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Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.11 01:06:00 -
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 Originally by: DogSlime
My character is only a few months old, and I spent the first few weeks training learning skills. All the basics are now L5, and the others are L4 (with the excpeption of socaial - haven't done much with social yet).
Even though this time is already "spent" for me, I agree with the OP that removing learning skills would make it easier on new players. Waiting for ages while learning skills to train is boring. If the first few weeks of a game are really boring, there is less likelihood that people will stay with the game.
Learning skills over lvl 4 are a waste in the first months of eve, the time saved on rank 1 and 2 skills are not that great, why don't people understand that, learning skills to lvl 4 are also out of game past times. Also once you get level 4 take the rank two advancement, its a better time investment, also before you log out you change training to a long duration high lvl learning skill, no one has to do them all at once in one big session, that just shows that the player isn't thinking.
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George Techeye
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Posted - 2008.03.11 01:08:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
Originally by: George Techeye
Dude. what ever.
This is the character i post on the forums with.
My build? lol. really you are reaching now.
For a supposed new player who just started in december you seem to have way more belief in your knowledge than any person i have ever met in game. Why not post with your real main. Until then stfu troll.
Seriously. My Build...LOL what a paranoid freak you are.
edit: where is the damn ignore forum troll function?
Umm i don't know your build, u want me to make a screenie and show you my 3, if you look you will find all 3 names mentioned in a post i made a week or so ago, i'm not hiding , its me BB, hennep and hennep ashsa, and well i do know a lot because i can read, assimilate information and form a view, i know little but what is on this site, which quite frankly tells you about every aspect of the game. That said i would never say i know everything about a game or even dare to suggest changes until i had progressed and gained a standing in game, so in maybe 18 months or two years i will give some input as i will know from personal experience and not just what is in the forum and what CCP tells us. Being here for a short time does not mean i cannot understand the game and its endless possibilities that are solely down to me to chose.
Why do you get so upset about me pointing out your posting with an alt, that alone has a bearing on ²our credability, oh and notice my alts aren't Caldari, they are Minatar and Gallente.
Maybe if you had read How does skill training work? you would not have embarassed yourself.
Flame away, call me troll and whatever, u never did reply to the posts i made as to why i thought it was a bad idea either, you sir are the troll.
Me posting on an alt has no bearing on what i am saying. You fail in trying to use that to discredit my argument.
Nothing i have stated so far in any way implies that i have failed to read how skill training works. I am quite clear on how skill training works. all my basics are at 5 and my advanced are at 3.
You claiming you would never suggest that anything be changed till you were much more experience in the game after attacking others in this very thread and putting words in their mouths and using bogus attacks to try to discredit their opinions while you put forth yours is frankly disengenious. Seri
All your attacks and suppositions come from your arrogant self impression that you know not only what you are talking about but what everyone else is talking about to. You fail there as well.
In summation, seriously stop even attempting to have a conversation with me about anything in this or any other thread. You have attempted to troll me long enough.
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Zero Target
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.11 01:10:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Bohoba
thats because of 5 pages of wine and no suggetions :)
You should read those 5 pages before commenting.
Amongst the suggestions:
Get rid of learning skills and give everyone +10 or 15 (factoring implants) to their attributes (sounds pretty easy).
Get rid of learning skills and refund people's skill points (no current way to "spend" skill points though).
Get rid of implants and refund at market value.
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Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.11 01:12:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Zero Target
Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
Imagine a 2 month newbie. CCP comes out and say "hi guys, guess what we are giving you free learnings NOW". The newbie : "well, I just trained two month for nothing.".!
Sort of like how they nerfed the spaceship command skills so you only need Frigate IV to start training Cruisers instead of Frigate V etc.?
Sure it sucked if you spent all the time training Frigate V, Cruiser V, Battleship V etc. but does anyone regret that change?
No because from my understanding they then gave you tech II ships so it was useful time spent and gave an advantage to those that had done it
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.11 01:15:00 -
[185]
So, explain to me, in detail, what it is about new players that makes them unable to stay with the game?
Why are they unable to go through the same process (or better) than people who have been playing for nearly five years?
What is it about their mental makeup that they will quit where others persevered?
Also, is that defect something that should be pandered to in the hope that it may encourage them to stay longer, or will it cause them to quit anyway?
Players already have more choice, more starting SP's, more ISK, and more information to hand than the "vets" did, and yet they need more?
Where does it stop?
At what point do you say everything is now fair?
In five years time players starting today will have more SP's than I have now, and the maximum possible for their first five years is far more than mine.
New players are catching up, and have more SP/time potential than old players - but they aren't going to catch up five years overnight, and nor should they.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.11 01:17:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Hitme Harder
When people at work ask me about eve, and say that they are interested in getting into it, I tell them to create an account, let me help them create their characters, and to check back in with me after 2 months.
I am doing CCP a benefit by doing this. Because if I didn't, they'd eventually decide to go through the learning skill grind, and quit out of boredom.
I am not joking. This is not a parable.
You are going to get banned for account sharing if that isn't a parable.
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Hitme Harder
HERRO KITTY
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Posted - 2008.03.11 01:19:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Hitme Harder
When people at work ask me about eve, and say that they are interested in getting into it, I tell them to create an account, let me help them create their characters, and to check back in with me after 2 months.
I am doing CCP a benefit by doing this. Because if I didn't, they'd eventually decide to go through the learning skill grind, and quit out of boredom.
I am not joking. This is not a parable.
You are going to get banned for account sharing if that isn't a parable.
Aren't you a titan pilot? 
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Draygo Korvan
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.11 01:27:00 -
[188]
Implants are one thing. They have benifits other than just attributes.
There is a couple things you can do here:
Give everyone +10 in every attribute and +10% or leave the basic learning skill in place.
Refund SP for depreciated skills:
The refund should not be instant but double training time until you have gained back twice as much SP.
This thread so far is the elitists vs everyone else. The learning skills were a mistake and they should be fixed. Elitists are using the age old excuse that because they suffered through it, you should to!
So I suppose if you cut your arm off, I should to? Or if you handicapped yourself voluntarially I should to?
Yea sure I'm sitting at 12m sp, 20% of which is learning skills.
I'm sorry mr elitist. You have been in the game far longer, and are approaching 100m sp. Even with a caldari alchua build and +5 implants I will never catch up to you before I die in real life unless you quit the game. So you suffered for your advantage. Your advantage is permament, you will always have more SP (assuming you keep playing and dont do anything real stupid repeativly with an alpha clone) than this character.
So Avon, give me something that I can somehow catch up to you, or lower the skill grind so I can get in ships faster.
And Avon, assuming you started from the very beginning: this means you were competing against people that were at most around your skill point level. You weren't flying frigates against battleships. You weren't flying cruisers against titans. Newbies have a lot to compete against, giving them a fairer chance should be done.
Seriously, the I suffered you SHOULD suffer arguement is age old, drop it.
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Zarda Sulan
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Posted - 2008.03.11 01:27:00 -
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I am pretty much new to eve and yeah the learning curve on some of these skills is steep- though one thing i can say after speaking to numerous friends to try get them to coem over to eve is that they say that its not worth it as new ppl can never compete with the older players due to things they have learnt and things they have that are no longer in the game that give them huge advantages. Some even said that it seems a waste cause even if you played it for a year you still would be nowwhere near to these players.
I do like this game but I do see it as a daunting challenge for newcomers and can see why alot leave after a month or two or see alot justnot even bother trying it out cause of the HUGE walls one needs to climb to even get to a a sort of a competive stage with the older players.
anyways my 2 pennys worth.
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Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.11 01:28:00 -
[190]
sorry george, the link was to show you that in the first couple of lines it tells you that you cannot skill up two characters on the same time on the same account, yes i'm being bloody minded telling you that you should have done some basic research about the game even though you had been playing for months, but just because you have played upto 6>7 million SP doesn't mean that you actually understand it and the concepts behind it.
As i said before as everyone has chosen to learn learning skills at different times and rates so it cannot be compensated for fairly.
Eve is Unique, its not ment to be even, no mmo is, the older player always has an advantage, lets keep it that way, stop trying to change the game into something you want, if people are stupid enough to just learn learning skills in the first few months the game is much better off without them as they have no intelligence, its that simple.
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Zero Target
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.11 01:41:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
Umm i had a look, you are a Caldari Achura, School of Applied Knowledge of nearly 3 months standing, says it all doesn't it.
Nice ad hominem.
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
You want more people in eve, well i'm afraid that the hardware has a finite capacity, it may increase with new hardware in the pipeline but i think they would rather have people in the game who understand it no matter how disruptive (goonies) they are than to pander to people who can't think about the choices they make.
You think CCP wants LESS revenue, do you?
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
The reason they are different is to give different people choices, why do you think there are so many Caldari Achura, because people don't have any imagination, flexability or basic criticial thinking skills.
If new players didn't have critical thinking skills, they wouldn't be choosing Caldari Achura to minimize their training time.
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
You may not have noticed but every mmo game has attributes, tell wow to abolish attributes and buffs cos you got killed and see what reaction you get.
Blizzard makes dramatic changes to WoW all the time, aimed at both veterans and new players (see the recent huge XP nerfs for leveling) and they keep adding millions of subscribers. Of course this is only relevant if you think CCP wants to make money, which you don't seem to.
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
No because from my understanding they then gave you tech II ships so it was useful time spent and gave an advantage to those that had done it
So do dreadnought pilots feel getting access to a T2 frigate is adequate compensation for spending 2 weeks training Frigates V before the nerf?
It's clear from your posts you're a veteran player who wants to preserve his huge SP lead over new players, which is completely understandable - so why not just admit it? Your arguments to the contrary aren't doing you any favours. 
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George Techeye
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Posted - 2008.03.11 01:46:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
sorry george, the link was to show you that in the first couple of lines it tells you that you cannot skill up two characters on the same time on the same account, yes i'm being bloody minded telling you that you should have done some basic research about the game even though you had been playing for months, but just because you have played upto 6>7 million SP doesn't mean that you actually understand it and the concepts behind it.
As i said before as everyone has chosen to learn learning skills at different times and rates so it cannot be compensated for fairly.
Eve is Unique, its not ment to be even, no mmo is, the older player always has an advantage, lets keep it that way, stop trying to change the game into something you want, if people are stupid enough to just learn learning skills in the first few months the game is much better off without them as they have no intelligence, its that simple.
If you think that grinding skills that help you grind skills is the defining characteristic that sets people apart and makes them unique in this game then you understand far less than you think you know about this game. Let me give you a news flash, every character can fly every ship and use ever module and do everything in this game provided the train for it. This UNIQUE bull**** you keep referring to is only in the starting number of attribute points and your crappy photo.
Seriously this entire discussiion has been about a***** block CCP put in that they admitted was a bad idea and nothing more than a Fun tax and with the resulting increase in sp options serves to do nothing but limit progression unneccessarily, yet somehow you, in your infinite myopia have gotten wrapped up in the "what skills you should be training when debate" that only you are having with yourself, and might i add that you have obviously had told to you and mimic like a little parrot.
Choke on a *****er.
you dont even understand the topic being discussed.
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Securion Wolfheart
Not Like Most
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Posted - 2008.03.11 01:56:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Chith
I forget who was commenting, but at the end of the tourney the stereotypical 'if you could change eve, how would you' question came up. Best response I've ever heard: remove all learning skills. We have new folks coming into the game, interested and curious, and the best advice we can give them is to burn a few months training up a few skills that do absolutely nothing to progress them forward in the game. I personally know a few folks who got burned out merely because of that. I agree, it's tremendously lame.
If there were any kind of sweeping change to the game that I would support, it would be to remove these skills. Whatever system is employed to do this is fine -- personally I wouldn't care if they just took the 2.5mil sp i have in learning away. A change like this would weaken the hegemony of high-sp players and do a lot for the fostering of new players, benefiting everyone.
I don't doubt that this has been posted before. Maybe this time it can get some traction and be included with the next patch (the one after march 11th).
100% signed.
The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns... |
Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.11 01:59:00 -
[194]
Training learning skills right away is only really something you should do if you're building up an Alt. Telling a new player to train Learning + Advanced learning to 4 straight away isn't exactly going to get them to like the game... 
I wouldn't mind seeing more 'base' Learning skills on character creation though. Say level 2-3 in every area to give new players at least a little boost.
To remove learning skills entirely however would be unfair on the people who've just trained them. People who calculated how long it would take for that Logic level 5 to pay off, only for it to be removed completely long before that happened
There really isn't a problem other than what we're telling newer players to do.
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Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.11 02:15:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Training learning skills right away is only really something you should do if you're building up an Alt. Telling a new player to train Learning + Advanced learning to 4 straight away isn't exactly going to get them to like the game...
I wouldn't mind seeing more 'base' Learning skills on character creation though. Say level 2-3 in every area to give new players at least a little boost.
To remove learning skills entirely however would be unfair on the people who've just trained them. People who calculated how long it would take for that Logic level 5 to pay off, only for it to be removed completely long before that happened
There really isn't a problem other than what we're telling newer players to do.
If they got those SP reimursed, there would be no problem.
-Liang
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Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.11 02:23:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Zero Target
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
Umm i had a look, you are a Caldari Achura, School of Applied Knowledge of nearly 3 months standing, says it all doesn't it.
Originally by: Zero Target
Nice ad hominem.
yeah,i thought it was a good dig into his credability and mindset as i honestly think that he hasn't thought it out within the concept of what eve is
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
You want more people in eve, well i'm afraid that the hardware has a finite capacity, it may increase with new hardware in the pipeline but i think they would rather have people in the game who understand it no matter how disruptive (goonies) they are than to pander to people who can't think about the choices they make.
Originally by: Zero Target
You think CCP wants LESS revenue, do you?
No but i am aware of the limitations that eve has relating to hardware, the more players the more lag the more ****ed of people leaving because of lag, its in a earlier post in this thread
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
The reason they are different is to give different people choices, why do you think there are so many Caldari Achura, because people don't have any imagination, flexability or basic criticial thinking skills.
Originally by: Zero Target
If new players didn't have critical thinking skills, they wouldn't be choosing Caldari Achura to minimize their training time.
no they are just the best balanced, no real gameplay if everyone choses the Master race is there, for pew-pew Mini brute are superior, gallente are better industrialists, they just require less thought as ... well they are balanced!
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
You may not have noticed but every mmo game has attributes, tell wow to abolish attributes and buffs cos you got killed and see what reaction you get.
Originally by: Zero Target
Blizzard makes dramatic changes to WoW all the time, aimed at both veterans and new players (see the recent huge XP nerfs for leveling) and they keep adding millions of subscribers. Of course this is only relevant if you think CCP wants to make money, which you don't seem to.
wow is a victim of its own success and limitations is it not, how many people on a wow server? how many people on eve, one is chalk the other is cheese. Infrastructure wise again they are different, i'm sure CCP have differing goals to Blizzard, if they wanted a thousand servers they would have devoloped a different game. Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
No because from my understanding they then gave you tech II ships so it was useful time spent and gave an advantage to those that had done it
Originally by: Zero Target
So do dreadnought pilots feel getting access to a T2 frigate is adequate compensation for spending 2 weeks training Frigates V before the nerf?
oh so lvl 5 command skills only gave you frigates and nothing else, thats what you implying, all i'm saying those that had lvl 5 had an instant new item as all tech 11 stuff requires lvl5 to progress, others had to skill up to get it so by having it you got a boost which countered the nerf, but as i don't know timescale i suspect that the nerf lasted longer than the boost advantage from your reaction.
Originally by: Zero Target
It's clear from your posts you're a veteran player who wants to preserve his huge SP lead over new players, which is completely understandable - so why not just admit it? Your arguments to the contrary aren't doing you any favours.
I'm sorry but i only started this game in december, if i have knowledge it is because i know how to learn, i'm sure you would have spotted my writing style in the forums well before now.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Cadien Cybernetics
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Posted - 2008.03.11 02:35:00 -
[197]
Yes, let's start The Pursuit of a Mythical Audience for some really newbie friendly EVE experience.
As there already are good examples there's nothing to fear.
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Please stop using the word 'nerf'
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Sionide
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.11 02:39:00 -
[198]
I support getting rid of learning skills as well, but hopefully the people that trained them would get compensated. Perhaps all the skills points are then made available for the person to assign wherever, so that training time did not go to waste.
In otherwords, boost everyone's states by 7 (taking an average of normal training to 4 and then 3 in advanced for each skills), and keeping learning speed at the level of 4 (also probably the most popular).
Training them was a big turn off to the game when I started. It was quite boring to training learning skill for like weeks/months without really enjoying the game.
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Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.11 02:42:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Tarron Sarek
Yes, let's start The Pursuit of a Mythical Audience for some really newbie friendly EVE experience.
As there already are good examples there's nothing to fear.
Yet well over half the people in this very thread have said they'd like learning skills removed.
I doubt any of us would blink twice (and virtually all of us would giggle profusely) if we got toredistribute those SP somewhere more useful.
Kill learning skills already. If you want to train faster, get implants.
-Liang
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Maxwell Albritten
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Posted - 2008.03.11 02:46:00 -
[200]
I'm a newer player (Oct '07) and the learning skills were a bit of a drag to learn. But I knew that it would pay of in the long run and I made sure I mixed it up. You know, one learning skill followed by a few non-learning skills.
It'd be nice if they did something to make it so learning skills weren't around any more. But, chances are they won't any time soon and it's no worse flippin' out over it.
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Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.11 03:03:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
lol, you still don't get it do you, can you post where CCP said learning was a mistake, go on i dare you.
I'll see if I can hunt up the link for that for him, but CCP has said that.
-Liang
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.03.11 03:05:00 -
[202]
Learning skills were a horribly stupid idea; they should've just boosted character attributes if they felt learning was slow-paced and be done with it, not introduce the abomination that learning skills are.
So, please, remove that horrible junk, and reiumburse the SP people have.
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Qarth
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Posted - 2008.03.11 03:06:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Saffin
Anyone that already has the skils has lost nothing as they have had the benefit of them, they have lost there advantage going forward but have had the advantage for a while not lost out completely.
Wrong on so many levels. You want something for nothing. Not going to work out that way. You give everyone 5's across the board.Then you need to refund the points put into the skills. Thats the only fair way to do it.
I lose a lot by doing it the way you want it done. I took the time to laern the skills. I took the effort to wait through that grind. Now you want to come along and say I will lose nothing for the time I invested and you didn't? This isn't WoW, you aren't going to get something for nothing here.
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Hippy Dave
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Posted - 2008.03.11 03:06:00 -
[204]
Worst idea ever.
The OPs (and others) logic seems to be this...
New players get intimidated and depressed having to learn all those learning skills for weeks/months to compete so remove them.
Where this logic utterly fails is that when those same players hit the point where they are say looking to get into T2 ships they will get that same feeling of utter despair when their lvl5 skills are taking weeks to complete rather than just a week.
Im new back to the game from a looonnng break and i have trained the basic learning skills to 4 (easy and quick) and the advanced ones which fit my purpose to 3... i will one day improve them but i know for now that the skills im training (the hardest ones) are getting done in an acceptable timescale (frigate 5 currently taking 6 days i believe)
If they removed learning skills it would probably take me like 10 days to train this and thats just one skill out of many.
If they removed them i would actually consider quitting cause i know how long it would take to train some of my long term goal skills.
Its simple really if you are not intending playing very long (i would personally question why youd bother if you arent in for the long haul but hey) then you dont train them and you have lost nothing.
If you know your gonna be around for like a year or so then train them cause over time they easily pay back the time spent.
In the 2 months odd ive been back, not only have i managed to train the learning skills to good levels but ive chopped and changed as needed to allow myself to progress rather than slavishly sticking to just learning skills, and its worked fine for me i dont feel i wasted any time at all. Just use common sense i say....
And as for dropping them and boosting all att's by 10 well that sucks then we all just become carbon copies of each other except the 5 random creation points and implants... no that would be crap and to easy, you should need to invest time to get your stats to 20+ not just start like that.. I dont see them as wasted time sinks, my vision of progression doesnt revolve around what ships i can fly and modules i can use, its around my whole character including his stats, im happy that cause i took my time i have Per23 after just about 2 months and very little time spent online :)
Also if we could all create new characters from scratch with all learning skills to 5 people would go suicide/gank alt crazy its just to many skill points for a starting player, i think the current level is perfect....
Ultimately any new player who views the learning skills as a waste of time cause they cant 'train to fly battleships in weeks 3' is not only approaching EvE in totally the wrong way but they should probably leave anyway as with that attitude they wont ever succeed in this game.
I can never catch up in skills to my mate for instance who has played since 2003 but i know that if i specialise in the short term i can probably compete with him (in a PVP sense) in around 2 months time, granted he can do R&D and all the other gubbins that i wont bother training (yet) but if you approach this game correctly then you will see that learning skills are there to allow those who want to commit to gain a long term advantage over those who want instant gratification straight from the get go...
I agree with the other guy in this thread, removing them would cheapen and over simplify a great system and game...
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Val Auroris
Amarr
Absolutely No Retreat
Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2008.03.11 03:59:00 -
[205]
Learning Skills Are A Illogical Waste of Time
I've been playing for 6 months and i have 8m sp. My learning skills are at 4/4.
I've got friends who just started the game, and it doesn't make sense to ask them to focus on learning skills (at least to lvl 3 )for the first 2-3 weeks while learning nothing new in between.
I read some replies saying that "well, people have a choice not to up their learning skills". Com'on, if you guys were to make a alt for the purpose of playing more than 6 months, the first skills you'll be training are learning skills. A player absolutely has to train them in order to save time.
My suggestion is to remove AT LEAST the advanced learning skills, and increase everyone's attributes by 5. Since this game has diminishing returns anyways, high sp players should not complain about something that eases the burden of new players interested about the game.
On a side note: WHERE IS MY FACE CCP!! ITs BEEN 6 months!!
The Boss and Me
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2008.03.11 04:04:00 -
[206]
Certainly not what I'd change....
I'd concentrate more on making POSs more fun to maintain than the tedious thing they are today.
Anyway the problem here is that to many people forget its a game. Don't spend 2 months training learning at first, its not fun. Yes it means you'll get skill points slower but you'll get stuff you can use. Mix the learning skills in as time goes by, you'll do fine. As for the retention of new players the learning skills are probably the least reason they don't stick around.
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.11 04:16:00 -
[207]
Give everyone the full attributes from the learning skills and convert any skillpoints already trained into something you can assign as you see fit.
The month or so it takes to get them sorted is the most boring month you'll spend in eve and this is coming from someone who didn't sort it till around 3 months in, after i'd slowly crawled my way towards basic pvp skills.
I'd proberbly have closer to 40mil sps rather than the 35 i have now.
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Bohoba
Caldari
dragons nest
imPure.
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Posted - 2008.03.11 04:24:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Val Auroris
Learning Skills Are A Illogical Waste of Time
I've been playing for 6 months and i have 8m sp. My learning skills are at 4/4.
I've got friends who just started the game, and it doesn't make sense to ask them to focus on learning skills (at least to lvl 3 )for the first 2-3 weeks while learning nothing new in between.
I read some replies saying that "well, people have a choice not to up their learning skills". Com'on, if you guys were to make a alt for the purpose of playing more than 6 months, the first skills you'll be training are learning skills. A player absolutely has to train them in order to save time.
My suggestion is to remove AT LEAST the advanced learning skills, and increase everyone's attributes by 5. Since this game has diminishing returns anyways, high sp players should not complain about something that eases the burden of new players interested about the game.
On a side note: WHERE IS MY FACE CCP!! ITs BEEN 6 months!!
Funny when I trained learning it had to be lvl 5 before you could train advanced learning and I got advanced learning to lvl 5 also,
these new players want an instant game and I don't see that Happening in eve
like I said earler go play wow go plsy star trek go play crysis power lvl all you want :)
I just don't see why the fuss over this it's not like you only train while online its ongoing 24 7
oh well nuff said here.................dam I missed a ice cycle :)
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Zero Target
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.11 04:31:00 -
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Edited by: Zero Target on 11/03/2008 04:34:51
Originally by: Hippy Dave
Where this logic utterly fails is that when those same players hit the point where they are say looking to get into T2 ships they will get that same feeling of utter despair when their lvl5 skills are taking weeks to complete rather than just a week.
If they removed learning skills it would probably take me like 10 days to train this and thats just one skill out of many.
If they removed them i would actually consider quitting cause i know how long it would take to train some of my long term goal skills.
Please read the whole thread, no one's suggesting REDUCING attributes, but rather boosting everyone's attributes and removing the learning skills so new players don't have to spend months training them, which they all do and usually very early if they're smart.
Originally by: Hippy Dave
And as for dropping them and boosting all att's by 10 well that sucks then we all just become carbon copies of each other except the 5 random creation points and implants...
I hardly think a Caldari dreadnought pilot is a "carbon copy" of a Minmatar inty pilot just because they have the same attributes, do you?
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Qarth
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Posted - 2008.03.11 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: George Techeye
CCP has stated that they regret putting learning skills in as they are essentially nothing more than a fun tax.
This is a falsehood. CCP did not say that. Show me where in the forums CCP said that. That was one Devs opinion. 1 person does not make a whole. So stop throwing around this false point. |
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