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CCP Saint
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Posted - 2008.04.10 18:26:00 -
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Tranquility will undergo an extended downtime on Tuesday, 15 April. The start time is 1100 GMT and the length of the downtime is expected to be three hours. During this time, a patch will be applied to Trinity consisting of fixes and improvements.
Patch Notes are now available. Updates to the notes may be added over the weekend as more items are cleared through the Quality Assurance process. These updates will be highlighted with green text. Please keep all patch discussion and feedback in this thread.
Please note: Training a long learning duration skill ending after the scheduled return to service is recommended.
Saint
Community Representative
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
Do Not Click Here
"Contrary to what most people say, the most dangerous animal in the world is not the lion or the tiger or even the elephant. It's a shark riding on an elephant's back, just trampling and eating everything they see."
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.10 18:39:00 -
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Nice 
Hopefully no new issues will be created 
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.04.10 18:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Kappas.
Nice
Hopefully no new issues will be created
Your optimism is an inspiration to us all... 
I think I just trolled against my own company though... 
Wrangler
Community Manager
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
Hug-A-Wrangler! FanFest 2008
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Arous Drephius
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.04.10 18:48:00 -
[4]
Finally.
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Toxe
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.04.10 18:56:00 -
[5]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
I think I just trolled against my own company though...
Seize him!
/me runs of to grab a torch and pitchfork
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Level5
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Posted - 2008.04.10 19:04:00 -
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Quote:
It is now possible to filter market orders by CPU usage
What does that mean ?
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Thebro Nobrunder
Schrodinger's Renegades
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Posted - 2008.04.10 19:10:00 -
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Faction drones 
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.04.10 19:10:00 -
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I may be being stupid, but I can't see a fix for the jumping drone window bug. Please, please tell me it's been squashed.
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clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.10 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Level5
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It is now possible to filter market orders by CPU usage
What does that mean ?
I guess Cpu fitting requirement is a filter option now. so those lowest fitting requirements can be at top or bottom of list.. useful
What about fixes for the OVERVIEW and the fleet windows moving all over the place? No mention of them in the patch notes.
May be a bit early, but waiting a month for this annoying 1.1 'feature' to be fixed, is just grrr
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Hu Lacour
HeadQuarter
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Posted - 2008.04.10 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Hu Lacour on 10/04/2008 19:21:53
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Graphics – General
- In an effort to prepare for future graphics projects we are collecting information about graphics cards. This will allow us to better target the hardware of EVE's player base.
May I ask if its possible to see (realtime?)results after patch deployment?
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Khalm
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.10 19:29:00 -
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no nerfs.. I LOVE IT!
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Goodwill City
Amarr
The Society of Goodwill
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Posted - 2008.04.10 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: clone 1
What about fixes for the OVERVIEW and the fleet windows moving all over the place? No mention of them in the patch notes.
CCP please tell us that an overview fix is in this patch 
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Vadimik
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.10 19:43:00 -
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Are suns fixed to be awesome again ?
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Abyssal Angel
Caldari
Solar Wind
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.04.10 19:45:00 -
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Please fix the jumping windows and settings resetting after each dock up.
FixedYay! have a cookie - Deckard
Originally by: CCP PrismX
My name is Prism X and I support this message.
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Paltar
The Legends
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.04.10 19:46:00 -
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Ugh ugh... and the Alt button is working again ??? and what about the scanner box ???
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.10 19:51:00 -
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I see Angel Cartel Webifiers and Vipers are still going to drop Generic Wrecks and not Angel Cartel wrecks (for salvage)... or is that a feature?
Courier Missions with remote turn in locations will still not be able to be shared with fleet members...
Otherwise, keep up the good work.
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So choose your CSM Candidates wisely
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Ephemeral Waves
In terrorem
Penumbra Unleashed
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Posted - 2008.04.10 19:52:00 -
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Why is there no mention of the overview windows resetting their location?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.04.10 20:00:00 -
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doh I missed this page and posted a new thread >.<
anyways please fix the skill sheet so you can right click on untrained skills and check show info and buy skills.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.04.10 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Level5
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It is now possible to filter market orders by CPU usage
What does that mean ?
I like to think it means you can filter based on your PCs CPU. like 3.4 or dual 2.4, you know just for lolz.
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.10 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 10/04/2008 20:04:38
Originally by: Goodwill City
Originally by: clone 1
What about fixes for the OVERVIEW and the fleet windows moving all over the place? No mention of them in the patch notes.
CCP please tell us that an overview fix is in this patch
THIS!!!!!
All the other stuff is 'meh' compared to this one....
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Vested Interest
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Posted - 2008.04.10 20:12:00 -
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alt key fix?
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.04.10 20:13:00 -
[22]
Patch notes... from the future? :)
Quote:
Trinity 1.2: Patch Notes, released 15 April 2008
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Katana Seiko
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.10 20:15:00 -
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NOOOO! More Welcome windows? Are you insane? I need an option where I can disable them...
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.04.10 20:17:00 -
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CCP, please do not forget the annoying bug of Overview Windows moving around, and in some cases even partially off screen, everytime a player joins a Gang or undocks.
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Hagen Stein
Biotronics Inc.
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.04.10 20:22:00 -
[25]
Edited by: Hagen Stein on 10/04/2008 20:23:19
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In an effort to prepare for future graphics projects we are collecting information about graphics cards. This will allow us to better target the hardware of EVE's player base.
Folks, whatever you, DO NOT START TO INSTALL SPYWARE ON MY PC! 
If you want some info, fine. Ask for it as every polite and well-behaved person would do. But don't join the path of Sony and other rogue companies who tried that before. You know where that ended: lots of bad press and a class law suit.
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Tzar'rim
Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.04.10 20:23:00 -
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Anything on the multiple account/memory problems a lot of us are experiencing? Unless that is fixed with the python upgrade.
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ZaKma
Seraphin Technologies
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.04.10 20:27:00 -
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Still nothing on not being able to close the capital navigation window? This has been a bug for like 6 months now. And nothing about the (incredibly annoying!) resizing and moving of the drone window bellow the selected items window on every undock either.
Sigh. So much for bug reporting. These are basic freaking things you do when you play EVE.
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xastrosrulex890
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Posted - 2008.04.10 20:39:00 -
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ugh...when are yall going to fix the strip miners sound on the premium content graphics? It sounds like regular mining lazers and it annoys me
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.04.10 20:44:00 -
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What about the "hold ctrl to freeze overvirew update" that was promised for this patch?
Not to mention the overview, drone, and chat window bugs.
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Ricky1989
Caldari
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.10 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: ZaKma
Still nothing on not being able to close the capital navigation window? This has been a bug for like 6 months now. And nothing about the (incredibly annoying!) resizing and moving of the drone window bellow the selected items window on every undock either.
Sigh. So much for bug reporting. These are basic freaking things you do when you play EVE.
This!
I have bug reported this so many times and never got a response! how it passed QA baffles me.
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.04.10 20:56:00 -
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Now that the market quickbar is (going to (hopefully) be) fixed, can we have the "Add to Market Quickbar" option in more places, such as the Wallet and the Hanger inventories?
Thanks!
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Gartanus
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Posted - 2008.04.10 21:00:00 -
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Oh god! Here we go again!  Let the madness commence. 
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2008.04.10 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
anyways please fix the skill sheet so you can right click on untrained skills and check show info and buy skills.
Originally by: ZaKma
Still nothing on not being able to close the capital navigation window?
I believe these two items are missing from the release notes but I'm verifying it. The release notes will be updated if necessary.
Originally by: Katana Seiko
NOOOO! More Welcome windows? Are you insane? I need an option where I can disable them...
There's been an option from the beginning to disable them all. Press ESC, go to General Settings and uncheck the Show Welcome Pages box. This is a setting per character so you must be past character selection to see the option.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson
Software Director
EVE Online, CCP Games |
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xastrosrulex890
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Posted - 2008.04.10 21:14:00 -
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i just discovered a bug...as always. when you warp in, some people dont have their strip miners or ice harvesters on their barge ,but they are mining.
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falcoon24
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Posted - 2008.04.10 21:15:00 -
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Quote:
Folks, whatever you, DO NOT START TO INSTALL SPYWARE ON MY PC!
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laurazine
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Posted - 2008.04.10 21:15:00 -
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/this
Quote:
In an effort to prepare for future graphics projects we are collecting information about graphics cards. This will allow us to better target the hardware of EVE's player base.
Quote:
Folks, whatever you, DO NOT START TO INSTALL SPYWARE ON MY PC!
If you want some info, fine. Ask for it as every polite and well-behaved person would do. But don't join the path of Sony and other rogue companies who tried that before. You know where that ended: lots of bad press and a class law suit.
More information as to how your going to collect the info and what exact info you will be collecting is certainly in order. Having a fill in the answers or a voluntary one time scan that tells you all that is collected and gives you a copy in a txt file is reasonable, automatic with no way of knowing what or how often your collecting is unreasonable.
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Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.04.10 21:20:00 -
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Still not worked out a solution to the T2 component crunch eh?
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clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.10 21:32:00 -
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Patch notes 51200
Trinity 1.1: Boost Patch Notes, released 12 March 2008
A mystery star that appeared in all solar systems, brighter than all others has disappeared.
Patch notes 52907
Trinity 1.2: Patch Notes, released 15 April 2008
The mysterious "Star in the North" that has been baffling everyone with its mysteriousness has now suddenly and mysteriously disappeared.
That star is nearly as annoying as the overview / drone windows/ fleet windows
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Mortok Tristan
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Posted - 2008.04.10 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: laurazine
/this
Quote:
In an effort to prepare for future graphics projects we are collecting information about graphics cards. This will allow us to better target the hardware of EVE's player base.
Quote:
Folks, whatever you, DO NOT START TO INSTALL SPYWARE ON MY PC!
If you want some info, fine. Ask for it as every polite and well-behaved person would do. But don't join the path of Sony and other rogue companies who tried that before. You know where that ended: lots of bad press and a class law suit.
More information as to how your going to collect the info and what exact info you will be collecting is certainly in order. Having a fill in the answers or a voluntary one time scan that tells you all that is collected and gives you a copy in a txt file is reasonable, automatic with no way of knowing what or how often your collecting is unreasonable.
from the eula you accepted:
D. Software Updates
CCP may from time to time update or otherwise modify the Software electronically. You hereby grant CCP permission to: (i) extract hardware system profile data from your computer; (ii) extract information from your computer's file directories pertaining to the Game and your ability to access the System; (iii) download to your computer content and Game files and any data related to the operation of the Game. The foregoing applies to any computer from which you log into the System using your Account.
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2008.04.10 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Explorer on 10/04/2008 21:40:21
Originally by: clone 1
Patch notes 51200
Trinity 1.1: Boost Patch Notes, released 12 March 2008
A mystery star that appeared in all solar systems, brighter than all others has disappeared.
Patch notes 52907
Trinity 1.2: Patch Notes, released 15 April 2008
The mysterious "Star in the North" that has been baffling everyone with its mysteriousness has now suddenly and mysteriously disappeared.
We believe that this star's intensity and oscillating frequency may have caused temporal anomalies and thus it appears in two release notes. It also contributed to a drop in FPS.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson
Software Director
EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Veng3ance
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.04.10 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Veng3ance on 10/04/2008 21:42:40
JOINING FLEET TOTALLY DESTROYS YOUR OVERVIEW!!!!!!!!!!!
If you guys missed this one then you totally fail, it is THE most annoying bug in the game right now hands down.
Also, bring back the alt key! I do not want to switch tabs just so I can scan an area for a fraction of a second!
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Kylegar
Caldari
Dawn of Fire
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.04.10 21:41:00 -
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Any news on when our Alt Key is going to be fixed? The ability to show all brackets with a keypress would be very nice indeed.
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Originally by: CCP Ginger
No sex changes.
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Disteeler
Segunda Fundacion
T e r c i o s
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Posted - 2008.04.10 21:47:00 -
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Nothing for linux/macintosh client :(
Hope you guys talk to Transgaming, their development is very slow and not up to the (your own in fact) expectations. 15% fps drop? nah nah, it's more like 40-50%. EvE is the final barrier for me to finally kick out Windows...
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demonfurbie
Minmatar
Covert-Nexus
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Posted - 2008.04.10 21:50:00 -
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are the faction drones gonna be in the lp store
and if they are are they gonna be broken up by dmg type (therm in gal lp stores ect)
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GreGh Rakrot
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.10 21:54:00 -
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Alt. Key. Back. Please. |
Kylegar
Caldari
Dawn of Fire
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.04.10 21:56:00 -
[46]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Edited by: CCP Explorer on 10/04/2008 21:40:21
Originally by: clone 1
Patch notes 51200
Trinity 1.1: Boost Patch Notes, released 12 March 2008
A mystery star that appeared in all solar systems, brighter than all others has disappeared.
Patch notes 52907
Trinity 1.2: Patch Notes, released 15 April 2008
The mysterious "Star in the North" that has been baffling everyone with its mysteriousness has now suddenly and mysteriously disappeared.
We believe that this star's intensity and oscillating frequency may have caused temporal anomalies and thus it appears in two release notes. It also contributed to a drop in FPS.
What was it anyway? I'm guessing it was a bug in the graphics engine, but what was it trying to render there?
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Originally by: CCP Ginger
No sex changes.
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Tabea Knute
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Posted - 2008.04.10 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Tabea Knute on 10/04/2008 22:05:08
2 points:
As Hagen Stein stated before, you will collect data about graphic cards. Please do it not this hidden way. Ask for it! You are not M$. Or as a question: Which information in detail you will get and which information you have taken until now? This needs a clarification. (I'm sure, most people would give you the information, but not this way.)
[Edit] And if it's for future graphics ... if you release new graphis, let's say next year, I'm sure that 50-75% of your player base will have new/other graphic cards. I can't see the sense in it.
In which location we can await to find the settings this time? ;) SCNR |
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2008.04.10 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Disteeler
Nothing for linux/macintosh client :( Hope you guys talk to Transgaming, their development is very slow and not up to the (your own in fact) expectations. 15% fps drop? nah nah, it's more like 40-50%. EvE is the final barrier for me to finally kick out Windows...
We're still waiting for their part of the release notes, will be added soon.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson
Software Director
EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Young Buck
Minmatar
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.04.10 22:15:00 -
[49]
CCP please, as so many others have said, when is the issue with the windows jumping around going to get fixed? I am going to end up in a mental institution if i have to keep adjusting my windows after i undock. no lie.
Any answer on this from you guys would be awesome...
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Admiral Himerias
The White Star Consortium
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.04.10 22:22:00 -
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CCP explorer, may I enquire something:
Is this patch definately intended to fix the fps issue? As a player who has been one of the many who cannot play the game due to this I would care to know please.
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TZeer
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2008.04.10 22:25:00 -
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Any notes about the cargoroom on the blackops?
On the live devblog some of the devs said something about that was a fix that was comming real soon.
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Kyguard
Black Sea Industries
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.10 22:26:00 -
[52]
What about the alt key? :/
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2008.04.10 22:28:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Kylegar
What was it anyway? I'm guessing it was a bug in the graphics engine, but what was it trying to render there?
All the LOD 1 levels of all the moons and planets in the solar system.
Originally by: Admiral Himerias
Is this patch definately intended to fix the fps issue? As a player who has been one of the many who cannot play the game due to this I would care to know please.
Yes. You can try the release on Singularity right now (please make sure not to overwrite your Tranquility install, you need to copy it and then patch the copy). Singularity is at build 52510 tonight.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson
Software Director
EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Talian Gar
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Posted - 2008.04.10 22:48:00 -
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I'm going to have to agree with the discomfort about how this collection of information on our personal systems is going to happen. The EULA is not relavent since precedents have already been set in the US courts that abused/excessive EULA's have been thrown out as unenforcable/illegal. (I don't know about Iceland, but we know where your playerbase is)
A simple system like a (one-time) pop-up window I may accept, but I need to see what's being sent *before* it is sent, so that I may cancel it if I am not comfortable with the transaction. But, in-the-background, I-don't-know-what's-going-on type stuff, is, I agree, quite unacceptable.
my .02
Talian Gar
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.04.10 23:00:00 -
[55]
Please fix the bug that makes the Overview / Drones / Fleet windows re-attach and reposition themselves every time we undock!
Also, no, you may not download info about my video card without my permission.
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Helison
Gallente
Times of Ancar
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.04.10 23:01:00 -
[56]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Kylegar
What was it anyway? I'm guessing it was a bug in the graphics engine, but what was it trying to render there?
All the LOD 1 levels of all the moons and planets in the solar system.
And the removing of the star was causing the FPS-drop, as the graphic engine tried to render the moons anywhere else... Great bug! 
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Crytan
NorCorp Enterprise
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Posted - 2008.04.10 23:16:00 -
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Although my post is reduntant, I really want to point out the importance of fixing the issue where overview and drone windows are displaced each time I undock. This is getting to the point where I try to avoid unnessesary docking due to this issue. I read somewhere that you were working on it. Is it really not included in this patch?
Part from that, great notes :-)
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.04.10 23:27:00 -
[58]
Patch Notes:
Quote:
"This is the second bug fix release of Python 2.5. Python 2.5 is now in bug fix-only mode; no new features are being added."
Perhaps CCP should adopt a similar "bug fixes only" attitude until its QA department can catch up? I for one would love to see nothing for the next 6 months but bug fixes and 100% effort spent on making existing features work.
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Back Again
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.04.10 23:38:00 -
[59]
The problems with Shield Amplifiers created with the last patch and discussed here with CCP Nozh were not mentioned in the patch notes.
Thanks in advance.
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Matting
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2008.04.10 23:48:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Matting on 10/04/2008 23:48:48
Quote:
Graphics û General
- In an effort to prepare for future graphics projects we are collecting information about graphics cards. This will allow us to better target the hardware of EVE's player base.
Thanks for letting me know, seeing as your EULA lets you do this anyway. I now know what you are going to take and that if I disagree I can stop playing eve . 
Some stats afterwards would be great though on video cards, sort of like how steam (if I remember correctly) released stats.
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annoing
Amarr
MisFunk Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.04.10 23:54:00 -
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From the look of the patch notes, ccp devs have yet again, in their infinite wisdom, decided to do fuk all about the bugs they introduced in the last successful ( ) patch (forgetting about all the other myriad of bugs from all the other patches). Way to go ccp... another load of b0llocks disguised as work. Really, why dont you try to make the effort to actually fix the bugs you continuously introduce?
D- for a pathetic attempt, must try harder.....
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Kylegar
Caldari
Dawn of Fire
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.04.10 23:56:00 -
[62]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Kylegar
What was it anyway? I'm guessing it was a bug in the graphics engine, but what was it trying to render there?
All the LOD 1 levels of all the moons and planets in the solar system.
Sweet, thanks for telling us. We now have the reason! Woot! |
Minsuki
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.04.10 23:59:00 -
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Patch notes:
What we fixed:
A bunch of random crap.
What we didn't fix:
Overview having seizures
Alt-tabbing
Alt key showing stuff in space
What we didn't implement:
Switch all guns to "x" ammo
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Bane Glorious
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.11 00:11:00 -
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I just submitted a bugreport for an overview issue that at least some people are probably talking about here with FRAPS footage, see bugreport 56143. |
Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.04.11 00:53:00 -
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Thanks for the Black Ops boost!
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.04.11 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Talian Gar
I'm going to have to agree with the discomfort about how this collection of information on our personal systems is going to happen. The EULA is not relavent since precedents have already been set in the US courts that abused/excessive EULA's have been thrown out as unenforcable/illegal. (I don't know about Iceland, but we know where your playerbase is)
A simple system like a (one-time) pop-up window I may accept, but I need to see what's being sent *before* it is sent, so that I may cancel it if I am not comfortable with the transaction. But, in-the-background, I-don't-know-what's-going-on type stuff, is, I agree, quite unacceptable.
my .02
Talian Gar
I don't get why people are freaking out about this. It's your video card for Pete's sake. It's rather obvious what they're going to collect: The model of the card(e.g. Nvidia 8800GTX) and the amount of RAM said card has. What they're not going to collect: Your bank account number, your **** collection, or your secret plans for defeating BoB once and for all.
They probably need to know how many people have SM3 and SM4 compliant graphics adapters should they release a DX10 client or decide to end the classic client. |
Lo Lightshard
Insurrection Inc
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Posted - 2008.04.11 02:13:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Lo Lightshard on 11/04/2008 02:13:48
Originally by: Talian Gar
The EULA is not relavent since precedents have already been set in the US courts that abused/excessive EULA's have been thrown out as unenforcable/illegal. (I don't know about Iceland, but we know where your playerbase is)
Europe. Are you a lawyer?
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Xeron Silverblade
Esthar Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.11 02:52:00 -
[68]
fix those overview-windows-jumping-issue...
pretty plllllllllzzzzzzzzzzzz
this is a mayor annoyance to anybody it applies to (which is most of the playerbase if i get that right)
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here'n'there
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Posted - 2008.04.11 03:17:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Minsuki
What we didn't implement:
Switch all guns to "x" ammo
Indeed, that was promised "in the first patch after trinity 1.0", so when? |
Sentinel Eeex
Caldari
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.11 03:39:00 -
[70]
It's late and all, so I maybe can't read properly, but... I see no mention of ALT key being brought back (together with nice small box in the center of our ship).
Could you let us know if ALT is being brought back?
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Zorai Miraden
Gallente
East Khanid Trading
Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.04.11 04:12:00 -
[71]
Quote:
Graphics û General
In an effort to prepare for future graphics projects we are collecting information about graphics cards. This will allow us to better target the hardware of EVE's player base.
Unless you make this optional to participate in you have good chances of seeing privacy issue backlash.
I personally don't care if you know what kind of graphics card I had. But I am glad that you said you intend to collect this information. But collecting this information without asking players consent by past stories I've seen will get you into trouble. |
KadaEl
RONA Midgard Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.11 05:29:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Tzar'rim
Anything on the multiple account/memory problems a lot of us are experiencing? Unless that is fixed with the python upgrade.
This. This 100x over.
I don't care if the overview is bugged, it's easy to work around.
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KadaEl
RONA Midgard Academy
Teaching the world of tomorrow |
Angelemori
Caldruin Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.11 06:06:00 -
[73]
Any further info on the Faction Drones? LP Store or where are we getting them from and what they will be able to do above regular drones? |
Deby Dallas
Caldari
Snake Eyes Inc
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2008.04.11 06:25:00 -
[74]
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I don't get why people are freaking out about this. It's your video card for Pete's sake. It's rather obvious what they're going to collect: The model of the card(e.g. Nvidia 8800GTX) and the amount of RAM said card has. What they're not going to collect: Your bank account number, your **** collection, or your secret plans for defeating BoB once and for all.
They probably need to know how many people have SM3 and SM4 compliant graphics adapters should they release a DX10 client or decide to end the classic client.
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If microsoft release the same statement as CCP i doubt your attitude would be so cavilier.
Yes there are many laws no in plce to cove this and collection of information from anyones pc personal or business should not be a background process and personally unless clarified then i am also prepared to not update to any patch until it is even if that means starting a new online game.
CCP is not at a level where i would place automatic trust in a statement of intent just like i would not trust any other cmpany who came out with the same statement , declare whats being collected or lose players.
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Jordan Musgrat
Convergent
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.04.11 06:34:00 -
[75]
CCP Explorer.
Stop ignoring half the posts in this thread. Tell us yes or no, did you give the alt key back, and are you fixing the rampant UI?
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Caldari Citizen645721
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Posted - 2008.04.11 06:50:00 -
[76]
Quote:
Miscellaneous
Multiple bug fixes where made to our GM tools and some new features implemented to improve our customer support.
hm must it improved ?
i mean all the gm tells you is, server runs fine all is ok it is all your computers or isp fault
why waste any time on gm tools ?
btw this commodore eve pc will not be good enough to play eve
my one is faster have more ram but not near to run a small fleetbattle without lags
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Neddy Fox
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Posted - 2008.04.11 06:51:00 -
[77]
CCP Explorer.
Stop ignoring half the posts in this thread. Tell us yes or no, did you give the alt key back, and are you fixing the rampant UI?
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.04.11 06:54:00 -
[78]
The most annoying bugs are not adressed in this patch and all questions about them have been ignored. So I now ask CCP to hold back the patch until a fix for the overview can be included.
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Varrakk
Phantom Squad
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.11 07:18:00 -
[79]
Will we get a fix to the Overview?
And Alt-key, and plans for that one?
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.04.11 07:26:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Verite Rendition on 11/04/2008 07:28:28
Originally by: Deby Dallas
If microsoft release the same statement as CCP i doubt your attitude would be so cavilier.
Yes there are many laws no in plce to cove this and collection of information from anyones pc personal or business should not be a background process and personally unless clarified then i am also prepared to not update to any patch until it is even if that means starting a new online game.
CCP is not at a level where i would place automatic trust in a statement of intent just like i would not trust any other cmpany who came out with the same statement , declare whats being collected or lose players.
Microsoft already does collect that information. Every time you use Windows update it gets a list of hardware and MS applications so that it can find driver and application updates. WoW does this, SWG does this, half the traditional MP games do this. Your hardware is not considered private info, it has no personal details that could possibly be used for or against you. It's like taking a census of car models that come through a repair shop, how on earth could such data be abused?
And if you don't trust CCP, you shouldn't be installing or running EVE at all. It's not as if there's some magic bit they have to flip to collect data, they could very well be recording all of your bank account info every time you log in. Running executable code means you place an immediate and complete trust in whoever provided that code.
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Lead Megalomanic
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.11 07:30:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Kerfira on 11/04/2008 07:37:46
Originally by: Neddy Fox
CCP Explorer.
Stop ignoring half the posts in this thread. Tell us yes or no, did you give the alt key back, and are you fixing the rampant UI?
Unfortunately it seems like CCP has learned absolutely NOTHING from the last year or so.....
Classic ostrich approach. Don't mention a problem (even though it's in front of you), and it doesn't exist...
"Look ma, no problems! We're a great company! Our product is great!"
Seriously, what happened at CCP? You've lost your ability to communicate, and it seems you've also lost all sense when it comes to prioritising what to fix....
You've added or 'fixed' a lot of stuff in this patch that most people probably couldn't care less about, but the one thing that annoys people on a daily basis gets no attention....
TELL people whether you fixed this or not!
If you've fixed it and tell people, the result is they'll be happy.
If you haven't fixed it and tell people, the result is they'll be unhappy about the problem not being fixed.
If you haven't fixed it and don't tell people, the result is that they'll be unhappy about you not telling AND then they'll be unhappy about the non-fix!
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to be able to tell that being forthcoming is the best solution. If your PR dept tells you otherwise, fire them!
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Helevorn Feanaro
Gene Works
AKA-AHN KINGDOM
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Posted - 2008.04.11 07:53:00 -
[82]
Thanks for the fixes, CCP. Looking forward to proper fps again.
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Maximillian Power
Minmatar
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.04.11 07:54:00 -
[83]
I rarely speak in threads like this. I hope that this is heard.
Please, please, please make the reporting of graphics cards data a configurable option that is specified clearly in the installer with a tick box. I realize that it is only minor information and is probably not traceable but it really makes a difference to feel that a company cares about privacy.
I _will_ tick the checkbox on install. I think it is a good idea to capture this information. I would also like the option to turn it off if that is what I wanted to do.
Kind Regards,
Max |
maarud
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.04.11 08:11:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Maximillian Power
I rarely speak in threads like this. I hope that this is heard.
Please, please, please make the reporting of graphics cards data a configurable option that is specified clearly in the installer with a tick box. I realize that it is only minor information and is probably not traceable but it really makes a difference to feel that a company cares about privacy.
I _will_ tick the checkbox on install. I think it is a good idea to capture this information. I would also like the option to turn it off if that is what I wanted to do.
Kind Regards,
Max
You have already aggreed to this when you agree to the EULA.
Maarud.
Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
<t20> i'd rather have a python in my pants than a sle |
Krollin
Minmatar
Ki Shoda
United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.04.11 08:36:00 -
[85]
Great job CCP :)
Looking forward to having a good Frame Rate again.
Great game imo!
Kro
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Nike Calistar
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.11 09:59:00 -
[86]
CCP Explorer.
Stop ignoring half the posts in this thread. Tell us yes or no, did you give the alt key back, and are you fixing the rampant UI?
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Dan Glebitts
One Ton Banana
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Posted - 2008.04.11 10:08:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Dan Glebitts on 11/04/2008 10:09:48
1 Crashes with multiple accounts
2 CTD's
3 Overview, Fleet, Drone windows
4 Buddy list not updating
5 Alt key
This is how the patch notes should have read. EVERYTHING else should have been secondary..........EVERYTHING
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.11 10:15:00 -
[88]
PLEASE fix the jumping windows bug!
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.11 10:17:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Mortok Tristan
from the eula you accepted:
D. Software Updates
CCP may from time to time update or otherwise modify the Software electronically. You hereby grant CCP permission to: (i) extract hardware system profile data from your computer; (ii) extract information from your computer's file directories pertaining to the Game and your ability to access the System; (iii) download to your computer content and Game files and any data related to the operation of the Game. The foregoing applies to any computer from which you log into the System using your Account.
I'm not a lawyer, but it only says that the software may extract system hardware info, it says nothing about sending that info back to CCP.
Even if it did, that should be irrelevant to CCP's attitude towards customers' concerns. It is simply bad form to do so without asking specific permission for sending any given data.
And as many have said, I'd be happy for CCP to have such data, if they ask. CCP should know, though, that many will intend to update their hardware depending on what future EVE versions (especially ambulation) will need.
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.11 10:18:00 -
[90]
Random comments from SHC with regard to the UI.....
Quote:
I suppose the UI jumping around with a mind of its own didn't make the cut to be fixed, eh?
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this was the only thing i wanted to be fixed.
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UI not staying put are what I wanted to see. Everything else can go **** itself.
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I want my UI to stop acting like a manic child with downs syndrome.
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I'm just going to give CCP the benefit of the doubt and hope there's a valid reason why that particular bug hasn't been fixed yet.
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Window jumping sucks. I get it all the time for random reasons.
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The sheer amount of "who the **** cares" fixes in this "patch" sends me into a nerd rage the likes of nerddom has never seen.
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but I do expect gamebreaking UI bugs (and the alt key, and probe bubble rendering, and about 10 other things that are higher priority than EVERYTHING in this patch) to be fixed
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I love how 2 of my 3 biggest complaints didn't get addressed at all....
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They need to fix the UI asap. It's failure that they can't make it stay the way I want.
Quote:
Overview.
See what I'm hinting at????
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.11 10:49:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Trinity 1.2: Patch Notes, released 15 April 2008
Jump clones can now be installed at NPC stations again, provided that security status requirements are met.
Originally by: KB Article 146
Furthermore, when using NPC stations for your jump clones, you require either a personal or a corporate standing of +8.0 towards the owner of the station.
Did you mean NPC corp standings rather than security status?
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Cheap Dude
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Posted - 2008.04.11 11:13:00 -
[92]
*kuch*overview*kuch*
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Krall Junior
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Posted - 2008.04.11 11:20:00 -
[93]
no minmatar boost?
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Neddy Fox
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Posted - 2008.04.11 11:22:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Minsuki
Patch notes:
Switch all guns to "x" ammo
I normally don't complain about updates, but come on. This is getting ridiculous.
oh ROFL! Did you ever realize this was posted on the first of April ?
But yeah, fix the jumping windows plz.
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Echon
Kaper Korp
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Posted - 2008.04.11 12:16:00 -
[95]
Edited by: Echon on 11/04/2008 12:16:40
The overview needs to be fixed as soon as possible.
-Echon
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Jeet Prefect
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Posted - 2008.04.11 12:17:00 -
[96]
It seems the CCP person\s responding to the questions in this forum are avoiding any response to the numerous overview bugs. Is it really so complicated to compare the first revision of Trinity and the current version and see what has changed in the UI? I know the problems appear on both the windows classic, and Mac clients. Is the jumping problem limited to the classic graphic content? All of my bug reports come back linked to know issue. If it is a known issue then why has it taken so long to remedy? I mean they deployed a patch to fix a login problem with a small % of the player base, that ended up breaking a lot more than it fixed. Even if they haven't fixed it all, let us know the status, give us an update as to possible workaround, something.
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.11 12:26:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Jeet Prefect
It seems the CCP person\s responding to the questions in this forum are avoiding any response to the numerous overview bugs. Is it really so complicated to compare the first revision of Trinity and the current version and see what has changed in the UI? I know the problems appear on both the windows classic, and Mac clients. Is the jumping problem limited to the classic graphic content? All of my bug reports come back linked to know issue. If it is a known issue then why has it taken so long to remedy? I mean they deployed a patch to fix a login problem with a small % of the player base, that ended up breaking a lot more than it fixed. Even if they haven't fixed it all, let us know the status, give us an update as to possible workaround, something.
I'm having the thought that they probably think this is funny....
"Haha, look at the stupid customers complaining..." *laughs all around the office*
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Hagen Stein
Biotronics Inc.
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.04.11 12:58:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Microsoft already does collect that information. Every time you use Windows update it gets a list of hardware and MS applications so that it can find driver and application updates.
But MS doesn't force me to use Windwos Update. My Windows will just work without all those patches applied or I my apply them manually. Whereas I've yet to met any EVE patch that allowed me to ignore the current patch and still be able to use EVE ("Incompatible protocol").
Also, as others have already stated, any part of an EULA that's against the law is simply void. Here in Germany (software) EULAs have been proven to be invalid in courts over and over again.
Ask for it, tell me exactly *what* you collect and present me a copy of it and all is fine.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.04.11 13:11:00 -
[99]
The patch didn't fix everything, nor give me a pink unicorn... I'm severely disappointed and will be canceling my account forthwith. ;(
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Claymaker
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.04.11 13:11:00 -
[100]
Please fix the jumping clone window - that is so annoying.
Also a small item ...
Quote:
Hello XXXX,
Thank you for your bugreport - ID:53138 Title: Sound: Strip Miner
This problem has already been fixed on internal CCP test servers. When this fix will reach Tranquility is dependant on whether it can be hotfixed, or requires a larger patch.Your bugreport has been filtered.
The BugHunter Team
Report ID: 53138
Title: Sound: Strip Miner
Description: On the premium client, the sound of the strip miner since the trinity release has changed to that of the ordinary mining laser. The pre Trinty (and I believe the current standard client version of Trinity) still plays the old strip miner sound. It¦s a known issue and will be fixed in one of the next patches ...thanks for reporting - BH Warringer
Reproduction Steps: Mine and Asteriod with a strip miner on premium and compare ir to that of a mining laser - there the same - and used to be different.
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Letrange
Minmatar
Chaosstorm Corporation
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2008.04.11 13:21:00 -
[101]
Quote:
The base research and manufacturing times of the shield boost amplifier I blueprint have been changed to be more in line with other modules.
This would come thru just after I've almost finished getting it to 20/20... grrrrrrr
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Haloxx
Star Section 9
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Posted - 2008.04.11 13:27:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Haloxx on 11/04/2008 13:30:34
Originally by:
The Amarr Navy Apocalypse has had its rate of fire reduced and damage increased to stop the laser effect from being a continuous beam.
Shouldn't the rate of fire be increased (in other words: take longer time between shots) in order to stop the laser effect from being a continuous beam?
Can someone clarify?
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Tabea Knute
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Posted - 2008.04.11 13:29:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Hagen Stein
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Microsoft already does collect that information. Every time you use Windows update it gets a list of hardware and MS applications so that it can find driver and application updates.
But MS doesn't force me to use Windwos Update. My Windows will just work without all those patches applied or I my apply them manually. Whereas I've yet to met any EVE patch that allowed me to ignore the current patch and still be able to use EVE ("Incompatible protocol").
Also, as others have already stated, any part of an EULA that's against the law is simply void. Here in Germany (software) EULAs have been proven to be invalid in courts over and over again.
Ask for it, tell me exactly *what* you collect and present me a copy of it and all is fine.
Exactly. This is the reason too, that Vista is not accepted by most people and companies here in Germany (besides the beta stadium of that "OS").
If there is no exact statement what data they're collecting, there is the smell that maybe some more data will be collected. This does not mean, they are doing it, but hiding the details of it will rise some speculations. (what software/games do you have installed too?)
If CCP is asking for my graphic card, I would give the information away - actively, but not this way. |
violator2k5
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.11 13:40:00 -
[104]
Originally by: CCP
CRITICAL
Junk-in-Space has been activated and will go live after Downtime on 16 April.
In Trinity 1.1: Boost Patch we deployed the Junk in Space Cleanup Program whereby anchored containers will have a 30 day timer from the last time they were interacted with and they will then be deleted when the timer expires unless they are in proximity to a Starbase. Another part of this program is that drones, fighters, shuttles and rookie ships in space will be deleted on the first of every month and while the clock started ticking on 12 April we decided to give it a bit more time so the system will become active during downtime on 16 April.
thats really critical is it??
whats this thread then? a cake walk?
Originally by: CCP
Technical
Stackless Python has been upgraded from version 2.5.1 to version 2.5.2.
To quote the Python 2.5.2 release announcement: "This is the second bug fix release of Python 2.5. Python 2.5 is now in bug fix-only mode; no new features are being added. According to the release notes, over 100 bugs and patches have been addressed since Python 2.5.1, many of them improving the stability of the interpreter, and improving its portability."
better help with the crashing problems is all i can say, if it doesnt then my only thoughts on that would be you guys couldnt organise a ****up in a brewery
as you can see i couldnt care less about the other changes that you have in place all i want to see is pure fixes for current MAJOR problems
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Majickthise
S0G
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Posted - 2008.04.11 14:00:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Kerfira
See what I'm hinting at????
<CCP>
Our logs show nothing of these GUI issues, and missing Alt key functionality of which you speak.
Have a nice day
</CCP>
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Jet Collins
Dynamic Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.04.11 14:11:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Jet Collins on 11/04/2008 13:56:07
Sorry if I have been out of the loop for a while on some of this stuff but I was wondering why this is in the new patch.
- The overseer structure from the mission "Angel Extravaganza" has been removed and the mission re-enabled.
Thanks
Dynamic Endeavors is now Recuiting.!!
Contact me in game for deatails about the corp.
Mostly a PvE corp, with Jump clones avaiale in Empire and 0.0. |
Alz Shado
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.04.11 14:20:00 -
[107]
Now that EvE is on STEAM:
You're Welcome.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.11 14:21:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Haloxx
Shouldn't the rate of fire be increased (in other words: take longer time between shots) in order to stop the laser effect from being a continuous beam?
Can someone clarify?
Nope, that is worded correctly. ROF == the number of cycles during a specific time. Reducing ROF means you are reducing the number of cycles during that timeframe.
If you normally fire 4 shots in 10 seconds and now fire 2, your ROF is reduced.
If you normally fire 4 shots in 10 seconds and now fire 4 shots in 20 seconds your ROF is also reduced, by the same amount as the above example.
Originally by: Audri Fisher
On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Revan Crow
Minmatar
KraehenKlaue
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Posted - 2008.04.11 14:41:00 -
[109]
i got the solution ! the bugged overview (that annoying broken thing that makes me play other stuff these days)is magically fixed with the python code upgrade that caused that and many other bugs.... well one can hope no ?
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Lady Natacha
Minmatar
Water and Power
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Posted - 2008.04.11 15:12:00 -
[110]
Good timing on this supposed FPS fix CCP.
Now maybe more of us will finally get at least a good week of use out of our 6-month old "power of two" accounts right before they expire.
My EVE sigs
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.04.11 15:31:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Revan Crow
i got the solution ! the bugged overview (that annoying broken thing that makes me play other stuff these days)is magically fixed with the python code upgrade that caused that and many other bugs.... well one can hope no ?
To borrow a quote from someone else in this thread:
Your optimism is an inspiration to us all...
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Fastercart
Gallente
Ihatalo Heavy Industries
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.11 15:38:00 -
[112]
Regarding Alt key: As of yesterday, it was not fixed on Sisi. ):
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Haloxx
Star Section 9
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Posted - 2008.04.11 16:36:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Originally by: Haloxx
Shouldn't the rate of fire be increased (in other words: take longer time between shots) in order to stop the laser effect from being a continuous beam?
Can someone clarify?
Nope, that is worded correctly. ROF == the number of cycles during a specific time. Reducing ROF means you are reducing the number of cycles during that timeframe.
If you normally fire 4 shots in 10 seconds and now fire 2, your ROF is reduced.
If you normally fire 4 shots in 10 seconds and now fire 4 shots in 20 seconds your ROF is also reduced, by the same amount as the above example.
OK, but have a look at this (found here):
Originally by: Patchnotes for build 45018
# Need for Speed (drones): The rate of fire for all drones has been doubled to decrease the number of server calls drones are making. Drone damage was doubled to balance the RoF change. Sentry drones and fighters are not affected by any of these changes.
Surely this states that RoF is time per shot (since doubling it halves the number of server calls) as opposed to your shots per timeinterval.
Whoever is right, it's not logical to increase damage (on the Apoc and drones) to counter both increased and decreased RoF.
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N1fty
Amarr
Galactic Shipyards Inc
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.04.11 16:55:00 -
[114]
Reload all with <ammotype>.
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Scaldari Anitoba
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Posted - 2008.04.11 17:23:00 -
[115]
I second the reload with <ammo type> an also would like to add, Separate volume control for EVE Voice!!! I am sick of losing what my gang mates have to say in gate noise, warp engine sounds gun fire!!! all due to the fact that i can not boost the eve voice volume separate from the master volume control. It is my only hold back from using this great utility for my small operations and cannot believe you guys aded even more features to it without actually fixing that gross over site.
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Muscaat
Eve University
Ivy League
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Originally by: Haloxx
OK, but have a look at this (found here):
Originally by: Patchnotes for build 45018
# Need for Speed (drones): The rate of fire for all drones has been doubled to decrease the number of server calls drones are making. Drone damage was doubled to balance the RoF change. Sentry drones and fighters are not affected by any of these changes.
Surely this states that RoF is time per shot (since doubling it halves the number of server calls) as opposed to your shots per timeinterval.
The quote from the old patch notes is worded badly. I remember the discussions when it first came out. Higher rate of fire = shorter time between shots, and vice versa.
Note to CCP on graphics card data: if the driver identifies itself as "winex11.drv" you're looking at a Wine user. Anyone know if the Cedega client identifies itself in the same way?
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Kaladr
Amarr
No Quarter.
Vae Victis.
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Originally by: Muscaat
The quote from the old patch notes is worded badly. I remember the discussions when it first came out. Higher rate of fire = shorter time between shots, and vice versa.
Note to CCP on graphics card data: if the driver identifies itself as "winex11.drv" you're looking at a Wine user. Anyone know if the Cedega client identifies itself in the same way?
Good to know that I'm not the only one running under official WINE and not Cedegcrap.
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Veng3ance
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.04.11 19:55:00 -
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So... no reply about the overview bug? Could you tell it was important to the player base?
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Posted - 2008.04.11 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Explorer on 11/04/2008 20:30:48
Originally by: Fastercart
Alt key: As of yesterday, it was not fixed on Sisi.
Regarding the Alt key, I refer you to a post from CCP Tuxford. My personal view is that using overview tabs and Alt+Z work really nicely to switch between current bracket filtering and showing all brackets (note, you need to save an overview setting to a tab). I know that not everyone agrees and we will do another iteration.
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Neranna Sol
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.11 21:30:00 -
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Are you going to fix the Overview bug that makes it re-attach itself to the freaking details pane?
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Posted - 2008.04.11 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Crytan
Please comment on the overview bug, where windows are displaced after undocking. I usually don't critizise on patches, and are mostly happy about them, but this thing in particular is really, really annoying. If it's not fixed, then fine (well, sort of not), but please let us know.
I will comment on it, but only after looking at the issue and the defect myself.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson
Software Director
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clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.11 22:28:00 -
[122]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Crytan
Please comment on the overview bug, where windows are displaced after undocking. I usually don't critizise on patches, and are mostly happy about them, but this thing in particular is really, really annoying. If it's not fixed, then fine (well, sort of not), but please let us know.
I will comment on it, but only after looking at the issue and the defect myself.
This was openly called an open defect nearly 1 MONTH ago, and you haven't looked at it yet?
I am shocked.
Posted by CCP Oneiromancer 2008.03.14 11:37:00 Linkage
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Sorry for the late reply.
We have an open defect on this issue and we are working on a fix that will *hopefully* deployed soon.
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Maya Sollow
Gallente
Product Number 3
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Posted - 2008.04.11 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Sollow on 11/04/2008 22:31:18
Originally by: CCP Explorer
I will comment on it, but only after looking at the issue and the defect myself.
Erm, play Eve much?
Without adding too much to this wine but i must say that this is by far the most anoying bug ive encountered to date.
It has definatley reduced my play time and that of players i speak too and is a MUST FIX.
Otherwise, keep up the good work CCP.
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Posted - 2008.04.11 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: clone 1
This was openly called an open defect nearly 1 MONTH ago, and you haven't looked at it yet? I am shocked.
I'm sure you understand that I don't handle personally all issues that arise. I have to find the defect, talk to QA, talk to the UI developers, find out what the status is, look at the state on each code branch, etc, before I can comment personally on it. I've seen the discussion here and I will follow up on the status.
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Software Director
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Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.11 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: clone 1 on 11/04/2008 22:47:53
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: clone 1
This was openly called an open defect nearly 1 MONTH ago, and you haven't looked at it yet? I am shocked.
I'm sure you understand that I don't handle personally all issues that arise. I have to find the defect, talk to QA, talk to the UI developers, find out what the status is, look at the state on each code branch, etc, before I can comment personally on it. I've seen the discussion here and I will follow up on the status.
I understand, can't ask for more than that really.. but faster please
Sorry though, I thought the most annoying, most talked about bug on the forums would be the most talked about bug in CCP, and I though you were teasing us by not commenting on it.
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violator2k5
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.12 01:31:00 -
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Edited by: violator2k5 on 12/04/2008 01:33:15
Originally by: CCP Explorer
I'm sure you understand that I don't handle personally all issues that arise. I have to find the defect, talk to QA, talk to the UI developers, find out what the status is, look at the state on each code branch, etc, before I can comment personally on it. I've seen the discussion here and I will follow up on the status.
soz to jump in, but what about the crashing / locking up issues that some of the player base are facing at the moment? will you be looking into that as well?
i've been on sisi to test this new patch fix and such and they still persist
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Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.04.12 07:32:00 -
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If it's any help, I don't know if it's quite related but I have a similar issue with windows that are stickied (the "Resize to Match" arrows) to a window on the top, and that top window gets changed (closed, minimized).
Because I typically have my wallet window attached below the market window, whenever I minimize the market window it raises the wallet up to the top of the screen. I also have this problem with various chat windows, when opening or closing the client they will push whatever windows were moved to the left side of the screen up out of bounds so I have to reset the positions of all my windows.
And it's a relatively new bug, which is the most confusing. Ugh.
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Enrave
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.04.12 07:36:00 -
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An easy way to detect is the following:
Undock, then join a fleet. Wether the windows are pinned or not they will jump across the screen.
Another way: put some chat screens on top of eachother eject some stuff into space and open the can. Put that can screen on top of all the other chat screens. Use another ship to pop the can.. see what happens with the chatscreens.
Those 2 are the most annoying. Thing that bothers me, the 'pin' option does not work.. it should sticky the window to its location but it doesn't.
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HAZCON Inc
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Posted - 2008.04.12 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
anyways please fix the skill sheet so you can right click on untrained skills and check show info and buy skills.
Well it looks like it is fixed on SiSi/Multi, in v53122 at least, so I expect it'll get through.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.04.12 07:39:00 -
[130]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Crytan
Please comment on the overview bug, where windows are displaced after undocking. I usually don't critizise on patches, and are mostly happy about them, but this thing in particular is really, really annoying. If it's not fixed, then fine (well, sort of not), but please let us know.
I will comment on it, but only after looking at the issue and the defect myself.
This would stand to ground then you have not played Eve since this bug came into play because you can't play eve without seeing this fracking thing. Jesus christ....
Load eve.
Join Fleet.
Enjoy.
NOW FIX THE FRACKING THING!!!!1111
BTW does the female corpse have **** yet... I find this addition more important than the overview.... and if you think i'm serious please quit CCP and go back into cleaning.
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Tenebrys
Havoc Violence and Chaos
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.04.12 09:31:00 -
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Edited by: Tenebrys on 12/04/2008 09:32:21
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Moon icons should now be displayed in space regardless of distance.
Oh no. I've been wondering how long it's been on that these have remained invisible to the populace, and who even cared at all...
Also.
Quote:
The Amarr Navy Apocalypse has had its rate of fire reduced and damage increased to stop the laser effect from being a continuous beam.
Nice work, but I'm wondering if you'll notice that the other Amarr Navy Apocalypse -- the most expensive thang in the Amarr LP store -- still has the pre-Boost Patch capacitor and bonuses, and is thus for the most part crappier than the vanilla, cheapie Apocalypse.
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Posted - 2008.04.12 09:57:00 -
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Bah a number of people have asked for clarification on what is meant by the
Faction drones have been added as variations of other drones
Does this mean Gallente Navy Ogres? Or does it mean Faction Rogue Drones?
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Tenebrys
Havoc Violence and Chaos
R0ADKILL
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
Bah a number of people have asked for clarification on what is meant by the
Faction drones have been added as variations of other drones
Does this mean Gallente Navy Ogres? Or does it mean Faction Rogue Drones?
Both, you buy them at the LP store and you can shoot them for Plush Compounds.
...kidding.
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Crytan
Please comment on the overview bug, where windows are displaced after undocking. I usually don't critizise on patches, and are mostly happy about them, but this thing in particular is really, really annoying. If it's not fixed, then fine (well, sort of not), but please let us know.
I will comment on it, but only after looking at the issue and the defect myself.
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: clone 1
This was openly called an open defect nearly 1 MONTH ago, and you haven't looked at it yet? I am shocked.
I'm sure you understand that I don't handle personally all issues that arise. I have to find the defect, talk to QA, talk to the UI developers, find out what the status is, look at the state on each code branch, etc, before I can comment personally on it. I've seen the discussion here and I will follow up on the status.
Well this to me is a perfect example as to the effectivness of ccp's bug control.
We get a quote from someone who after a month doesn't know about it and hasn't checked it , and yet feels the need to reply to it.
For the record:
I really don't give a sh!t about a reply like that , all i want to know is if this is going to be fixed or not.
A 'I don't know' reply is really not helping at all and only adds to the frustration I ( and i think i can say more then just myself ) am getting over this. ( not to mention that a bug this apparent , that alot of ppl are getting frustrated over , is allowed to exist this long )
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nomis ekoobmah
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.04.12 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Young Buck
CCP please, as so many others have said, when is the issue with the windows jumping around going to get fixed? I am going to end up in a mental institution if i have to keep adjusting my windows after i undock. no lie.
Any answer on this from you guys would be awesome...
Should I complain because I don't have problems with windows moving around when I undock? When I dock and undock again the windows are exactly where they were before I docked.
I had the problem after one of the Revelations 2 patches but it was easily cured by deleting the cache directory and all the settings files.
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Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.12 16:18:00 -
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Overview overview overview overview....just in case it hasn't been mentioned.
Oh...and the bug where drones launch with half their shield already gone after boarding from a POS. Maybe skills aren't being taken into account?
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Originally by: nomis ekoobmah
Should I complain because I don't have problems with windows moving around when I undock? When I dock and undock again the windows are exactly where they were before I docked.
Try to detach each piece of the overview, move the details pane to the top center of the screen, the ships list pane to the upper right corner, and the drones window to the bottom right corner, then dock and undock and see if they stay there.
I guess if you run the default config there aren't any problems. But as soon as you try to move the overview to somewhere else, there are.
I also think it's caused by the new code they added to prevent the map buttons at the top from overlapping the overview. You see, they figured the best way to fix that was to have the overview move itself out of the way. Heh.
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Sgt Napalm
Synergy Evolved
Daisho Syndicate
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CCP Explorer is battling this all alone. Nice job Explorer!
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Posted - 2008.04.12 21:46:00 -
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CCP, fix alt key. Alt-Z does *NOT* work for me.
CCP, fix UI window dancing. I'm not a very good dancer.
CCP, fix items not being displayed on overview until they explode. That makes the overview (not to mention your ship) rather worthless when that happens.
*ALL* of my items are already moved to empire. If this patch doesn't fix all of those items, you will lose no less than 3 subscriptions.
I'm tired of your crap.
Originally by: Tawrich Tistrya
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Crytan
Please comment on the overview bug, where windows are displaced after undocking. I usually don't critizise on patches, and are mostly happy about them, but this thing in particular is really, really annoying. If it's not fixed, then fine (well, sort of not), but please let us know.
I will comment on it, but only after looking at the issue and the defect myself.
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: clone 1
This was openly called an open defect nearly 1 MONTH ago, and you haven't looked at it yet? I am shocked.
I'm sure you understand that I don't handle personally all issues that arise. I have to find the defect, talk to QA, talk to the UI developers, find out what the status is, look at the state on each code branch, etc, before I can comment personally on it. I've seen the discussion here and I will follow up on the status.
Well this to me is a perfect example as to the effectivness of ccp's bug control.
We get a quote from someone who after a month doesn't know about it and hasn't checked it , and yet feels the need to reply to it.
For the record:
I really don't give a sh!t about a reply like that , all i want to know is if this is going to be fixed or not.
A 'I don't know' reply is really not helping at all and only adds to the frustration I ( and i think i can say more then just myself ) am getting over this. ( not to mention that a bug this apparent , that alot of ppl are getting frustrated over , is allowed to exist this long )
This.
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Posted - 2008.04.12 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: clone 1
This was openly called an open defect nearly 1 MONTH ago, and you haven't looked at it yet?
I am shocked.
Well it took several years to fix drones, cant expect problems to be fixed a mere one month later
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Posted - 2008.04.12 23:18:00 -
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As reported in a recent news item, this has been added to the Patch Notes for Trinity 1.2:
Bookmarks may become invalid after Junk in Space Cleanup Program is activated on Wednesday, 16 April.
If you have any bookmarks that were created by right clicking a container in space and selecting "Bookmark location" the bookmark will point to the container ID. When the container is then deleted by the Junk in Space Cleanup Program the bookmark will point to a container which doesn't exist and therefore it becomes invalid. This also affects bookmarks that are copied and transferred between characters, when trying to move them to People & Places the action will fail silently, meaning no error message is displayed.
You can prevent this by visiting your bookmarks before Wednesday, 16 April, and re-create them so that they don't point at containers but rather at coordinates in space (right click in space next to the container and create a bookmark).
Wrangler
Community Manager
CCP Games, EVE Online
Email / Netfang
Hug-A-Wrangler! FanFest 2008
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Caldari
Striker Ltd
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: clone 1
This was openly called an open defect nearly 1 MONTH ago, and you haven't looked at it yet? I am shocked.
I'm sure you understand that I don't handle personally all issues that arise. I have to find the defect, talk to QA, talk to the UI developers, find out what the status is, look at the state on each code branch, etc, before I can comment personally on it. I've seen the discussion here and I will follow up on the status.
CCP Explorer's new nickname Ostrich?
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Naqam
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
I've seen the discussion here and I will follow up on the status.
Thankyou.
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cApAc aMaRu
Minmatar
Burning Sword
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Posted - 2008.04.13 04:08:00 -
[144]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Crytan
Please comment on the overview bug, where windows are displaced after undocking. I usually don't critizise on patches, and are mostly happy about them, but this thing in particular is really, really annoying. If it's not fixed, then fine (well, sort of not), but please let us know.
I will comment on it, but only after looking at the issue and the defect myself.
Does anyone else get the impression that the devs don't play enough? Just recognition that is is a problem would be nice. We aren't just blowing smoke rings at you to see how many you can jump through, its a major issue.
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Can you really right-click in space and create a bookmark in Eve-Online?
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Rramar Claime
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.04.13 06:58:00 -
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I was looking at the patch notes yesterday and didn't find the word overview in it. I thought something is wrong i must have missed it it's such an important issue that with the fps drop its one hell of an annoying bug anyone could imagine. For example when i release my drones the window just jumps in the middle of my ui in the fight, can make you kinda ****ed. Anyway, I am shocked now. It seems I was not mistaken, some of the devs don't even know about the problem, it took us 3 pages of posting to make them say that they are looking into it. About one month after the bugpatch release, and one month constant discussion about it in the uncountable bug topics. I'm shocked...
Dear CCP Explorer if you haven't looked into this bug yet, which I can still accept and understand, you must've had a lot of work on other issues, but can we have someone here who at least gives us the impression that you accept that this is a major bug for many people and you are working on it as a top priority? Also please confirm that this will be fixed in the next patch! I understand everyone whines the most for the bug he has and he feels like this is the end of the world if you guys don't fix it at once because his program has issues, while you have to deal with 200k customers. But in this case it's not because my toy is broken or my lollipop fell into the sandbox but because so many people have this issue.
I don't want to hear about ambulation or such useful things like the female corpses in space, what you guys had to mention in the trinity video (i still don't know if that was a joke or you really didn't have better ideas), as most of the people here i want the game fixed, to work with acceptable number of bugs and lag.
Please.
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Need Soveregnity or Pos will be offlined or not onlined in the first place!?
Nice way of further "helping" big corporations dominate an area.
I hope i miss understod.Like the never ending story...
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Taraw
Amarr
Dark Rising Shadow
Executive Outcomes
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Originally by: Tabea Knute
Exactly. This is the reason too, that Vista is not accepted by most people and companies here in Germany (besides the beta stadium of that "OS").
Oh please. You are only speaking for yourself.
For most people it's simply too expensive or it doesn't run very well on their hardware.
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Originally by: Mortok Tristan
Originally by: laurazine
/this
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In an effort to prepare for future graphics projects we are collecting information about graphics cards. This will allow us to better target the hardware of EVE's player base.
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Folks, whatever you, DO NOT START TO INSTALL SPYWARE ON MY PC!
If you want some info, fine. Ask for it as every polite and well-behaved person would do. But don't join the path of Sony and other rogue companies who tried that before. You know where that ended: lots of bad press and a class law suit.
More information as to how your going to collect the info and what exact info you will be collecting is certainly in order. Having a fill in the answers or a voluntary one time scan that tells you all that is collected and gives you a copy in a txt file is reasonable, automatic with no way of knowing what or how often your collecting is unreasonable.
from the eula you accepted:
D. Software Updates
CCP may from time to time update or otherwise modify the Software electronically. You hereby grant CCP permission to: (i) extract hardware system profile data from your computer; (ii) extract information from your computer's file directories pertaining to the Game and your ability to access the System; (iii) download to your computer content and Game files and any data related to the operation of the Game. The foregoing applies to any computer from which you log into the System using your Account.
Is this a Joke???? Will we get compensated for our time if we don't want to continue playing due to this unlawfull crap!!?? 
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Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Is this a Joke???? Will we get compensated for our time if we don't want to continue playing due to this unlawfull crap!!??
Well actually even if they have that in the eula and you accepted it, it doesn't mean that it has to be that way and you can't do anything against it. I mean if they write in something stupid like we will have your wife if you want to play our game, or we can install whatever we want -without notifying you- on your computer otherwise you cannot play our game, those things can be still attacked even if you accepted the eula.
But i don't think this will be a problem, afterall we are not against CCP and vice versa, nobody wants problems like that and it's important to have a good relationship to the customers, not the we rob you whatever you say approach many of the companies do. Fortunately CCP is not like that! /licking off :)
Though a voluntary or semi-voluntary way of this would be welcome...
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Originally by: Rramar Claime
Is this a Joke???? Will we get compensated for our time if we don't want to continue playing due to this unlawfull crap!!??
Well actually even if they have that in the eula and you accepted it, it doesn't mean that it has to be that way and you can't do anything against it. I mean if they write in something stupid like we will have your wife if you want to play our game, or we can install whatever we want -without notifying you- on your computer otherwise you cannot play our game, those things can be still attacked even if you accepted the eula.
But i don't think this will be a problem, afterall we are not against CCP and vice versa, nobody wants problems like that and it's important to have a good relationship to the customers, not the we rob you whatever you say approach many of the companies do. Fortunately CCP is not like that! /licking off :)
Though a voluntary or semi-voluntary way of this would be welcome...
I agree,we have to see that we all are rowing the same boat.Overall i think CCP is doing a great job,but then and then we get confronted with elitistic crap and total dissrespect!?
Dont they know that we are putting the bread and butter on their tables?,some times it makes me wonder..
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Originally by: laurazine
/this
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In an effort to prepare for future graphics projects we are collecting information about graphics cards. This will allow us to better target the hardware of EVE's player base.
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Folks, whatever you, DO NOT START TO INSTALL SPYWARE ON MY PC!
If you want some info, fine. Ask for it as every polite and well-behaved person would do. But don't join the path of Sony and other rogue companies who tried that before. You know where that ended: lots of bad press and a class law suit.
More information as to how your going to collect the info and what exact info you will be collecting is certainly in order. Having a fill in the answers or a voluntary one time scan that tells you all that is collected and gives you a copy in a txt file is reasonable, automatic with no way of knowing what or how often your collecting is unreasonable.
This isn't spyware, this isn't stealing. As has been previously stated this information is exposed by your operating system quite FREELY!! What this means is that no "spyware" is installed, but your OS provides this information to the client.
In effect, this is publicly available information. I'm sure CCP have a privacy policy, and in their EULA it probably states that information PRESENTED (not stolen/spied) is made available to the client.
Why are you people so paranoid about them knowing what graphics card is in your machine? The information presented by the OS isn't going to invade your privacy, neither can it go any further into your PC than that! This is supposed to be to help improve things and reduce bugs - I bet the people whining about "you're spying on me" are also the same people that whine and say "my client keeps crashing/lagging and a lost my ship". Well, you can't have it both ways.
Lastly and most importantly, when you visit a website the web server is able to tell what browser you have, and what version of that browser, along with a few other things. Are you *really* going to issue a lawsuit against Microsoft and Mozilla for disclosing your browser information to 3rd party web servers? No, didn't think so!
Go clean up your cookies, run Spybot Search and Destroy, install AVG anti virus, and remove some of the utter **** that infests your machine. Then you'll have more reliability and will remove more "spyware" than simply querying the information the OS PROVIDES to the client.
Really, if you don't like it go and talk to Bill Gates or Linus Torvalds depending! 
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Originally by: Ashlee Darksky
Lastly and most importantly, when you visit a website the web server is able to tell what browser you have, and what version of that browser, along with a few other things. Are you *really* going to issue a lawsuit against Microsoft and Mozilla for disclosing your browser information to 3rd party web servers? No, didn't think so!
Yep, when you visit just about any website on the internet the minimum amount of information collected is:
Your ip
ISP
general location
browser
operating system
screen resolution
screen colors
whether or not you have java
whether or not you have flash and what version
What website you came from
what search engine you may have used
what search term entered to find the site
connection speed
language
how long you visit
how frequent you visit
Usually this info is sort of anonymous, but if the site you visit has you sign up for a subscription and you enter personal information, suddenly that information is tied to your ip, and they know exactly who you are and what you are doing.
Now if you compare this to CCP collecting video card info to make the game better.. I think you will see its not a real big deal compared to how much personal information you are leaving all over the internet. |
Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.04.13 09:43:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Hagen Stein
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Microsoft already does collect that information. Every time you use Windows update it gets a list of hardware and MS applications so that it can find driver and application updates.
Actually it doesn't. I think it downloads an application that compares your hardware with what is available. This is probably why MS clearly state that they don't send any information.
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But MS doesn't force me to use Windwos Update. My Windows will just work without all those patches applied or I my apply them manually. Whereas I've yet to met any EVE patch that allowed me to ignore the current patch and still be able to use EVE ("Incompatible protocol").
As long as they tell you what they're going to do (which they obviously have in your case) you can make an informed choice.
If you don't like it, leave. CCP are not forcing you to play the game and by subscribing you are aggreeing to accept whatever rules and policies they enforce. If it was personal information they would have to adhere to additional legislation to ensure its protection but this isn't personal.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.04.13 09:45:00 -
[155]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Edited by: CCP Explorer on 11/04/2008 20:30:48
Originally by: Fastercart
Alt key: As of yesterday, it was not fixed on Sisi.
Regarding the Alt key, I refer you to a post from CCP Tuxford. My personal view is that using overview tabs and Alt+Z work really nicely to switch between current bracket filtering and showing all brackets (note, you need to save an overview setting to a tab). I know that not everyone agrees and we will do another iteration.
I agree. At first not having Alt was annoying but once I knew about Alt+Z I much preferred it. You can activate space brackets while you need them then switch them off. A toggle beats holding a key down indefinitely in my view.
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[Brackley, UK]
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Plib
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Posted - 2008.04.13 09:48:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Gone'Postal
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Crytan
Please comment on the overview bug, where windows are displaced after undocking. I usually don't critizise on patches, and are mostly happy about them, but this thing in particular is really, really annoying. If it's not fixed, then fine (well, sort of not), but please let us know.
I will comment on it, but only after looking at the issue and the defect myself.
This would stand to ground then you have not played Eve since this bug came into play because you can't play eve without seeing this fracking thing. Jesus christ....
Load eve.
Join Fleet.
Enjoy.
NOW FIX THE FRACKING THING!!!!1111
BTW does the female corpse have **** yet... I find this addition more important than the overview.... and if you think i'm serious please quit CCP and go back into cleaning.
Actually you can. My overview never jumps around and never has. It's probably because I've left it where it defaults (right edge of screen with details on top). OTOH I do get chat channels and open cargo jumping to the bottom of the screen but it might be that Wrangler plays with those minimised (I do sometimes) so wouldn't notice. Do not assume that the overview is a big headache for everyone. Some of us genuinely haven't seen a problem with that particular window. |
Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.13 10:04:00 -
[157]
Edited by: Kerfira on 13/04/2008 10:04:29
Originally by: Ashlee Darksky
As has been previously stated this information is exposed by your operating system quite FREELY!! What this means is that no "spyware" is installed, but your OS provides this information to the client.
A lot of information if exposed by the OS freely. Contents of files, banking details, basically everything on your PS.... This is a non-argument as the exposure is intended for programs ON the machine, not CCP's marketing department.
Originally by: Ashlee Darksky
In effect, this is publicly available information. I'm sure CCP have a privacy policy, and in their EULA it probably states that information PRESENTED (not stolen/spied) is made available to the client.
Again, you're wrong. This is not 'publicly available information', this is information restricted to programs running on my PC which CCP is now going to leech. Any company with pure intentions would make it voluntary.
Originally by: Ashlee Darksky
Why are you people so paranoid about them knowing what graphics card is in your machine? The information presented by the OS isn't going to invade your privacy, neither can it go any further into your PC than that!
Again, you may believe CCP will limit themselves to this data. I don't trust any commercial company for the simple reason that their loyalty is not to me, but to their shareholders wallet.
Once they've crossed the line of leeching data from customers private PC, it'll be SO easy just to add a tiny bit more.... One thing their primary partner MicroSoft would probably be interested in is windows license keys (combined with the home address of the customer). If MS offered a 25% discount on CCP's purchases for that, I wouldn't bet anything that the CCP board wouldn't think that a great thing ($$$).
It all comes down to a question of trust and a question of wanting control of your data. I don't trust ANY commercial company as a general rule and I want full control of my PC.
This Gestapo/Stasi surveilance crap is something the world is better off without!
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Candice Bormardin
Caldari
Jouvulen Enterprises Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.13 10:08:00 -
[158]
OK - it's like this:
1) The last patch should NEVER have been released with the overview bug in it. It is a glaringly obvious bug that provides a constant source of irritations to the user base. The code that was modified should have been pulled and the old code left in it's place if it wasn't ready. There have been no improvements in the game commensurate with the level of aggravation this bug has caused. Before - the over view worked fine. In attempting to make it better YOU FREAKING MADE IT WORSE. Don't release code like that.
2) The number one priority of THIS fix should have been fixing that bug. It is a constant unremitting irritation. Don't even bother with another fix if you haven't fixed this - as it will mean we will have to put up with this until the NEXT patch release. NO. Fix the damn thing NOW. Put everything else aside and FIX IT.
Am I going to get a new ship out of it - if one of mine gets blown up because when I tried to launch my drones their menu jumped who knows where and I can't assign them a target?
The same goes for the problem with Alt-Tabbing between accounts.
This worked fine since I started playing the game. NOW every now and them - the screen freezes when I try to Alt-Tab to the other account. Sometimes I can keep hitting keys until I can get one to refresh the screen but often I'm forced to close the application - which means redoing my Fleet joins - when the thing comes back.
As you can imagine - getting attacked while unable to access your ship can pose a problem. Am I going to get a new ship if I lose one because of this stinking bug? If playing multiple accounts on the same computer were something odd - it would be different. But this game is obviously designed for people to do that and CCP has encouraged people to get multiple accounts with various offers. It is difficult to make use of those multiple accounts we are now paying for if they freeze up like this.
So - what we have here - is a bunch of stuff that's added that I don't really care about - and TWO things that are CRITICAL to the game as I play it that were fouled up last time.
I EXPECTED THEM TO BE FIXED IN THIS RELEASE AND SEE NO SIGN THAT THEY WILL BE.
I was understanding up until now. Every one makes mistakes. But when people make a mistake - THEY SHOULD FREAKING FIX IT in a timely manner.
DO NOT RELEASE THIS PATCH WITHOUT THESE FIXES.
I don't care what else is in this patch. None of it matters compared to things that effect the basic ability of the game to be played.
Pull this update until those fixes are ready - and ONLY then release it.
Don't bother to release it without them. You're just wasting an update cycle.
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Najenna
Minmatar
Caldari Deep Space Ventures
Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2008.04.13 11:35:00 -
[159]
You forgot to mention in the Graphic department and I feel its a major thing too. You forgot to mention the Premium Graphic Fleet Tempest rendering. I cant play my ship with premium graphic cause hte bloom on the fleet tempest is broke and I hope seeing it wasnt on the patch notes it was a small over site Please fix my ship!!!!
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Eirlie
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Posted - 2008.04.13 11:39:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Kerfira
Once they've crossed the line of leeching data from customers private PC, it'll be SOOOO easy just to add a tiny bit more.... One thing their primary partner MicroSoft would probably be interested in is windows license keys (combined with the home address of the customer). If MS offered a 25% discount on CCP's purchases for that, I wouldn't bet anything that the CCP board wouldn't think that a great thing ($$$ for them).
I had to laugh at this - I can't imagine Microsoft providing programmatic access to their Windows keys - imagine the piracy nightmare they'd have on their hands if that got out and was embedded in some form of malware.
Not to say I don't agree with what you're saying - I too would like control over whether, when, and what info gets sent (for example, in the manner that Steam does it, with republishing the results and all), but you could've come across much more succinctly and convincingly with just these points and without the overwrought and overused references.
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.04.13 12:18:00 -
[161]
Originally by: CCP Saint
Bookmarks may become invalid after Junk in Space Cleanup Program is activated on Wednesday, 16 April.
If you have any bookmarks that were created by right clicking a container in space<...>
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!
Is there any way of telling if a bookmark was created by right-clicking a container in space? And anyway, do you really expect me to revisit all my bookmarks, some of which are safe spots in hostile space, just to remake them in case they were made from cans?
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Ice Globe
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.13 13:28:00 -
[162]
Any possible fixes for the character sheet?
As it stands, if you switch tabs too quickly, and in laggy/random instances, the character sheet tabs will just freeze preventing you from accessing your skillsheet and combat log (something I would rather I didn't have to relog to access).
Could there be a fix for this or a refresh phase to re-display the sheets?
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Sunbird Huy
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Posted - 2008.04.13 14:13:00 -
[163]
This is a LOAD OF CR*P!
INSTEAD OF DOING SOMETHING ON IMPROVING GAME U KEEP NERFING EVERYTHING THAT BECOMES POPULAR TO DO.
U ADDED PREMIUM GRAPHICS. GREAT. NOW 30% PEOPLE CAN'T PLAY GAME ANYMORE.
U GOT 40+ THOUSAND PEOPLE ONLINE ON PEAK HOURS. THE LAGG CREATED BY YOUR UNWILLINGNESS TO INVEST SOME OF THE MONEY WE PAY YOU MONTHLY(OR 6-MONTHLY, AS I DO) INTO IMPROVING THE SERVER PERFORMANCE AND MAKING THE PARTS OF THE GAME THAT MATTER THE MOST(FLEET FIGHTS, YES) ACTUALLY WORK! THE GIANT SECURE CONTAINERS THAT ARE ANCHORED IN SPACE ALSO ARE COMPLETELY BUGGED, THOSE COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN ON FOREVER, YOU CANNOT STACK THE STUFF IN THEM, U CANNOT SORT IT OUT MOST OF THE TIME(99% OF IT).
SO PLEASE, GET OUT FROM YOUR LITTLE SELF-CONTENTION WORLD AND START DOING SOMETHING TO PAY BACK YOUR CUSTOMERS THAT FIND THIS GAME THE BEST ONLINE THING NEXT TO YOUTUBE AND WHATCHAMACALLIT STUFF.
PLEASE DO NOT SAY THE LAGG IS DUE TO PEOPLE'S COMPUTERS OR CONNECTIONS BEING UNABLE TO HANDLE THE GAME, THAT IS ANOTHER LOAD OF CR*P! I TRIED USING WoW(YEAH, SINFUL ME)(HAVEN;T BEEN LAGGED OUT ONCE, EVEN ON MASS RAIDS) AFTER I LOST 4 SHIPS IN 2-3 DAYS DUE TO BUGS THAT ARE ON YOUR SIDE, LIKE "SESSION CHANGE ALREADY IN PROGRESS FOR 2-3 MINUTES WHEN YOU ARE BEING SHOT AT BY 10 PEOPLE THAT DON;T LIKE YOU. OR WHEN U LOSE A RIGGED RAVEN AFTER FINISHING RATTING, JUMPING INSIDE POS SHIELDS AND LOGGING OUT, THEN NEXT DAY FINDING YOURSELF IN A POD IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, AND GETTING A RESPONSE FROM THE GM'S "WE ARE SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS,BUT WE COULD NOT FIND ANYTHING WRONG IN OUR LOGS..."
YEAH WHATEVER. KEEP PRETENDING EVERYTHING IS GOOD. MAKE A QUESTIONAIRE FOR EVERY EVE PILOT TO BE FORCED TO REPLY, ASK THEM WHERE THEY USUALLY HANG OUT, WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT LAGG IN GAME IN THEIR LOCATION(HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE USUALLY THERE) AND SO ON.
THEN, GET ALL THE RESULTS AND POST THEM(THE REAL ONES, NOT THE EDITOR'S CUT PLEASE)
LIKE THAT WILL HAPPEN.
U GOT A GREAT GAME HERE, IT'S A SHAME U DON'T BOTHER LOOKING AFTER YOUR CUSTOMER'S COMPLAINTS. THEY ARE YOUR BREADBASKET.
KEEP THAT IN MIND. AND FFS, DON'T BE CONDESCENDING WHENEVER THE POSTS MAKE U FEEL THAT YOUR TIE IS JUST A TAD BIT TIGHT AROUND YOUR NECK.
STOP NERFS, AND NERF THE LAGG AND BUGGS.
I WON;T READ YOUR ANSWER ON THE FORUMS, BUT I HOPE TO SEE THE ANSWER NEXT TIME I GO INTO A FLEET FIGHT WITH 200+ PEOPLE IN SYSTEM, WHEN THE LAGG DOESN'T KILL ENTIRE FLEETS BY CRASHING THE NODES AND GAME CLIENTS.
P.S.
EVE VOICE IS EVEN WORSE AFTER THE "MAINTENANCE" YOU PERFORMED. B4 I HAD NO PROBLEMS, OTHERS HAD, BUT NOW I EVEN GET CLIENT CRASHES. AND I'M TIRED OF PETITIONS.
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Gerardd
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Posted - 2008.04.13 14:41:00 -
[164]
Can I say here that I like some of the things happening in this patch, that I am not bothered by the ones that don't affect me and that I have no major issues with the overview bug (my drone box never moves when I launch them by the way) or revealing what my graphics card is (would be nice to hear actually, since I have no idea myself)?
My only wish would be that patches would not be done on a Tuesday because that is exactly the most inconvenient day of the week for me.
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Bellasarius Baxter
Caldari
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.13 14:49:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Sunbird Huy
This is a LOAD OF CR*P!
And so on, and no, and on.
Ahem, your Caps Lock (or Shift) key is stuck......
It seems to me that the Devs are doing what they can atm, and some of the things you posted seems to be addressed in this patch, so try to maintain calm, and see what happens......
...and Yes, I know it's hard, EVE is like a drug, you get addicted fast, and start showing withdrawal symptoms soon after closing the client for the night.
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violator2k5
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.13 15:28:00 -
[166]
Edited by: violator2k5 on 13/04/2008 15:29:18
Originally by: Sunbird Huy
This is a LOAD OF CR*P!
INSTEAD OF DOING SOMETHING ON IMPROVING GAME U KEEP NERFING EVERYTHING THAT BECOMES POPULAR TO DO.
U ADDED PREMIUM GRAPHICS. GREAT. NOW 30% PEOPLE CAN'T PLAY GAME ANYMORE.
easy sunbird no need to spit the dummy out m8. I'm in the same boat as you and can understand the issues your facing but to emo rage like that, meh. as they say patience is a vitue and what were endure at the moment will only make the game that much more enjoyable once they do get off their rears and fix it so that those of us who struggle to play due to poor coding can finally get back in game properly.
i do feel that they should be moving faster to fix it as they've probably had over many dozens of bug reports thrown at them but still as of yet havent found a solution
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Posted - 2008.04.13 15:43:00 -
[167]
Originally by: violator2k5
Edited by: violator2k5 on 13/04/2008 15:29:18
Originally by: Sunbird Huy
This is a LOAD OF CR*P!
INSTEAD OF DOING SOMETHING ON IMPROVING GAME U KEEP NERFING EVERYTHING THAT BECOMES POPULAR TO DO.
U ADDED PREMIUM GRAPHICS. GREAT. NOW 30% PEOPLE CAN'T PLAY GAME ANYMORE.
easy sunbird no need to spit the dummy out m8. I'm in the same boat as you and can understand the issues your facing but to emo rage like that, meh. as they say patience is a vitue and what were endure at the moment will only make the game that much more enjoyable once they do get off their rears and fix it so that those of us who struggle to play due to poor coding can finally get back in game properly.
i do feel that they should be moving faster to fix it as they've probably had over many dozens of bug reports thrown at them but still as of yet havent found a solution
I would like to meet the long standing eve players ( 3+ years ) those guys are bound to be extremely virtueous ppl , being patient for all those years to wait and see if lag will ever be fixed...........
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Nor Caine
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Posted - 2008.04.13 15:50:00 -
[168]
Edited by: Nor Caine on 13/04/2008 15:55:30
Edited by: Nor Caine on 13/04/2008 15:54:45
Edited by: Nor Caine on 13/04/2008 15:53:32
Edited by: Nor Caine on 13/04/2008 15:52:31
Edited by: Nor Caine on 13/04/2008 15:52:07
Edited by: Nor Caine on 13/04/2008 15:51:24
WEll, i ve read all 6 pages of this thread...
I just hope that CCP does aswell, couse so far jumping windows is the bug number 1 !!! Mentioned maybe in 75% of posts here.
Ok chat windows, and cargo windows aswel as overvieuw dont jump all the time, i can imagine those bug being missed, but come on...
Fleet windows if someone is going to say they dont jump i say you are a liar... Even if its a CCP member. Every single time i join an fleet, fleet windows open somewhere over my overvieuw on top of it. Usually i can manage to minimaise fleet window but broadcast window is really evil, those little pest is capable of forcing on my info window from above the overvieuw even higher, off the sceeen so i cant reach it anymore, thus dont see how much damage i inflict and or do i inflict any damage at all.
Finally i have to hit esc to restore windows positions, and that means i have to restore all positions alswel as size of by me prefered windows.
Explorer, im sure you do what you can and i m sure your just human and got just 24 hours in an day, but this is obviously TOP PRIORITY !!!
Put an team on this issue, there is definitly something wrong. See it this way, if i pin an window... its pinned and shoudnt move from location where its pinned no matter what happens... as long as its not the case, dont even expect players to be kind about updates.
As many others also stated, i also dont have the feeling CCP set right prioritys.
Fix things that really affect gameplay, extra drones, crap... laser beams on an ship that looks like massive.... crap...
cleaning space from sec cans and other dirt.... still crap as they are just annoying.
The only real thing this update (hopely) will cause is increased FPS...
That is something i also welcome, for the rest keep good work, a side with your lack of attention to players base you create a hell of a good game... i just activated second account... and if you really do your best and make multiaccounting stable i might keep it and use it :)
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.04.13 17:25:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Candice Bormardin
1) The last patch should NEVER have been released with the overview bug in it. It is a glaringly obvious bug that provides a constant source of irritations to the user base. The code that was modified should have been pulled and the old code left in it's place if it wasn't ready. There have been no improvements in the game commensurate with the level of aggravation this bug has caused. Before - the over view worked fine. In attempting to make it better YOU FREAKING MADE IT WORSE. Don't release code like that.
2) The number one priority of THIS fix should have been fixing that bug. It is a constant unremitting irritation. Don't even bother with another fix if you haven't fixed this - as it will mean we will have to put up with this until the NEXT patch release. NO. Fix the damn thing NOW. Put everything else aside and FIX IT.
You misunderstand CCP's bug-prioritizing scheme, which, from what I've seen, does the following two things (among others):
1. They do NOT prioritize bugs based on how annoying they are. They do prioritize based on how many people are affected by the bug, but that's not the primary consideration. The primary is how significant the bug is (as in how big a part of the client or server it crashes). The result is that a "typo" or a flicker of the screen or the Overview moving is deemed a "minor" bug because it doesn't prevent gameplay, and the fact that it affects many people is noted but this doesn't increase its priority much.
2. They allow indefinite postponement. Simply put, a bug's priority doesn't seem to increase with time. And they are always so swamped with new/old issues that a minor bug will NOT be looked at, ever. Case-in-point: containers and windows resizing themselves, since 2003 (this is just an example, I don't care about "fixing" it, we've learned to live with it by now).
Bottom line, the Overview bug is classified as "minor" despite how much we're complaining, and it has a chance to NEVER be fixed simply because there will always be something more important to spend time fixing.
Also, I don't know if they know what's causing it. I think it's in the "don't overlap the map buttons" code, but I'm no expert. Could also be a result of the fact that they keep changing the default location where the cache directory is.
Anyway, they're annoying their own player base, or a segment of it, to the point where it's more and more vocal in a negative way... oh well, their issue to deal with, I don't know why they continue doing it, but shrug.
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Bellasarius Baxter
Caldari
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.13 17:59:00 -
[170]
On recreating book marks......
Clicking in space, next to a wreck, or a can, I cannot bookmark that location, so I don't understand the statement in the patch notes.
Can someone please clearify this ?
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.04.13 18:05:00 -
[171]
I also dont get it. How do we make none tin bookmarks. Right clicking in space doesnt work
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Rramar Claime
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.04.13 18:43:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Sunbird Huy
This is a LOAD OF CR*P!
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Why are ya shouting 'lad? ....
Keep your caps off please I'm sure you're past 3rd grade.
Originally by: Letouk Mernel
You misunderstand CCP's bug-prioritizing scheme, which, from what I've seen, does the following two things (among others):
1. They do NOT prioritize bugs based on how annoying they are. They do prioritize based on how many people are affected by the bug, but that's not the primary consideration. The primary is how significant the bug is (as in how big a part of the client or server it crashes). The result is that a "typo" or a flicker of the screen or the Overview moving is deemed a "minor" bug because it doesn't prevent gameplay, and the fact that it affects many people is noted but this doesn't increase its priority much.
2. They allow indefinite postponement. Simply put, a bug's priority doesn't seem to increase with time. And they are always so swamped with new/old issues that a minor bug will NOT be looked at, ever. Case-in-point: containers and windows resizing themselves, since 2003 (this is just an example, I don't care about "fixing" it, we've learned to live with it by now).
Bottom line, the Overview bug is classified as "minor" despite how much we're complaining, and it has a chance to NEVER be fixed simply because there will always be something more important to spend time fixing.
Also, I don't know if they know what's causing it. I think it's in the "don't overlap the map buttons" code, but I'm no expert. Could also be a result of the fact that they keep changing the default location where the cache directory is.
Anyway, they're annoying their own player base, or a segment of it, to the point where it's more and more vocal in a negative way... oh well, their issue to deal with, I don't know why they continue doing it, but shrug.
The real problem is if they don't listen to us! As I stated it in other topics I really don't want another SW:G case with the devs don't giving **** about what the players say, they just do the ostrich tactic and keep answering to the question they want to hear, not what we ask, like we didn't even exist. Of course they apologized when only 2% of the player base was left... CCP may have a bad priority, the problem is if they can't adapt EVEN if in the topic of the patch we keep telling them to do so. And of course in numerous other threads.
I'm really waiting the response of a Dev here clearing this issue and soothing all of us, so we can have a sort of good disappointment, knowing they do care about what we say and this was just a misunderstanding.
"I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day, when he said; 'Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?' Grandpa said, 'No, but I served in a company of heroes." |
DogSlime
Caldari
Wilde Cards
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Posted - 2008.04.13 19:10:00 -
[173]
I really hope the overview bug is fixed in this next patch. It has been ages now.
I am convinced that CCP's Dev team sucks (boot.ini, anyone?).
Fixing the overview but shouldn't be that hard. If they don't fix it on this patch, then someone should be fired in my opinion.
Eve is a great game, but CCP are a bad company. Their quality-control stinks, and their PR isn't much better.
Fix the overview bug.
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Jokster
Mining Security Group
Empire Research
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Posted - 2008.04.13 19:27:00 -
[174]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
You can prevent this by visiting your bookmarks before Wednesday, 16 April, and re-create them so that they don't point at containers but rather at coordinates in space (right click in space next to the container and create a bookmark).[/green]
Errr....... you can't right-click in space next to the container to create a bookmark. Or, is that something you are adding in this patch?
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Bellasarius Baxter
Caldari
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.13 19:47:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Jokster
Errr....... you can't right-click in space next to the container to create a bookmark. Or, is that something you are adding in this patch?
I don't see how.... The EVE universe is 3 dimensional, your screen is 2 dimensional, so where on the third axis are you setting the bookmark ??
Maybe I am just not thinking straight, but I cannot see how it can be done..... Anyone ??
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Kiqui
Red.
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Posted - 2008.04.13 20:52:00 -
[176]
* sigh *
You currently make a bookmark of a tin by right clicking the container. Now, to refresh them, just go to the same location, open your people and places window and select 'new bookmark'.
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Kendar Zek
Gallente
Interstellar Aid Society
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Posted - 2008.04.13 21:57:00 -
[177]
Edited by: Kendar Zek on 13/04/2008 21:57:50
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
You can prevent this by visiting your bookmarks before Wednesday, 16 April, and re-create them so that they don't point at containers but rather at coordinates in space (right click in space next to the container and create a bookmark).
As has been mentioned already, this functionality doesn't seem to exist. The only means of creating a bookmark by right-clicking is to right-click an object in space, rather than space itself.
Granted, you can open People & Places (as was also mentioned) and create a bookmark on your current location, but that is neither here nor there. Please clarify the patch note so that people who are new to the game will know how to save their bookmarked locations from the cleanup.
On a side note, this entire thread has given me a fairly warm, fuzzy feeling. Seeing the developers so actively communicating melts my little Intaki heart.
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Owner, Venture Racing Team
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Sunbird Huy
Ardent Industrial
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.13 22:05:00 -
[178]
"Please note: Training a long learning duration skill ending after the scheduled return to service is recommended. "
ehm...
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Sunbird Huy
Ardent Industrial
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.13 22:34:00 -
[179]
Originally by: violator2k5
Edited by: violator2k5 on 13/04/2008 15:29:18
Originally by: Sunbird Huy
This is a LOAD OF CR*P!
INSTEAD OF DOING SOMETHING ON IMPROVING GAME U KEEP NERFING EVERYTHING THAT BECOMES POPULAR TO DO.
U ADDED PREMIUM GRAPHICS. GREAT. NOW 30% PEOPLE CAN'T PLAY GAME ANYMORE.
easy sunbird no need to spit the dummy out m8. I'm in the same boat as you and can understand the issues your facing but to emo rage like that, meh. as they say patience is a vitue and what were endure at the moment will only make the game that much more enjoyable once they do get off their rears and fix it so that those of us who struggle to play due to poor coding can finally get back in game properly.
i do feel that they should be moving faster to fix it as they've probably had over many dozens of bug reports thrown at them but still as of yet havent found a solution
again, appologies if anyone got offended.
and thx to Bob pilot for stating that I'm not the only one who's tired of floating in the bucket of "the thing they say they deleted my post for"
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Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.13 23:23:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Tawrich Tistrya
I would like to meet the long standing eve players ( 3+ years ) those guys are bound to be extremely virtueous ppl , being patient for all those years to wait and see if lag will ever be fixed...........
i cant comment on wars in 0.0 around then but i can say is there was a time almost 3 years ago it was less laggy to move around in empire without the worry of cue times on gates or getting caught in jita on weekends during its prime time where the system is usually flooded. It was down to ccp's greed of increasing their revenue that put the servers under so much strain.
as for upgrading the servers to do that, i doubt anything new that they could upgrade to would solve that issue. The reason being from a fleet battle perspective is that with less lag more people will get involved thus causing more lag. There have been several cases of this ive seen personally from the so called great war where the system numbers rivaled jita at peak times during weekends.
Originally by: Sunbird Huy
thx to Bob pilot for stating that I'm not the only one who's tired of floating in the bucket of "the thing they say they deleted my post for"
its np, i linked a 19 page thread in a previous post i made here showing that both you and myself are not the only ones experiencing these problems. yet with all the cries about the overview changing and such i believe it will more then likely get over looked
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Sunbird Huy
Ardent Industrial
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.14 01:23:00 -
[181]
signed...
the fact remains, the fleet warfare is the pinnacle of EVE experience... and if u get lagged to death, then wtf's the point? they have been so proudly advertising introduction of the whole fleet/wings thing with option of having several hundreds or even thousands of people in a single fleet. the question comes, if u cannot make your prime product working, why even bother trying to sell it.
One idea that i've had in mind for a long time is actually like this:
1) have them(CCP) add a lot more hardware in their server facility-es... that should directly effect the lagg issues.
2) I have noticed the client for eve to be 5-6 times smaller than most of other MMORPG's. other MMORPG's have no lagg, or very little if any. The lagg problem is probably solved by the amount of data stored on actual users computers, which in turn requires less time and resources to be read every time you enter a system, load environment, and such... For example, I am almost 100% sure that most solar systems in EVE have twin systems by shape, size and content, if not, they must have some similarities with the other systems in the code part and whatever it is called.
I can;t make myself believe that all the stuff i have seen in eve is alltogether few 100 MB in total size...
Please people, please, do something, employ more people(even if it means that you will make a bit less money than you are squeezing out of us atm...), and return the quality that we are paying for with our RL hard earned money.
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Katana Seiko
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.14 01:59:00 -
[182]
I have a question about those bookmarks - when I unanchor the containers and bring them back in, the bookmark still keeps the old place. Why is that different with the cleanup?
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Bellasarius Baxter
Caldari
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.14 06:10:00 -
[183]
Edited by: Bellasarius Baxter on 14/04/2008 06:10:09
Originally by: Kiqui
* sigh *
You currently make a bookmark of a tin by right clicking the container. Now, to refresh them, just go to the same location, open your people and places window and select 'new bookmark'.
Honestly, how the hell can you people criticise the patch when you're obviously either new to the game and/or stupid.
I do not think I was either criticising, nor trolling, merely asking for clearification, which you provided above. I was not aware of the fact that you could do that. Thank you for the info.
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.04.14 07:17:00 -
[184]
Keep up the good work.
Altho I'm still wondering when it will be possible to switch ammo in all guns at same time without needing to right clik on each of them for that. As I understand it was planned to be a bit bigger UI overhaul (with ability to group your modules and some additional keyboard shortcuts) just wondering how the work on that progresses.
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.14 07:53:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Eirlie
Originally by: Kerfira
Once they've crossed the line of leeching data from customers private PC, it'll be SOOOO easy just to add a tiny bit more.... One thing their primary partner MicroSoft would probably be interested in is windows license keys (combined with the home address of the customer). If MS offered a 25% discount on CCP's purchases for that, I wouldn't bet anything that the CCP board wouldn't think that a great thing ($$$ for them).
I had to laugh at this - I can't imagine Microsoft providing programmatic access to their Windows keys - imagine the piracy nightmare they'd have on their hands if that got out and was embedded in some form of malware.
The windows license key is freely available to any program running on the PC.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.14 07:55:00 -
[186]
Btw, overview and other windows dancing around????
You know, that very annoying UI bug that a lot of people are inquiring about and that you are completely ignoring???
Oh well, I suppose the 'Ostrich approach' has to be followed consistently for it to work.....
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.14 10:37:00 -
[187]
Edited by: Poreuomai on 14/04/2008 10:37:25
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Bookmarks may become invalid after Junk in Space Cleanup Program is activated on Wednesday, 16 April.
Thanks for the warning!
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.04.14 11:14:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Patch Notes
A server side exception that cropped up when installing blueprints into mobile laboratories for copying has been fixed.
Would this be related to fixing the mobile labs so the copying slots work for alliance members?
Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
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Alisanos
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.14 11:45:00 -
[189]
Any word on the overview bugs? Please? I dont like moving my overview around everytime I undock, and it's getting annoying.
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Siegemos
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Posted - 2008.04.14 11:53:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Patch Notes
A server side exception that cropped up when installing blueprints into mobile laboratories for copying has been fixed.
Surely it wouldn't take long for you to write a script that converted all these bookmarks to space coordinates for us?
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Siegemos
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Posted - 2008.04.14 12:00:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Candice Bormardin
The same goes for the problem with Alt-Tabbing between accounts.
This worked fine since I started playing the game. NOW every now and them - the screen freezes when I try to Alt-Tab to the other account. Sometimes I can keep hitting keys until I can get one to refresh the screen but often I'm forced to close the application - which means redoing my Fleet joins - when the thing comes back.
Just a handy tip here, the button you want to press to refresh the screen in Esc
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Kel Dario
Amarr
Blue Sky Inc
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Posted - 2008.04.14 14:28:00 -
[192]
Still no extra grid to the poor Crane?
Still no fix to the broken Transport ship bonus?
Will still not be possible to trade with killrights and get a real bounty hunting system in EVE?
Ok, I admit the last one won't probably happen until a bigger expansion, but I can always wish, no?
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.04.14 14:34:00 -
[193]
After further testing it turns out that we cried wolf a bit too early. The Junk in Space Cleanup Program will not make any bookmarks invalid as we previously announced in this news item. We apologize for any confusion this may have caused. |
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clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.14 14:41:00 -
[194]
Well at least the overview issues are sorted. Thanks for the update.
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Neddy Fox
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Posted - 2008.04.14 14:51:00 -
[195]
Originally by: clone 1
Well at least the overview issues are sorted. Thanks for the update.
Is it ?
I've still not seen any serious reply from CCP on this matter.
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clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.14 14:54:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Neddy Fox
Originally by: clone 1
Well at least the overview issues are sorted. Thanks for the update.
Is it ?
I've still not seen any serious reply from CCP on this matter.
Nope, I am just reading what I want to read. I am much happier when I make up the stuff I want to happen.
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2008.04.14 15:46:00 -
[197]
Edited by: CCP Explorer on 14/04/2008 15:46:01
An overview of the Overview: Good news and bad news.
The bad news is that not all issues are fixed in Trinity 1.2 and some are still not fixed internally. But I have been talking to the UI developers today about the need to fix this.
The good news is that some of the issues you have reported have been fixed, either in Trinity 1.2 or internally and will be released in a subsequent update.
Also, for the issues that are still not fixed then there are workarounds. The Selected Items and the Overview windows like to stay together, as they did in Revelations and earlier versions. To avoid them moving around then keep the Selected Items somewhere at the top of the window and the Overview directly underneath. Make sure to not extend the Overview all the way to the bottom of the window since the Drone window and the Fleet Overview will open directly beneath the Overview.
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Posted - 2008.04.14 15:51:00 -
[198]
Edited by: CCP Explorer on 14/04/2008 15:50:55
Originally by: Pottsey
I also dont get it. How do we make none tin bookmarks. Right clicking in space doesnt work
Open People and Places, click Add Bookmark. That will bookmark the 3D coordinate of your current location.
(But the Junk-in-Space program won't delete your container bookmarks since they were already coordinate bookmarks.) |
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clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.14 16:02:00 -
[199]
Edited by: clone 1 on 14/04/2008 16:03:18
I prefer my fiction tbh.
I give up
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Calacheng
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Posted - 2008.04.14 16:08:00 -
[200]
When they said in The Matrix movie "there is no spoon", i think they meant "there is no quality assurance"
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.04.14 16:18:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Katana Seiko
I have a question about those bookmarks - when I unanchor the containers and bring them back in, the bookmark still keeps the old place. Why is that different with the cleanup?
Heh, they just realized that when you right-click a can to make a bookmark, it makes a coordinates bookmark. Probably forgot they added that feature in sometime ago.
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Zaiyo Modi
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Posted - 2008.04.14 16:26:00 -
[202]
There is a difference between shaving your face and cutting your head off. It is awkward to keep reading posts that insist on mocking people, with their ill formed opinions that doesnt make much sense beyond being a whiny or insolent rant.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.04.14 16:26:00 -
[203]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Also, for the issues that are still not fixed then there are workarounds. The Selected Items and the Overview windows like to stay together, as they did in Revelations and earlier versions. To avoid them moving around then keep the Selected Items somewhere at the top of the window and the Overview directly underneath. Make sure to not extend the Overview all the way to the bottom of the window since the Drone window and the Fleet Overview will open directly beneath the Overview.
I do appreciate your patience while we fix the remaining issues.
Yeah, that's been a workaround since the bug has been introduced. However, with the plethora of widescreen monitors about, as well as the lack of screen space with all the windows that we have to keep open, we would really like to move the Selected Items window to top center or the side of the Overview.
Do you know that if I put the Selected Items window at the top center of the screen, when I open the map, the Map Buttons at the top right follow it and attach themselves to the Selected Items window? Actually it doesn't matter where the Selected Items window is, the map buttons will attach themselves to it.
And then, the Overview window may or may not attach itself to the underside of the Selected Items, but the Drone Window always will attach itself to the underside of the Selected Items.
Your bugs are in the code you added to make sure that the map buttons aren't overlapped.
Finally, no more patience. One small apology and no real progress are not sufficient to make up for two weeks of frustration with your buggy client. Fix the Overview, now, not at the next scheduled patch, now, asap. I, for one, will continue to be vocal about it, daily, till fixed.
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reaping miner
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.14 16:30:00 -
[204]
are only serverside issues beiing solved or some clinet issues aswell?
(like extreme FPS drops, alt tab crshes, white/blackscreens?)
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.04.14 17:03:00 -
[205]
Thank you for the update about the Overview Issues.
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.14 17:14:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Letouk Mernel
Finally, no more patience. One small apology and no real progress are not sufficient to make up for two weeks of frustration with your buggy client. Fix the Overview, now, not at the next scheduled patch, now, asap. I, for one, will continue to be vocal about it, daily, till fixed.
Five weeks actually......
The issue is not so much that the windows move around. You can work your way around that.
The main bad, Bad, BAD one is that other windows gets pushed off the screen, making them non-accessible.
Make the 'pin' work, and make it impossible for windows to go off-screen. You'd have something usable then, if not exactly user-friendly.
Not impressed! This has been probably the most-discussed (or at least second) bug introduced 1.1, and it seems it's been almost totally ignored
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Dominatus Crispus
Gallente
Genesis Rising
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Posted - 2008.04.14 17:57:00 -
[207]
Edited by: Dominatus Crispus on 14/04/2008 17:59:57
edit notes: typos...
well tis obvious by now that the overview is fubar...
however, i'm a bit curious of the following:
EXPLOIT FIXES - Several exploit issues have been fixed, making EVE a better world to live in for us all.
i understand you don't want to bring attention to exploits before they are patched, however, will you list the ones you fixed after the release, or will you just maintain you fixed something yet offer no proof what was fixed?
i mean if i tell my boss, "yeah, i fixed that thing", but gave him no other info, i'm not so sure he would be happy about my ability to actually to what i've said i did.
i would really like to know that the "lofty" fleet/war thing has been fixed, and hopefully the overview bug/exploit announced a week or two ago has been corrected...
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PhantomMajor
Minmatar
De-Medusa Industries.
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Posted - 2008.04.14 19:16:00 -
[208]
three things in life are certain, death, taxes and update patches that screw up...
can you say boot.ini !!!!!!!
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.04.14 20:38:00 -
[209]
Edited by: Jurgen Cartis on 14/04/2008 20:41:37
So, when are the Passive Shield Resistance Amplifiers getting unnerfed?
Originally by: Dominatus Crispus
however, i'm a bit curious of the following:
EXPLOIT FIXES - Several exploit issues have been fixed, making EVE a better world to live in for us all.
i understand you don't want to bring attention to exploits before they are patched, however, will you list the ones you fixed after the release, or will you just maintain you fixed something yet offer no proof what was fixed?
i mean if i tell my boss, "yeah, i fixed that thing", but gave him no other info, i'm not so sure he would be happy about my ability to actually to what i've said i did.
i would really like to know that the "lofty" fleet/war thing has been fixed, and hopefully the overview bug/exploit announced a week or two ago has been corrected...
They edit the patchnotes after patches to list the exploits fixed. Check out the Trinity 1.1 patchnotes for example.
I do not believe the Lofty scam has been declared an exploit, though. Pretty sure it's still legal.
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Posted - 2008.04.14 20:48:00 -
[210]
Anyone want to explain what the drones mean???
Drones
* Faction drones have been added as variations of other drones
Faction drones as in Gallente navy ogres?
The only response given yet so far has been from some ignorant person.
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Disteeler
Segunda Fundacion
T e r c i o s
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Posted - 2008.04.14 21:03:00 -
[211]
Still no news from Transgaming about Cedega/Cider wrapped clients patch notes?
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Solostrom
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Posted - 2008.04.14 21:56:00 -
[212]
Edited by: Solostrom on 14/04/2008 21:56:48
Originally by: CCP Explorer
The bad news is that not all issues are fixed in Trinity 1.2 and some are still not fixed internally. But I have been talking to the UI developers today about the need to fix this.
Oh u talked to them today about the need to fix this... as opposed to the last month of days with god only knows how many posts regarding it. So nice of you to be right on top of blatantly obvious bugs!!!
Originally by: CCP Explorer
The good news is that some of the issues you have reported have been fixed, either in Trinity 1.2 or internally and will be released in a subsequent update.
Oh yes that is great news... your working on it. A month wasn't good enough and apparently this subject wasn't worth a whole lot of time.
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Also, for the issues that are still not fixed then there are workarounds. The Selected Items and the Overview windows like to stay together, as they did in Revelations and earlier versions. To avoid them moving around then keep the Selected Items somewhere at the top of the window and the Overview directly underneath. Make sure to not extend the Overview all the way to the bottom of the window since the Drone window and the Fleet Overview will open directly beneath the Overview.
So first you say some of the issues have been fixed and others will be fixed then you give us the precise workaround that indicates that nothing has been fixed. Super!!! WTG! Are you a Dev or a PR Flack?
Originally by: CCP Explorer
I do appreciate your patience while we fix the remaining issues.
I don't have any patience for OBVIOUS *(@#%&#@)(@*# bugs being released into production despite weeks of notice that the bugs existed in TESTING!!! And still NOT FIXED a month later you (*&)@#)@# #@%&()%#@ hacks!
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Posted - 2008.04.14 22:41:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Tzar'rim
Anything on the multiple account/memory problems a lot of us are experiencing? Unless that is fixed with the python upgrade.
Agreed I am willing to bet there are more players over 6 months old running 3 accounts than 1. This issue is a real pain.
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C C P
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Posted - 2008.04.14 23:06:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Anyone want to explain what the drones mean???
Drones
* Faction drones have been added as variations of other drones
Faction drones as in Gallente navy ogres?
The only response given yet so far has been from some ignorant person.
No, not Gallente Navy Ogres, but the 'Augmented' and 'Integrated' drones that were introduced a while back. They will show up under the relevant variation tab.
This means if you info an Acolyte I, you will see listed under the variations tab 'Augmented' Acolyte, 'Integrated' Acolyte and Acolyte II.
This functionality is the same as all other variation tabs, and has nothing to do with any other drones, which would be an issue for Game Design
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Danaka
Gallente
Brotherhood of Mithra
Cold Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.14 23:38:00 -
[215]
Will the clean up fix remove all of those useless cans in the Ice fields?
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Posted - 2008.04.15 00:17:00 -
[216]
Quote:
In an effort to prepare for future graphics projects we are collecting information about graphics cards. This will allow us to better target the hardware of EVE's player base.
So just out of curiosity, how many people would let CCP employees into the house to take pictures of the contents of their closets, or write down what food they have in their fridge?
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.04.15 02:33:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Kyogaden
So just out of curiosity, how many people would let CCP employees into the house to take pictures of the contents of your closets, or write down what food you have in your fridge?
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Posted - 2008.04.15 04:37:00 -
[218]
Quote:
They already got the logs of your 'roleplaying' sessions with the Achura female you paid 10M isk to... Why would you even care about them knowing your graphics card type?
LIES, she was there before I got there. Whereever there is. Hey, how about that weather..
Point is, they have no right to know. License agreements can read any which way they like, but they don't trump legislation.
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Newbear
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Posted - 2008.04.15 06:07:00 -
[219]
Is CCP trying to put me out of business?
"Structures requiring sovereignty to be onlined now require sovereignty or they will be offlined, thus if the sovereignty is lost these structures will become offline."
Does this apply to towers in hi-sec and all the corporations I've anchored towers for? I am hoping there is a loophole since towers require faction standings to be anchored, and the above quote uses the terms 'sovereignty' and 'offline', I hope this does not apply to my service intentionally or unintentionally.
Click here for my High Security POS Service
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.04.15 06:41:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Newbear
Is CCP trying to put me out of business?
"Structures requiring sovereignty to be onlined now require sovereignty or they will be offlined, thus if the sovereignty is lost these structures will become offline."
Does this apply to towers in hi-sec and all the corporations I've anchored towers for? I am hoping there is a loophole since towers require faction standings to be anchored, and the above quote uses the terms 'sovereignty' and 'offline', I hope this does not apply to my service intentionally or unintentionally.
No. Faction standings and Sovereignty are two entirely different mechanics. In fact, since standings only matter in highsec/0.4 and Sovereignty is 0.0 only, they literally cannot coexist.
This means that if A puts up a cyno jammer and B steals sov without downing that jammer somehow, A's cyno jammer will go offline because they don't have the sov to turn it on any more. It also applies to other Sov requiring structures.
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Posted - 2008.04.15 09:14:00 -
[221]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Anyone want to explain what the drones mean???
Drones
* Faction drones have been added as variations of other drones
Faction drones as in Gallente navy ogres?
The only response given yet so far has been from some ignorant person.
No, not Gallente Navy Ogres, but the 'Augmented' and 'Integrated' drones that were introduced a while back. They will show up under the relevant variation tab.
This means if you info an Acolyte I, you will see listed under the variations tab 'Augmented' Acolyte, 'Integrated' Acolyte and Acolyte II.
This functionality is the same as all other variation tabs, and has nothing to do with any other drones, which would be an issue for Game Design
so nothing new just a meaningless UI sort of thing? BAH!
Dont make me start the chanting... "we want faction drones. we want faction drones."
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Izo Azlion
Ataraxia.
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Posted - 2008.04.15 09:28:00 -
[222]
Alt Button?
EVE staying minimized on most peoples machines if they alt-tab out for any length of time?
Or are these features?
Izo Azlion.
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Aspenb0y
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Posted - 2008.04.15 09:33:00 -
[223]
So let me get this straight: Hundreds of complaints about the ALT key, finally ended with THIS post by Tuxford, only to have the patch NOT address the issue?
And instead we get the view from Explorer that
"Regarding the Alt key, I refer you to a post from CCP Tuxford. My personal view is that using overview tabs and Alt+Z work really nicely to switch between current bracket filtering and showing all brackets (note, you need to save an overview setting to a tab). I know that not everyone agrees and we will do another iteration."
You REFER ME TO THE POST FROM TUXFORD? In which he says it will be put back in, or made to work, but that he doesn't want to explain it? You'll do it in ANOTHER ITERATION?
At what point would someone LIKE to take the time to address an issue that hundreds of people (including me, who has never once except for this issue complained about something)?
Pretty please, with sugar on top, and when your poor precious heads don't hurt - explain to me why my ALT key can't function at the remarkably high level it once did.
I don't take "well I like the way things work now" as a suitable answer to hundreds of complaints for over a month when you've already quieted the herd with "we'll fix it"
I swear I've never complained on these forums about a single CCP patch, bug, etc. But these flippant responses to issues that have been driving your client base raving mad for a month drive me UP. THE. WALL.
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2008.04.15 11:27:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Aspenb0y
So let me get this straight: Hundreds of complaints about the ALT key, finally ended with THIS post by Tuxford, only to have the patch NOT address the issue?
That post was made how many days before the path? You want them to postpone the whole patch a month or more to get this single fix in?
I think it obvious from his post that they haven't even figured out the fix would work in their new system, much less implemented and tested it enough for release.
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Burrito Sabanero
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Posted - 2008.04.15 11:45:00 -
[225]
Does this patch make automatically a safety copy of my boot.ini or Do I have to do it on my own again ? If it's not a build-In-feature, then this can be a feature request for the next installer-version ;)
I didn't read all 8 pages, but I noticed, that many people were already asking about the bug with fleet windows etc., but every statement of CCP inside this thread seems to dodge it... Can't you guys make a statement. This bug really ****es me off, and as it seems, not only me.
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.04.15 12:12:00 -
[226]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Anyone want to explain what the drones mean???
Drones
* Faction drones have been added as variations of other drones
Faction drones as in Gallente navy ogres?
The only response given yet so far has been from some ignorant person.
No, not Gallente Navy Ogres, but the 'Augmented' and 'Integrated' drones that were introduced a while back. They will show up under the relevant variation tab.
This means if you info an Acolyte I, you will see listed under the variations tab 'Augmented' Acolyte, 'Integrated' Acolyte and Acolyte II.
This functionality is the same as all other variation tabs, and has nothing to do with any other drones, which would be an issue for Game Design
I'm just looking at the thing again and it certainly seems an odd way to state this.
Faction drones have been added as variations of other drones
It would make more sense to say "Faction drones have been added to the variation tab for other drones" |
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.04.15 12:13:00 -
[227]
The following has been added to the patch notes:
Mac
- Added ability to turn on tracing similar to existing Linux functionality, so that Mac ISD Bug Hunter volunteers and normal users willing to help out track down problems, can provide extra useful information when using the bug report system.
- Several stability issues were fixed, resulting in better client stability and experience for everyone.
- Fixed the graphics for the Cargo Capacity indicator.
- Fixed an issue where the in-game clock would start accelerating out of control resulting in forced client restart and destruction the client settings.
Linux
- Added better voice capture re-sampling support to get voice input working with more microphones under ALSA.
- Several stability issues were fixed, resulting in better client stability and experience for everyone.
- Fixed issues with “open browser” links (such as when the autopatcher refer you to manual patching).
- Fixed several issues where the client would hang instead of restart after changing various settings.
- Fixed the Cargo Capacity indicator.
- Fixed an issue where the client would hang when clicking the Log off button on the ESC menu.
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Shasz
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Posted - 2008.04.15 12:15:00 -
[228]
I havne't been playing EVE all that long, but I know the game has been around for years. My friend, whom I talked into playing with me, and myself find the level of quality in patching and bugfixing pretty low considering how mature this game is.
Often a patch seems to go untested before implementation and causes 'unforseen' issues. Being a software developer myself, I can see where resources might be limited and a complete duplicate system to test deployment on might be out of reach, but this really happens more often than it should I think.
But now I get to see how you address an unintended bug introduced by a previous patch: the overview bug(s) and its associated UI repercussions. Not only does this bug seem to go unnoticed by some customer support for over a month, but it goes completely unaddressed in the patch apparently as well. This is a UI bug, it affects how your users interact with the game. It is in our face every time we undock! How did this not make anyones high priority list for over a month and not make it into an emergency fix, let alone not even make the next regular patch??
Reading further in the posts, it seems this bug was even known to exist on the test server, but yet the code still made it to live release. WHY? HOW? Do you not have any QA standards that would prevent this?
I'm quite disappointed, and almost wish I hadn't started my 2nd account, but I absolutely love the game. I just wish a little more priority was given to *not* breaking the game when you try to introduce new features. |
Tomash Kovahlsky
Polish Task Forces
C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.04.15 12:33:00 -
[229]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Edited by: CCP Explorer on 14/04/2008 15:46:01
An overview of the Overview: Good news and bad news.
The bad news is that not all issues are fixed in Trinity 1.2 and some are still not fixed internally. But I have been talking to the UI developers today about the need to fix this.
The good news is that some of the issues you have reported have been fixed, either in Trinity 1.2 or internally and will be released in a subsequent update.
Also, for the issues that are still not fixed then there are workarounds. The Selected Items and the Overview windows like to stay together, as they did in Revelations and earlier versions. To avoid them moving around then keep the Selected Items somewhere at the top of the window and the Overview directly underneath. Make sure to not extend the Overview all the way to the bottom of the window since the Drone window and the Fleet Overview will open directly beneath the Overview.
I do appreciate your patience while we fix the remaining issues.
Regarding your post that I've quoted, I have the "Selected Items" window placed in the upper right corner of the screen and directly beneath it the "Overview" window, yet the Overview still jumps to the upper left corner of the screen after each undock.
This started to happen after I have merged the "Broadcasts" window with my "Local channel" and "People&Places" windows (placed in the upper left part of the screen), and the "Fleet" and "Drones" windows with the "Selected Items" window (placed in the upper right, as I wrote before). Unmerging the windows didn't help.
Besides the jumping "Overview" window, there is one more thing - the sequence of the merged windows tabs (with the Selected Items window) is random after each undock (would be nice it the "Selected Items" was the one "active" after undock).
It would be really nice, if this issue would be resolved ASAP by your UI team.
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Fast Learner
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Posted - 2008.04.15 12:50:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Thathys
Originally by: Mortok Tristan
Originally by: laurazine
/this
Quote:
In an effort to prepare for future graphics projects we are collecting information about graphics cards. This will allow us to better target the hardware of EVE's player base.
Quote:
Folks, whatever you, DO NOT START TO INSTALL SPYWARE ON MY PC!
If you want some info, fine. Ask for it as every polite and well-behaved person would do. But don't join the path of Sony and other rogue companies who tried that before. You know where that ended: lots of bad press and a class law suit.
More information as to how your going to collect the info and what exact info you will be collecting is certainly in order. Having a fill in the answers or a voluntary one time scan that tells you all that is collected and gives you a copy in a txt file is reasonable, automatic with no way of knowing what or how often your collecting is unreasonable.
from the eula you accepted:
D. Software Updates
CCP may from time to time update or otherwise modify the Software electronically. You hereby grant CCP permission to: (i) extract hardware system profile data from your computer; (ii) extract information from your computer's file directories pertaining to the Game and your ability to access the System; (iii) download to your computer content and Game files and any data related to the operation of the Game. The foregoing applies to any computer from which you log into the System using your Account.
Is this a Joke???? Will we get compensated for our time if we don't want to continue playing due to this unlawfull crap!!??
Wait... [(ii) extract information from your computer's file directories pertaining to the Game and your ability to access the System;] my bank account balance and tax refund information have some bearing on my access to the game. CCP's EULA gives them the right to check my bank account balance? How about my bandwidth, and what I have taking it up? Gonna snoop my torrents too?
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Fast Learner
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Posted - 2008.04.15 12:59:00 -
[231]
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Edited by: CCP Explorer on 14/04/2008 15:46:01
An overview of the Overview: Good news and bad news.
The bad news is that not all issues are fixed in Trinity 1.2 and some are still not fixed internally. But I have been talking to the UI developers today about the need to fix this.
The good news is that some of the issues you have reported have been fixed, either in Trinity 1.2 or internally and will be released in a subsequent update.
Also, for the issues that are still not fixed then there are workarounds. The Selected Items and the Overview windows like to stay together, as they did in Revelations and earlier versions. To avoid them moving around then keep the Selected Items somewhere at the top of the window and the Overview directly underneath. Make sure to not extend the Overview all the way to the bottom of the window since the Drone window and the Fleet Overview will open directly beneath the Overview.
I do appreciate your patience while we fix the remaining issues.
I have played my whole EVE life with my selected items UNDERNEATH my overview, and now you are telling me to stop because you broke it and can't fix it?
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Wechsler Halleck
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Posted - 2008.04.15 13:25:00 -
[232]
Originally by: CCP Saint
Fixed an issue where the in-game clock would start accelerating out of control resulting in forced client restart and destruction the client settings.
Hoorah. That one was starting to do my nut.
Can you tell us what on earth (or wherever) was causing it, from a curious coder's viewpoint?
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.04.15 13:43:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Shasz
But now I get to see how you address an unintended bug introduced by a previous patch: the overview bug(s) and its associated UI repercussions. Not only does this bug seem to go unnoticed by some customer support for over a month, but it goes completely unaddressed in the patch apparently as well. This is a UI bug, it affects how your users interact with the game. It is in our face every time we undock! How did this not make anyones high priority list for over a month and not make it into an emergency fix, let alone not even make the next regular patch??
Reading further in the posts, it seems this bug was even known to exist on the test server, but yet the code still made it to live release. WHY? HOW? Do you not have any QA standards that would prevent this?
IMO, it's not a bug, it's an intended feature, and I'm not saying that derisively.
They had an issue they wanted to fix: the map buttons would be covered by the Overview for a lot of people who used the upper right corner. They fixed it by making the Overview windows and the Map Buttons attach themselves and move themselves out of each other's way. It does the job admirably, but it is more annoying to more people than the original issue was. They really don't want to change it back because then the original issue appears again.
CCP, why not put the map buttons in the TOP LEFT corner, right above the System Name and all that text. Have them move the text down, I don't think anyone has anything in that part of the screen. Then remove the code that moves the Overview around.
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.15 13:45:00 -
[234]
CCP has new policy about not specifying exploits and not allowing anyone to talk about them.
I see potential of great abuse here, just potential now. Technically, CCP can declare anything an exploit. For example, they can make it so logging off to avoid combat is now an exploit, they won't tell anyone about it due to new policy, they will just stealth nerf it and keep silent.
Pretty much any game feature can be decided to be an exploit, stealth nerfed, and discussion of the subject forbidden, discussion threads locked, violators banned. This policy is a tool that allows CCP to completely bypass the community.
It's like having secret police, at first it seems like a good idea, but then they take away your liberties, your rights, start random searches and executations, obtain total control of the public by fear.
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Ivar Strahm
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Posted - 2008.04.15 13:54:00 -
[235]
Originally by: CCP Saint
Linux
- Fixed the Cargo Capacity indicator.
I love you.
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Galactic Exploration and Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.15 13:56:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Ephemeron
It's like having secret police, at first it seems like a good idea, but then they take away your liberties, your rights, start random searches and executations, obtain total control of the public by fear.
Yes. It's exactly like that.
Except CCP doesn't control your real life. The most they can do is ruin their own game, which in turn ruins them because they lose profits from their client-base leaving.
In the end, it's a bloody game! If you're fed up with it, leave. Nobody's forcing you to stay.
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Alana Blazing
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:51:00 -
[237]
Edited by: Alana Blazing on 15/04/2008 14:51:53
Originally by: Muscaat
Early patching has broken people's installs before. Really, everyone, there is no need to start patching until they've actually released the client patch... and judging by the extension we're going to be at least an hour away from that point.
Really. Take a look outside... there are "trees" and "clouds" and other non-internet-spaceshippy things... take a walk until CCP are ready. It'll do you good.
Nice idea. Do it normaly. But i just started the client not remebering patch day. So how about ccp only deploys tested patches ? |
Ace Fox
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:52:00 -
[238]
Ok so the patch should download automatically when it's finished? And does anyone know if I can change a skill without being logged on?
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Lucas Avignon
Avignon Associates Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:53:00 -
[239]
Well as long as CCP's QA department make sure every thing is a-ok, I'll wait another 5/6 hours.
Pats his spare boot.ini
.... sig goes here!
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Fayreen
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:53:00 -
[240]
I hope Tranquility gonna work today :)
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padraig animal
Minmatar
MisFunk Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:54:00 -
[241]
so junkspace will be removed ,but it will not cause any invalid bm's ah
sweet let's clean up the trash .... hmm would be better to refine all that stuff instead of yeah what will you guys do whit it ? bio mass it i asume
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shergold
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:54:00 -
[242]
6 minutes to go until another extended downtime.
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Pak Narhoo
Gallente
Pacific Starfleet Command
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:55:00 -
[243]
You're all left in the cold (and probably banned) thats why you can't patch, look its up and running!
http://eve-offline.net/
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No, you cannot have my stuffÖ. |
Jolliejoe
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:55:00 -
[244]
Yet to find a day that CCP actually delivers what they are planning. You guys need some serious reality check on how long patch deployement takes because in each and every occasion you have been totally wrong.. Nice jobs, sU
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shergold
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:55:00 -
[245]
no you cant change a skill without been logged on, and yes when eve is back on it will download automaticly.
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Liddliss Fett
Gallente
NEXUS CLOUD
THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:55:00 -
[246]
CCP Programmer: Uh, sir it's not working.
BigCheese: We'll play with it after we've finished this PacMan Tournament, I WILL WIN!
CCP Programmer: What will we tell these over addicted players of eve?
BigCheese: Loser tells the over addicted players of eve we fail.
Don't flame me, i have family =[
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padraig animal
Minmatar
MisFunk Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:56:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Ace Fox
Ok so the patch should download automatically when it's finished? And does anyone know if I can change a skill without being logged on?
Yup it goes auto and no you can't ,you can only in-game change a skill
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Danica Sunglow
Gallente
Federal Enforcement of the Abyssal Realm
Black Scope Project
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:56:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Lucas Avignon
Pats his spare boot.ini
hahahaaha I think they are like minmatar every one should own at lest 2
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War Kitten
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:56:00 -
[249]
Originally by: BoogieMan82
Wow...
You guys/gals do know it takes TIME to reprogram some issues. I'm sure that they know all these issues, and repeating them 25 times doesn't make it get fixed faster. EVE is a huge game, and doesn't have an unlimited budget, and/or unlimited programmers. So please... QUIT COMPLAINING, you are making me dumber. If you want to complain, why don't you go outside and yell at babies or something. Otherwise when you have an issue, just tell them through the proper channels, and don't QQ about it all day.
Complaining about complaining FTW.
Without feedback, how would CCP know we care about what they broke?
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shergold
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:57:00 -
[250]
"stats updated 51 minutes ago".
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:57:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Danica Sunglow
Originally by: Lucas Avignon
Pats his spare boot.ini
hahahaaha I think they are like minmatar every one should own at lest 2
haha, thoose minmatar jokes never gets old, just like amarr ships.
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Shin Tsun
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:57:00 -
[252]
Originally by: CCP Saint
Tranquility will undergo an extended downtime on Tuesday, 15 April. The start time is 1100 GMT and the length of the downtime is expected to be five hours. During this time, a patch will be applied to Trinity consisting of fixes and improvements.
Patch Notes are now available. Updates to the notes may be added over the weekend as more items are cleared through the Quality Assurance process. These updates will be highlighted with green text. Please keep all patch discussion and feedback in this thread.
Please note: Training a long learning duration skill ending after the scheduled return to service is recommended.
Update #2 2008.04.15: The downtime has been extended with one hour and we expect Tranquility to be back at about 16.00 GMT.
Update 2008.04.15: The following has been added to the patch notes:
Mac
- Added ability to turn on tracing similar to existing Linux functionality, so that Mac ISD Bug Hunter volunteers and normal users willing to help out track down problems, can provide extra useful information when using the bug report system.
- Several stability issues were fixed, resulting in better client stability and experience for everyone.
- Fixed the graphics for the Cargo Capacity indicator.
- Fixed an issue where the in-game clock would start accelerating out of control resulting in forced client restart and destruction the client settings.
Linux
- Added better voice capture re-sampling support to get voice input working with more microphones under ALSA.
- Several stability issues were fixed, resulting in better client stability and experience for everyone.
- Fixed issues with ôopen browserö links (such as when the autopatcher refer you to manual patching).
- Fixed several issues where the client would hang instead of restart after changing various settings.
- Fixed the Cargo Capacity indicator.
- Fixed an issue where the client would hang when clicking the Log off button on the ESC menu.
Update #2 2008.04.14: Please note that we have added one hour to the downtime for deploying this patch, Tranquility is expected to be up at 1500 GMT and not 1400 GMT as originally reported.
Update 2008.04.14: After further testing it turns out that we cried wolf a bit too early. The Junk in Space Cleanup Program will not make any bookmarks invalid. We apologize for any confusion this may have caused.
Update 2008.04.12: As reported in a recent news item, this has been added to the Patch Notes for Trinity 1.2:
Bookmarks may become invalid after Junk in Space Cleanup Program is activated on Wednesday, 16 April.
If you have any bookmarks that were created by right clicking a container in space and selecting "Bookmark location" the bookmark will point to the container ID. When the container is then deleted by the Junk in Space Cleanup Program the bookmark will point to a container which doesn't exist and therefore it becomes invalid. This also affects bookmarks that are copied and transferred between characters, when trying to move them to People & Places the action will fail silently, meaning no error message is displayed.
You can prevent this by visiting your bookmarks before Wednesday, 16 April, and re-create them so that they don't point at containers but rather at coordinates in space (right click in space next to the container and create a bookmark).
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Ace Fox
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Posted - 2008.04.15 14:57:00 -
[253]
I lost several ships trying to warp and getting stuck in junk where I could not warp although it says it's warping but the warping meter just resets. Will this "junk space" fix that.. So far that's the only way I've lost ships which I think is unfair..
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shergold
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:00:00 -
[254]
you mean like getting stuck in a roid field?
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The Valeyard
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:00:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Alana Blazing
Nice idea. Do it normaly. But i just started the client not remebering patch day. So how about ccp only deploys tested patches ?
Don't be an idiot. Do you seriously think they just code patches and apply them without testing?
As anyone that has ever been an early adopter of anything should know, there are always problems that crop up with something new. You can have 100 testers, 1000 testers or 10,000 testers and there will still be unexpected problems. So, why not quit complaining, let CCP do their job and if you want to make a difference, get the hell on to the test server and help the Devs instead of being a *****.
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shergold
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:01:00 -
[256]
eve should be back on now
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Katrian Isgay
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:01:00 -
[257]
Originally by: Wise Seeker
Originally by: Glick
need eve.....craving.....addicted....damn need a time machine to get to 1600gmt....getting the shakes.....aaarrrrgggghhhhh.....
maybe you should get some fresh air. It's been known to do a man good now and again ;)
Fresh air good, just worked nine hours not looking to go run around in the chilly Seattle air right now at 7:58am. Just looking forward to a little game time before sleep time... no worries, Im sure it will be here when I wake up......
On another note, how come I cant figure out a way to get Info under my Character Name and Toon pic on the left, like yours and others?? went through the Character area but dont seem to find a place to edit this... any info?
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Ravant Black
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:01:00 -
[258]
My game wont download the 1.2 patch and I can't find it manualy....
Any body got a good idea?
Regards
Ravant |
Alana Blazing
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:02:00 -
[259]
Originally by: The Valeyard
Originally by: Alana Blazing
Nice idea. Do it normaly. But i just started the client not remebering patch day. So how about ccp only deploys tested patches ?
Don't be an idiot. Do you seriously think they just code patches and apply them without testing?
As anyone that has ever been an early adopter of anything should know, there are always problems that crop up with something new. You can have 100 testers, 1000 testers or 10,000 testers and there will still be unexpected problems. So, why not quit complaining, let CCP do their job and if you want to make a difference, get the hell on to the test server and help the Devs instead of being a *****.
You mean like the boot.ini patch ? Nice testing
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Ace Fox
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:02:00 -
[260]
Originally by: shergold
you mean like getting stuck in a roid field?
that and junk that's scattered everywhere. Not just astroids I've gotten stuck in junk too.
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shergold
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:03:00 -
[261]
yeah, wait until the patch is deployed maybe?
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corebloodbrothers
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:03:00 -
[262]
the sad part is this mornign my wife wanted the comp, so i figure, ah well give her a break.
then when i could have it : omg i forgot patch!!!, so i am without eve now for a long time. My wife and i are gettign to know eachother again even !!!
plz plzz plzz let me back in!!, last 3 times this happened horrible things happened, i am now a father of three kids, , its enough!!!!
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Torn Darkyelph
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:03:00 -
[263]
Originally by: iLD PVLi
I can't download the new patch. Can anyone link it?
I have same problem, and I know that's not my machine or firewall fault
p.s. sorry for wry eanglish language, - I do not speak on, yet )
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Stacia Mei
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:04:00 -
[264]
Originally by: Ravant Black
My game wont download the 1.2 patch and I can't find it manualy....
Any body got a good idea?
Regards
Ravant
Same....
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shergold
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:04:00 -
[265]
THE PATCH HASNT BEEN DEPLOYED YET.
read.
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BoogieMan82
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:04:00 -
[266]
Originally by: War Kitten
Originally by: BoogieMan82
Wow...
You guys/gals do know it takes TIME to reprogram some issues. I'm sure that they know all these issues, and repeating them 25 times doesn't make it get fixed faster. EVE is a huge game, and doesn't have an unlimited budget, and/or unlimited programmers. So please... QUIT COMPLAINING, you are making me dumber. If you want to complain, why don't you go outside and yell at babies or something. Otherwise when you have an issue, just tell them through the proper channels, and don't QQ about it all day.
Complaining about complaining FTW.
Without feedback, how would CCP know we care about what they broke?
"just tell them through the proper channels" L2Read proper channels doesn't mean complaining on this thread.
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Aidia Nestor
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:04:00 -
[267]
Originally by: Wise Seeker
maybe you should get some fresh air. It's been known to do a man good now and again ;)
where can I get this "fresh air"? is it expensive?
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Slorbus Medusa
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:05:00 -
[268]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
The downtime has been extended with one hour and we expect Tranquility to be back at about 16.00 GMT.
This.
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Ace Fox
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:05:00 -
[269]
Originally by: Torn Darkyelph
Originally by: iLD PVLi
I can't download the new patch. Can anyone link it?
I have same problem, and I know that's not my machine or firewall fault
p.s. sorry for wry eanglish language, - I do not speak on, yet )
I'm not sure no one has answered me but I think it's because their still building the patch and I think it will load if you reload the game but wait until people are successfully online and then try.
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rhumbline
Caldari
InNova Tech Inc
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:06:00 -
[270]
Ha ha ha. Patch day and all the whingers are out, some things never change...
Some people will never learn that on these days set looong skill, and don't expect to play seriously until at least next downtime.
What's the betting on the server being up and down more than a nun in a cucumber field?
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Ngwebs Universe
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:06:00 -
[271]
shouuld i need to download a different client? isn't working non mac, it says Version Incompatible....
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shergold
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:06:00 -
[272]
there is going to be another extended downtime notice in a minute.
5 minutes over extended downtime and counting.
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shergold
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:07:00 -
[273]
uh another hour
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Ace Fox
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:07:00 -
[274]
Originally by: Aidia Nestor
Originally by: Wise Seeker
maybe you should get some fresh air. It's been known to do a man good now and again ;)
where can I get this "fresh air"? is it expensive?
I burn peppermint in an infuser and it makes more oxygen in the air somehow..
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shergold
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:07:00 -
[275]
no you dont need to download the client again just wait for the patch.
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Ravant Black
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:07:00 -
[276]
Thanks...
When is that expected to be then....
"where i am the clock is a hour past 16" live in a GMT +1 land so it 17:05.
Regards
Ravant
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Ngwebs Universe
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:08:00 -
[277]
ok..thanks
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Danica Sunglow
Gallente
Federal Enforcement of the Abyssal Realm
Black Scope Project
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:09:00 -
[278]
Originally by: shergold
there is going to be another extended downtime notice in a minute.
5 minutes over extended downtime and counting.
look up a few post time was extended to 16:00
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Ace Fox
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:09:00 -
[279]
Originally by: rhumbline
Ha ha ha. Patch day and all the whingers are out, some things never change...
Some people will never learn that on these days set looong skill, and don't expect to play seriously until at least next downtime.
What's the betting on the server being up and down more than a nun in a cucumber field?
I woulnd't call confusion whinners... I ask a ligitamate question in a friendly way and I'm just saying no one answered me so I don't know.
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shergold
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:09:00 -
[280]
Edited by: shergold on 15/04/2008 15:10:18
Edited by: shergold on 15/04/2008 15:09:48
ravant, the game will be back at 18:00 in your time
17:00 in britain
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Ngwebs Universe
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:10:00 -
[281]
but how do we will see the updates into the client wiout patching it?
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Liddliss Fett
Gallente
NEXUS CLOUD
THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:11:00 -
[282]
Edited by: Liddliss Fett on 15/04/2008 15:11:19
A WoW player just Lol'd at me when i said "CCP" =[
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Ace Fox
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:11:00 -
[283]
Originally by: shergold
no you dont need to download the client again just wait for the patch.
So in plain english it will just download by itself? I'm new so I'm just asking as I've never downloaded a patch so if there's somewhere we need to get the patch we need to know the location of it.. Just a question folks...
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AntiLPn
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:11:00 -
[284]
here is gmt time ...... http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fullscreen.html?n=211
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shergold
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:11:00 -
[285]
what do you mean?
no one cant get on the game until the patch is working.
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G Eisenhorn
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:11:00 -
[286]
just fired up client at 16.09 bst. incompatable vesion, no option to update.
prob just a small delay i hope.
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shergold
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:12:00 -
[287]
no you dont need to download manually it does it automaticly.
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Albex
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:12:00 -
[288]
Arg, the delays. Evemon is reading 19 pilots online though, so CCP must me in there flying around and checking stuff... Fingers crossed:-)
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shergold
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:12:00 -
[289]
Edited by: shergold on 15/04/2008 15:13:09
Edited by: shergold on 15/04/2008 15:12:49
no not a small delay, another hour mate.
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Echo Vector
The Wild Bunch
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:13:00 -
[290]
Originally by: Aidia Nestor
Originally by: Wise Seeker
maybe you should get some fresh air. It's been known to do a man good now and again ;)
where can I get this "fresh air"? is it expensive?
They get it with a huge Vacuum Cleaner orbiting Druidia............I hear it's getting expensive, though.....
Something to do with President Skroob and a secretary under his desk...........
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Ravant Black
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:14:00 -
[291]
There is something that I don't understand... (There are lots of things I don't understand : ))
When logging in this morning it said that the sever down time was from 11:00 to 15:00....
Thats 12:00 to 16:00 my time... What U'r telling me is that the sever's downtime has been prolongede with 2 hours??? until 17:00 GMT
Kind regards
Ravant
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Rhaven
Fatalix Inc.
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:14:00 -
[292]
Originally by: G Eisenhorn
just fired up client at 16.09 bst. incompatable vesion, no option to update.
prob just a small delay i hope.
^^^^^^^^^ look at the time of your post it is only 1500 GMT
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Muscaat
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:14:00 -
[293]
Originally by: Ace Fox
Originally by: shergold
no you dont need to download the client again just wait for the patch.
So in plain english it will just download by itself? I'm new so I'm just asking as I've never downloaded a patch so if there's somewhere we need to get the patch we need to know the location of it.. Just a question folks...
When you start the client (NOT YET! IS NOT READY YET!) you'll get a message saying "There is a new build available. Download now?" to which you will say "Yes". It will download and then you'll be told "The auto-patching process is about to begin".
To everyone else:
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/ for those without Timezones trained to level 2. Current ETA, as the topic suggests, is 1600 GMT.
The patch is not deployed yet.
Le patch n'est pas encore dTployTe.
Der Patch ist noch nicht implementiert.
заплатки не развернуты еще.
배치 안에 패치가 아직은.
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shergold
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:14:00 -
[294]
Edited by: shergold on 15/04/2008 15:15:26
yes, until 17 GMT +1.
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Rhaven
Fatalix Inc.
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:15:00 -
[295]
Originally by: Ravant Black
There is something that I don't understand... (There are lots of things I don't understand : ))
When logging in this morning it said that the sever down time was from 11:00 to 15:00....
Thats 12:00 to 16:00 my time... What U'r telling me is that the sever's downtime has been prolongede with 2 hours??? until 17:00 GMT
Kind regards
Ravant
Yes it has been extended an extra hour.
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Albex
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:15:00 -
[296]
Eh, nope, its 16:18 GMT right now. I should know, living in it an all:-)
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AntiLPn
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:16:00 -
[297]
Originally by: Albex
Eh, nope, its 16:18 GMT right now. I should know, living in it an all:-)
its 15:15 GMT
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Wid'w M'ker
Amarr
MotorSaikol LadrUNZ
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:16:00 -
[298]
My clock set 17.14, I'm GMT +1 and my Evemon says there are 19 pilots online and growing... yet my client would not give me the chance to download the patch... c'mon CCP upload a link somewhere. Thanks
Wid.
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shergold
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:16:00 -
[299]
rhaven.... the forum is GMT, it doesnt mean his time is.
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shergold
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:17:00 -
[300]
EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT TIMES SO THERE IS NO RIGHT TIME -.- lol
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Thyger
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:17:00 -
[301]
Need patch xD !!!
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Ace Fox
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:17:00 -
[302]
I don't mind the wait. I used to be a trucker and can outwait anyone. I just think some of you are **** because you know what I'm asking and you won't anwser my question. I guess it's your way of creating friction. Anyway that doesn't get you anywhere in life people it might make your fragile ego feel better but inside your weak.
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Ellatan
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:18:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Muscaat
The patch is not deployed yet.
Le patch n'est pas encore dTployTe.
Der Patch ist noch nicht implementiert.
заплатки не развернуты еще. - priceless almost as good as our russian localization
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Albex
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:18:00 -
[304]
Heh, mental. DST means that I don't live in GMT right now, but do for the rest of the year. The things you take for granted that turn out to be wrong, eh? Right now it's not actually Greenwich Mean Time in the village of Greenwich for which the time zone is named. Mental!
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Rhaven
Fatalix Inc.
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:18:00 -
[305]
Originally by: Albex
Eh, nope, its 16:18 GMT right now. I should know, living in it an all:-)
you are on BST not GMT atm tehn EVE doesn't adjust for DST like a fedw places do .
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shergold
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:18:00 -
[306]
ace... what are you talking about?
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Ravant Black
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:18:00 -
[307]
OK
Thanks GUY'S or GIRL'S one can never know.... :)
Nice chating with U.
Regards
Ravant
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rhumbline
Caldari
InNova Tech Inc
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:18:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Albex
Eh, nope, its 16:18 GMT right now. I should know, living in it an all:-)
Clocks went forward an hour a few weeks ago, you probably on British Summer time no?
GMT or UT (Universal time co-ordinated) is 15:17 as i type this.
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Hypan
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:18:00 -
[309]
Originally by: Albex
Eh, nope, its 16:18 GMT right now. I should know, living in it an all:-)
its actually 15.18 gmt and 16.18 bst
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Canderous Shaw
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:19:00 -
[310]
guys, don't forget we have the daylight savings and EVE servers somehow does not have them.
So, when they say 16GMT, it is 17 british time (+1 daylight savings) and 18 central european time (+1 because of timezone and +1 because of daylight savings).
Learn to count :)
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Jay Ay
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:19:00 -
[311]
Originally by: Mad Mackem
oh well more skill time lost.
What sort of idiot doesn't set a long training skill on patch day!? You've only got yourself to blame for lost skill time.
I'd appreciate it if the guys asking how to download the patch would let me know whereabouts they fly. You're obviously terminally stupid and I want some easy kills.
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Zettembrini
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:20:00 -
[312]
For all Europeans (including me), who think they are in GMT+1, you forgot Daylight saving time, so you're in GMT +2 currently.
Standard time zone:UTC/GMT +1 hour
Daylight saving time:+1 hour
Current time zone offset:UTC/GMT +2 hours
Time zone abbreviation:CEST - Central European Summer Time
Patch will be deployed 16 GMT +2 = 18.00
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Pizzutz
Gallente
SHAPE
S.H.A.P.E.
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:20:00 -
[313]
Wow, Daylight savings time really confuses some people. I particularly like the "I should know, I'm living in it" comment from the guy in GMT +1
lol
Pizzutz - SHAPE Personnel Manager
Pizzitz - SHAPE Research Director
Pizzotz - SHAPE Employee |
Rramar Claime
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:20:00 -
[314]
Edited by: Rramar Claime on 15/04/2008 15:21:27
Originally by: Jay Ay
What sort of idiot doesn't set a long training skill on patch day!? You've only got yourself to blame for lost skill time.
I'd appreciate it if the guys asking how to download the patch would let me know whereabouts they fly. You're obviously terminally stupid and I want some easy kills.
:D
this
smiley edit
"I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day, when he said; 'Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?' Grandpa said, 'No, but I served in a company of heroes." |
Rhaven
Fatalix Inc.
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:20:00 -
[315]
Originally by: shergold
EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT TIMES SO THERE IS NO RIGHT TIME -.- lol
Yea but the time on the forums is the right time to go with for EVE during down time ect.
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Albex
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:21:00 -
[316]
Yep, you guys are dead right. I'm living in BST, which I didn't even realise existed. I just figured the whole world worked the way this country does, which is of course stupid. I live in Ireland which, along with the UK, does indeed follow BST, and yes, the clocks went forward a few weeks back. Weird that Greenwich Village doesn't follow Greenwich mean time; I mean, they named the timezone after them, you think it's the least they could do:-)
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Jare Tzard
Gallente
Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:21:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Wid'w M'ker
My clock set 17.14, I'm GMT +1
Erm... that's GMT +2.
Do a google for GMT and you'll find that current GMT time is 15:20.
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Jolliejoe
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:21:00 -
[318]
CCP has no knowledge about timezones... they generally **** up with that.. Someone teach them okay!!!
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Ravant Black
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:21:00 -
[319]
RE: Skill traning
Some play it safe and some don't
App. I din't *L*
Regards
Ravant
PS
There is nothing to do about it so *L* instead
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Albex
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:22:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Pizzutz
Wow, Daylight savings time really confuses some people. I particularly like the "I should know, I'm living in it" comment from the guy in GMT +1
lol
And yes, I feel pretty stupid:-) Ah well, can't win 'em all:-)
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Ace Fox
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:23:00 -
[321]
Edited by: Ace Fox on 15/04/2008 15:23:45
Originally by: shergold
ace... what are you talking about?
I asked how does the patch download I know it's not ready ok?
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Liddliss Fett
Gallente
NEXUS CLOUD
THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:23:00 -
[322]
Edited by: Liddliss Fett on 15/04/2008 15:25:30
Originally by: Jay Ay
Originally by: Mad Mackem
oh well more skill time lost.
What sort of idiot doesn't set a long training skill on patch day!? You've only got yourself to blame for lost skill time.
I'd appreciate it if the guys asking how to download the patch would let me know whereabouts they fly. You're obviously terminally stupid and I want some easy kills.
If we did that every time before DT or patching, we would end up with skills at 4%, 15% or w/e "Depending on rank of course" on skills we don't plan to train for another month or so, it's just a waste of SP and you're skills are full of bars with huge contrasts.
It's up to you if you wish to risk it.
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Ravant Black
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:24:00 -
[323]
To: ACE
Auto download. My dear friend, auto.
I feal U pain.
Regards
Ravant
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Zenna La'tina
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:24:00 -
[324]
I hope this means I'll be able to play both my accounts at the same time on the same PC without one or both locking up. Never happened before the last NO NERF patch.....
Zenna
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kaschka
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:24:00 -
[325]
well im holding a booky for 1 isk will it be 8 or 9 hours over the eta?
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Katrian Isgay
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:25:00 -
[326]
Originally by: Jay Ay
Originally by: Mad Mackem
oh well more skill time lost.
What sort of idiot doesn't set a long training skill on patch day!? You've only got yourself to blame for lost skill time.
I'd appreciate it if the guys asking how to download the patch would let me know whereabouts they fly. You're obviously terminally stupid and I want some easy kills.
and I actually didn't know about the patch being deployed today- since I logged yesterday sometime around 6pm PST... but I think my skills are fine and still training... =)
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War Kitten
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:26:00 -
[327]
Originally by: Liddliss Fett
If we did that every time before DT, we would end up with skills at 4%, 15% or w/e "Depending on rank of course" on skills we don't plan to train for another month or so, it's just a waste of SP and you're skills are full of bars with huge contrasts.
Waste of SP for something you will train eventually later... versus losing training time entirely? I'll take the "wasted" time spent training a longer skill, thanks!
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BullMastiff
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:26:00 -
[328]
JESUS CHRIST INCOMPATIBLE VERSION AGAIN I HATE THIS GAME SOMETIMES
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Ace Fox
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:26:00 -
[329]
Some of us have a life outside this game. That said I don't have time to spend on training my characters as more important things in life. The question is what kind of idiot puts this game above their own life. Don't bother answering we know who..
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Jasen Korr
Gallente
Redstar Force LTD
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:27:00 -
[330]
I live in Eastern Europe, and due to DST, 1600 GMT translates to 1900 local time, still 35 minutes to wait :)
Quick quote from Qui-Gon Jin: "We shall be patient"
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xhairy
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:28:00 -
[331]
Edited by: xhairy on 15/04/2008 15:30:48
this all great stuff ...nice to know the planets can effect the game ...or the fps anyway...but here it is almost a half hour past the patch deployment time ...???
ok i think my clock is wrong .......its 8:30 at post time am
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Ravant Black
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:28:00 -
[332]
I hope that I have a life outside the game can't figure out how else I'd be able to play it...
Regards
Ravant
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Ravant Black
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:29:00 -
[333]
The min are the same for us all...............
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Zey Nadar
Gallente
Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem
Einherjar Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:29:00 -
[334]
Originally by: Torn Darkyelph
Originally by: iLD PVLi
I can't download the new patch. Can anyone link it?
I have same problem, and I know that's not my machine or firewall fault
p.s. sorry for wry eanglish language, - I do not speak on, yet )
If the servers are up atm, I cant get there. Client says incompatible version, and is not auto-downloading anything. What to do?
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Rhaven
Fatalix Inc.
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:29:00 -
[335]
Originally by: Katrian Is***
Originally by: Jay Ay
Originally by: Mad Mackem
oh well more skill time lost.
What sort of idiot doesn't set a long training skill on patch day!? You've only got yourself to blame for lost skill time.
I'd appreciate it if the guys asking how to download the patch would let me know whereabouts they fly. You're obviously terminally stupid and I want some easy kills.
and I actually didn't know about the patch being deployed today- since I logged yesterday sometime around 6pm PST... but I think my skills are fine and still training... =)
Use a program like EVEMON and you cam moniter the skill training out of eve and set up skill plans that will help you get the skills you need to fly ships or use moduales that you wan tto use. and will also tellyou if a skill is goignto finish in a normal down time period.
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Liddliss Fett
Gallente
NEXUS CLOUD
THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:30:00 -
[336]
Originally by: War Kitten
Originally by: Liddliss Fett
If we did that every time before DT, we would end up with skills at 4%, 15% or w/e "Depending on rank of course" on skills we don't plan to train for another month or so, it's just a waste of SP and you're skills are full of bars with huge contrasts.
Waste of SP for something you will train eventually later... versus losing training time entirely? I'll take the "wasted" time spent training a longer skill, thanks!
Lol, but its not gonna help you till you do train it, which may be weeks, months are even longer. So won't be effective till then. : /
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Rhaven
Fatalix Inc.
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:30:00 -
[337]
Originally by: Zey Nadar
Originally by: Torn Darkyelph
Originally by: iLD PVLi
I can't download the new patch. Can anyone link it?
I have same problem, and I know that's not my machine or firewall fault
p.s. sorry for wry eanglish language, - I do not speak on, yet )
If the servers are up atm, I cant get there. Client says incompatible version, and is not auto-downloading anything. What to do?
just wait the autopatcher has not been set up yet for new patch .
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Zey Nadar
Gallente
Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem
Einherjar Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:31:00 -
[338]
Edited by: Zey Nadar on 15/04/2008 15:31:22
Originally by: Liddliss Fett
Lol, but its not gonna help you till you do train it, which may be weeks, months are even longer. So won't be effective till then. : /
When you do learn it, you have saved the learning time spent now. Whichever way to look at it, its better to learn something rather than nothing.
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Ravant Black
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:31:00 -
[339]
Edited by: Ravant Black on 15/04/2008 15:33:49
To: Frustatet EVE Online players waiting for the patch.
Patch shoud be ready in 30 ,in or so.
Regards
Ravant
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Darky Elph
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:32:00 -
[340]
Originally by: Albex
Fingers crossed:-)
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Byronis
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:32:00 -
[341]
Edited by: Byronis on 15/04/2008 15:32:33
toes crossed too
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Ravant Black
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:33:00 -
[342]
Scientia est potentia
If U know what this means pls reply...
Ravant
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Nick Bison
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:34:00 -
[343]
Looking forward to the patch deployment.
Should be anytime now.
[fingers and toes crossed] eyes too.
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SlappyBag
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:35:00 -
[344]
Didn't get home intime to set up a skill dag nabit, just finished Learning 4 before the patch.
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Yttria
Caldari
PURE Legion
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:35:00 -
[345]
Edited by: Yttria on 15/04/2008 15:35:36
Quote:
Scientia est potentia
quote]
U ment "scientia potentia est" ...
:P
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Zepher8062
Angels Of Divine Fury
Space Exploration and Logistic Services
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:36:00 -
[346]
Don't Worry. If something happens to the servers after the patch, we will be overjoyed with the amont of hampster jokes :)
Hampster Status:
Number of hampsters: 134
Hunger Status: 97%
Effeciency: 86.5%
Days since last Hampster Death: 17
AODF...Making the Roids Pay for What they Did...
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olebran
Caldari
Faulcon de Lazy
Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:36:00 -
[347]
knowlege is power
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Ace Fox
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:36:00 -
[348]
Originally by: Ravant Black
I hope that I have a life outside the game can't figure out how else I'd be able to play it...
Regards
Ravant
I like this game but it's less enjoyable with the smart mouths. It's great to have the international crowd but I think some have pretty poor attitudes like that of a 3rd world person with no education ect... Even the one's with educations though still have the attitude - that's the sad part. Someone that knows something you don't and they rub it in your face.. That's what I don't like.
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Ravant Black
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:36:00 -
[349]
yes
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Arbourus Vitaemus
Dedicated Insurgents of Eve
Soldiers Of New Eve
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:39:00 -
[350]
Ace WTF are you talking about? What are you trying to find out? Spit it out and I'll answer if I can so you can stop making broad, insulting statements about the international community.
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Ravant Black
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:40:00 -
[351]
Enjoy the samll things in life.
There long between the large ones.
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Ngwebs Universe
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:40:00 -
[352]
Path is ready to donwload on the patch section, i am actually downloading 27MB path for mac.-
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olebran
Caldari
Faulcon de Lazy
Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:40:00 -
[353]
Originally by: Ace Fox
Originally by: olebran
knowlege is power
Depends.. You may have all the knowledge in the world and work at 7-11 or wendy's. Think of great minds like Ghandi..
someone said answer if you know what this means... blah something latin :)
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Zepher8062
Angels Of Divine Fury
Space Exploration and Logistic Services
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:40:00 -
[354]
Edited by: Zepher8062 on 15/04/2008 15:41:10
-I snip myself-
Messed up the post.
/me spanks himself
AODF...Making the Roids Pay for What they Did...
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Ngwebs Universe
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:40:00 -
[355]
sorry, is patch
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SirWOLFE
Caldari
Sphere Systems
TWISTED INFECTION
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:42:00 -
[356]
Dam lost 1m isk bet with someone i said stupidly that the server would be up intime.
Have another 1m isk bet that when the server is back up it wont crash within 2 hours so fingers crossed i might break even
Sig Removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn ([email protected]) |
Schakal Voes
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:43:00 -
[357]
Originally by: Zettembrini
For all Europeans (including me), who think they are in GMT+1, you forgot Daylight saving time, so you're in GMT +2 currently.
Standard time zone:UTC/GMT +1 hour
Daylight saving time:+1 hour
Current time zone offset:UTC/GMT +2 hours
Time zone abbreviation:CEST - Central European Summer Time
Patch will be deployed 16 GMT +2 = 18.00
Wait, where's my calculater?
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Ravant Black
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:43:00 -
[358]
It been fun...
See U all at next patch.
Signing out
Ravant
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Ace Fox
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:45:00 -
[359]
Originally by: Arbourus Vitaemus
Ace WTF are you talking about? What are you trying to find out? Spit it out and I'll answer if I can so you can stop making broad, insulting statements about the international community.
You can't read English or something?
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Big Ajax
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:47:00 -
[360]
Downloaded ze patch manually and applied it. And...the cluster is not accepting connections. I guess it's a matter of minutes now (:
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dragon mouth
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:47:00 -
[361]
patch now available to download patching as i type
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Nick Bison
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:47:00 -
[362]
Edited by: Nick Bison on 15/04/2008 15:47:43
Patch applied without incident.
Standing by for server to accept connections.
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Lucien Lachanse
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:49:00 -
[363]
Edited by: Lucien Lachanse on 15/04/2008 15:49:19
Thank God for that... Its nice to know nothing is going to break this time!
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Candice Bormardin
Caldari
Jouvulen Enterprises Inc.
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:49:00 -
[364]
Ah ... the suspense
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chief stinkybum
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:50:00 -
[365]
Edited by: chief stinkybum on 15/04/2008 15:51:17
are the servers up and running again yet seems like this is gonna be a longer downtime than anticipated huh? seems like it is almost ready but i get this incompatible version notice
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Ace Fox
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ace Fox on 15/04/2008 15:51:59
I was not abusive Arbourus Vitaemus but you are being. I asked a simple question about how the patch is downloaded and that is filed in the thread. There where people in here being abusive to other people asking questions and I think that's rude. Anyway grow up yourself and act civil. This is a game if you want to fight go into a ghetto where there's people of that sort will gladly box with you. Don't call me names over the internet go to some back alley and speak to someone on your level.
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Tarlo Terek
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:51:00 -
[367]
Hopefully they'll be up soon :D
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amagonsan
Minmatar
Suicidal Mercenaries
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: amagonsan on 15/04/2008 15:53:56
Originally by: chief stinkybum
are the servers up and running again yet seems like this is gonna be a longer downtime than anticipated huh?
Check the time on your post, its 15:50, that means 10 whole minutes for them to test the server, and yes its running, but not accepting connections.. meaning QA team are buzy.
I am kinda wondering when the patch-notes are going to be updated, i'm kinda eager to know what "exploits" are fixed (more perticulair if switching ships in space is now shown correctly on the overview again) (it was in the news before).
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Albex
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:53:00 -
[369]
Indeed. You know, from CCP's point of view, we must be like zombies trying to knock down their door:-)
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Kami Nodachi
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:53:00 -
[370]
On tonights episode of "Will it crash?"...
-Minna miteite kure- |
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Gossef
Caldari
Nosferatu Security Foundation
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:53:00 -
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Silly me, I totally forgot it was patchday today so my skill finished half an hour ago^-^.
But even so, I remember reading from the site that the downtime would end at 15.00 GMT (52 minutes ago), but everywhere else it states 16.00 GMT. So I was kinda hoping it would've gone up at 15.00 GMT, but ah well...my own mistake for not reading the site properly before logging off yesterdayevening.
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Ace Fox
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Ace Fox on 15/04/2008 15:55:39
To anyone who is still wondering the patch is downloading if you close eve and restart it. I didn't know that but that's how it works. I didn't think it was such a big question for the senior members but know I know your mentality. Thanks for being so rude.
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Nick Bison
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:55:00 -
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Come on Cluster!
I know you really want to accept my connection.
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Albex
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:55:00 -
[374]
Ace, thats only been true for the last few minutes; up to then it wouldn't have been downloading, I'm fairly sure.
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Thyger
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Posted - 2008.04.15 15:55:00 -
[375]
Patch !
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Banichi Atigieni
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Posted - 2008.04.15 16:01:00 -
[376]
Originally by: Nick Bison
Come on Cluster!
I know you really want to accept my connection.
You gotta buy it dinner first. . .
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Arbourus Vitaemus
Dedicated Insurgents of Eve
Soldiers Of New Eve
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Posted - 2008.04.15 16:01:00 -
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Geez Ace I almost can't believe you're serious. Before I head out to the ghetto to box some other unfortunates I just wanted to note that it's a bit paranoid and a lot ridiculous to think that anyone on this board cares enough about your comings and goings to deliberately taunt or gaslight you. Plus, where did I call names? You accused all foreigners of either being uneducated 3rd world a*holes or elitist, confrontational f*wads. Anyway, off to struggle just to survive in the ghetto, where living is a day to day fight. Fly safe bud, maybe I'll see you around and we can swap stories...or shots, whatever.
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Banichi Atigieni
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Posted - 2008.04.15 16:03:00 -
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SHE'S UP
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Magdovus
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Posted - 2008.04.15 16:03:00 -
[379]
IT LIVES!!!
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Tarlo Terek
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Posted - 2008.04.15 16:03:00 -
[380]
Yay I'm in
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Albex
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Posted - 2008.04.15 16:03:00 -
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See you in hell, thread!
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Nick Bison
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Posted - 2008.04.15 16:03:00 -
[382]
I'm In !!!
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AntiLPn
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Posted - 2008.04.15 16:04:00 -
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Ace Fox
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Posted - 2008.04.15 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Muscaat
Originally by: Ace Fox
Edited by: Ace Fox on 15/04/2008 15:55:39
To anyone who is still wondering the patch is downloading if you close eve and restart it. I didn't know that but that's how it works. I didn't think it was such a big question for the senior members but know I know your mentality. Thanks for being so rude.
Ace Fox, I answered you in this post; though I appreciate you may have missed it among the people being confused by GMT.
didn't see it and I asked way before then and there were some rude remarks although they weren't directed to me I still find it rude when your looking though threads to see the rudeness. I think some of you should grow up but then again some of you might be 14 yr olds or at least have that mentality. Personally I don't use fighting words to people starting up a conversation but perhaps some of you come from that kind of family. I find it unacceptable. Thanks anyway my program is downloading. I pretty much figured it out myself..
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Zaotome
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Posted - 2008.04.15 16:04:00 -
[385]
#27 in line...
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Nick Bison
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Posted - 2008.04.15 16:05:00 -
[386]
Ace ... give it a rest and play the game.
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Torn Darkyelph
Amarr
CosmoFleet of Russia
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Posted - 2008.04.15 16:05:00 -
[387]
Patch will be installed.. Thanks for working, masters. and good luck to all
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