a Corp or an Alliance I'd have created one, which is what organizing several hundreds of people pretty much is. I'm just pointing out how easy it would be for the parties concerned to strike back at the Goons if they had the desire. Pointing out the potential consequences of your little jihad. Why don't you have the balls to hit mission runners? I mean at least we can fly and outfit battleships, battle cruisers and the like. Make CNRs the target of choice and see how long before things get bad for you. For the same reason you don't have the balls to put your money where your mouth is. You keep talking about how easy it is, so then if it is so easy, there shouldn't be much of a headache. You don't even need to form your own corp or whatever, just get other people to rally behind you, from various corps/alliances, form your own coalition. And then stage a massive attack on RSF holdings. Cmon, it's so easy, and you seem to be so confident that it'll work. SO cmon buddy, step up.o Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 19:44:00 - [408] Originally by: Cygnus Scott Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Cygnus Scott Why should I do that? What's in it for me? Sorry but you blowing up Hulks doesn't hurt me at all. Oh, so you just wanted to hurf blurf about some stupid crap? Got it. No, if I wanted the headache of running a Corp or an Alliance I'd have created one, which is what organizing several hundreds of people pretty much is. I'm just pointing out how easy it would be for the parties concerned to strike back at the Goons if they had the desire. Pointing out the potential consequences of your little jihad. Why don't you have the balls to hit mission runners? I mean at least we can fly and outfit battleships, battle cruisers and the like. Make CNRs the target of choice and see how long before things get bad for you. hey man we're in QY6-RK its the big red blob on the map when you check "Ships killed in the last 24 hours" you can't really miss it im sure all you l33t pubbies wont have a problem getting that far into 0.0 just watch out for low-sec gatecamps k bro travel safe~~~ xoxo Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Zorlag Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 20:03:00 - [409] Originally by: Cygnus Scott Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Cygnus Scott No, if I wanted the headache of running a Corp or an Alliance I'd have created one, which is what organizing several hundreds of people pretty much is. I'm just pointing out how easy it would be for the parties concerned to strike back at the Goons if they had the desire. Pointing out the potential consequences of your little jihad. Why don't you have the balls to hit mission runners? I mean at least we can fly and outfit battleships, battle cruisers and the like. Make CNRs the target of choice and see how long before things get bad for you. For the same reason you don't have the balls to put your money where your mouth is. You keep talking about how easy it is, so then if it is so easy, there shouldn't be much of a headache. You don't even need to form your own corp or whatever, just get other people to rally behind you, from various corps/alliances, form your own coalition. And then stage a massive attack on RSF holdings. Cmon, it's so easy, and you seem to be so confident that it'll work. SO cmon buddy, step up.o I'm not part of the group of people attacking defenseless ships, I don't need to prove anything. The Goons are losing to BoB from all accounts seems like they didn't have the grit to prevail in 0.0 so they turn to defenseless ships in high sec. Seems like you all are the ones with something to prove, not me. The Goons are like the kid who loses a fight so he goes home and beats up his much smaller sibling or beats the dog, cause they are so inadequate elsewhere. Feeling a bit impotent were you? I bet ganking mining barges in high sec makes you feel powerful again. Maybe if your boss chews you out at work IRL you can go home and beat upon your GF/Wife and/or kids too, you'll be real manly and uber then too right? counterpoint: who cares what you think
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 20:06:00 - [410] Originally by: Cygnus Scott Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Cygnus Scott No, if I wanted the headache of running a Corp or an Alliance I'd have created one, which is what organizing several hundreds of people pretty much is. I'm just pointing out how easy it would be for the parties concerned to strike back at the Goons if they had the desire. Pointing out the potential consequences of your little jihad. Why don't you have the balls to hit mission runners? I mean at least we can fly and outfit battleships, battle cruisers and the like. Make CNRs the target of choice and see how long before things get bad for you. For the same reason you don't have the balls to put your money where your mouth is. You keep talking about how easy it is, so then if it is so easy, there shouldn't be much of a headache. You don't even need to form your own corp or whatever, just get other people to rally behind you, from various corps/alliances, form your own coalition. And then stage a massive attack on RSF holdings. Cmon, it's so easy, and you seem to be so confident that it'll work. SO cmon buddy, step up.o I'm not part of the group of people attacking defenseless ships, I don't need to prove anything. The Goons are losing to BoB from all accounts seems like they didn't have the grit to prevail in 0.0 so they turn to defenseless ships in high sec. Seems like you all are the ones with something to prove, not me. The Goons are like the kid who loses a fight so he goes home and beats up his much smaller sibling or beats the dog, cause they are so inadequate elsewhere. Feeling a bit impotent were you? I bet ganking mining barges in high sec makes you feel powerful again. Maybe if your boss chews you out at work IRL you can go home and beat upon your GF/Wife and/or kids too, you'll be real manly and uber then too right? thats it buddy you and me, jita 4-4 in kestrels. 30 paces and draw. for honor, glory and honour. then i go beat your mother. Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 20:06:00 - [411] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 28/02/2008 20:07:42 So again, you just want to talk big? Also yes, it is true, we did not take NOL, and thus have completely lost, ran out of steam, and are going back to Syndicate. BoB can have all our stations. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Ioci Gallente Ioci Exploration	Posted - 2008.02.28 20:06:00 - [412] Originally by: viper2885 I just laugh at the ignorant people out there who see an exhumer and automatically assume the pilot is a macro and must therefore be destroyed. Most miners are in fact NOT macros. To suggest otherwise would be the same as my saying all goons are Islamist extremists based upon the (not funny) rantings of a few about their new "mission". I'm pretty sure I can agree with that, unless you have automated corp chat intergrated into your macro. You yourself have complained a few times that the macro maniacs deplete economic value in the game though. If that was the mission of goonfleet, I would have happily helped them. I don't know what they are up to now. I don't think they do. I also saw a few rip off corps in other alliances like gunfleet and gunswarm. So goonfleet are getting grief here too. They aren't complaining though. I'm sure they will apply justice in the unique way that they do if they are being misrepresented. But to the point. What are Goonfleet up to? Same old, same old I guess..
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.28 20:12:00 - [413] Originally by: Dramaticus thats it buddy you and me, jita 4-4 in kestrels. 30 paces and draw. for honor, glory and honour. then i go beat your mother. Jita? No thanks. How about Vaankalen? 30 paces and draw. For honor, glory and the hell of it. Then I go screw your mother.
Ioci Gallente Ioci Exploration	Posted - 2008.02.28 20:13:00 - [414] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 28/02/2008 20:07:42 So again, you just want to talk big? Also yes, it is true, we did not take NOL, and thus have completely lost, ran out of steam, and are going back to Syndicate. BoB can have all our stations. Nobody expected you to beat BoB and everyone knows why. Gratz for trying.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 20:17:00 - [415] from all accounts seems like they didn't have the grit to prevail in 0.0 quoting the guy bashing goonswarm, all I have to say is indeed
karttoon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 20:28:00 - [416] I really love this thread.
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.28 20:35:00 - [417] Originally by: MotherMoon from all accounts seems like they didn't have the grit to prevail in 0.0 quoting the guy bashing goonswarm, all I have to say is indeed Yeah that's a lot of red, but a good deal of that red doesn't belong to GoonSwarm. What did things look like at the onset of this little conflict? I'm relatively new to EVE so I don't know what it looked like 6 months ago. How much has BoB actually lost? How much have the Goons actually won?
Ioci Gallente Ioci Exploration	Posted - 2008.02.28 20:35:00 - [418] Originally by: MotherMoon from all accounts seems like they didn't have the grit to prevail in 0.0 quoting the guy bashing goonswarm, all I have to say is indeed It's all nano -I win button- in Null. Not much different than 'beating defenseless ships' up in safe really. Not an Eve grief. In all MMO's it's called FotM. Right now, Nano is FotM. Too all the miners being impacted, Amarr Prophecy with 6 miner 2's and 5 light drones. You will need a hauler or should have one anyway. This will set you up with 800+ per minute. Not as efficient as a hulk but it will keep you in space doing what you do and has enough resists and armor to hold out for Concord. There may be a Gallente BC with a similar option. I am giving up on this thread. Sticking up for goonfleet is freaking me out.. keeew da bumblebee!!! .. feel better now..
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics	Posted - 2008.02.28 20:38:00 - [419] Heck, I have a Rokh that mines over 4000m3 so I could mine if I want to and I doubt it could be ganked in time before CONCORD comes to the rescue Still want to use my shiny new Mackinaw though ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 20:40:00 - [420] Originally by: Cygnus Scott Originally by: MotherMoon from all accounts seems like they didn't have the grit to prevail in 0.0 quoting the guy bashing goonswarm, all I have to say is indeed Yeah that's a lot of red, but a good deal of that red doesn't belong to GoonSwarm. What did things look like at the onset of this little conflict? I'm relatively new to EVE so I don't know what it looked like 6 months ago. How much has BoB actually lost? How much have the Goons actually won? I'm not looking at the red, I'm looking at the goonswarm sov, you might not get it but that's a lot of space to own, goonswarm was pressed back to one station in 0.0 space at one point. here's an older look about 7 months ago? http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/crii/26.03.109.jpg
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 20:42:00 - [421] Originally by: Ioci Originally by: MotherMoon from all accounts seems like they didn't have the grit to prevail in 0.0 quoting the guy bashing goonswarm, all I have to say is indeed It's all nano -I win button- in Null. Not much different than 'beating defenseless ships' up in safe really. Not an Eve grief. In all MMO's it's called FotM. Right now, Nano is FotM. Too all the miners being impacted, Amarr Prophecy with 6 miner 2's and 5 light drones. You will need a hauler or should have one anyway. This will set you up with 800+ per minute. Not as efficient as a hulk but it will keep you in space doing what you do and has enough resists and armor to hold out for Concord. There may be a Gallente BC with a similar option. I am giving up on this thread. Sticking up for goonfleet is freaking me out.. keeew da bumblebee!!! .. feel better now.. tell me how nanos win 200 on 200 fleet fights please. in my expreince the team with more slow battleships and carriers and so forth win. nano ships in null space jsut run around and don't really do much as far as pushing out sov and the like, if they take 20 dreads at your pos and you bring 20 nano vaga, well good luck with that.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 21:06:00 - [422] BRUCE are the most important members of the coalition. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.28 21:12:00 - [423] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Cygnus Scott Originally by: MotherMoon from all accounts seems like they didn't have the grit to prevail in 0.0 quoting the guy bashing goonswarm, all I have to say is indeed Yeah that's a lot of red, but a good deal of that red doesn't belong to GoonSwarm. What did things look like at the onset of this little conflict? I'm relatively new to EVE so I don't know what it looked like 6 months ago. How much has BoB actually lost? How much have the Goons actually won? I'm not looking at the red, I'm looking at the goonswarm sov, you might not get it but that's a lot of space to own, goonswarm was pressed back to one station in 0.0 space at one point. here's an older look about 7 months ago? http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/crii/26.03.109.jpg Looks like there have been a lot of shifting in Alliances in the past 7 months, BoB has definitely lost a good deal of space. However the Goons have not gained all that much since then. In the last seven months they connected Scalding Creek and Detroid, and exchanged some of the area around Omist for a amount of that used to belong to BoB. AAA and Red Alliance have also made large gains in territory too. The Northern Allaince has also made significant gains of BoB territory as well. BFD in 7 months it will look just as different.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 21:32:00 - [424] Originally by: Cygnus Scott Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Cygnus Scott Originally by: MotherMoon from all accounts seems like they didn't have the grit to prevail in 0.0 quoting the guy bashing goonswarm, all I have to say is indeed Yeah that's a lot of red, but a good deal of that red doesn't belong to GoonSwarm. What did things look like at the onset of this little conflict? I'm relatively new to EVE so I don't know what it looked like 6 months ago. How much has BoB actually lost? How much have the Goons actually won? I'm not looking at the red, I'm looking at the goonswarm sov, you might not get it but that's a lot of space to own, goonswarm was pressed back to one station in 0.0 space at one point. here's an older look about 7 months ago? http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/crii/26.03.109.jpg Looks like there have been a lot of shifting in Alliances in the past 7 months, BoB has definitely lost a good deal of space. However the Goons have not gained all that much since then. In the last seven months they connected Scalding Creek and Detroid, and exchanged some of the area around Omist for a amount of that used to belong to BoB. AAA and Red Alliance have also made large gains in territory too. The Northern Allaince has also made significant gains of BoB territory as well. BFD in 7 months it will look just as different. but you said that goons culd handle 0.0 space. they have done nothing but gain more and more space, and not too much space. you can't say something like goons are failing in 0.0 space, they have what ot takes that shouldn't not require explanation. if you want I'll get even older maps.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 21:39:00 - [425] It is obvious that this guy really knows what is going on, and has all kinds of knowledge of the wars going on in 0.0. After all, COAD is where all the proper info is given out. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Stranger Ranger Minmatar GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.02.28 21:39:00 - [426] You people misunderstand us. We as goons just like to have fun and this is the month's FUN THING Lots of goons like to be hated by everyone else so you are just giving us what we WANT You have to admit some of the kills have been f***king sweet so far, lol, like the officer equipped hulk.
Kyoto Luyi MX3 Development Zzz	Posted - 2008.02.28 21:51:00 - [427] Originally by: Cygnus Scott Looks like there have been a lot of shifting in Alliances in the past 7 months, BoB has definitely lost a good deal of space. However the Goons have not gained all that much since then. In the last seven months they connected Scalding Creek and Detroid, and exchanged some of the area around Omist for a amount of that used to belong to BoB. AAA and Red Alliance have also made large gains in territory too. The Northern Allaince has also made significant gains of BoB territory as well. BFD in 7 months it will look just as different. EvE has been like this since way back when CA were around, not forgetting the conflict that got nicknamed the "Great Northern War" A bit like how WW1 was "the war to end all wars" coughs... yep.. Alliances claim space, fight eachother, the map changes, the alliances change, and everything stays the same -- The views or opinions I express are solely my own and do not reflect those of my Corporation or Alliance.. Oh, and I'm NOT allowed in CAOD either :)
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 21:51:00 - [428] Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 28/02/2008 21:52:25 Originally by: Stranger Ranger You people misunderstand us. We as goons just like to have fun and this is the month's FUN THING Lots of goons like to be hated by everyone else so you are just giving us what we WANT You have to admit some of the kills have been f***king sweet so far, lol, like the officer equipped hulk. the one with a gistii a type booster with a b type boost amp and then the one with 2 t2 cargo expander rigs are my fav so far :).
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.28 22:04:00 - [429] Originally by: An Anarchyyt It is obvious that this guy really knows what is going on, and has all kinds of knowledge of the wars going on in 0.0. After all, COAD is where all the proper info is given out. lolz, if that was at me I'm proud of my 2 posts in that hellish place lol.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 22:11:00 - [430] Originally by: Stranger Ranger You people misunderstand us. We as goons just like to have fun and this is the month's FUN THING Lots of goons like to be hated by everyone else so you are just giving us what we WANT You have to admit some of the kills have been f*king sweet so far, lol, like the officer equipped hulk. I hated by some mouthy goons too Funny thing though, I didn't see any of them when I was in QY6 fighting the good fight against the evil BoB Originally by:** Avaricia look a goon lol
quickshot89 Caldari Imperators	Posted - 2008.02.28 22:16:00 - [431] i have a question for the goons, what about those pilots who use the hulks for corp mining? you going to kill them because they have put the time into the skills? Imperators, we seek glory and honour
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.28 22:18:00 - [432] Originally by: MotherMoon but you said that goons culd handle 0.0 space. they have done nothing but gain more and more space, and not too much space. you can't say something like goons are failing in 0.0 space, they have what ot takes that shouldn't not require explanation. if you want I'll get even older maps. As I said from what I've read the Goons have been getting smacked recently, it clearly state "that from all reports" now if those are inaccurate then I'm wrong but I've seen a couple Goons admit to the fact that they've been losing lately. I think even one admits to it in this thread or some other similar thread.
Metro Trade	Posted - 2008.02.28 22:19:00 - [433] After NOL, goon attack only pilot they can really shoot down (T1 Fregs, Retriever, Mackinaw and Hulk) Originally by: BoB Pilot Look a GOON, he run to NOL (lol)
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 22:29:00 - [434] Originally by: Cygnus Scott As I said from what I've read the Goons have been getting smacked recently, it clearly state "that from all reports" now if those are inaccurate then I'm wrong but I've seen a couple Goons admit to the fact that they've been losing lately. I think even one admits to it in this thread or some other similar thread. Well then you should learn to read better. We took QY6, broke Sov 4 in that constellation, and we lead a failed assault on NOL, and now BoB is attempting to retake QY6. So what exactly have we lost? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.28 22:39:00 - [435] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Cygnus Scott As I said from what I've read the Goons have been getting smacked recently, it clearly state "that from all reports" now if those are inaccurate then I'm wrong but I've seen a couple Goons admit to the fact that they've been losing lately. I think even one admits to it in this thread or some other similar thread. Well then you should learn to read better. We took QY6, broke Sov 4 in that constellation, and we lead a failed assault on NOL, and now BoB is attempting to retake QY6. So what exactly have we lost? A failed assault on NOL sounds like you lost something to me.
Astutia Venator	Posted - 2008.02.28 22:43:00 - [436] Well didn't expect the thread to be this long already...so nope...didn't read all the entries, just putting in my two-cents in regards to the original news posting. I am quite aware of the fact that EVE is generally speaking a PvP game, but it sure isn't the reason I started playing the game. What drew me originaly to the game was and still is the huge tech tree which is reminicent of many stand-alone games I have played and enjoyed. Then I found out about all the things a person can do that does not involve PvP, but is true PvE, and in no particular order, I really enjoy the mission running, mining, manufacturing, and the trading. These PvE aspects of the game is what I enjoy about the game and what keeps me playing and yes, paying for 4 seperate accounts. After reading the news article, I'd like to know where GoonSwarm gets off thinking they can dictate how people should be playing the game? Oh, I'm quite sure there is a hidden agenda that wasn't mentioned in the article, and I'm definately not upset that probably most of their targets were macros...but the blanket statement that everyone by the time they are able to fly a hulk should be in 0.0 lawless space is making a great deal of assumptions and most of them wrong. If I wanted to PvP, or worry about politics and war, I'd be out there as well. That's not my type of game or personality and I'm quite certain I'm not alone in this. War in my opinion is a waste of time, energy, money, and lives whether in real life or in virtual reality...about the only good thing is that in EVE it isn;t real lives that are lost or ruined. Politics is no different, just a bunch of people saying what others want to hear just so they can get what...money, prestige, power? At what cost? It sure isn't for the people they are representing and all that power, money and prestige...they sure can't take it with them when they die. So hey...you wanna bring your PvP/0.0 fleet into Empire space, where by your own words you don't belong, and beat up on some macros or farmers...go for it. Just leave the honest players that just want to have some fun time away from the real world alone. Oh yeah...before you even ask, this is just a plain ol' alt that's not in any corp or woth much. I'm not entirely stupid here. I use my primary alt to post this message and it would be like target painting my ship and small corp...something my corpmates don't need or deserve.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 22:44:00 - [437] I guess it's not obvious, but not gaining something, and losing something, are two different things. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
MyNameIsJackie Chan Okkelen Grave Robbers	Posted - 2008.02.28 22:46:00 - [438] Edited by: MyNameIsJackie Chan on 28/02/2008 22:46:52 From what I understand, Goons have lost NOL. Now, to loose NOL, in less than 2 weeks, that is an achievment even for Goons. Originally by: Ioci But to the point. What are Goonfleet up to? Same old, same old I guess.. What part of killing Exhumers in empire for killboard ranking, do you NOT understand? If they are macroers or just plain unworthy of mining in Goon space, should not matter. Read the F***ING ISD news, GOONS have claimed all systems with ICEBELTS in empire.
Yarr2K Amarr Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.02.28 22:48:00 - [439] hahahaha. Go Goonies.
Jdestars Stars Research systems Incorporation	Posted - 2008.02.28 22:49:00 - [440] The pilots of this alliance which uses an external program which modifies datum of the Program client of eve for 2 years i) seems are also guilty as the pilots which makes of the macroTagus it is necessary that "C.C.P". Intervene to punish them because it facilitates their targeting and the identification of pilots in the Local Chan
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 22:55:00 - [441] Originally by: Ioci It's all nano -I win button- in Null. Not much different than 'beating defenseless ships' up in safe really. Not an Eve grief. In all MMO's it's called FotM. Right now, Nano is FotM. Vagabonds are the best ships out there for shooting POS's. It's true.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 22:56:00 - [442] Originally by: Cygnus Scott A failed assault on NOL sounds like you lost something to me. What exactly would that be?
iIaiIaiIa	Posted - 2008.02.28 23:00:00 - [443] Originally by: Hannobaal What exactly would that be? well tbqh you lost ur honour
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.28 23:04:00 - [444] Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Cygnus Scott A failed assault on NOL sounds like you lost something to me. What exactly would that be? I dunno ships maybe? What normally equates to losing a battle, BoB getting a higher roll on the D20?
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 23:06:00 - [445] Well generally, losing means we have had to have had something in the first place. See, the way it works is, BoB lost QY6, and they lost Constellation Sov there. However, they successfully defended and retained NOL. Now, if BoB takes back QY6, THEN we'd have lost something. Because see, we have QY6 now. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.02.28 23:09:00 - [446] Originally by: iIaiIaiIa Originally by: Hannobaal What exactly would that be? well tbqh you lost ur honour welp, looks like its time to pack it all up goonswarm, looks like you've lost "ur honour", how can you possibly go on?
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.28 23:09:00 - [447] Oh FFS. Don't turn this thread into a tired cookie cutter CAOD e-peen fest plz. Lets get back to making the carebears post multiple topics like "Petition to stop suicide ganking" or some such. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Zorlag Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 23:10:00 - [448] Goonswarm: Honor. Pride. Honour.
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.02.28 23:50:00 - [449] Originally by: Zorlag Goonswarm: Failure. Epeen. Losses. There, all fixed. Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Pooka Caldari United Space Aillance USA	Posted - 2008.02.29 00:17:00 - [450] Originally by: Dana Foxworth Originally by: Nasty eX Personally, I'm very offended by the talk of Jihad that Goonswarm and its corps are ranting about on local. As a proud American, I'm hurt by how easy that very strong word gets used. I have not forgot 9/11, and neither should anyone else in the free world. Just like the terrorist's back on that horrible day, the Goonswarm and all their associated corps have cowardly attacked miners in high sec with nothing to loose. Then they spout off religious rants in local forcing their beliefs on their victims. I for one will not follow nor tolerate it. In fact, when my time card runs out, I will be cancelling my subscription until CCP does something to stop what is going on. If I were associated with the Goons in any way, I would be hanging my head in shame on what my fellow Alliance members were doing. Show some balls, stop ganking miners. Any noob can pop a mining ship, show me your real stats and fight a real war without having to hide like the cowards that you are now. Next thing you'll be doing is can baiting the noobs. Just a bunch of wusses in my opinion. Goon troll alt spotted. I just got back from a bussiness trip to Seattle. WTF is this about Goon swarm and a high sec JIHAD??? I too am offened by this **** from the bees I hate to say it but I can't support the swarm anymore. LONG LIVE THE BoB and CAREBEARS!!! PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN...TRUST NO ONE
Valkazm Amarr Knights of Tiberius Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.29 00:37:00 - [451] . I just got back from a bussiness trip to Seattle. WTF is this about Goon swarm and a high sec JIHAD??? I too am offened by this **** from the bees I hate to say it but I can't support the swarm anymore. LONG LIVE THE BoB and CAREBEARS!!! IM shocked i would never have guessed that by just looking at your corp name :) ....................................... Signature Breaking Eve news
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.29 00:49:00 - [452] Btw. Whats an Aillance? Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Pooka Caldari United Space Aillance USA	Posted - 2008.02.29 01:04:00 - [453] Originally by: Zeba Btw. Whats an Aillance? A misspelling of Alliance and not having the 3 million to start the corp over again.. that was over 3 1/2 years ago and ISK was hard to come by... LOL PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN...TRUST NO ONE
Chelone Stone Shadow Syndicate	Posted - 2008.02.29 01:20:00 - [454] Originally by: Gamesguy SWG failed because the devs changed the game completely without consulting the player base Kinda like Ambulation?
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.29 01:44:00 - [455] Originally by: Chelone Originally by: Gamesguy SWG failed because the devs changed the game completely without consulting the player base Kinda like Ambulation? Ambulation has what to do with ganking hulks?
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.02.29 01:56:00 - [456] Well, they are both aspects of the game Eve Online, albeit totally unrelated beyond that. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.02.29 02:15:00 - [457] Sigh. Ambulation is not going to overhaul the base gameplay of EVE. ****ty comparison.
Siianodel Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.02.29 02:29:00 - [458] I dont see how this is really a problem for anyone except those AFK miners. Besides it is kinda funny to watch when it happens. How about this for 5 mil ill fly out to your hulk in whatever field in my noob ship .. shoot you with my noob gun until concord shows up so i get blowed up .. they will hang around for an hour or 2 "protecting" you. when they leave for another 5 mil ill come and do it again. i see an oppurtunity here ... Quiet! ... Do you smell that?
Hrin Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 02:46:00 - [459] Edited by: Hrin on 29/02/2008 02:47:02 Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Cygnus Scott Originally by: MotherMoon from all accounts seems like they didn't have the grit to prevail in 0.0 quoting the guy bashing goonswarm, all I have to say is indeed Yeah that's a lot of red, but a good deal of that red doesn't belong to GoonSwarm. What did things look like at the onset of this little conflict? I'm relatively new to EVE so I don't know what it looked like 6 months ago. How much has BoB actually lost? How much have the Goons actually won? I'm not looking at the red, I'm looking at the goonswarm sov, you might not get it but that's a lot of space to own, goonswarm was pressed back to one station in 0.0 space at one point. here's an older look about 7 months ago? http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/crii/26.03.109.jpg Why are you looking at those ugly biased maps made by a BoB flunkie? Those Joshua maps have been a BoB propaganda tool for years. Use the automated SOV influence maps. http://sov.eve-dev.net/maps/influence.png
Eva Marie	Posted - 2008.02.29 02:58:00 - [460] CCP Closed my topic about the Jihad word being offensive to a lot of people. I can see in this topic this has been exposed as well. Why would CCP close the topic, no one was breaking the rules?
Colonel Bloodtide	Posted - 2008.02.29 03:06:00 - [461] Originally by: Eva Marie CCP Closed my topic about the Jihad word being offensive to a lot of people. I can see in this topic this has been exposed as well. Why would CCP close the topic, no one was breaking the rules? Two reasons 1) It was an epic whine/flamefest which was tedious to the point where gouging out your own eyes was more fun than reading it. 2) No one cares except maybe 2% of the Eve population who have corn cobs stuck up their arses
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 03:17:00 - [462] OH MAN. If you think that 20 goons up to mischief in highsec is the end of the world, wait till you see what we have brewing next. It'll make your brain bleed. At the very least, we now think we can succeed in eradicating the Exhumer from highsec completely. It will be glorious. I can't wait till its announced. -----------
Hippy Dave	Posted - 2008.02.29 03:43:00 - [463] duckmonster if i didn't think you'd gank me to I'd happily help your war effort (Jihad - there i said it lol) cause frankly the responses of some of the high sec dwellers in this thread makes me want to stamp them out of existence.. But sadly i think id become another statistic :) Oh well i shall watch from afar and cheer you on...
Dex Malheart	Posted - 2008.02.29 04:01:00 - [464] This will only push Hulks into high(er) sec. I note that the killboard does not show any Exhumers being destroyed in 0.8 and above, which I would guess means that they are relying on the slower Concord response times in 0.5 to 0.7 to successfully suicide gank the Hulks. Exhumer pilots will merely migrate to 0.8+ to mine. They can still be ganked there of course but not as easily or cheaply. I suppose people mining in Bantams in those systems will have to compete with Hulks for ore. As for the argument that they're merely attacking macro miners, that seems to be a very common excuse from the mouths of griefers when results show that legitimate miners are often the victims just as much if not more than macro miners. If you're going to be the bad guy, then be it, but don't make any pretensions about what you are and what you are doing. You just make yourself look like a liar and a bad one at that.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.29 04:14:00 - [465] Originally by: Dex Malheart This will only push Hulks into high(er) sec. I note that the killboard does not show any Exhumers being destroyed in 0.8 and above, which I would guess means that they are relying on the slower Concord response times in 0.5 to 0.7 to successfully suicide gank the Hulks. Exhumer pilots will merely migrate to 0.8+ to mine. They can still be ganked there of course but not as easily or cheaply. I suppose people mining in Bantams in those systems will have to compete with Hulks for ore. As for the argument that they're merely attacking macro miners, that seems to be a very common excuse from the mouths of griefers when results show that legitimate miners are often the victims just as much if not more than macro miners. If you're going to be the bad guy, then be it, but don't make any pretensions about what you are and what you are doing. You just make yourself look like a liar and a bad one at that. Bantam pilots rejoice as those belts in 0.5 systems are now all yours! (Goonies will start ganking ospreys long before bantams are threatened) CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
HW Chopper NUTS in space Saints Amongst Sinners	Posted - 2008.02.29 04:25:00 - [466] What i would like to know is how many macros do the goons use?? with a alliance that size there are sure to be a few
Hippy Dave	Posted - 2008.02.29 04:30:00 - [467] Edited by: Hippy Dave on 29/02/2008 04:31:08 Christ on a bike can we all move on already.. some people killed some rich hulk pilots in high-sec.. hold the press, get it on the front page now, my god i cant believe the worlds media isnt reporting this as we speak.. Lordy lord just move system or start flying different ships or do something else till they get bored... its as if your lives depend on hulk mining. I must say im dissapointed at how much drama this has caused amongst the high sec dwellers, as a player who was around just after launch and left and has only just returned a month or so ago... well all i can say is if you think this is bad you should have seen some of the stuff people got away with in high sec back then..
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 04:35:00 - [468] Originally by: Gamer4liff Originally by: iIaiIaiIa Originally by: Hannobaal What exactly would that be? well tbqh you lost ur honour welp, looks like its time to pack it all up goonswarm, looks like you've lost "ur honour", how can you possibly go on? Our e-honor backbone!!!!!!
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.29 04:55:00 - [469] Originally by: Chelone Originally by: Gamesguy SWG failed because the devs changed the game completely without consulting the player base Kinda like Ambulation? rofl someone never players SWG lets make it simple for you, if eve went form what it is today and then replace all of the space combat with ambulation then yes. SWG replaced everything and deleted players characters because they took out classes.
Lindsay Fox Disciples of Comus	Posted - 2008.02.29 06:56:00 - [470] Today's RL political climate....today's reactionary media....idiots like jack thompson....a domain called 'jihadswarm' that is explicitly linked to eve and therefore CCP....ppl spamming local with quasi-religious crap.... I bet there's a lot of internal debate at CCP whether or not to take some serious action against the goons doing this. Will be interesting. I would think they are waiting to see if it dies off fairly quickly of it's own accord, and if not they will be throwing around the banhammer as if it's a game of whack-a-mole. Aside from that, the goon builder who wanted to see lots of hulks destroyed....I doubt this is going to do your business much good, the obvious way to not get killed is to not buy a hulk. Moron!
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.29 07:43:00 - [471] This video on you tube is relevant to this topic. Linkage ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.02.29 07:54:00 - [472] Originally by: AndrewRyan This video on you tube is relevant to this topic. Linkage Never gonna let you mine Enjoy your pod infidel swine
Coumarin principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.29 07:55:00 - [473] This is the best thing that has happened in a while.
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.29 07:56:00 - [474] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: AndrewRyan This video on you tube is relevant to this topic. Linkage Never gonna let you mine Enjoy your pod infidel swine I assume you think the reprocessing and distribution of terrorist propaganda is acceptable? ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
Dai Nau Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 08:03:00 - [475] I have killed more empire hulks than anyone in goonfleet hate on me please
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.02.29 08:07:00 - [476] Originally by: Dai Nau I have killed more empire hulks than anyone in goonfleet hate on me please I do not hate on you for killing hulks, I don't even hate on you for using the term Jihad, I extremely dislike this glorification of terrorist propaganda and I fear its impact on EVE in general and the appearance if reflects on the EVE community and CCP. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
TeufelsBeitrag Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.29 08:11:00 - [477] Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: Dai Nau I have killed more empire hulks than anyone in goonfleet hate on me please I do not hate on you for killing hulks, I don't even hate on you for using the term Jihad, I extremely dislike this glorification of terrorist propaganda and I fear its impact on EVE in general and the appearance if reflects on the EVE community and CCP. Terrorist propaganda is the best propaganda.
Dai Nau Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 08:18:00 - [478] Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: Dai Nau I have killed more empire hulks than anyone in goonfleet hate on me please I do not hate on you for killing hulks, I don't even hate on you for using the term Jihad, I extremely dislike this glorification of terrorist propaganda and I fear its impact on EVE in general and the appearance if reflects on the EVE community and CCP. allah demands that I take your life with my own ALLAH ACKBAR
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.29 08:21:00 - [479] Originally by: Dai Nau Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: Dai Nau I have killed more empire hulks than anyone in goonfleet hate on me please I do not hate on you for killing hulks, I don't even hate on you for using the term Jihad, I extremely dislike this glorification of terrorist propaganda and I fear its impact on EVE in general and the appearance if reflects on the EVE community and CCP. allah demands that I take your life with my own ALLAH ACKBAR The Internet is Serious Business!
Cyxopyc Wolfram Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.02.29 08:27:00 - [480] Best part of EVE are the Goonswarm threads. == Support fixing the EVE UI
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.02.29 08:42:00 - [481] Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: AndrewRyan This video on you tube is relevant to this topic. Linkage Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down I assume you think the reprocessing and distribution of terrorist propaganda is acceptable?
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics	Posted - 2008.02.29 09:11:00 - [482] Originally by: Dai Nau Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: Dai Nau I have killed more empire hulks than anyone in goonfleet hate on me please I do not hate on you for killing hulks, I don't even hate on you for using the term Jihad, I extremely dislike this glorification of terrorist propaganda and I fear its impact on EVE in general and the appearance if reflects on the EVE community and CCP. allah demands that I take your life with my own ALLAH ACKBAR If you are going to die out there for your 'God' killing hapless miners for your own amusement atleast get the war cry correctly, because its Allah Akhbar, which I found out in three seconds by looking up Google... ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.02.29 10:18:00 - [483] Originally by: Thenoran If you are going to die out there for your 'God' killing hapless miners for your own amusement atleast get the war cry correctly, because its Allah Akhbar, which I found out in three seconds by looking up Google... Did you know that the entire internet is composed of world champion spellers of the english language?
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.29 10:19:00 - [484] Edited by: Zeba on 29/02/2008 10:23:31 Originally by: Thenoran ALLAH ACKBAR If you are going to die out there for your 'God' killing hapless miners for your own amusement atleast get the war cry correctly, because its Allah Akhbar, which I found out in three seconds by looking up Google... And if you had taken 3 moar seconds you would have figured out what he meant was not 'God is Great' but 'GOD its a TRAP!!' Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Morberi	Posted - 2008.02.29 10:21:00 - [485] Edited by: Morberi on 29/02/2008 10:21:41 Too funny that people are actually taking the goons seriously. Did you know that your tears, whines, complaints make them more powerful? ALLAH ACKBAR Props to you goons for mixing things up a little bit and making things fun.
Dai Nau Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 11:17:00 - [486] Originally by: Morberi Edited by: Morberi on 29/02/2008 10:21:41 Too funny that people are actually taking the goons seriously. Did you know that your tears, whines, complaints make them more powerful? ALLAH ACKBAR Props to you goons for mixing things up a little bit and making things fun. your praise will not spare you. However if you would like to set up a rental agreement for a belt, you will receive mercy
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.29 12:01:00 - [487] Maybe its time CCP and other online entities start baning GS members? dunno maybe? CCP hello? Wakey wakey rise and shine... _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Bishop 5 Gallente The Flying Tigers STELLAR LEGION	Posted - 2008.02.29 12:33:00 - [488] Originally by: Dionisius Maybe its time CCP and other online entities start baning GS members? dunno maybe? CCP hello? Wakey wakey rise and shine... lol, , etc. Get a grip. ------------- meh
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 13:15:00 - [489] Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Dai Nau Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: Dai Nau I have killed more empire hulks than anyone in goonfleet hate on me please I do not hate on you for killing hulks, I don't even hate on you for using the term Jihad, I extremely dislike this glorification of terrorist propaganda and I fear its impact on EVE in general and the appearance if reflects on the EVE community and CCP. allah demands that I take your life with my own ALLAH ACKBAR If you are going to die out there for your 'God' killing hapless miners for your own amusement atleast get the war cry correctly, because its Allah Akhbar, which I found out in three seconds by looking up Google... Look at how dumb you look.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.29 13:32:00 - [490] Originally by: Bishop 5 Originally by: Dionisius Maybe its time CCP and other online entities start baning GS members? dunno maybe? CCP hello? Wakey wakey rise and shine... lol, , etc. Get a grip. Brain, do you use it? _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics	Posted - 2008.02.29 13:58:00 - [491] Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Bishop 5 Originally by: Dionisius Maybe its time CCP and other online entities start baning GS members? dunno maybe? CCP hello? Wakey wakey rise and shine... lol, , etc. Get a grip. Brain, do you use it? Do you even have (a working) one? ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
TeufelsBeitrag Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.29 14:07:00 - [492] Originally by: Dionisius Maybe its time CCP and other online entities start baning GS members? dunno maybe? CCP hello? Wakey wakey rise and shine... Banning for what?
Matrixcvd Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.29 14:13:00 - [493] ok OP is ambiguous, 18 pages of people arguing, anyone wanna tackle a quick summary to wtf is going on with this thread?
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.29 14:22:00 - [494] Originally by: TeufelsBeitrag Originally by: Dionisius Maybe its time CCP and other online entities start baning GS members? dunno maybe? CCP hello? Wakey wakey rise and shine... Banning for what? Have you seen the video posted on youtube? Do you have any ideia of the consequences that stupity of that kind may have? Some people just don't get it. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.02.29 14:23:00 - [495] Originally by: Matrixcvd ok OP is ambiguous, 18 pages of people arguing, anyone wanna tackle a quick summary to wtf is going on with this thread? 'Coagulating Idiocy' summarizes this thread accurately. -------- Ideas for: Mining Clouds
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.29 14:27:00 - [496] Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Bishop 5 Originally by: Dionisius Maybe its time CCP and other online entities start baning GS members? dunno maybe? CCP hello? Wakey wakey rise and shine... lol, , etc. Get a grip. Brain, do you use it? Do you even have (a working) one? A more capable one that you and your 5000 little ( very little ) friends will ever dream to have. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
TeufelsBeitrag Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.29 14:30:00 - [497] Originally by: Dionisius Have you seen the video posted on youtube? Do you have any ideia of the consequences that stupity of that kind may have? Some people just don't get it. Tell me about the consequences plz PS: The video was funny.
Quelque Chose Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.29 14:34:00 - [498] Edited by: Quelque Chose on 29/02/2008 14:34:52 Originally by: TeufelsBeitrag Tell me about the consequences plz PS: The video was funny. NSA/ DHS don't have a sense of humor, neither are they particularly "hip." Combine that with the tried and true "videogames r teh eViL" hoohah the US Congress likes to troll the electorate with plus popular hysteria/ suspicion about INTARWEB TERRISM and there's a small chance we'll see this get stupid. If I was a member of BoB and I really wanted to be a metagaming jerkhole I'd put in an anonymous tip. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
AltBier Minmatar Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.02.29 14:35:00 - [499] Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: TeufelsBeitrag Banning for what? Have you seen the video posted on youtube? Do you have any ideia of the consequences that stupity of that kind may have? Some people just don't get it. What consequences, exactly, are you talking about. Also, do you know what "TeufelsBeitrag" means, for example? I really see nothing uniquely bad about using the word Jihad.
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics	Posted - 2008.02.29 14:38:00 - [500] Edited by: Thenoran on 29/02/2008 14:38:58 Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Bishop 5 Originally by: Dionisius Maybe its time CCP and other online entities start baning GS members? dunno maybe? CCP hello? Wakey wakey rise and shine... lol, , etc. Get a grip. Brain, do you use it? Do you even have (a working) one? A more capable one that you and your 5000 little ( very little ) friends will ever dream to have. Because banning people from a game they may have played for years by trying something different will surely give a positive look on the world of EVE. I might not agree with their reasoning for destroying the Exhumers and I fly one myself, but constantly suiciding ships for anything but ISK is rather costly even with insurance so if they want to do that, fine. Adjust accordingly by watching local and aligning to a safe point/stargate/station. If you decide to try something weird, say trying to mine in a Caracal or something, would you want to be banned because you mine in the starting areas with it? ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.29 14:38:00 - [501] Originally by: TeufelsBeitrag Originally by: Dionisius Have you seen the video posted on youtube? Do you have any ideia of the consequences that stupity of that kind may have? Some people just don't get it. Tell me about the consequences plz PS: The video was funny. 5000 plus 1 obviously. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.29 14:48:00 - [502] Originally by: Thenoran Edited by: Thenoran on 29/02/2008 14:38:58 Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Bishop 5 Originally by: Dionisius Maybe its time CCP and other online entities start baning GS members? dunno maybe? CCP hello? Wakey wakey rise and shine... lol, , etc. Get a grip. Brain, do you use it? Do you even have (a working) one? A more capable one that you and your 5000 little ( very little ) friends will ever dream to have. Because banning people from a game they may have played for years by trying something different will surely give a positive look on the world of EVE. I might not agree with their reasoning for destroying the Exhumers and I fly one myself, but constantly suiciding ships for anything but ISK is rather costly even with insurance so if they want to do that, fine. Adjust accordingly by watching local and aligning to a safe point/stargate/station. If you decide to try something weird, say trying to mine in a Caracal or something, would you want to be banned because you mine in the starting areas with it? I don't care for the exhumers they can blow whatever number of exhumers they want, the video on the other side is stupid and there is always people that use that kind of stuff for even more stupid purposes. Thats my point, for you and me its just a dumb or funny video, for others its not. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
AltBier Minmatar Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.02.29 14:49:00 - [503] What IS your problem with the video? (BTW, isn't pyramid quoting a bannable offence now?)
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics	Posted - 2008.02.29 14:50:00 - [504] Originally by: AltBier What IS your problem with the video? (BTW, isn't pyramid quoting a bannable offence now?) Only if its intended by using the same quote over and over again instead of replying ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
AltBier Minmatar Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.02.29 14:52:00 - [505]
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.29 14:53:00 - [506] Originally by: AltBier What IS your problem with the video? (BTW, isn't pyramid quoting a bannable offence now?) Hi goon. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
TeufelsBeitrag Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.29 14:55:00 - [507] Edited by: TeufelsBeitrag on 29/02/2008 14:55:09 Originally by: Dionisius Thats my point, for you and me its just a dumb or funny video, for others its not. So someone who does or does not exist could be offended and could something vaguely bad for someone else because of it? Well thats a good point, for banning goons.
dropouthighschoolteacher	Posted - 2008.02.29 14:56:00 - [508] Originally by: Quelque Chose Edited by: Quelque Chose on 29/02/2008 14:34:52 Originally by: TeufelsBeitrag Tell me about the consequences plz PS: The video was funny. NSA/ DHS don't have a sense of humor, neither are they particularly "hip." Combine that with the tried and true "videogames r teh eViL" hoohah the US Congress likes to troll the electorate with plus popular hysteria/ suspicion about INTARWEB TERRISM and there's a small chance we'll see this get stupid. If I was a member of BoB and I really wanted to be a metagaming jerkhole I'd put in an anonymous tip. The NSA/DHS have a limited amount of money and time and as such they value their time and money which is why they would ignore tips about gamers with poor taste after doing minimal research. I'm sorry to disappoint you but national security agencies aren't the international internet decency police.
AltBier Minmatar Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.02.29 14:57:00 - [509] Edited by: AltBier on 29/02/2008 14:57:19 Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: AltBier What IS your problem with the video? (BTW, isn't pyramid quoting a bannable offence now?) Hi goon. LOL. Wrong. Try again. Please answer the question, it was a genuine query. What are you concerned might happen?
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2008.02.29 15:02:00 - [510] Originally by: dropouthighschoolteacher The NSA/DHS have a limited amount of money and time and as such they value their time and money which is why they would ignore tips about gamers with poor taste after doing minimal research. I'm sorry to disappoint you but national security agencies aren't the international internet decency police. the various security agencies are much dumber than you think
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.29 15:04:00 - [511] Originally by: AltBier Edited by: AltBier on 29/02/2008 14:57:19 Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: AltBier What IS your problem with the video? (BTW, isn't pyramid quoting a bannable offence now?) Hi goon. LOL. Wrong. Try again. Please answer the question, it was a genuine query. What are you concerned might happen? Why don't you people think for a second... _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Quelque Chose Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.29 15:04:00 - [512] Originally by: dropouthighschoolteacher The NSA/DHS have a limited amount of money and time and as such they value their time and money which is why they would ignore tips about gamers with poor taste after doing minimal research. I'm sorry to disappoint you but national security agencies aren't the international internet decency police. The NSA/DHS are great big bureaucracies and as such most certainly do NOT value time and money, at least not in any kind of way that makes sense to real people. You can feel free to think what you like about that but I've seen it in action. But don't take my word for it. Talk to 4chan about it or maybe ask that Canadian guy who famously ended up in Syria a couple of years ago. I'm certainly not saying something will definitely come of it, but I think you're underestimating government idiocy here by a pretty wide margin. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
AltBier Minmatar Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.02.29 15:07:00 - [513] Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: AltBier Please answer the question, it was a genuine query. What are you concerned might happen? Why don't you people think for a second... Are you afraid that the IRA will attack Iceland? There are a LOT of possible concerns I could think of, but I have no idea what YOU are concerned about.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 15:12:00 - [514] Come on people, get yourself a sense of humor and stop being idiots. (The video is hillarious.)
brainball GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 15:21:00 - [515] Its interesting to see people are actually thinking any sort of governement organisation will be interested in this. You guys are aware that the word "jihad" is an arabic word that means to struggle right? Hell if this is what sparks governement interest they should take a look at the use of the word "crusade" on this forum. Which essentially means the same thing.
AltBier Minmatar Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.02.29 15:28:00 - [516] Indeed.
Chirruper	Posted - 2008.02.29 15:38:00 - [517] Originally by: brainball Its interesting to see people are actually thinking any sort of governement organisation will be interested in this. You guys are aware that the word "jihad" is an arabic word that means to struggle right? Hell if this is what sparks governement interest they should take a look at the use of the word "crusade" on this forum. Which essentially means the same thing. Yep. Overreacting to everything is the new cool. Watch MTV and tell me I'm wrong.
Alekseyev Karrde Noir.	Posted - 2008.02.29 15:38:00 - [518] Dont get mad, get mercs
Primnproper	Posted - 2008.02.29 15:52:00 - [519] Edited by: Primnproper on 29/02/2008 15:52:58 Its not the word, its the way that they are deliberately imitating suicide bombers thats the problem, that and referancing a particular god (who has never been mentioned in any game literature) during your holy war against miners. The goons are well aware it is offensive and that is certainly one of the reasons why they find it funny. Also it may well be a violation of the ban policy... Quote: 3. HARASSMENT An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player: * a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-*, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies**. Then again i'm not suprised, the goons have always been your standard internet spanners after all.
Lil'Red Ridin'Hood Snake Assault	Posted - 2008.02.29 15:56:00 - [520] Originally by: brainball You guys are aware that the word "jihad" is an arabic word that means to struggle right? You are aware that "sieg heil" only means hail victory? You'd still associate it with something else than the words alone.
Jason Travers Space 1999	Posted - 2008.02.29 16:06:00 - [521] Well CCP will not do anything to stop the highsec ganking by GS or any others. So using their own tactics, I guess IÆll create an alt with only original skills and target only goons. That way IÆm out nothing. I also encourage everyone else in highsec to do the same. Band together or fleet up or run single. The target will be Goonswarm. No matter who they are or what ship they fly it they are Goonswarm they are open target.
Yashim Vask	Posted - 2008.02.29 16:07:00 - [522] Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon Originally by: IlIlIlI lIlIlIl Originally by: Postlatta Mouseanon I'm a 0.0 veteran who had to run back to empire with my tail between my legs Pretty sure I fixed that for you. Let me know if I'm wrong. You're wrong. postlatta mouseanon main was in NYIT Gangstas of Smash allianse for 3 months.this does not make you 0.0 veteran. let ME know if im wrong.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.29 16:13:00 - [523] Originally by: AltBier Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: AltBier Please answer the question, it was a genuine query. What are you concerned might happen? Why don't you people think for a second... Are you afraid that the IRA will attack Iceland? There are a LOT of possible concerns I could think of, but I have no idea what YOU are concerned about. For starters i play EvE, i don't want to be associated with goon stupidy, i don't want to be associated with the content of that video whatever the amount of people find it fun. CCP should be concerned goons are , i suppose , part of the comunity , for some cartoon, something way more innocent that this , threats were made a whole world of idiocy came down crying that it was disrespect this and that, threats etc etc and so forth. While i found th cartoon innocent i also understood the "other part" and for whatever it is worth i respected their wish on having the toons removed from publication. Now Youtube is a website with worldwide exposure, what you and me might find that clip funny ( actually i don't its stupid ), going in a simple logic, goons are bunch of players of EVE, video mixes Terrorists and goons playing EVE and smacking players in the game, the creator of Eve is... CCP. Got it so far? Nice. While to you and me this stuff is like transparent and we may not care, its CCP's image on the line, CCP is associated with White Wolf, an American Company right? I very much doubt if this video arrived to some WW personell that they would like this. I very much doubt CCP, in their right mind, approves this kind of stuff. And basicly thats it in a very very very short point of view. I find it interesting that supposed full grown people have this kind of behaviour behind the "security" of their screens. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
AltBier Minmatar Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.02.29 16:15:00 - [524] Originally by: Primnproper Its not the word, its the way that they are deliberately imitating suicide bombers thats the problem A huge number of players are emulating piracy. Is that not equally offensive to people in parts of the world where piracy is a real problem?
AltBier Minmatar Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.02.29 16:24:00 - [525] Edited by: AltBier on 29/02/2008 16:29:57 Originally by: Dionisius CCP should be concerned goons are , i suppose , part of the comunity , for some cartoon, something way more innocent that this , threats were made a whole world of idiocy came down crying that it was disrespect this and that, threats etc etc and so forth. Right, thank you for answering. If you are saying that such usage of phrases associated with islam are offensive to followers of islam then I would agree you have a valid point. As I've already said twice, though, is that there are many things that many people may find offensive in EVE (including piracy and cruise missiles). If you are saying we should fear those who would use real life violence and live our lives according to their threats (whoever that might be), I have to disagree with you.
TeufelsBeitrag Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.29 16:28:00 - [526] Originally by: Dionisius For starters i play EvE, i don't want to be associated with goon stupidy, i don't want to be associated with the content of that video whatever the amount of people find it fun. CCP should be concerned goons are , i suppose , part of the comunity , for some cartoon, something way more innocent that this , threats were made a whole world of idiocy came down crying that it was disrespect this and that, threats etc etc and so forth. While i found th cartoon innocent i also understood the "other part" and for whatever it is worth i respected their wish on having the toons removed from publication. Now Youtube is a website with worldwide exposure, what you and me might find that clip funny ( actually i don't its stupid ), going in a simple logic, goons are bunch of players of EVE, video mixes Terrorists and goons playing EVE and smacking players in the game, the creator of Eve is... CCP. Got it so far? Nice. While to you and me this stuff is like transparent and we may not care, its CCP's image on the line, CCP is associated with White Wolf, an American Company right? I very much doubt if this video arrived to some WW personell that they would like this. I very much doubt CCP, in their right mind, approves this kind of stuff. And basicly thats it in a very very very short point of view. I find it interesting that supposed full grown people have this kind of behaviour behind the "security" of their screens. You still have not said, what the consequences are. (You are a terrible poster.)
Primnproper	Posted - 2008.02.29 16:36:00 - [527] Originally by: AltBier Originally by: Primnproper Its not the word, its the way that they are deliberately imitating suicide bombers thats the problem A huge number of players are emulating piracy. Is that not equally offensive to people in parts of the world where piracy is a real problem? Ahh but when emulating piracy a large majority of players do not make referances to the current real world practice of piracy and if they did it would be in bad taste. In the same way when suicide ganking no one used to mention the current real world aspect of suicide bombing and of course the two are in fact very different as both the suicider and the victim are in fact immortal demi gods not just normal human beings and again to do so is in bad taste.
Primnproper	Posted - 2008.02.29 16:58:00 - [528] Originally by: AltBier You have a point, I guess. I just find it a bit too predictable (and quite tiresome) when some people get up in arms about someone shouting 'god is great' in arabic. As do I, but I do draw the line at shouting 'god is great' in arabic and then suiciding for the reasons I have already explained above.
AltBier Minmatar Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.02.29 17:04:00 - [529] It's not something I would do myself.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.29 17:08:00 - [530] If they want to be viewed as terrorists, let them. With all the positives and negatives. 1) Set them as -10 to every faction whose space they do this in and factions that are allied with those factions. 2) Deny docking rights to stations belonging to those factions. 3) Deny market useage in those factions' space. 4) Give the factions a chance to monitor trade from other characters that trade to them and put them at -10. 5) Faction navies pod if they blow them up. 6) No Concord response if a "private citizen" assists one of the faction navies in defending that faction's space There, risk and reward. You wish to be a terrorist and be known as one, be treated like one. Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.02.29 17:10:00 - [531] It's not something I would do either, however I wouldn't turn around with such self righteous fury and demand CCP do something to stop them. It's a game, get over yourselves!
Dethra Minmatar Dead Hooker Industries G Thanks Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.29 17:13:00 - [532] If you think goons feel its a game, ask them about "4/29" lol. _______________________________ There is no signature.
Shayleigh Snowflower Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.29 17:19:00 - [533] Edited by: Shayleigh Snowflower on 29/02/2008 17:19:42 Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby If they want to be viewed as terrorists, let them. With all the positives and negatives. 1) Set them as -10 to every faction whose space they do this in and factions that are allied with those factions. 2) Deny docking rights to stations belonging to those factions. 3) Deny market useage in those factions' space. 4) Give the factions a chance to monitor trade from other characters that trade to them and put them at -10. 5) Faction navies pod if they blow them up. 6) No Concord response if a "private citizen" assists one of the faction navies in defending that faction's space There, risk and reward. You wish to be a terrorist and be known as one, be treated like one. And you think it is in caldari navy space's interest what independant pod pilots do to eachother in space, ehh? Moron: --- wall of text from : http://www.eve-online.com/races/Caldari.asp -- Caldari A state built on corporate capitalism, the Caldari State is run by a few mega-corporations which divide the state between them, controlling and ruling every aspect of society. Each corporation is made up of thousands of smaller companies, ranging from industrial companies to law firms. All land and real estate is owned by a company which leases it to the citizens, and government and policing are also handled by independent companies. Although this gives the corporations dictatorial powers, they are just as bound by Caldari customs and laws as the individual, and the fierce, continual competition between the corporations ensures a healthy, consumer-based social environment, which benefits everyone. While the Caldari State may not be nearly as big as that of the Gallenteans, let alone the Amarrians, they are still universally feared and admired. Their economy is strong, and their military might parallel to that of the larger empires. Coupled to the fact that they are more unscrupulous than the Gallenteans and more combative than the Amarrians, this makes them in many ways the most meddlesome of all the empires. As most Caldari trade is conducted by individual companies rather than the State itself, this makes it difficult for the other empires to deal with them at a political level. If a company is found guilty of unethical business dealings, it simply disappears into its parent corporation, and before long another one appears to take its place. But if a Caldari company is threatened, the whole corporation and often the whole State backs it up with full force. Caldari society is steeped in military tradition. As a people, its members had to fight a long and bloody war to gain their independence, and even had to surrender their home planet to their hated enemies, the Gallenteans. It was at this time that the corporations established themselves as the driving force behind creating and maintaining the new Caldari State. Even if the Caldari have not engaged in war for many decades, they still strive to be at the cutting edge of military technology and their vessels, weapons and fighting methods are inferior to none but the enigmatic Jovians. To curb their aggressive tendencies, the Caldari actively pursue and sponsor a range of sporting activities. Many of these are bloody, gladiatorial-like competitions, while others are more like races. But whatever the sport, the Caldari love betting on the outcome, making gambling a massive industry in the State. The Caldari State offers its citizens the best and the worst in living conditions. As long as you keep in line, do your job, uphold the laws and so forth, life can be fairly pleasant and productive. But for those who are not cut out for this strict, disciplined regime life quickly becomes intolerable. They lose their respect, family, status, everything, and the only options left to them are suicide or exile. Although not xenophobic as such, the Caldari are very protective of their way of life and tolerate only those foreigners that stick to the r
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.02.29 17:23:00 - [534] Quote: Dont get mad, get macros Fixed!
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.29 17:30:00 - [535] Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 29/02/2008 17:30:14 Quote: The Caldari State offers its citizens the best and the worst in living conditions. As long as you keep in line, do your job, uphold the laws and so forth, life can be fairly pleasant and productive. But for those who are not cut out for this strict, disciplined regime life quickly becomes intolerable. They lose their respect, family, status, everything, and the only options left to them are suicide or exile. Although not xenophobic as such, the Caldari are very protective of their way of life and tolerate only those foreigners that stick to the rules Somehow I doubt that the Caldari state views proclaiming yourself a terrorist, constantly attacking Citizens, interfering with the profits of Caldari companies and hurting the bottom line "sticking to the rules". Enemies of the State, even self-proclaimed ones, shouldn't be tolerated by the state. Incidently, no comment on how the Gals would view this? Somehow I doubt constant suiciding and terrorism represents other players' personal freedoms..... By the way, its obvious you haven't done many missions lately. A decent quantity of them send you against "terrorists"...... Moron Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.29 17:43:00 - [536] Originally by: TeufelsBeitrag Originally by: Dionisius For starters i play EvE, i don't want to be associated with goon stupidy, i don't want to be associated with the content of that video whatever the amount of people find it fun. CCP should be concerned goons are , i suppose , part of the comunity , for some cartoon, something way more innocent that this , threats were made a whole world of idiocy came down crying that it was disrespect this and that, threats etc etc and so forth. While i found th cartoon innocent i also understood the "other part" and for whatever it is worth i respected their wish on having the toons removed from publication. Now Youtube is a website with worldwide exposure, what you and me might find that clip funny ( actually i don't its stupid ), going in a simple logic, goons are bunch of players of EVE, video mixes Terrorists and goons playing EVE and smacking players in the game, the creator of Eve is... CCP. Got it so far? Nice. While to you and me this stuff is like transparent and we may not care, its CCP's image on the line, CCP is associated with White Wolf, an American Company right? I very much doubt if this video arrived to some WW personell that they would like this. I very much doubt CCP, in their right mind, approves this kind of stuff. And basicly thats it in a very very very short point of view. I find it interesting that supposed full grown people have this kind of behaviour behind the "security" of their screens. You still have not said, what the consequences are. (You are a terrible poster.) The consequences are me treating you like a less than 5 yo child and thinking that you are a bit silly just that. ( I may be a terrible poster, goons use that expression often, but you are still worst than me. ) _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Chirruper	Posted - 2008.02.29 17:49:00 - [537] Even if the GoonSwarm references offend you, it goes completely against the spirit of EvE to beg CCP to do something. The tools are quite clearly there for people to retaliate. Several alliances could band together, form even larger numbers, and cripple their operations. . . but that would be assuming more people care than a handful of knee-jerk forum whiners.
TeufelsBeitrag Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.29 17:50:00 - [538] Edited by: TeufelsBeitrag on 29/02/2008 17:51:01 @Dionisius That was mean. So you warn me about the consequences, but dont say what they are, not counting "people wont like it"?
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar V i r u s	Posted - 2008.02.29 17:53:00 - [539] Don't worry. When this starts to cut into the profits of CCP they will kill it faster then you can say "Privateers". --------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.29 17:58:00 - [540] Originally by: TeufelsBeitrag Edited by: TeufelsBeitrag on 29/02/2008 17:51:01 @Dionisius That was mean. So you warn me about the consequences, but dont say what they are, not counting "people wont like it"? I'm not going to be nice if you joke about something that is serious, the game isn't serious business, bringin RL terrorist content into it, thats a bit more serious. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.29 18:02:00 - [541] Anaalys Fluuterby, I will grant you the post above by Shayleigh Snowflower actually did more (IMHO) to support your point then to refute ità as you pointed out, the Caldari would be right miffed at anything that lowers their profitsà Gallente would (again in my opinion) follow the Caldari actions, but claim them as itÆs own (We did it first, the Caldari just stole the idea from us) as the citizens would not be happy and would want the federation to both fight back and allow them to fight backà As Terrorists tend to be Religious in nature (the Tamil Tigers are an exception as I understand it) I suspect the Minmatar would also raise a force to fight the terrorist threatà they remind them of the Amarr... But the Amarrà the Amarr, may speak against such attacks, but as fellow believers, I suspect they would support them behind the scenesà then again, being allied with the Caldari, the Amarr may follow suite just to keep up the illusion of supportà but I doubt their support of the actions against the terrorists would be more then lip service... --------*****-------- It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.29 18:37:00 - [542] you guys do know there is alliance in the tournament RIGHT NOW that does nothing but hit miners in high sec? their alliance name says it all. and they have been doing it for a while. I would say goonswarm currently does maybe half of the high sec mining ganking. you guys are talking about this like it hasn't been happening for the past year and that NOW it's going to affect player numbers.
Primnproper	Posted - 2008.02.29 18:56:00 - [543] I think its more the things they're saying rather than what they're doing that people are complaining about.... Personally i have no problem at all with suicide ganking.
AltBier Minmatar Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.02.29 19:06:00 - [544] Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Somehow I doubt that the Caldari state views proclaiming yourself a terrorist, constantly attacking Citizens, interfering with the profits of Caldari companies and hurting the bottom line "sticking to the rules". Enemies of the State, even self-proclaimed ones, shouldn't be tolerated by the state. Of course, the terrorists are always those whom the state has a problem with - otherwise they are called freedom fighters.
Halafian Amarr Friendship Society	Posted - 2008.02.29 19:18:00 - [545] I don't care about suicide ganks that much, but the insurance system shouldn't fund it. Anyone killed by Concord should get nothing back from insurance, and probably should take a security rating hit. Gank away, but it's bad game design that people can do stuff like this without any real consequence. ----- Need Frequency Crystals? Halafian's Frequency Crystal Emporium is your one-stop shop! Now with T2!
Xaen Caldari Caritas.	Posted - 2008.02.29 19:26:00 - [546] Originally by: Sekhmet Orion Originally by: AndrewRyan And as for the goons claiming it to be just Hulks check this one out from the front page of thier KB:- 2008.02.27 20:23:00 Victim: XXXXXX Alliance: NONE Corp: School of Applied Knowledge Destroyed: Bantam System: Allamotte Security: 0.6 Damage Taken: 742 Thats a funny looking Hulk......... OMG they killed Kenny A Bantam died, oh lord the humanity. Love this thread - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Eva Marie	Posted - 2008.02.29 19:33:00 - [547] Edited by: Eva Marie on 29/02/2008 19:35:44 This is one of the many petitions posted at this moment: -------------- I will contact the mods through email as advised by you. There are a couple of issues I would like to petition since I have this one opened. 1) Faster Standing Loss: It is the consensus that even though high security space is not completely "safe", at least it should not be easy for suicide attackers to recover fast. Standing loss for these unscrupulous people should be progressive (every standing loss should be higher than the last one). In fact, it would be ideal that three Concord violations should put anyone out into low security space, where alike players mingle. 2) No Insurance Payout for Suicide Attackers: Even though it might be within game rules, any person who commits a crime and Concord intervenes shall not receive any insurance payout. This kind of behavior borders on exploitation of the system you implemented and deemed fair. However, the reality is that people are abusing the system and a proper rectification should be provided. 3) Extended Jump-Clone Delay for Criminals: If a character has had a recent standing loss with Concord (let's say 1 week), their jump-clone delay should be higher. Currently, once attackers reach a low enough standing with Concord, they are free to jump to a clone stationed in low security space. Their ability to run away from Empire Space is not limited by anything at this moment, besides their initial 24 hours delay. Therefore a more comprehensive system where recent criminal acts actually affect the delay time their jump-clone is available would even out the current situation. 4) Update Harassment Policies: The recent massive acts of aggression to peaceful players in high security space has brought upon a new set of problems. What really is consider harassment? Some people feel harassed when we have disrespectful players in local shouting religious chants. Also when we are sent evemails with those chants such as: "Jihad, Kill the Infidels!!!", over and over again. Now everyone is EVE takes Religious Harassment lightly, and it should not be taken lightly specially by those people who have been directly affected by Real Life situations caused by the so called "Jihad". I think it is a sour joke that only those intellectually disable who can't fully understand the real consequences words can convey, can get a laugh at. Not everyone in eve feels comfortable enough to PvP. And even though this is a sandbox environment, it should also allow people who aren't fond of PvPing to go by their business without being forced to do so. There are many other activities that those who don't dwell in low security space perform, among other: Trading, Industry, Mission Running and even helping new players. If Empire Space becomes an extension of 0.0 Space as obviously intended by GoonFleet and members of some Alliances, then new players won't feel compelled to stay in the game and discover the many other activities EVE provides. This could reduce customer base growth directly, and that's something no one wants. By making Pirating less punishable and allowing an increasing Alliance influence in high security space, we are only inviting chaos. As I have stated previously in my opening petition post, other games such as GTA and True Crime has been under fire because of their improper use and correlation to suicide bombings and other terrorist acts simulation. It is unfair for both, our eve community base and also the development team to be pin-pointed because of some players who wanted to get a good laugh. It is irresponsible and borderline ridiculous to have an in-game situation get out of control and bring upon us real life negative consequences who none of us want.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.02.29 19:50:00 - [548] Originally by: Chirruper Even if the GoonSwarm references offend you, it goes completely against the spirit of EvE to beg CCP to do something. The tools are quite clearly there for people to retaliate. Several alliances could band together, form even larger numbers, and cripple their operations. . . but that would be assuming more people care than a handful of knee-jerk forum whiners. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? It is an old tradition in EVE that when you encounter things in the game that you can't overcome without risk or work, you run screaming, cursing, crying, raging and threatening to the forums! Titans, low-sec mommyships, privateers, can thieves etc. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
AltBier Minmatar Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.02.29 20:26:00 - [549] Originally by: Eva Marie Now everyone is EVE takes Religious Harassment lightly, and it should not be taken lightly specially by those people who have been directly affected by Real Life situations caused by the so called "Jihad". I think it is a sour joke that only those intellectually disable who can't fully understand the real consequences words can convey, can get a laugh at. What about those people who have been directly affected by Real Life situations caused by the so called "Cruise Missiles" ? I'm totally serious here: Leave the so-called 'War On Terror' at home when you come to play EVE.
Star Dagger Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.29 20:30:00 - [550] Greetings, If those of you who are offended by the real world implications, I would offer this : Part of a terror campaigns success is measured in how much you effect the actions and language of the enemy. Frankly I do my best to offend those who would practice intolerance, these are people who need offending. As far as the NSA and other Intel agencies, I dont think they will take action since they are run by Goons! And lastly, people complain that nothing happens in EVE, and here we have a group of people stirring things up. I certainly think the efforts of those who find the JihadSwarm offensive, should either coordinate an effort to stop or just sit back and watch. Whining on the Forum is just weak and laughable. Yours in Military Plasma, Star*Dagger
Luh Windan	Posted - 2008.02.29 20:42:00 - [551] Edited by: Luh Windan on 29/02/2008 20:43:21 Originally by: Eva Marie 4) Update Harassment Policies: The recent massive acts of aggression to peaceful players in high security space has brought upon a new set of problems. What really is consider harassment? Some people feel harassed when we have disrespectful players in local shouting religious chants. Also when we are sent evemails with those chants such as: "Jihad, Kill the Infidels!!!", over and over again. Now everyone is EVE takes Religious Harassment lightly, and it should not be taken lightly specially by those people who have been directly affected by Real Life situations caused by the so called "Jihad". I think it is a sour joke that only those intellectually disable who can't fully understand the real consequences words can convey, can get a laugh at. Not everyone in eve feels comfortable enough to PvP. And even though this is a sandbox environment, it should also allow people who aren't fond of PvPing to go by their business without being forced to do so. There are many other activities that those who don't dwell in low security space perform, among other: Trading, Industry, Mission Running and even helping new players. If Empire Space becomes an extension of 0.0 Space as obviously intended by GoonFleet and members of some Alliances, then new players won't feel compelled to stay in the game and discover the many other activities EVE provides. This could reduce customer base growth directly, and that's something no one wants. By making Pirating less punishable and allowing an increasing Alliance influence in high security space, we are only inviting chaos. As I have stated previously in my opening petition post, other games such as GTA and True Crime has been under fire because of their improper use and correlation to suicide bombings and other terrorist acts simulation. It is unfair for both, our eve community base and also the development team to be pin-pointed because of some players who wanted to get a good laugh. It is irresponsible and borderline ridiculous to have an in-game situation get out of control and bring upon us real life negative consequences who none of us want. Now here is something I do find offensive with its desire to have your views and opinions inflicted in me in game. I do not want any part of this attempt to make the language of terror taboo (and therefore somehow sacred) - people should be free to satirize (no matter how childishly) and repurpose it. Neither do I want any part of your plans to sanitize and make the game easier for your way of playing. From the very start we are told - Eve is a dangerous place, Don't fly something you can't afford to lose etc. etc. That is what attracted me to the game (and at the moment I would be characterized as an empire based carebear) I sincerely hope you are ignored.
Ioci Gallente Ioci Exploration	Posted - 2008.02.29 20:43:00 - [552] All this 'outrage' about the Goonfleets use of rhetoric might have a little more meaning if I hadn't just done a mission where the 'terrorists' screamed in local in green font "get the infidels". If I had seen outrage way back when that content got added it might have some depth. As such, it's still about goonfleet invading safe and making everyone miserable. That's fine. Say it like it is. Just don't pretend to be offended to get your own way. Sorry, that's BS. I'm not a fan of forced PvP any more than the next guy but I have come to see Eve for what it is. Forced PvP. I play knowing that. But the last time I checked, you get the same ore in.7 that you get in .5 and aside from maybe the size of the rocks, nothing says you must mine in .5 and risk concord not shoing up in time. Nothing says you can't dedicate a few slots to resists and lower volumes, make a few more trips. Adaptability is crucial in Eve or any game. Want some cheese with that?
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.29 20:56:00 - [553] Originally by: Ioci All this 'outrage' about the Goonfleets use of rhetoric might have a little more meaning if I hadn't just done a mission where the 'terrorists' screamed in local in green font "get the infidels". If I had seen outrage way back when that content got added it might have some depth. As such, it's still about goonfleet invading safe and making everyone miserable. That's fine. Say it like it is. Just don't pretend to be offended to get your own way. Sorry, that's BS. I'm not a fan of forced PvP any more than the next guy but I have come to see Eve for what it is. Forced PvP. I play knowing that. But the last time I checked, you get the same ore in.7 that you get in .5 and aside from maybe the size of the rocks, nothing says you must mine in .5 and risk concord not shoing up in time. Nothing says you can't dedicate a few slots to resists and lower volumes, make a few more trips. Adaptability is crucial in Eve or any game. Want some cheese with that? best post in thread. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.29 20:57:00 - [554] And the thread has finaly devolved into a COAD style' e-peen fest. Good job you Muppets. Petition to move thread to CAOD plz. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Jdestars Stars Research systems Incorporation	Posted - 2008.02.29 20:59:00 - [555] Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby If they want to be viewed as terrorists, let them. With all the positives and negatives. 1) Set them as -10 to every faction whose space they do this in and factions that are allied with those factions. 2) Deny docking rights to stations belonging to those factions. 3) Deny market useage in those factions' space. 4) Give the factions a chance to monitor trade from other characters that trade to them and put them at -10. 5) Faction navies pod if they blow them up. 6) No Concord response if a "private citizen" assists one of the faction navies in defending that faction's space There, risk and reward. You wish to be a terrorist and be known as one, be treated like one. For alliance Standing and each corporate standing member to prevent a new alliance creation and a new blank standing :)
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.29 21:05:00 - [556] Originally by: Ioci All this 'outrage' about the Goonfleets use of rhetoric might have a little more meaning if I hadn't just done a mission where the 'terrorists' screamed in local in green font "get the infidels". Who sent you on that mission? Oh, the faction you are working for.... So why are they sending YOU against "terrorists" in missions but purposely allowing PC "Terrorists", who have proclaimed themselves such, to exist peacefully in thier space? Sounds like a great opportunity to test factional warfare; set this group against the other factions and see how it works out. Give any players who align with those factions shoot rights in their faction's space against these so-called terrorists. Deny docking rights to them since they are literally at war with the faction. Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
Sleazy P	Posted - 2008.02.29 21:23:00 - [557] Eve Marie you make a couple of minor points surrounded in complete BS. Quote: 1) Faster Standing Loss: No, completely unnecessary. Quote: 2) No Insurance Payout for Suicide Attackers: This is one of your only good points. This has been suggested elsewhere many times however. Quote: 3) Extended Jump-Clone Delay for Criminals: No. This only serves to needlessly punish people that you have beef against. This is not something that needs to be done to fix any problems in game, this is merely suggested by you as a punishment because you are angry. Quote: 4) Update Harassment Policies: Local chat can be ignored. If you are getting email spams then yes this becomes harassment so submit your petition and move on. Quote: Not everyone in eve feels comfortable enough to PvP. And even though this is a sandbox environment, it should also allow people who aren't fond of PvPing to go by their business without being forced to do so. Wrong game. This is Eve where if you are not fond of PvP you need to look elsewhere. There are no safezones aside from docked. Quote: As I have stated previously in my opening petition post, other games such as GTA and True Crime has been under fire because of their improper use and correlation to suicide bombings and other terrorist acts simulation. As I asked you before in your previous locked threads. Who are you ? Jack Thompson ? Just because they have come under fire doesn't mean a bad thing. GTA has probably done better financially because of all the exposure it has gotten.
Elecktra Blue Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 22:02:00 - [558] I do not see why everyone is making such a big deal out of this. If you do not want it to happen to you, simply do not go out into the belts and profit from mining in our holy belts. I think its a sad state of affairs when half of high sec is crying about what is happening and screaming for CCP to manage daily activities of a group of people. I think out of all these posts by various people the best idea so far is that, the only time you are safe is when you are docked, and notice at the undocking sign is hazard yellow and black. Once you load up that pixelated space its all out in the open, and internet spaceships will and more than likely kill you in some form or another, albeit a screaming fanatic as your exhumer/mining barge/ or cruiser is torn asunder. Oh and the infidels will perish at the hands of Us!
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics	Posted - 2008.02.29 22:31:00 - [559] Originally by: Elecktra Blue simply do not go out into the belts and profit from mining in our holy belts. Right...because you own the Galaxy and stuff...get a grip ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 22:32:00 - [560] Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Elecktra Blue simply do not go out into the belts and profit from mining in our holy belts. Right...because you own the Galaxy and stuff...get a grip well yea you could always pay the protection money. Or mine in a T1 mining barge.
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics	Posted - 2008.02.29 22:34:00 - [561] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Elecktra Blue simply do not go out into the belts and profit from mining in our holy belts. Right...because you own the Galaxy and stuff...get a grip well yea you could always pay the protection money. Or mine in a T1 mining barge. So you'll destroy Cruisers, Bantams, Mackinaws and Hulks but leave the Covetors and Retrievers alone? I rather doubt it. ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 22:35:00 - [562] For everyone that quits, five more newbees join through a GS recruitment drive. Soon every belt in empire space will be buzzing with the sound of bees. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics	Posted - 2008.02.29 22:48:00 - [563] Originally by: An Anarchyyt For everyone that quits, five more newbees join through a GS recruitment drive. Soon every belt in empire space will be buzzing with the sound of bees. I'll greet them in my mining Rokh ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 22:49:00 - [564] Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Elecktra Blue simply do not go out into the belts and profit from mining in our holy belts. Right...because you own the Galaxy and stuff...get a grip well yea you could always pay the protection money. Or mine in a T1 mining barge. So you'll destroy Cruisers, Bantams, Mackinaws and Hulks but leave the Covetors and Retrievers alone? I rather doubt it. Yea the newbee's aren't supposed to be killing the batams or osperys i dunno what's going on there.
Shayleigh Snowflower Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.29 22:51:00 - [565] Originally by: Hamfast Anaalys Fluuterby, I will grant you the post above by Shayleigh Snowflower actually did more (IMHO) to support your point then to refute ità as you pointed out, the Caldari would be right miffed at anything that lowers their profitsà Gallente would (again in my opinion) follow the Caldari actions, but claim them as itÆs own (We did it first, the Caldari just stole the idea from us) as the citizens would not be happy and would want the federation to both fight back and allow them to fight backà As Terrorists tend to be Religious in nature (the Tamil Tigers are an exception as I understand it) I suspect the Minmatar would also raise a force to fight the terrorist threatà they remind them of the Amarr... But the Amarrà the Amarr, may speak against such attacks, but as fellow believers, I suspect they would support them behind the scenesà then again, being allied with the Caldari, the Amarr may follow suite just to keep up the illusion of supportà but I doubt their support of the actions against the terrorists would be more then lip service... I do not believe Goonswarm have killed any Caldari constructed ships in numbers. Some of our members have killed a number of ORE faction design ships. These ships compete against the mighty Osprey mining vessel. The jihadswarm does nothing but further caldari ship design.
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics	Posted - 2008.02.29 22:52:00 - [566] Originally by: Shayleigh Snowflower Originally by: Hamfast Anaalys Fluuterby, I will grant you the post above by Shayleigh Snowflower actually did more (IMHO) to support your point then to refute ità as you pointed out, the Caldari would be right miffed at anything that lowers their profitsà Gallente would (again in my opinion) follow the Caldari actions, but claim them as itÆs own (We did it first, the Caldari just stole the idea from us) as the citizens would not be happy and would want the federation to both fight back and allow them to fight backà As Terrorists tend to be Religious in nature (the Tamil Tigers are an exception as I understand it) I suspect the Minmatar would also raise a force to fight the terrorist threatà they remind them of the Amarr... But the Amarrà the Amarr, may speak against such attacks, but as fellow believers, I suspect they would support them behind the scenesà then again, being allied with the Caldari, the Amarr may follow suite just to keep up the illusion of supportà but I doubt their support of the actions against the terrorists would be more then lip service... I do not believe Goonswarm have killed any Caldari constructed ships in numbers. Some of our members have killed a number of ORE faction design ships. These ships compete against the mighty Osprey mining vessel. The jihadswarm does nothing but further caldari ship design. Oh good, maybe they'll leave my Rokh alone then ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
poppieface	Posted - 2008.02.29 23:07:00 - [567] Edited by: poppieface on 29/02/2008 23:08:26 Edited by: poppieface on 29/02/2008 23:08:03 Quote: Eva Maries Moronic Rambling It is overly-emotional people like YOU who point fingers at games like GTA and say this or that is offensive - which results in diluting content and ruining the game for people who do not find it offensive. It is a game - people are going to enjoy it to the fullest extent. By pointing fingers at Goonswarm and petitioning things like this, you are no more guilty than they are for trying to ruin the game for others. So, what if I yell "Crusade!" "Crusade!" ? After all, that is what Jihad pretty much means, but "Crusade" doesnt offend you does it? - Hypocrite
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.29 23:13:00 - [568] Originally by: Shayleigh Snowflower Originally by: Hamfast Anaalys Fluuterby, I will grant you the post above by Shayleigh Snowflower actually did more (IMHO) to support your point then to refute ità as you pointed out, the Caldari would be right miffed at anything that lowers their profitsà Gallente would (again in my opinion) follow the Caldari actions, but claim them as itÆs own (We did it first, the Caldari just stole the idea from us) as the citizens would not be happy and would want the federation to both fight back and allow them to fight backà As Terrorists tend to be Religious in nature (the Tamil Tigers are an exception as I understand it) I suspect the Minmatar would also raise a force to fight the terrorist threatà they remind them of the Amarr... But the Amarrà the Amarr, may speak against such attacks, but as fellow believers, I suspect they would support them behind the scenesà then again, being allied with the Caldari, the Amarr may follow suite just to keep up the illusion of supportà but I doubt their support of the actions against the terrorists would be more then lip service... I do not believe Goonswarm have killed any Caldari constructed ships in numbers. Some of our members have killed a number of ORE faction design ships. These ships compete against the mighty Osprey mining vessel. The jihadswarm does nothing but further caldari ship design. But as you can see, I am Gallente, and the Gallente Federation, who are allied with the Ore Faction... Thus I am in fact looking for the Gallente Federation Navy to take up the call and go to war with these terrorists... I would not really have expected the Mega Corps of the Caldari to even take notice of this unless and until it starts eating into their bottom line, and that would take a lot more of a concerted effort then the Goons are able or willing to carry out, but I expect better from the Gallente and Minmatar (I expect nothing but mindless drivel from the Amarr) --------*****-------- It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face.
Robinete Broadhead Minmatar	Posted - 2008.02.29 23:47:00 - [569] I'm not going to waste my time readinbg this. I just think Goon dip-stick is the new BoB. So bite me! By the way Jihad is just as offensive to me as banning the 4Ss was for that group last year. Wake up CCP equal treatment for all. Bann Goon Dip-Stick from this junk. Yes, I am an ALT in a NOOB Corp.
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2008.02.29 23:55:00 - [570] /me supports this goon op. Almost makes me want to join for a while =p ------------------------------------------------ Movie: + Trillion ISK damage to Care Bear community
Vagablonde Minmatar Ouruboros Trading	Posted - 2008.03.01 00:10:00 - [571] goons are pretty chill brosefs imhotbqh ________________ the way back home is always long, but if you're close to me i'm holding on.
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.03.01 00:24:00 - [572] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Yea the newbee's aren't supposed to be killing the batams or osperys i dunno what's going on there. Mothermoons goon alt detected. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.01 00:28:00 - [573] Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 01/03/2008 00:28:02 Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: Aprudena Gist Yea the newbee's aren't supposed to be killing the batams or osperys i dunno what's going on there. Mothermoons goon alt detected. heh nope try again. i'm not an alt this is a main.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.01 00:30:00 - [574] Goons aren't on a rampage... if the entire swarm went on a highsec ramp.... woah Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.01 00:33:00 - [575] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Goons aren't on a rampage... if the entire swarm went on a highsec ramp.... woah it would be funny but sec status runs out quite quickly.
eveflame Minmatar eveflame Corp	Posted - 2008.03.01 00:35:00 - [576] this is the facts Goons will cheat there way and do anything they want with out no prob from ccp due to the fact that a gm is either in there alliance or is helping them in some way. To make my point look at the exploits that the goons have use in the past to get space. They crashed nodes, then got back in first before anyone else could. So this is the facts goons will cheat, lie, and steal they way through this game just to make them selfs feel good. BTW guys ccp will not respond to this thread due to the fact that it is there buddy's that are being attacked on the forums. Now the goons are trying to exploit the market and raise the price on everything so that they can make more isk and to make more on hulks and macks. Just to win the war on bob, well if that is the "plan" goons your a more stupid that i thought...... And yes goons I'm a jita setter to, i set in jita dock and the major station so come find me i really don't care.
Sleazy P	Posted - 2008.03.01 00:39:00 - [577] Someone needs to learn the definition of the words cheat and exploit instead of just making up their own arbitrary meanings.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.01 01:16:00 - [578] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 01/03/2008 01:16:56 Originally by: eveflame THESE ARE the facts Goons will cheat THEIR way and do anything they want with out ANY PROBLEM from ccp due to the fact that a gm is either in THEIR alliance or is helping them in some way. To make my point, look at the exploits that the goons have USED in the past to get space. They crashed nodes, then got back in first before anyone else could. So THESE ARE the facts goons will cheat, lie, and steal THEIR way through this game just to make THEMSELVES feel good. BTW guys, ccp will not respond to this thread due to the fact that it is THEIR BUDDIES that are being attacked on the forums. Now the goons are trying to exploit the market and raise the price on everything so that they can make more isk and to make more on hulks and macks. Just to win the war on bob, well if that is the "plan" goons, YOU'RE more stupid THAN i thought...... And yes goons, I'm a jita setter to, i SIT in jita dock and the major station so come find me i really don't care. Fixed... before you go calling people stupid, take a 2 week course in grammar Your punctuation needs some attention too, but I don't have all day And you never heard of the T20 incident, huh? Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
Aya The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.01 01:26:00 - [579] Edited by: Aya on 01/03/2008 01:26:25 R.I.P. goon martyr http://tri.exanimo.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=103831
Tobin Shalim Vulcan Foundry	Posted - 2008.03.01 01:28:00 - [580] Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Elecktra Blue simply do not go out into the belts and profit from mining in our holy belts. Right...because you own the Galaxy and stuff...get a grip Goons own all of Empire, you just don't know it yet.
DaveW Caldari South Park Development	Posted - 2008.03.01 01:40:00 - [581] I don't give a Rats DerriFre what the Goon's do one way or the other, but is it so hard to goto a remote system, Warp Align your miner and watch Local? --------------------------------------------------- "If you can't stand the heat..., stay out of the Kitchen."
Alanee'a Unakarakta	Posted - 2008.03.01 01:55:00 - [582] this thread is the most useless piece of poo ever. trolls, hippocrates and pointless debate. ccp please, bring back moderation to this god forsaken board. who gives a damn if they suicide few hulks, the price of hulks hasn't gone up a bit. the conversation is non excistent. accusements are baseless. facts are made up. there's no entertainment value. just whining back and forth. "you're a douche" "no you are" "no YOU are" "no YOU'RE the douche" etc. this is more retarted than wow forums, and those are pretty effin retarted. only thing good in this is that it's not about alliance whoring, capital ship shaggin, pointless, endless POS shootage. god damn, get a grip. -ala ------------------ - - - -_^ send me eve-related links, and make ISK'ies @ www.unakarakta.info www.3v3-online.com
Sekhmet Orion Mandatory Suicide Incorporated	Posted - 2008.03.01 02:09:00 - [583] Originally by: eveflame random flame brought to you by a character called eveflame HAs to be a goon alt, everything you list in the badly worded paragraph have all been accusations leveled at BOB The 1 fact you missed out was that only BOB were ever caught cheating...but I guess you knew that. He who controls Hulk prices, controls the galaxy..yes it's so obvious
Alanee'a Unakarakta	Posted - 2008.03.01 02:19:00 - [584] any decent carebear corp makes their own hulks. im pretty sure that the sec stat becomes a problem before the minerals run out. ------------------ - - - -_^ send me eve-related links, and make ISK'ies @ www.unakarakta.info www.3v3-online.com
eveflame Minmatar eveflame Corp	Posted - 2008.03.01 02:23:00 - [585] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 01/03/2008 01:16:56 Originally by: eveflame THESE ARE the facts Goons will cheat THEIR way and do anything they want with out ANY PROBLEM from ccp due to the fact that a gm is either in THEIR alliance or is helping them in some way. To make my point, look at the exploits that the goons have USED in the past to get space. They crashed nodes, then got back in first before anyone else could. So THESE ARE the facts goons will cheat, lie, and steal THEIR way through this game just to make THEMSELVES feel good. BTW guys, ccp will not respond to this thread due to the fact that it is THEIR BUDDIES that are being attacked on the forums. Now the goons are trying to exploit the market and raise the price on everything so that they can make more isk and to make more on hulks and macks. Just to win the war on bob, well if that is the "plan" goons, YOU'RE more stupid THAN i thought...... And yes goons, I'm a jita setter to, i SIT in jita dock and the major station so come find me i really don't care. Fixed... before you go calling people stupid, take a 2 week course in grammar Your punctuation needs some attention too, but I don't have all day And you never heard of the T20 incident, huh? Yes I have heard of the t20 incident, and a goon that uese proper grammar im shock, i will ask you this question have you heard of the jv1v incident??????
Sekhmet Orion Mandatory Suicide Incorporated	Posted - 2008.03.01 02:26:00 - [586] Originally by: eveflame i will ask you this question have you heard of the jv1v incident?????? Please tell us, I am excited by the use of so many question marks
Sekhmet Orion Mandatory Suicide Incorporated	Posted - 2008.03.01 02:32:00 - [587] Edited by: Sekhmet Orion on 01/03/2008 02:34:04 Originally by: eveflame Originally by: Sekhmet Orion Originally by: eveflame i will ask you this question have you heard of the jv1v incident?????? Please tell us, I am excited by the use of so many question marks post with your main goon alt. And I was so excited by your tease about a revelation. Please tell us the shocking exploit that happened in jv1v Maybe you had nothing to say after all. PS: Goons post with their mains, I am a BOB alt
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.01 04:55:00 - [588] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Goons aren't on a rampage... if the entire swarm went on a highsec ramp.... woah it would be funny but sec status runs out quite quickly. lol. I'm fairly sure the nodes would roll over and die well before you ever had the chance to lose any sec status of consequence. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.01 07:08:00 - [589] Originally by: Chirruper Even if the GoonSwarm references offend you, it goes completely against the spirit of EvE to beg CCP to do something. The tools are quite clearly there for people to retaliate. Several alliances could band together, form even larger numbers, and cripple their operations. . . but that would be assuming more people care than a handful of knee-jerk forum whiners. /!\ Wisdom spotted in thread /!\ Come on people, how obvious is this. If you want to stop us, do it. Quit crying. We've destroyed an astronomical amount of isk in hulks and mackinaws. Make a wardec and stop us, dumbasses. Or even easier, pay your alms and be left in peace you damn apostates -----------
Christari Zuborov Amarr Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.03.01 08:38:00 - [590] Fellow Goon to another, who missed the initial sign-up, you go baby!
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.03.01 09:06:00 - [591] I have found out why the Goonies are killing Hulks, its so they can show the coalition thier KB and say "look we kill tek too ships as well!" ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
quickshot89 Caldari Imperators	Posted - 2008.03.01 12:31:00 - [592] so are the goons killing T2 barges because they mine veldspar to quickly? so they kill them and push the prices up forcing some serious problems for the NEW players, who they want to help out in the 1st place eh? (im neutral to most players btw, im just wondering if its worth training barge to lvl 5 now or not due to this/0 Imperators, we seek glory and honour
Jdestars Stars Research systems Incorporation	Posted - 2008.03.01 13:38:00 - [593] Edited by: Jdestars on 01/03/2008 13:45:19 some indicator : Ice field number in Eve universe = 775 Ice Field in high sec = 128 Ice field in The Forge = 16 Nitrogene in Sell Book market in The forge 58m ( for 158 pos caldari refuel ) where are the macro-ice miner ? for refuel Alliance POS ? Asteroid Belt in Eve Universe = 56053 Asteroid Belt in High Sec =10906 .... where are the most populate Asteroide ... in 0.0 nb :extract data to my last dump eve-db provide by CCP ( cf other forum )

CCP Navigator C C P	Posted - 2008.03.01 17:13:00 - [594] This thread has gone on long enough. Please do not reference real life political/religious situations. Navigator, Community Representative EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang


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