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Avalira Pax Minor Expiscor Pario Addo	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:28:00 - [1] There are a few things that bother me with this rather sly announcement. First thing is that this constitutes a price raise 35% while the announcement seems to try to avoid the very topic by saying it's "To simplify the ETC reseller program and attune our product offerings with industry standards". CCP if you want to raise the prices say so clearly, I hate having to take out my calculator just to see I'm being taken for a ride. Secondly some of us find it useful to buy only a 30-day card or a 90-day card. What was the real reason in removing them? And since when does CCP obey to industry standards? Isn't innovating the way forward? Then why not actually give us more options instead of reducing them, like perhaps 120-day cards? So in short the issue I want to bring to the CSM is: - Have CCP tell us why they are increasing prices, and if this will affect credit card users. - Why remove the 30 & 90 day time codes and at the same time introducing a more expensive option. - Bring them back, even if they have to be at the same price per month as the new prices. And my concerns are that it will negatively impact the player base. It might not seem like a big raise to some but having to pay more might cause players to leave or not subscribe at all. So what are CCP doing to make sure that doesn't happen. I'm apologise if this sounds like a little rant, I just feel CCP could at least have made a more informative news article for something this important. ------------- Selling the following: Probe BPC's ARK JF 4.5b
Cailais VITOC	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:32:00 - [2] I feel its an issue that should at least be raised by the CSM. Supported. VITOC - Amarr Corp for Faction Warfare!
Seiver D'amross Subach-Tech Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:33:00 - [3] Edited by: Seiver D''amross on 22/05/2008 17:38:28 /sign i pay for eve buy GTC ingame and this will raise the ingame prices and make it more diffcult fo those of us that play this way to keep playing. _____________________________________________________ I shal stand tall and shake the heavens with my power
stupid flanders	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:33:00 - [4] Edited by: stupid flanders on 22/05/2008 21:55:56 /signed
Siona Windweaver	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:35:00 - [5] Reason is simple, they are making more (or nearly same) money from GTC sellers (for in-game isk) than actual subscriptions. Anyway, i support an official response to this.
Avalira Pax Minor Expiscor Pario Addo	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:36:00 - [6] Remember when you sign to support the topic by checking "Check here if want to give your support to the idea/discussion going on". (The option is just above your character name) ------------- Selling the following: Probe BPC's ARK JF 4.5b
mynnna GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:38:00 - [7] I've never seen a 60 day timecard as a "standard", nor as the only offered option, anywhere else. ADD 60 day timecards, but don't make them the only option, imo.
Nexus Wolfguard	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:38:00 - [8] Edited by: Nexus Wolfguard on 22/05/2008 18:07:10 Rly odd why the card prices increased, yet the time code prices as far as i can tell stayed the same, as well as the subscription prices. Edit: Apparently the prices pay for travel for the CSM, sounds like a decent cause to me, but I think they need to market their idea into some other kind of fundraiser. Maybe introduce some miniatures into the EVE store. Hm, not bad, going to create a topic on alternate fund raiser ideas. o/
Digital Anarchist	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:40:00 - [9] I agree with the OP, with the contention that CCP be at least more open about its price policies. Stealth hikes are bad for business. ------------------------ This space for rent
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:45:00 - [10] Edited by: Nyphur on 22/05/2008 17:45:12 Supported. I want to see info on why they're really increasing the prices, not the marketing tripe they had wrangler post (and shame on him for posting it) about industry standards and attuning the product range. I don't care what the real reason is, I just want to see it and not some marketing ploy where they put a positive spin on it. Additionally, I'd like to know if CCP have actually examined their market. The players who buy gtcs with isk from other players fall into two categories. The long-term players buy 90d codes when they need them as they represent the best value for money. The short-term players just play EVE on a monthly basis and only raise enough isk to pay for a 30 day code. The new 60 day codes offer neither option - they aren't good value for money and they don't let someone play on a monthly basis or resubscribe if they haven't much isk. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.

shuckstar Hauling hogs CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:46:00 - [11] Edited by: shuckstar on 22/05/2008 17:49:00 Originally by: Avalira There are a few things that bother me with this rather sly announcement. First thing is that this constitutes a price raise 35% while the announcement seems to try to avoid the very topic by saying it's "To simplify the ETC reseller program and attune our product offerings with industry standards". CCP if you want to raise the prices say so clearly, I hate having to take out my calculator just to see I'm being taken for a ride. Secondly some of us find it useful to buy only a 30-day card or a 90-day card. What was the real reason in removing them? And since when does CCP obey to industry standards? Isn't innovating the way forward? Then why not actually give us more options instead of reducing them, like perhaps 120-day cards? So in short the issue I want to bring to the CSM is: - Have CCP tell us why they are increasing prices, and if this will affect credit card users. - Why remove the 30 & 90 day time codes and at the same time introducing a more expensive option. - Bring them back, even if they have to be at the same price per month as the new prices. And my concerns are that it will negatively impact the player base. It might not seem like a big raise to some but having to pay more might cause players to leave or not subscribe at all. So what are CCP doing to make sure that doesn't happen. I'm apologise if this sounds like a little rant, news article for something this I just feel CCP could at least have made a more informative news article for something this important. Yep totally agree, a official response with their reasonings would be great.
Anakin Walkskyer JET FORCE	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:46:00 - [12] I don't even care about this raise in price thing, But giving us only 1 option with which to pay for the game is a joke. Not everyone has a CC that they can use to play so they will be forced to pay larger sums at once. At least keep the 30day AT LEAST. Every MMO I have ever played/seen has a 30day option. I can see this going pretty badly for CCP if/when this follows through.
Saju Somtaaw Amarrian Religious Reformation Society Exalted	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:47:00 - [13] I agree, add the 60Day by all means, but don't get rid of the others in a thinly vailed attempt to raise prices. If you need to raise prices, than come right out and tell us. ---- --- --- My views don't represent those of my corporation or alliance.
Siigari Kitawa The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:50:00 - [14] Posting in a thread involving my real life wallet. CCP please return the 30 days as an option for EVE players. www.siigarikitawa.com
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:56:00 - [15] As someone on a low income I can only agree that I would like this decission reversed and would like to think that the CSm could do somethign about it. However as a purely business choice I cannot see CCP letting the CSM having any input on it. ---
Wadaya Trailerpark Industries	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:56:00 - [16] The price increase isn't the problem, it's the decrease in subscription lengths that is the problem. Since 90% of these Gametime "Cards" in fact are just virtual items, Where is the money loss coming from? Sure as hell aren't saving money on "printing". What they should do is charge a flat $15/month or whatever, hell $20/month is fine. 30 days = $20 60 days = $40 90 days = $60 Wad
zykerx Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.22 17:59:00 - [17] signed . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
w00kie House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:02:00 - [18] bad idea ccp! I want the 30 gtc back!
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:04:00 - [19] I want the 90 day ones back! My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:08:00 - [20] I personally have 8 accounts. That gets quite expensive. Having to drop my money in larger chunks, even if I'm having to do it less often, will likely be a hardship for myself and many others. I really do not see the point in changing the current system. Allowing 60 days makes some sense but the goal should be to INCREASE options, not decrease them. I fail to see how that is a hardship and would welcome a CCP response to perhaps help me understand why it's a problem.

Zareph Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:08:00 - [21] I currently have five different accounts I use the 30d and 90d with either cash or isk to keep running. I'll have zero accounts if this isn't resolved. The lack of the 30d and 90d options scramble the way I play/can afford to play. Most of my TC are cash purchases, not ISK. I don't need some accounts active for more than 30d at a time as I don't need a hauler 23/7 for two months, I need them for a couple of weekend at the most. I don't need my miner character 23/7 for two months as again, I only mine sporadically. however, I keep playing them. With this new method, I won't bother anymore, and I'm not sure if I'll keep playing my last one. You've effectively increased my main's method of play by $78 a year. If that's how you want to do it, I'll forget this game and go find something else. While all answers are replies, not all replies are answers.
Samuel Harrow	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:09:00 - [22] Signed
CaptainOkuna Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:10:00 - [23] I have been paying for my 6 account in this way for about 18 months or so. In that time I have saved a butt load of money, had a butt load of skills trained whilst accounts were inactive, and advised anyone I can get to listen that paying for GTC in dollars is FTW. Yes CCP have tried to dress it up as something else (bringing into line with industry standards), I you and they all know that is just corporate BS, that IS the way the corporate world is. CCP do not exist to give you pleasure it exists to make its shareholders isk; that is to say it is in business to make money, nothing else. No-one likes a price rise, and while I must admit my initial reaction was one of "OMG What!!", I can see that it was a loophole, albeit a loophole that until now CCP hadn't tried to address. So I am firmly against this proposal, I would rather see the CSM spend their time addressing issues that they CAN affect, rather than trying to change CCP's global subscription policy (which I strongly doubt they could do). It's about picking the fights you can win I guess. I'll be accused of being a left-wing radical, a right-wing oppressor and a libertarian libertine. I'll plead guilty to all of the above.
Irdomi	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:13:00 - [24] /signed
Haakelen United Forces	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:16:00 - [25] The problem here isn't the price increase. Supported.
Bald Rikk Shark Infested Custard	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:17:00 - [26] I support this topic. My point of view is that I like flexibility. My main I have running on my credit card, always willdo purely so I know I wil always have an account that I can log into. But GTC I love because of flexibility. I have 3 other accounts and I buy (Either for ISK or cash) a 90 day card per month or drop to a 30 if I'm away for a while etc. IT just... works... for me. What is my point. Choice - that is being taken away from me and in this consumer driven age that is a bad thing. I have no problem with a price rise - it was invevitable but please just call it a price rise and let us keep our choices!
Kilhu Emmek Redshift Industrial	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:22:00 - [27] It's just stupid to do away with options for customers. As much as I hate to think CCP thinks we're that stupid, I can reach no other conclusion than "they did this to mask the price increase." I'm betting they'll "cave to community pressure" and bring back the 30 and 90 day "cards," and maybe even introduce 120 day "cards," but the price increase will still be there, which is just bad business. If you look at the biggest kid on the block, they currently offer three subscription options--one month at $14.99, three months at $13.99, and six months at $12.99. CCP is effectively saying "no, pay more for giving us your money in advance of our services." Penalizing customers who want to give you their money in advance is just mind-blowing dumb. I'd like the CSM to address this by asking CCP why they need to increase subscription fees so much, and whether they're really just trying to drive GTC/ETC resellers out of business, or ... you know, wtf were they thinking, basically. --
Jack Gilligan Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:25:00 - [28] Silence on this is not doing CCP any good. Fess up. My opinions are my own and do not reflect those of my corporation or alliance.
Kwa Kaine eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:27:00 - [29] /Signed, take em to task people! EVE Online Customer Support <- It would be nice if this actually existed.
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:28:00 - [30] I haven't seen anything on this topic except in this board. Can somebody provide a link please? ------------------ Fix the forums!

Allanon Wren Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:28:00 - [31] /signed
Donald Truman	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:35:00 - [32] This might end up proving nothing more than a communications snafu but it sure isn't good customer relations.
Why'dyou HitMe Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:39:00 - [33] agree
Papa Ina GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:54:00 - [34] For obvious reasons signing this.
Quaxtl	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:54:00 - [35] Agree with the original poster. And the 2 month option is going to scare of a lot of new potential subscribers fresh out of the 14 day trial. Honestly, for the life of me, I can't see any reason for removing the 30 day time card.
Zelorise Torchwood Institute	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:55:00 - [36] /signed but i see a big drop in players comming Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein
Djuma Nihilist Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:55:00 - [37] Signed
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:04:00 - [38] Deleting 50- and 100-day cards makes sense. Raising prices doesn't(unless it's in the form of currency harmonization), but I'm hardly surprised when any company does it. Deleting 30-day cards, though, I'm just really confused by - do you want to make it hard for players to join the game? More than doubling the entry cost of the game seems like it's really stupid in the long term. This is just a bizarre announcement in a lot of ways. ------------------ Fix the forums!
Segge Bolled Dirty Sexy Pilots	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:05:00 - [39] After review of the situation ... I'm inclined to call shenanigan's upon the part of CCP. CSM, have at them.
Tolis Irithel Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:05:00 - [40] /signed on grounds of choice-reduction argument. (Price increases, while downright annoying, aren't something I would think could be voted on by those buying the product :))

Akov Stohs Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:06:00 - [41] signed
David Khan The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:06:00 - [42] Supporting this.
Zamemee Stealth.	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:10:00 - [43] /signed
Jake Tyler CompleXion Industries	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:14:00 - [44] /signed
Xorxarle	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:24:00 - [45] It does seem to remove a lot of the flexibility that we previously had which isn't a good thing. Please allow us to have 30, 60 and 90 day GTC.
Mael Duakal Minds Of Space Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:26:00 - [46] I want to have the option of a 30 day GTC!
Akelorian The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:26:00 - [47] Edited by: Akelorian on 22/05/2008 19:27:48 Well I would hate to disagree with you guys on this one. For one, the expansions that have been put into eve cost man hours, They don't charge you for these expansions they are given to you for free. Second look at it this way, 1 30d GTC is 14.95, thus technically a 90d gtc should cost $44.85 not the $38.85 (Loss of 6 bucks) They are increasing the price by a whole $2.50/month with the 60d GTC's, I'm sorry thats two coffee's a month? If you feel that is too heavy on your wallets Sorry, get a credit card pay yearly or just buy them with iskies! Might increase the ingame costs, but shouldn't really affect you. No Credit Card? No problem there is alternative ways to pay for eve, look into it. And Yes Keep 30/90 day GTC's just increase the costs of the 90d and drop the 60d to the respective 30 bucks or w/e to make these people satisfied.
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:27:00 - [48] Frankly I can't think of an mmo that doesn't have a monthly subscription option (that isn't free) and 30 day gtc's are that. Considering that CCP still hasn't got around to sorting out support for mastero cards in europe yet. CSM if your gonna prove yaself useful do it on this issue. ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Kazaux Aux Absolutely No Retreat	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:27:00 - [49] At least don't make it so its a 35 percent increase in price over using 90 day gtcs, 60 day for $29.99 is what it should be at the VERY most
Ice Imolater Department Of Health and Social Security	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:28:00 - [50] I have a feeling that this unwelcome news has been timed to give the CSM candidates a hot topic to present at the upcoming meeting. If CCP partially back down and reintroduce 30 and 90 day GTC's (albeit at the increased price) it will appear that the CSM is working as intended., is this just more PR manipulation?. I for one hope so, I want my 90 day GTC's. 3 accounts here!

Nordhaus Catastrophe - D	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:29:00 - [51] Keep the system the way it was.
Una D Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:29:00 - [52] /signed with 3 accounts
Fantaxy Viagra Lovers	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:31:00 - [53] /signed with 3 accounts
Woolery	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:31:00 - [54] I will probably end up having to cancel my second account because of how much it should add to the isk cost to keep it running.
DarkPlasma Band of Builders Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:35:00 - [55] Edited by: DarkPlasma on 22/05/2008 19:34:51 /signed
OV Marius Core Antum	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:36:00 - [56] /Signed, I don't want to give up my second account before I can make good use of it Quote: Its not my code, how can there be a bug.
Emveedee The Movement Mournival Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:45:00 - [57] /signed Why did you raise the prices in euro's too? :L
Zakgram Atomic Heroes Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:46:00 - [58] Edited by: Zakgram on 22/05/2008 19:46:39 Edited by: Zakgram on 22/05/2008 19:46:08 Problems with dumping the 2nd account: 1. 20 euros to move the primary alt to the main account. According to the FAQ included in char transfer is that this is to "prevent abuse". I call bull since both accounts are registered to the same address and since a 1 euro would give them the same log as 20 euros, this is because they don't want us moving chars around. 2. Ships that require at least 2 people playing, and thus are very difficult to be usable without an alt account at least some of the time since it can be difficult to have real world people on in the systems you need them to be at the time you can be there just to get from one place to another. 3. Moving characters from one account to another can't be done if the character is in a corp. Even if that character is the only person in the corp. More bull from the FAQ about asking other corp members... so to go back to the NPC corp you have to mess around giving corp ownership to yet another alt, then move the char, then move back into the corp. Very untidy. So - by changing the pricing to make GTCs more expensive and thus lots of us dump the 2nd account, you've just made life harder for us. Boo hoo :-) And you can get stuffed next time a "Power of 2" comes along.
Dawn Verragan The Artisan Collective	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:47:00 - [59] 30 day GTCs are a very nice option for people with multiple accounts. I love the ability to do a month on my combat char and then switch to mining again. 60 day intervals would be too long, step aside the increase of cost :(
Felysta Sandorn Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:48:00 - [60] Signed in a big way! Latest Video, Click Here!

Vash Nomet Vanguard Frontiers Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:48:00 - [61] Adding a 60 day option is cool, taking away 30 and 90 is not. Also not happy about paying more either
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:49:00 - [62] Removing the 30/90 and 50/100 day options is outrageous. I don't really care about the price hike, just the removal of options. If anything is to be changed, it should be the addition of other durations of GTCs, not removal... and whatever price changes are pertinent. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5
vcat	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:49:00 - [63] /signed
Lost Hamster Serenity and Hungarian Operational Team Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:50:00 - [64] /signed. reconsidering of closing one of his accounts
Xenofur Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:50:00 - [65]
Captain Detech	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:51:00 - [66] Common CCP, don't go down the route of other games companies...
Civilii	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:53:00 - [67] To be honest I reckon that most of the people worried about this, are not worried about the price hike and how it will affect them, but rather, are afraid that it will scare off other players and cause the game to collapse... Well, perhaps they are just not aware of their thoughts...
KrampfyV1 Four Rings Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:55:00 - [68] agree
Shionoya Risa The Xenodus Initiative. Overclockers Podpilot Services	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:55:00 - [69] /signed. -----
Samuel Calvert	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:58:00 - [70] /signed 2 accounts

eV1LJoKeR NCN Corp	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:58:00 - [71] Edited by: eV1LJoKeR on 22/05/2008 19:58:55 /signed sorry i see all these posts falling on deaf ears tbo but you have my support 3 chars here
Sariyah HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:59:00 - [72] 30 and 90 day are fine.
Gaius Xavier Eternity INC. Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:00:00 - [73] This is a radical change to the current system. There are issues that must be addressed.
Rosur Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:02:00 - [74] /signed No 30days is the main issue here if its just 30/60 that would be fine the price increase isnt that big a deal not to much. Just only haveing 60 days is rahter limiting.
Messerschmitt facility Shinra Shinra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:02:00 - [75] Signed, leave the 30 and 90 day alone _________________________________ A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking...
R0ot Eternity INC. Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:04:00 - [76] /signed -2 accounts being payed for if this goes thru Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Dani Leone A Dark Cloud Unaffiliated	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:04:00 - [77] Originally by: Akelorian Edited by: Akelorian on 22/05/2008 19:27:48 Well I would hate to disagree with you guys on this one. For one, the expansions that have been put into eve cost man hours, They don't charge you for these expansions they are given to you for free. No they are not free, they are charged at a regular monthly cost for continued access. CSM People, lets have this on the agenda, even if as a 'business decision' CCP refuse to entertain discussion.
CurlUpAndDie Eternity INC. Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:09:00 - [78] /signed. Who ever thought of this "Awesome" idea should be slapped in the face with a badger. ___________________________
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:10:00 - [79] A new 60D option is nice. Removing 90 and particularly 30D is a slap in the face of multi account subscribers. CAOD FTW.
Moses Kiptanui GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:11:00 - [80] I don't have a massive problem with a price hike, if that is what CCP wants to do, there has long been a disparity in price for people playing the game due to currency issues. However taking away the options of the customer for no clear reason seems to me to be a poor decision, and one that I am personally against.

Phocas Lebournes	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:12:00 - [81] Signed. Decreasing the options while increasing the price? - Really can`t feel the love here.
Trente Reznor Scream Inc. Moral Decay.	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:16:00 - [82] Stupid idea on CCPs part. /signed. -- SCREAM, INC. IS RECRUITING (CLICK ME)
Daelin Blackleaf Naqam Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:18:00 - [83] /signed I'd like to know how little they think of us if they thought they could sneak a 35% price hike past us with flowery wording. tbh I'm ******* disgusted with the way this has been handled. (Unless, of course, this is a ploy to get the CSM in to fix it thus making the council look effective and empowered, which sadly, wouldn't surprise me.)
Thrawntl AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:18:00 - [84] Signed
Niroshi	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:21:00 - [85] <<< Alt vote.. yay democracy.
Cereal Killor Gallente Research Corporation	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:25:00 - [86] I personally have 6 accounts, and I already pay a large chunk of isk. I don't relish the idea of having to pay more isk for less time. And when I get ETC's as gifts, those buying the ETC's for me are getting taken for a ride.
Fallorn GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:26:00 - [87] This was a bull headed move on CCP's part. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Selbstopfer Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:26:00 - [88] Heartily signed...
mamolian Eternity INC. Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:29:00 - [89] Edited by: mamolian on 22/05/2008 20:40:23 CCP please reconsider on the duration of the availible GTC's.. 90 days suits me perfectly.. I don't want to pay every 60 days! Let me worry about coming up with the cash to pay for the ******* things! Get your pitch forks men! -----------
Frelix Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:33:00 - [90] Edited by: Frelix on 22/05/2008 20:33:53 /signed I'd like an explanation also. Buying GTC's shouldn't cost more than the subscription to the game itself..unless... oh oh...subscription price increase coming up perhaps?

Caiman Graystock Quantum of Solace	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:34:00 - [91] There seems to be ZERO justification for this move other than to sneak in a price hike. Otherwise it makes little sense at all. I understand the dollar is **** and prices need to go up, but this was a lame way to go about it.
Saladin Eternity INC.	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:35:00 - [92] Edited by: Saladin on 22/05/2008 20:35:00 The 60 day option appears to replace the others as a method of covering up the price increase. I really cannot understate what a slimey and disgusting move that is. If CCP wanted to increase prices, they should have come out and said that and kept the 30 and 90 day options. By trying to sneak around you only provoke everyone's ire. Its insulting to our intelligence tbh.
killmc The Black Guards Solaris Consortium	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:39:00 - [93] Edited by: killmc on 23/05/2008 01:47:48 /signed sad day for eve and us the player
Haurian Commando RoflingChairmanMao	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:40:00 - [94] 60 day GTC: Fine. Price Hike: Not welcomed, but able to deal with it. Removal of 30d/90D GTCs: Just Wrong. I enjoy the flexibility of choosing how long I want to subscribe for via GTC, at this rate it will just be plain easier to return to CC subscription. --- My Mod autograph collection. Mods, please sign here! --- Please transfer the agreed amount to my Swiss bank account - Mitnal
ExTrEmM OCL Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:48:00 - [95] Edited by: ExTrEmM OCL on 22/05/2008 20:48:07 /signed (-3 accounts)
Saphres	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:54:00 - [96] O M G !!!! okay let be 60 days gtc but what kind of game makers thinking that not need at least minimum 1 month gtc as in every MMO who need pay for play? :DDDDD who the hell think it will be enough ? lol. sorry about it.2 months gtc is okay but let keep 1 month and 3 months version to. give back 1 months gtc at least.
Stellar Reaper Viziam	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:54:00 - [97] /signed --------- Will work for your forzen corpses!
MyGirlFriendMadeMeDoThis	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:57:00 - [98] /signed
Raceyu	Posted - 2008.05.22 20:59:00 - [99] Originally by: Saladin Edited by: Saladin on 22/05/2008 20:35:00 The 60 day option appears to replace the others as a method of covering up the price increase. I really cannot understate what a slimey and disgusting move that is. If CCP wanted to increase prices, they should have come out and said that and kept the 30 and 90 day options. By trying to sneak around you only provoke everyone's ire. Its insulting to our intelligence tbh. I agree
Antithysis Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:02:00 - [100] /signed At least keep the 30 day cards for the convenience. -Anti

Brutama	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:15:00 - [101] /signed!
VLAD DRACU gandacul rau	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:19:00 - [102] ccp, adjust your price as needed but do not take out the 30day option
Light Raider Lusa Atenas	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:20:00 - [103] I'm with all players that don't want 30 and 90 days GTC removed.
Althair Erin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:24:00 - [104] I am concerned about account flexibility. -------------- The Hope of the younger generation Come help build a better, more civil EVE!
Pasha Cracken Thanos and Killjoy Productions	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:25:00 - [105] /signed Paying for a game is bad enough, dont raise prices, and give us our cards back. -----
Willford Bremly Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:36:00 - [106] /signed »\(¦_o)/»
Olath Vlos WORLD INDUSTRIES CORP	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:45:00 - [107] Shame, shame CCP.
Dez Affinity Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:47:00 - [108] Originally by: Akelorian Edited by: Akelorian on 22/05/2008 19:27:48 Well I would hate to disagree with you guys on this one. For one, the expansions that have been put into eve cost man hours, They don't charge you for these expansions they are given to you for free. Second look at it this way, 1 30d GTC is 14.95, thus technically a 90d gtc should cost $44.85 not the $38.85 (Loss of 6 bucks) They are increasing the price by a whole $2.50/month with the 60d GTC's, I'm sorry thats two coffee's a month? If you feel that is too heavy on your wallets Sorry, get a credit card pay yearly or just buy them with iskies! Might increase the ingame costs, but shouldn't really affect you. No Credit Card? No problem there is alternative ways to pay for eve, look into it. And Yes Keep 30/90 day GTC's just increase the costs of the 90d and drop the 60d to the respective 30 bucks or w/e to make these people satisfied. Ever heard of bulk buying? By paying for 90 days they guarantee your business for 2 more months even if you don't play 1 bit. So they make it cheaper than it is to buy 3 seperate 30 day time codes, all businesses do this, it secures more business. The alternative ways ARE GTC's so you are saying find another alternative when this one works fine for most people. It's just bad business to make it more difficult for people to pay for your game. Personally, I can't always pay for several accounts every month, so a 30 day options is great, if I have the money I can pay for the alternate account and not worry about it, heck if I can't play next month because I have a lot of stuff to do, it's ok I haven't lost any money, because I bought a 30 day. Now I know you want my money, but I don't want to lose it, so instead I just won't. Also, /signed. _______________
Caelum Mortuos Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:49:00 - [109] /signed (well, half signed) I don't see a problem with the price rise. To be honest, as a lot of people have said, it's been a long time coming so we'll just have to accept it. Bear in mind that, whether you think they are good or not, we get free expansions and a free client in the first place as well. They should however, had been honest in saying its a price rise. On the other hand, why get rid of 30/90 day GTCs?? It makes no sense. In the face of rising costs CCP should be giving it's customers more options to fund their account in chunks which suits their lifestyle/wages/whatever, not bottleneck everyone into a single option, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of players are lost not because the game is too expensive, but because the way they have to pay isn't feasible for them. Bring back 30/90 day GTCs!!!
th1rdeye	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:52:00 - [110] signed as well, price increase isn't the end of the world, but removing 30/90 options is bad business. If I had to sign up for 60 days right after my 14 day I probably wouldn't have. Larger concern is that this WILL cause players to cancel, and this is a game that needs to grow, not shrink.

MongWen Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:56:00 - [111] Edited by: MongWen on 22/05/2008 21:56:22 /signed Edit: forgot to hit the the support box >< ------------------
Bluebeard LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:04:00 - [112] Removing the 30 and 90 day options is bad. Massaging the price up at the same time is seriously taking the p*ss. Do CCP think they are the only people with an Economist and a calculator ?
Pinel	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:12:00 - [113] I really hate the increase in price but for crying out loud please keep the 30 day and 90 day codes. I use the 30 day ones myself and they are really really helpful.
Iracham	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:18:00 - [114] I always wondered why 50/100 GTCs existed, and adding 60s to the linup wouldn't hurt, but I don't see a reason to get rid of 30/90s.
Shinoobie E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:20:00 - [115] Supported ______________________________________________ I wish mods would leave my sig alone - Shinoobie
Ki Tarra Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:26:00 - [116] I would fully support keeping the 30/90 day GTC options. I take great advantage of the flexibility that they offer. Removal of the 30-day GTC's will be a significant nerf to my game play. However, from a business stand point, I understand why CCP is doing this, all the more so since I know I am abusing the flexibility that GTC's have offered in the past. So I will pledge my support for the CSM to lobby for the retention of 30/90 day GTC, but will accept the fact that they are unlike to be able to win out over business constraints.
Jennifer Christage Token Industries	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:26:00 - [117] /signed
Mirauder Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:28:00 - [118] Count me in...
JellyBoX	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:30:00 - [119] /signed for sure!!!!
Ayumi Hasegawa	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:31:00 - [120] What the.... This needs to be fixed.

Mavolio White Nova Industries Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:31:00 - [121] Not reason other than to make things slightly more simple, should keep the 30 day and 90 day in order to give ppl a choice on how long they want to play.
Kalmi HUN	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:34:00 - [122] /signed
Tzuko1 The All-Seeing Eye	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:35:00 - [123] /signed
Neo Merchant	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:38:00 - [124] /signed
Aurellien PsyCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:49:00 - [125] /signed
Ehronn Perkone	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:52:00 - [126] Please keep the options for 30 day gtc's available. /signed ----------------------- Dysfunctional Playground
Elstar REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:54:00 - [127] Edited by: Elstar on 22/05/2008 22:54:24 signed my friends for who i buy gtc should say NO too.
SencneS Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2008.05.22 22:56:00 - [128] If it was 10% increase in cost I wouldn't care. But 35%.. What is going to happen when people start dropping their alt accounts because they don't want to dish out an extra $30 per account, remember that's $209.94 a year for 60 day GTCs. Or is this just a ploy to get more people to hand over credit card information? I see the cost of GTC's go up, but it mentions NOTHING about credit card charges.. Are we all going to start seeing Credit Card prices go up as well? For those of you that want to see the current credit card prices its as followed. 1 Month - $14.95 (USD) 3 Months - $38.85 (USD) 6 Months - $71.70 (USD) 12 Months - $131.40 (USD) Lets see - 6 Months of the new GTC is 3x$34.95 = $104.97 that's 46.40% MORE then using Credit Card.. And if you did it for a year - 6x$34.95 = 59.59% more.. Nice scam CCP - Forcing people to hand over re-occurring Credit card information to save 60% a year. We all know there is a nice thing about credit card information.. You see people are more willing to continue to subscribe with CC vs GTC, also you probably can predict income levels a lot more. And to the guy that say $2.50 a month is NOTHING. You're right, but think of this. That $2.50 a month over.. 222,422 Eligible Votes (Numbers given from CCP, these are subscribers - minus those who where ineligible to vote) that's $556,055 USD a month and $6,672,660 USD a YEAR MORE then what it is now. Are we planning EVE-II already? Or are you just going to milk EVE's players for your next MMO game? Will this new MMO be of any relation to EVE, will EVE people LIKE to play it. Get some venture capital and make a new game, don't force players of this game to fund a new one. Amarr for Life
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:01:00 - [129] Edited by: James Lyrus on 22/05/2008 23:11:41 Edited by: James Lyrus on 22/05/2008 23:04:28 Published subscription rates are: 1 Month, €14.95 = 23.5119USD (14.95EUR/month) 3 Month, €38.85 = 61.0995USD (12.95EUR/month) 6 Month, €71.70 = 112.774USD (11.95EUR/month) 12 Months, €131.40 = 206.674USD. (10.95EUR/month) 60 day codes, at $34.99 is 22.25EUR. Or 11.125EUR/month. E.g. Cheaper than every regularly paying customer who's not paying annually. As the repeat billing of a credit card is less likely to lead to subscription gaps, I feel that this rate adjustment STILL leaves GTCs as too cheap. Edit: I've just spotted the above post, quoting price in Euros vs. Price in dollars. I'd like to propose that CCP move to one currency for their billing, to prevent having European customers subsidising US customers. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
SencneS Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:07:00 - [130] Originally by: James Lyrus 1 Month, Ç14.95 = 23.5119USD (14.95EUR/month) 3 Month, Ç38.85 = 61.0995USD (12.95EUR/month) 6 Month, Ç71.70 = 112.774USD (11.95EUR/month) 12 Months, Ç131.40 = 206.674USD. (10.95EUR/month) If your credit card screen says "Ç131.40" then we have a larger issue here. Because mine says "$131.40 USD" Amarr for Life

James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:09:00 - [131] Originally by: SencneS Originally by: James Lyrus 1 Month, €14.95 = 23.5119USD (14.95EUR/month) 3 Month, €38.85 = 61.0995USD (12.95EUR/month) 6 Month, €71.70 = 112.774USD (11.95EUR/month) 12 Months, €131.40 = 206.674USD. (10.95EUR/month) If your credit card screen says "€131.40" then we have a larger issue here. Because mine says "$131.40 USD" Indeed: http://www.eve-online.com/faq/faq_08.asp Price in EUR == Price in USD. Which given current exchange rates, means one's very definitely more favourable than the other. It makes sense why the GTC price shifted, but still leaves a heftily discounted option. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Slistine Death Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:13:00 - [132] /signed
Zytrel Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:13:00 - [133] Yes please, I'm too lazy to get a new GTC every 60 days (as opposed to 90)!
SencneS Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:21:00 - [134] Edited by: SencneS on 22/05/2008 23:22:51 Originally by: James Lyrus Which given current exchange rates, means one's very definitely more favorable than the other. It makes sense why the GTC price shifted, but still leaves a heftily discounted option. If they keep their current pricing scheme it will be $34.99 USD and Ç34.99 Euro. It doesn't change anything, just makes them more expensive. Edit - Removed questionable information. Amarr for Life
Kivin San Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:21:00 - [135]
Sal Alo Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:32:00 - [136] Agree with OP. CCP don't raise up ETC's prices, you CCP are rich... I'M NOT
teh punisher Noob Mercs	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:39:00 - [137] It really is outrageous that they threw this upon us. /signed
Mistress Althea InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:39:00 - [138] signed
Farrqua Turbo Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:40:00 - [139] Seems to be an arbitrary blast from CCP for a game that they have not entirely have functioning properly. We are still dealing with issues that we have been waiting for them to address and fix for the last 5 years or so. Increasing the cost of a game that is not preforming as promised does not make a lot of sense. I have no issue with maintaining your profit margins, I myself run and own a company. I can not in good faith go to my customers and ask them to cough up more cash for a product that is not working as promised.
Yareko Taguichi	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:49:00 - [140] Now I cant long train skills anymore

Billy Merc Pilots Of Honour Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.05.22 23:58:00 - [141] /signed Thsi change will not effect me so much, but has limiting factors i think are not fair ie. allowing GTC sellers to monopolise the market and dictate the the price of playing eve with ISK which is fuxin outrageous. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=777866 Voice your opinion on the GTC sales changes in the above CSM thread
cimmaron Warp Riders Fang Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:05:00 - [142] signed
Qwert0	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:12:00 - [143] Don't try to be sneaky with math when the playerbase has been known to make spreadsheets for fun. /sign
BillyBong2 COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:15:00 - [144] My only issues with CCP is making the statement to attune with industry standards. I just got back from best buy and there were 30 and 90 day GTCs available in the gaming section. So, I am not entirely sure where the new industry standard is. http://coldwing.100luz.com.ar/board/
Frecator Dementa	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:29:00 - [145] /signed ----------------------- forum ate my post again
Oriana Cain	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:30:00 - [146] /signed
Wadaya Trailerpark Industries	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:31:00 - [147] Originally by: BillyBong2 My only issues with CCP is making the statement to attune with industry standards. I just got back from best buy and there were 30 and 90 day GTCs available in the gaming section. So, I am not entirely sure where the new industry standard is. It's all a ploy to help Sharkbait with his beer tab.
Deathtouche	Posted - 2008.05.23 00:50:00 - [148] /signed
Cedik	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:00:00 - [149] I'm a new subscriber, on the Mac client. I was impressed with the scope and flexibility this game has to offer, but was on the fence to committing because of the problems I have experienced (and read about on the boards) with the OS X client. When I saw that you could buy ETCs for under $39 for a 90 day subscription it was easier to accept those application issues, so I subscribed. If this news was announced two days ago, I would have never subscribed. If this new plan continues, I will certainly not continue to subscribe (unless, by chance, they release a rock solid, native Mac client). I suppose I'm lucky to get in when I did. Seems like a really fun game.
Zeknichov Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:00:00 - [150] Frankly I don't think anyone would be upset or surprised if CCP said they are raising prices due to the falling American $. But to try and mask an obvious price hike and then remove the options of 30 day and 90 day GTCs is appalling.

Kramnik	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:01:00 - [151] /signed
TJ Aellinsar	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:08:00 - [152] Removal of the 30/90 day GTCs is crazy. Add the 60 day option if you want; drop the 50/100 if you want... but give us some flexibility, and allow us the multi-month discount. /signed
DemonCleaner	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:10:00 - [153] /signed
maltari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:13:00 - [154] /signed even though I don't use them atm, there is clearly something wrong here...
Kinkie Yuuki	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:39:00 - [155] BACKSTABBED! OH THE PAIN! CCP why have you done this too us. Your excuses are lame and not needed. I wouldn't mind one bit having a price increase, or removal of 30/90 day GTC's but increasing price and not specifically mentioning it is insulting.
Basket Weaver	Posted - 2008.05.23 01:41:00 - [156] I think that we should get rid of the 50/100 day cards... there is really no point. But adding the 60 and perhaps a 120 day would be nice. So we would have 30/60/90/120 day GTC's. As for raising the prices.... I vote no (with rights). If the price gets raised, then perhaps a lifetime membership thing could be offered (like in Lord of the Rings Online). Thanks!
Shi Lang	Posted - 2008.05.23 02:03:00 - [157] /signed I cannot afford anything more expensive then the 30 day gtc's.
Thalen Draganos Macabre Votum Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.23 02:04:00 - [158] Edited by: Thalen Draganos on 23/05/2008 02:04:41 /signed The only limitation to life its
Darkstride Black Serpent Technologies Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.23 02:10:00 - [159] Edited by: Darkstride on 23/05/2008 02:09:45 I very much agree with this idea and that the CSM needs to look into the problem. It IS a problem, as the removal of 30 and 90 day gtc's quite frankly sucks. Even if prices are slightly raised to make them in line, i believe that the removal of 30 and 90 day gtc's is a bad idea. I hope this does go through the talks in the CSM. Don't walk into the light yet, we still need you.
Ellington Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.05.23 02:35:00 - [160] Signed o/

Breha Organa	Posted - 2008.05.23 02:47:00 - [161] You have my support. Vote for me next election cycle for CSM.
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.05.23 02:51:00 - [162] I would like to see this brought up, but I'm not sure its within the scope of the CSM to do so. Goal Line Blitz, an American Football MMO
Domunos Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.23 02:53:00 - [163] I support this topic.
Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2008.05.23 03:05:00 - [164] I don't care about the price increase, I just want my 30/90 day options as well __________________________________________________________ Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
Skizm Redemption EnterpriseS	Posted - 2008.05.23 03:16:00 - [165] Industry standard? You mean WoW standard? Planetside, Starwars, EQ 2, a lot of other games offer 30 and 90 day codes. Maybe this is their solution to lag? Less options + higher prices = less accounts playing.
Katini Ellegahn Capital Development and Security Industries	Posted - 2008.05.23 03:29:00 - [166] No 30d, No Play I have a hard enough time justifying 3 accounts as it is. I didn't create alt accounts for any other reason then to try out different characters/training styles. My alts don't make me any money, and I'd imagine I'm not the only one who has casual, and definitely disposable alts. Keep it simple for me and I'm happy, force feed me and you're the one that will be eating the spoon, sideways.
Sage Eveo Interwarp Plexus Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2008.05.23 04:00:00 - [167] Edited by: Sage Eveo on 23/05/2008 03:59:51 /signed.
Athre The HIgher Standard	Posted - 2008.05.23 04:02:00 - [168] I would like the option of 90 day GTC Industry standard for subscriptions on MMO's are 1 month 3 months 6 months 1 year I would support asking this be briefly addressed and the voices of the masses recognized.
xena zena Catalyst Corporation Dominatus Phasmatis	Posted - 2008.05.23 04:15:00 - [169] I have friends that are SERIOUS about quitting because they only pay via GTC's, the price rise and being forced to pay for 2 months up front is beyond what they want to do, so they're QUITTING! Bad idea.
raeky freelancers inc Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.05.23 04:23:00 - [170] /singed http://raeky.com/

Silona A	Posted - 2008.05.23 04:24:00 - [171] /signed
Vice Royy Catalyst Corporation Dominatus Phasmatis	Posted - 2008.05.23 04:26:00 - [172] /signed
Gregor Alessandro Catalyst Corporation Dominatus Phasmatis	Posted - 2008.05.23 04:27:00 - [173] /signed (with all 5 of my accounts)
choo t	Posted - 2008.05.23 04:43:00 - [174] signed.
K Ro	Posted - 2008.05.23 04:44:00 - [175] signed
Issei Isotope Trading Co	Posted - 2008.05.23 04:54:00 - [176] Supported. Giving us fewer options is always a bad idea.
Piscus Milliways Invest	Posted - 2008.05.23 04:59:00 - [177] Edited by: Piscus on 23/05/2008 05:00:16 /signed ~Piscus -CEO Milliways Invest
Full Impact Silly Buggers Society	Posted - 2008.05.23 05:10:00 - [178] signed
Adamus TorK HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.05.23 05:19:00 - [179] /signed
Angela Dray HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.05.23 05:20:00 - [180] /signed

PinaNi HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.05.23 05:22:00 - [181] /signed
Arwen ShadowSword	Posted - 2008.05.23 05:32:00 - [182] /signed
Dark Linda Astrum Contract Services Group	Posted - 2008.05.23 05:43:00 - [183] /signed
Vanessa Vale	Posted - 2008.05.23 05:46:00 - [184] Too bad CCP is privately owned... Minmatar Boost Brigade
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.23 05:48:00 - [185] Lets see. I went over to SC, to have a look at their time cards for other games. City of Heroes: 15, 30 and 60 day timecards Same for City Of Vilians D&D Online: 60 days Dungeon runners: 15, 30, 60 EQ: 30, 90 EQ2: 30, 90 Lineage 2: 15, 30, 60 LOTRO: 60 Matrix Online: 30, 90 POTBS: 30 Planetside: 30, 90 SWG: 30, 90 Tabula Rasa: 15, 30, 60 Ultima Online: 30, 90, 180 Vanguard: 30, 90 WoW: 60 See my point? Only 3 games offer 60 days ONLY.
GIGAR Burma Star Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2008.05.23 06:05:00 - [186] Originally by: LaVista Vista Lets see. I went over to SC, to have a look at their time cards for other games. City of Heroes: 15, 30 and 60 day timecards Same for City Of Vilians D&D Online: 60 days Dungeon runners: 15, 30, 60 EQ: 30, 90 EQ2: 30, 90 Lineage 2: 15, 30, 60 LOTRO: 60 Matrix Online: 30, 90 POTBS: 30 Planetside: 30, 90 SWG: 30, 90 Tabula Rasa: 15, 30, 60 Ultima Online: 30, 90, 180 Vanguard: 30, 90 WoW: 60 See my point? Only 3 games offer 60 days ONLY. Funny thing is, it's the 3 games that suck the most that supports it... (I'm totally going to get flamed for this post - grow up)
RubberDuckey Ravenclaw Manufacturing DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.05.23 06:09:00 - [187] Totally support OP
Chin Daxov DRUCKWELLE	Posted - 2008.05.23 06:11:00 - [188] /sign
Reven Zero	Posted - 2008.05.23 06:37:00 - [189] Edited by: Reven Zero on 23/05/2008 06:43:58 I agree this need to be questioned and a longer period then 60 days be offers, so a 60 day and a 120 day like other people have been suggested. While your at it CCP, why not cross off the 1 month and 3 month subscriptions for CC users and only offer a 2 month? Edit: Just as a quick scan though there seems to be a lot of support for changing what has been suggested/is going to be implimented. I think this will be a good test to see if CCP is going to take this whole Assembly Hall thing seriously or if its just smoke been blown up our a$$
Kinlaadare Space Miner Industry FR	Posted - 2008.05.23 06:50:00 - [190] /signed Carpe Diem

Mia Den	Posted - 2008.05.23 07:13:00 - [191] Edited by: Mia Den on 23/05/2008 07:34:43 /signed
Arshes Nei Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.05.23 07:28:00 - [192] I too would like a more indepth explanation of your reasoning. CCP is a buisness and i fully understand that the weak dollar might force you to adjust prices, but that doesnt explain why options are being taken away.
Ch'thonia	Posted - 2008.05.23 07:33:00 - [193] /signed
Kalcova	Posted - 2008.05.23 07:47:00 - [194] /signed I totaly agree here this change is going to most like ly bring the ingame cost of 60 day GTC's to 300+ mill isk range and also kill options for those of us that wish to pay monthly. Very bad move for a corporation to remove choices but is a very good move to give more choices. CCP your asking to loose customers with this tatic. Let hear why you are willing to kill atleast 40% of your customer base.
Garrett 00	Posted - 2008.05.23 07:53:00 - [195] /signed
steejans nix 0beron Construct	Posted - 2008.05.23 08:00:00 - [196] signing of the 7th page Just started a 2nd account run on 90 day gtc's will probably not re-new if this happens. Though tend to think this a CCP ploy to make it look like the CSM got teeth as we no doubt be paying for the trip to Iceland ( which may i remind you all that all of the candidates weren't keen on if we go by Akita's great questionare ). But if this isk were to go to a few mid slots on Amarr ships the be isk better spent.
Furb Killer The Peacekeeper Core	Posted - 2008.05.23 08:03:00 - [197] /signed 90 day cards ftw
Joshua Foiritain Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.23 08:04:00 - [198] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 23/05/2008 08:12:22 /signed, cant play eve without 90 day gtcs. Also: CCP are greedy bastards. -----
JVol	Posted - 2008.05.23 08:06:00 - [199] / signed
DanyD	Posted - 2008.05.23 08:10:00 - [200] /signed

Heroldyn	Posted - 2008.05.23 08:16:00 - [201] /signed propably not going to make a difference, tho :P
J'Mkarr Soban Proxenetae Invicti	Posted - 2008.05.23 08:28:00 - [202] -- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work.
Darkireland Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn	Posted - 2008.05.23 08:30:00 - [203] /signed
Void Monarch Aorte Cerebrum	Posted - 2008.05.23 08:32:00 - [204] /signed
Mundia	Posted - 2008.05.23 08:34:00 - [205] /signed
Lord XSiV Digital Research - Omega Protocol	Posted - 2008.05.23 08:43:00 - [206] I oppose bringing this to the attention of anyone and let the 'issue' remain a whine fest for the incompetent group of players. This CSM shouldn't even consider it an issue anyhow unless they get more than 50% support of the eve community, so unless there are 100k+ affirmative posts supporting don't waste your time. Realistically, CCP isn't going to listen to you anyhow (no one in their right mind would let an external entity influence your business decisions) and all that will happen is that it will reduce your social activity time while in iceland. Put it to you another way, don't bother wasting your time on such drivel and it may cost you several beverages as a result. Take your free trip and use it appropriately for sight seeing.
StarBeurk	Posted - 2008.05.23 08:47:00 - [207] /signed
Trustus Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.05.23 08:50:00 - [208] i support this topic a
Trojan Bware	Posted - 2008.05.23 08:58:00 - [209] /signed
Astraias Pixels Docks	Posted - 2008.05.23 09:04:00 - [210] I agree a more varied selection of ETC's not this silly non-sense of one type of ETC. You have my support.

Lionel Redstar	Posted - 2008.05.23 09:05:00 - [211] Signed
Aneu Angellus DAB	Posted - 2008.05.23 09:05:00 - [212] Agreed! ________________ DarkAngelBattalion - Officer
Kersh Marelor Federal European Industry Science and Research	Posted - 2008.05.23 09:11:00 - [213] /signed The 60 day GTC sounded good till I read they will be the only ones avaialble. The increase of price is understandable seeing changes in the value of a $. That however needs to be balanced with other courencies. And DO NOT try to limit our choices and boost the price while claiming it is good for our gameplay experience, cause it sux
Waste Land	Posted - 2008.05.23 09:16:00 - [214] /signed
Grey Shadow KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.23 09:37:00 - [215] Edited by: Grey Shadow on 23/05/2008 09:41:57 17% per day price hike on the base cost of a 30 day gtc, for a longer subscription period ? And the bigger blow being the lack of options this creates in removing 30 and 90 days gtc's. If you want to add in an industry standard 60 day card, fine, but leave the other options in place, and harmonize the cost of the 60 day card in-line with the other two. The cost of the dollar against the euro may well go some way to explaining this, but given I pay by CC from the UK, we are getting creaded over here, and I don't see us getting any relief. Andy
Ram Celles Happy hOur Mining and industry Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.23 09:43:00 - [216] GTC's makes eve go-round GTC's makes eve go-round ... you want to win people over not, make it harder for us to play the game ~ It's howdy doody time kiddies, the bad man is here!
Zenita Wine	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:12:00 - [217] CCP: ---GTC 60 days for the 90 price !!!... ---Erased the 30day and 90day GTC options... Do you want to loose European players? EVE prices are attractive front of others games in Europ. It's an EvE Power !
Sinaelle	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:17:00 - [218] Edited by: Sinaelle on 23/05/2008 10:22:49 /signed 2 account
Ashaan Vatrox Federal European Industry Science and Research	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:17:00 - [219] /agree Possibility to choose between 30d/90d GTC was definitely one of the advantages over WoW, LoTRO and many other MMOs...
MrRx7 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:27:00 - [220] /signed keep the existing system

Canderous Shaw	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:34:00 - [221] /signed 30d and 90d GTC are much better than 60d GTC...
Crovan Eternity INC. Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:42:00 - [222] The secure ISK for GTC scheme, despite what detractors may say, is one of the more creative ways to get around some of the security issues and scams that accompany RMT companies. CCP itself issued a huge press release on the heels of John Smedley's description of why RMT hurts the industry. This move feels counterintuitive, as it restricts the options for the GTC for ISK sellers and buyers out there. While it is true that this choice is in the middle, and all things equal, should not effect the number of codes traded, it will. Any time the entry price point goes up, you lose transactions, plain and simple. People who only wanted to spend under $20 at a time on their ISK may be forced to turn to illegitimate sources. If CCP wants a price hike, that's one thing, but this "streamlining" seems counterproductive and without sound reasoning, as it stands. -C The Drone Bay Podcast
Treyish Muff Divers Gemini Federation	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:47:00 - [223] /Signed
Harla Branno Imperium Galactica Omega Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:49:00 - [224] Signed. Raise prices if you have to (we understand that, but not this nonsensical explanation), but please leave 30 and 90 day ETCs alone.
Enmel Muse.	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:49:00 - [225] Edited by: Enmel on 23/05/2008 10:49:46 /Signed
Tendo Nabiki	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:50:00 - [226] /signed don't see any point in removing 30&90d gtc
JohnnyWoker Beyond everything	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:59:00 - [227] /signed It's outrageous, I can't say any word from the disappointment. CCP, shame on you, shame. You screwing up with the european players since 2003 (from that year, the EUR is stronger than the USD in yearly view). We, europeans paying much higher price for the same service than those who live outside the EU. After this shameless act, I will be forced to pay Ç14.95 instead of $14.95 if I only want to play&pay for not more, not less but 30 days. A CCP mondjon le! (sorry I couldn't stop this)
Merdala Ez'Tuaran	Posted - 2008.05.23 11:02:00 - [228] /signed
Colonel Rykef Animus Exuro	Posted - 2008.05.23 11:03:00 - [229] /signed a million times i like the 30 days i dont want 60 days at a time, im going to have to think long and hard before i decide if i want to keep my sub
Anaerion	Posted - 2008.05.23 11:25:00 - [230] /signed

Sureau N'Th'Rack Squadron Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.05.23 11:38:00 - [231] /signed
The Jackhammer Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.23 11:44:00 - [232] Stealth rate hike Thank-You, The Jackhammer Banners and Signatures by: Kalen Vox
Bob Valentine	Posted - 2008.05.23 11:48:00 - [233] /signed
DarkSensei Trade	Posted - 2008.05.23 11:49:00 - [234] Utter bullcrap. /signed
Engad Tanon Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.23 11:52:00 - [235] Edited by: Engad Tanon on 23/05/2008 11:52:44 /signed http://www.killboard.net/sigs/Engad%20Tanon/ht_22/sig.gif
Jomar Furn	Posted - 2008.05.23 11:57:00 - [236] /signed
Phaic Tan	Posted - 2008.05.23 12:11:00 - [237] /supported
Korth Serenity Technology	Posted - 2008.05.23 12:43:00 - [238] Have any CSM reps commented on this issue?
Seetesh Pixels Docks	Posted - 2008.05.23 12:46:00 - [239] See i wouldnt mind an increase in cost that proportional to the current rates etc etc, but why on earth would you rob us of our choice of game time cards. I really like the option of chosing how long my main or alts play for and how often i chose to pay for them. You can have an increase in price if your that needy for money but at least break it down over the whole set of time cards.
azeazeff	Posted - 2008.05.23 12:52:00 - [240] Only for CCP, 15Ç=15$ (credit card subscriptions) for the world 1Ç=1.53$ GTC and ETC are the only way for europeans people to pay the same as the non-europeans people. remove ur descision! /signed

Terrytory Solar Dragons SOLAR FLEET	Posted - 2008.05.23 12:59:00 - [241] /Signed
Natalya RUS	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:05:00 - [242] signed
Mr McCargo Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:07:00 - [243] /Signed - Mr C
Muscaat Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:09:00 - [244] The 30-day GTC was what convinced me to upgrade my trial account to a full one when I started playing more than a year ago. Financially I would find it less easy to buy a more expensive 60-day card. /signed
Z800XV	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:10:00 - [245] have one account, so nothing critically there fo me). for all who have alts...I think U DON'T FORGET about "Black Skill Training" for your alts, so dont cry like a babyes - TIME TO PAY =)))). CCP keep it real.
Takeshi Taro Unsere erste Korporation	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:11:00 - [246] /signed
Dante Chusuk Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:13:00 - [247] Wrong in so many different ways, especially the statement that this is to be in line with some "industry" standard that it seems only World of Warcraft and two other MMOs adhere to. All others seem to give one of the following choices: 30 and 90 30, 60 and 90 15, 30 and 60 Its a bit shocking that the current response has been limited to a repeated quotation of the original news post and the fact its not changing the other payment options. I think we understood that which is why a 14 or so page thread is in General Discussion as people understand and are unhappy with CCP's approach in this matter.
DaydreamBeliever	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:16:00 - [248] Edited by: DaydreamBeliever on 23/05/2008 13:15:59 /signed
Moff Tigriss IMpAct Corp	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:17:00 - [249] /signed (two accounts)
Baline Aegis Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:19:00 - [250] CCP, don't do this or be consistent : do the same for the credit card in $. Or stop 1$ = 1Ç. Thx.

speedek Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:19:00 - [251] /signed if u really want 60d just add ti to existing 30 and 90d.
Yuriy T	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:24:00 - [252] /me signed
Leon DroneKiller	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:26:00 - [253] signed
Ceylana Zari	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:31:00 - [254] /Signed
Extrimal ua Small Empire	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:35:00 - [255] Edited by: Extrimal ua on 23/05/2008 13:35:02 /signed
Michra Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:37:00 - [256] /signed
Flow Befort GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:39:00 - [257] /sig
Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:40:00 - [258] ned
True Carebear	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:40:00 - [259] Europe Cost/month* Total cost* 1-month-plan Ç 14.95 Ç 14.95 3-month-plan Ç 12.95 Ç 38.85 6-month-plan Ç 11.95 Ç 71.70 12-month-plan Ç 10.95 Ç 131.40 * VAT included Outside Europe Cost/month Total cost 1-month-plan $ 14.95 $ 14.95 3-month-plan $ 12.95 $ 38.85 6-month-plan $ 11.95 $ 71.70 12-month-plan $ 10.95 $ 131.40 just looking at teh 131.40 figure.. $131.40 = ú66.2449 Ç 131.40 = ú104.4179 Ç 131.40= $207.1781(yahoo fiance). ill be buying my accounts in $ as the rest of us in europe/uk are getting screwed
Locii	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:41:00 - [260] forgot to change to my main..

Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:54:00 - [261] Agreed
LeGlt	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:09:00 - [262] There are better things than choice - streamlining systems to make them more efficient and better for all. Sometimes less is more! To give you an exmaple, there are only x amount of potential codes left under the current system and they're spread against types which may or may not sell very well. Has anyone even seen many of the 50/100 codes for sale? People had their choice and the majority ignored 50% of them. Why waste a large proportion of your potential codes on something that won't shift? By unifying the structure 100% of the codes have 100% potential to be sold. Then there are the in-game Economic factors. At the moment a 30 day code sells for approx 150m and 90 days for approx 350m. Sellers of 90 day codes get a raw deal for their higher purchase cost whilst buyers save a good 100m opting to buy a 90 day code instead of paying 450m for 3x 30 days. This is plainly out of balance and unfair to 30 day buyers and 90 day sellers. By limiting codes to 60 days only balance is restored - the buyer can pay a flat rate for their time and the seller won't get ripped off buying a higher code and selling it for less than it's equivalent value. Everybody wins... in theory... The only problem I personally have with the 60 day codes is the price. $35 seems a bit steep for a 60 day GTC when you can get a 90 day ETC for $39? __________________________ Nice forum - I'll take it!
JcJet Paradise project	Posted - 2008.05.23 15:01:00 - [263] /sign
Seetesh Pixels Docks	Posted - 2008.05.23 15:05:00 - [264] Originally by: Dante Chusuk Its a bit shocking that the current response has been limited to a repeated quotation of the original news post and the fact its not changing the other payment options. I think we understood that which is why a 14 or so page thread is in General Discussion as people understand and are unhappy with CCP's approach in this matter. Maybe they're too afraid to say anything knowing how angry we are at them.
Lensver	Posted - 2008.05.23 15:19:00 - [265] /signed
Phoenus Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.23 15:30:00 - [266] Signed. I have characters I only need for 1/2 weeks at a time, and I don't want to sub them for a full two months. You can pay per month on Visa, why are you discriminating against those who want to pay per month on GTC? Save EVE TV from Cancellation.
Arvald The School 0f Fine Arts	Posted - 2008.05.23 15:32:00 - [267] aye, i barely have enough isk each month to afford a 30 day gtc Originally by: Liang Nuren There are no dangerous ships, there are dangerous people. IIRC, you are one of them.
Badboy K FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.23 16:01:00 - [268] /signed
Everir Entar Legion Du Lys	Posted - 2008.05.23 16:03:00 - [269] /signed
Spc One	Posted - 2008.05.23 16:15:00 - [270] /signed I like 30 days, 60days and 90 days cards because it gives users more options in choosing how long they'll play. It also gives an ISK buyer who exchanges the gtc card for isk greater control of how much isks he/she is going to "buy". For example now the player could securely exchange a 30 day gtc card for approx 160-170m isk .. but now that option will be unavailable to the player and he/she will have to "buy" more isks for a 60 days gtc even if the player doesn't need that much.. I suggest we keep the current gtc system.

FT Cold Sky Net Industries Pure.	Posted - 2008.05.23 16:35:00 - [271] /signed I could care less if it's a price increase but forcing those of us that run by isk->gtc to get 60 days instead of 30/90 is just stupidity. Tell marketing to GTFO. Prime example of a flustercluck.
Qlanth Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.23 16:40:00 - [272] I want this brought up at the CSM. I can't pay for eve with my debit card because CCP is overseas. I don't have a credit card and need to pay with GTCs, make it $30.00 like 2 months of subscription would be, or bring back the old system.
Antgunner	Posted - 2008.05.23 16:47:00 - [273] /signed
poot3	Posted - 2008.05.23 16:48:00 - [274] /signed
ClawKnight Annihilate.	Posted - 2008.05.23 16:55:00 - [275] /signed
Zariphina Wylde	Posted - 2008.05.23 17:25:00 - [276] /signed
Commander Killah	Posted - 2008.05.23 17:36:00 - [277] Hmmm, could this be because of the fall of price on the icelandic kroner that happend not so long ago ? Everything in prices here have gone off the roof!! I was concidering buying one of the EvE Commodore computers (like the stats most of all), but with this inflation on prices, its impossible.....
Khwalik Ghetto Kings	Posted - 2008.05.23 18:11:00 - [278] Originally by: Anakin Walkskyer I don't even care about this raise in price thing, But giving us only 1 option with which to pay for the game is a joke. Not everyone has a CC that they can use to play so they will be forced to pay larger sums at once. At least keep the 30day AT LEAST. Every MMO I have ever played/seen has a 30day option. I can see this going pretty badly for CCP if/when this follows through. I aggree and would like to see the 30's remain at the least or really just add the 60 and keep 30 and 90. As many have said i use 90 mostly for my main and 30's to support my alt, it really makes the alt account not real feasible if it's going to get more expensive to use i'll probly just shut it down.
John Mordu Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.05.23 18:27:00 - [279] /signed
Nariana Verex Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.23 18:29:00 - [280] /signed. Pending on cash at hand, I alternate between 30 and 90 day cards, since my RL work schedule is quite erratic.

upprophet Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Associates	Posted - 2008.05.23 18:30:00 - [281] I don't even use the GTC but I recognize the artificial inflation this will cause. /signed
Zanpt	Posted - 2008.05.23 19:01:00 - [282] /signed for 9 personal accounts This is very bad business, for reasons that have been very well explained by other posters. It smacks of the tactic used by candy bar manufacturers, changing the weight of the candy to obscure price increases. I will deal with this by modifying how I manage my accounts. I will keep more of them inactive and cross-train them to a greater degree so that the ones that are active can do all the things I need done. I'll whip up a spreadsheet to help manage it, and make sure that CCP gets less money than before.
Locii	Posted - 2008.05.23 19:02:00 - [283]
Belmarduk de Prieure Four Elements	Posted - 2008.05.23 19:04:00 - [284] I think this is a very bad marketing idea.... Leave the 30/90 day system as it is. And as a poster said : Tell the marketing department to GTFO ! CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
Steintz Mercenary Forces Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.23 19:07:00 - [285] signed
Sindahl McHaggis	Posted - 2008.05.23 19:09:00 - [286] /signed.
mcSpeedfreak Draconis Cooperation Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.23 19:10:00 - [287] /signed HELP my monitor isnt working is it turned on? Yes.. ok can you turn it off? Oh thanks .. that did it.. - based on a true story
3cxO Dead Man's Click Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.23 19:14:00 - [288] /signed Worst measure I've ever seen...
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.05.23 19:17:00 - [289] /signed If you have to be raising the prices, at least keep the 30 and 90 days options and admit you're making them more expensive, this new 60-day GTC offer simply looks like an excuse to raise the prices on GTCs. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
SocialPolice	Posted - 2008.05.23 19:18:00 - [290] Quoted. This is crap.

Somino Thrull	Posted - 2008.05.23 19:44:00 - [291] /signed The flexibility of going 30/60/90 days would be perfect. Locking in only 60 days is a bit annoying. Many games do the 30 day/90 day deal, even if the big ones only do 60 day GTC. Also, if you look at the 'industry standard' for 60 days, it is $30. However, since the dollar is a bit down, I can understand increasing it a bit, as long as you get a slight bonus for buying the larger game time amounts.
Lyra Myoisin Suicidal Intentions Tres Viri	Posted - 2008.05.23 19:55:00 - [292] Edited by: Lyra Myoisin on 23/05/2008 19:55:17 [x] support this
Karando Random Goods	Posted - 2008.05.23 20:43:00 - [293] Supporting this thread. I didn't check each page, did any CSM reply yet?
Yorda Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.23 20:45:00 - [294] poast Originally by: nlewis jammers are the meatshield [Bob] wish their pets were
Ummon Mu Troublemakers	Posted - 2008.05.23 20:54:00 - [295] Supporting this.
Nova Ancali Angelic Industries	Posted - 2008.05.23 20:57:00 - [296] /signed
M Ahmadinejad	Posted - 2008.05.23 20:57:00 - [297] +1 Totally disagree with total remove of 30/90 day GTCs .
NoNah Tenth Legion Holdings Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.05.23 21:17:00 - [298] No question about it. Postcount: 64115
Gregory TwiLight Inter Stellar Mining Syndicate Ethereal Spectrum Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.23 21:17:00 - [299] I also support this. ISMS is Recruiting
Exodus Alpha	Posted - 2008.05.23 21:20:00 - [300] Definitely in support of this.

Sabrina Treadehugger	Posted - 2008.05.23 21:34:00 - [301] /signed this is also going to affect many of my eve friends and hurt my fun and playstyle
Sergio Montoya	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:21:00 - [302] /signed
schniefer Montoya Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:24:00 - [303] c¦mon ccp... /signed
rolland deschain	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:27:00 - [304] This will alter my method of payment for continuing the game as well as my friends who are just entering the game to pay by the gtc method of 90d or 30d cards. If anything you should add 60d cards instead of removing all others. I dissaprove of this change ccp, why are you trying to mimic all other MMORPG's. First you decide to make a mimic of other MMORPG's battleground via empryean age which wont change any real political matters in eve (I want to recapture Caldari prime) not capture a bunker in Empryean age because the selling point for Eve is it's PVP where you actually loose or gain in pvp or factions loose or gain space. I personally joined as caldari because of the political history concerning Eve, caldari vs gallente and have always awaited the moment when Caldari recapture Caldari Prime, but it's not to be so in Empryean Age. Next you discontinue all gtcs and implement 60d gtcs. CCP, you're mimicing all other MMORPGs, instead you should be setting the standards for other MMORPGs like you've been striving to do until recently. /signed for discontinuation of 60d gtc idea!
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:27:00 - [305] /signed --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Linguistis	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:28:00 - [306] /signed for discontinuation of 60d gtc movement!
logarithum	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:29:00 - [307] /signed for stopping CCP's 60d movement
Vesspasiano 3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:32:00 - [308] /signed Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Julius Kashmir Mutinous Renaissance Fighters Vaccaei Imperial	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:33:00 - [309] /signed for bad idea, continue the 30/60/90/100d gtcs and innovate the 120d/150/375d gtcs CCP! SET THE STANDARD for other MMORPGs, DON'T be a follower, be a LEADER! Be known as a renovator!
urdeath007	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:34:00 - [310] /signed

Julius Reyon	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:36:00 - [311] /signed
bokewalka	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:36:00 - [312] signed...what are you thinking CCP?
TOPOTAMADRE	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:38:00 - [313] /signed, If you want to reduce the "inexistent" lag, keep it going.
Roland Torq	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:38:00 - [314] /signed I cannot have said it better myself Julius Kashmir
Zemi Dahut GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:42:00 - [315] I'm less concerned with the price change then I am of the removal of the 30 day timecard. 30ds were great for training up alts, and CCP is forcing us to go through the hassle of subscribing for 30 day recurring, and then immediately unsubscribing. If however the true goal is to removing ISK selling, why not just removing TCs all together?
MRIT	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:42:00 - [316] /signed
William Ragnarok	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:43:00 - [317] /signed
Roland Torq	Posted - 2008.05.23 22:58:00 - [318] Originally by: Zareph I currently have five different accounts I use the 30d and 90d with either cash or isk to keep running. I'll have zero accounts if this isn't resolved. The lack of the 30d and 90d options scramble the way I play/can afford to play. Most of my TC are cash purchases, not ISK. I don't need some accounts active for more than 30d at a time as I don't need a hauler 23/7 for two months, I need them for a couple of weekend at the most. I don't need my miner character 23/7 for two months as again, I only mine sporadically. however, I keep playing them. With this new method, I won't bother anymore, and I'm not sure if I'll keep playing my last one. You've effectively increased my main's method of play by $78 a year. If that's how you want to do it, I'll forget this game and go find something else. I have 6 accounts and I could not have said your last line any better, I'd stop using my computer altogether and have a normal remainder of a life if this goes through. CCP you're about to decrease your player base if you continue. You have been officialy notified!
oogs Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace	Posted - 2008.05.23 23:10:00 - [319] /signed
Lucy'Lastic	Posted - 2008.05.23 23:20:00 - [320] yup

Incidence Infinite Development Consortium	Posted - 2008.05.23 23:37:00 - [321] Don't fix it if it's not broken. This may be an income boost to CCP, but only in the short term.
Cynara Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.23 23:43:00 - [322] Originally by: Julius Kashmir continue the 30/60/90/100d gtcs and innovate the 120d/150/375d gtcs CCP! SET THE STANDARD for other MMORPGs, DON'T be a follower, be a LEADER! What he said. In many ways EVE is ahead of other MMOs - I hope this trend continues. Don't be regressive CCP!
IlluminatedOne Tycho Brahe Fan Club	Posted - 2008.05.24 01:24:00 - [323] /signed So far, EVE had the most flexible and comfortable payment system compared to all other MMOs - and I can't believe CCP is destroying it with their own hands.
Lost True Paradise project	Posted - 2008.05.24 02:11:00 - [324] /Signed
CyJet	Posted - 2008.05.24 02:14:00 - [325] Edited by: CyJet on 24/05/2008 02:14:15 /sign
Solostrom	Posted - 2008.05.24 02:16:00 - [326] /signed... dumb VP of stupid sez what?
Ethereal Sleepwalker	Posted - 2008.05.24 02:18:00 - [327] /signed
Xantor Bludberry	Posted - 2008.05.24 02:22:00 - [328] /signed
DIMFIRE	Posted - 2008.05.24 03:18:00 - [329] Edited by: DIMFIRE on 24/05/2008 03:19:05 /signed
Anhela REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.24 03:28:00 - [330] I support this idea too

Lai Lowside A Touch of Death	Posted - 2008.05.24 03:39:00 - [331] /S... S... SIGNED
aUTOKILL Invicta.	Posted - 2008.05.24 03:41:00 - [332] Edited by: aUTOKILL on 24/05/2008 03:41:00 /signed. ~~~~~~ doin it for the stats
reanimator4	Posted - 2008.05.24 04:19:00 - [333] /signed
Rovern Hashu Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.24 04:31:00 - [334] /signed
Morne Aure	Posted - 2008.05.24 05:42:00 - [335] /signed I always use 90-days cards. Why you get it out from me, mm? Please, take back 90-days cards!!!
MaximuS	Posted - 2008.05.24 06:18:00 - [336] /signed
vVPhaetonVv	Posted - 2008.05.24 06:19:00 - [337] /signed Hey CCP, Any comments? We (you customers) are waiting!
Daymio Research and Development Shop	Posted - 2008.05.24 06:20:00 - [338] /signed
Meta Pyrr	Posted - 2008.05.24 06:27:00 - [339] /signed
Grayfish	Posted - 2008.05.24 06:31:00 - [340] Edited by: Grayfish on 24/05/2008 06:30:48 /signed

HULIGANKO	Posted - 2008.05.24 06:32:00 - [341] /signed
Daymi Mur	Posted - 2008.05.24 06:33:00 - [342] Edited by: Daymi Mur on 24/05/2008 06:33:24 /signed
Zenitar	Posted - 2008.05.24 06:43:00 - [343] /signed
Notorious BIG Universal Moose Foundation	Posted - 2008.05.24 06:47:00 - [344] /signed God: Behold ye angels, I have created the ass.. Throughout the ages to come men and women shall grab hold of these and shout my name...
xena zena Catalyst Corporation Dominatus Phasmatis	Posted - 2008.05.24 07:06:00 - [345] Edited by: xena zena on 24/05/2008 07:14:13 Originally by: LeGlt There are better things than choice - streamlining systems to make them more efficient and better for all. Sometimes less is more! To give you an exmaple, there are only x amount of potential codes left under the current system and they're spread against types which may or may not sell very well. Has anyone even seen many of the 50/100 codes for sale? People had their choice and the majority ignored 50% of them. Why waste a large proportion of your potential codes on something that won't shift? By unifying the structure 100% of the codes have 100% potential to be sold. Then there are the in-game Economic factors. At the moment a 30 day code sells for approx 150m and 90 days for approx 350m. Sellers of 90 day codes get a raw deal for their higher purchase cost whilst buyers save a good 100m opting to buy a 90 day code instead of paying 450m for 3x 30 days. This is plainly out of balance and unfair to 30 day buyers and 90 day sellers. By limiting codes to 60 days only balance is restored - the buyer can pay a flat rate for their time and the seller won't get ripped off buying a higher code and selling it for less than it's equivalent value. Everybody wins... in theory... The only problem I personally have with the 60 day codes is the price. $35 seems a bit steep for a 60 day GTC when you can get a 90 day ETC for $39? One of my OLD OLD OLD gtc's 9MABZTUQ7VXN8Z8Y they all start with 9MA, I THINK, so thats 13 digits extra, of letters and numbers so 36^13, or 170,581,728,179,578,208,256 possible combinations, presuming theres some algorithm that generates the keys (dosn't have to be) that only a sub-set of those is "valid" theres still an ASTRONOMICAL amount of key-space available in the existing code structure, and even if for some magical crazy beyond imagining reason they use up that keyspace, they can just add another digit to the code and get 36 times more codes!
Pbs Pumpkin Scissors	Posted - 2008.05.24 07:30:00 - [346] /signed CCP на мыло.
Shi Lang	Posted - 2008.05.24 07:43:00 - [347] don't remember if i posted. /signed
Kecheor The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.05.24 07:43:00 - [348] /signed
Ian Kelliher Soviet Fleet Ultima Rati0	Posted - 2008.05.24 07:56:00 - [349] Edited by: Ian Kelliher on 24/05/2008 07:57:19 /signed
norfolkEG Guards of Heavens Door Absolute Guardians Syndicate	Posted - 2008.05.24 07:57:00 - [350] /signed

AAAF	Posted - 2008.05.24 08:00:00 - [351] /signed
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2008.05.24 08:08:00 - [352] /signed Let it go. I want to see how really impotent CSM are. And this issue is a perfect one to show that. -- Thanks CCP for cu
stadshagen	Posted - 2008.05.24 08:15:00 - [353] singed the player base sould have all 3 options and sneaking in raise in price is rather lame i would have expedted this kind of the from microsoft but not from ccp
Stephen HB Mystical Knights Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2008.05.24 08:15:00 - [354] /signed Posting to support the raising of this issue at the CSM. This situation (and the lack of clear - or ANY - communication) strikes me as just the sort of bone headed 'no-one will mind' stunt that the CSM is designed to defuse. ---------- Character creation guide. Originally by: Adonis 4174 You killed him to annoy him. He self-destructed to annoy you. You're annoyed thus he wins.
Invader1	Posted - 2008.05.24 08:27:00 - [355] me signed
xena zena Catalyst Corporation Dominatus Phasmatis	Posted - 2008.05.24 08:30:00 - [356] Originally by: Stephen HB /signed Posting to support the raising of this issue at the CSM. This situation (and the lack of clear - or ANY - communication) strikes me as just the sort of bone headed 'no-one will mind' stunt that the CSM is designed to defuse. Theres been communication, follow Link for the official response until next week where we may hear more from CCP RyanD, also at the bottom of the page theres another little response from him... Paints a clear picture on why they did it I think (the E14.95, or $23.60 per 30 day charge being circumvented by GTC's where they get even less due to the bulk discount to the resellers, imho.)
Kynes Harkonnen HAZCON Inc YTMND.	Posted - 2008.05.24 08:32:00 - [357] /signed
xena zena Catalyst Corporation Dominatus Phasmatis	Posted - 2008.05.24 08:32:00 - [358] Originally by: Tonto Auri /signed Let it go. I want to see how really impotent CSM are. And this issue is a perfect one to show that. I agree this will be a great yard-stick of how much influence they have.
Mahke	Posted - 2008.05.24 08:41:00 - [359] Originally by: xena zena Originally by: Tonto Auri /signed Let it go. I want to see how really impotent CSM are. And this issue is a perfect one to show that. I agree this will be a great yard-stick of how much influence they have. /signed and agree with quoted statement. If you need to raise the price because of the exchange rates, fine, but leave us our slightly more efficient 90's, and 30's for people who are perpetually poor. 60 is neither here nor there. Also, maybe sell gtc's directly at cost (i.e. less the reseller fee, or part of it) directly to players on this website? Cut out middleman means more profit margins or demand for ccp, nothing bad.
iloni atoriandra SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.05.24 08:54:00 - [360] I support this thread. The new system will cost me an extra $200 a year. Even by cancelling 1 account im paying more a year than i am now. Paying $15 is a lot cheaper than 15 Euros a month which is unfair against UK/EUR players who have to pay more to play the same game.

Hemp Invader	Posted - 2008.05.24 09:03:00 - [361] /signed I totally agree. If they want to raise prices this way i will definetly quit the game. Out of principle!
Gajowy	Posted - 2008.05.24 09:10:00 - [362] signed
X3k5 Brotherhood of the Phoenix Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.05.24 09:16:00 - [363] Edited by: X3k5 on 24/05/2008 09:16:15 signed Bring back the 30 and 90 day GTCs.
T4N4TOS Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.05.24 09:24:00 - [364] I do not think that it will help, but all...
Pliauga Militek Industries	Posted - 2008.05.24 09:29:00 - [365] More payinge options would certainly be handy, like: 30/60/90/120/180 day GTC I'd normally use subscribtion, but for some reason I have to do it manually every time. So I prefer GTC. ---------- DRONE love rulez!! 'mkay?! LONG range/"OUT OF SYSTEM" artillery
raptorHUN The All-Seeing Eye G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.05.24 09:40:00 - [366] signed raising of prices SUXX!!
Neves Cibek LFC Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.24 09:40:00 - [367] /Signed
Emerald Cortess Konstrukteure der Zukunft	Posted - 2008.05.24 09:59:00 - [368] /signed Bad idea CCP!
Pariah Ptah	Posted - 2008.05.24 10:02:00 - [369] Its a business decision & a simplification of the process. Individuals fail to realise it costs money to print and send the scratch cards than for a subscriber that pays ingame (via credit card etc.). They could of increased the price of the current cards, however I'm sure they ran a cost benefit analysis prior to implementing this. The end result is that GTC's should be more expensive then purchasing via credit card, due to the extra processes involved. * However WOW sell a GTC for 60 days for $29.99 so its a little odd. Neither signed/not signed. Pariah
Black Drag0n	Posted - 2008.05.24 10:14:00 - [370] /signed

lordleguven Noise Marines	Posted - 2008.05.24 10:17:00 - [371] /signed
DigiFusion	Posted - 2008.05.24 10:17:00 - [372] /signed
Serax	Posted - 2008.05.24 10:18:00 - [373] /signed
Garr Anders Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.05.24 10:41:00 - [374] Supporting more options (30/60/90days) than just having one (60days). ----- Garr Anders "The only winning move is not to play" is about the best damn advice anyone can get regarding arguing over the internet. - referring to the Movie WarGames 1983
LordDagon	Posted - 2008.05.24 10:50:00 - [375] Signed bad idea ccp! I want the 30 gtc back!
SerjR Die Tochter des Waldes Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.05.24 10:51:00 - [376] +1 Supporting more options (60/90/120days) than just having one (60days).
Jana Friske	Posted - 2008.05.24 10:58:00 - [377] +1 Supporting more options (30/60/90days) than just having one (60days).
Kurles	Posted - 2008.05.24 10:59:00 - [378] /me signed
Dmitriy Kirka	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:15:00 - [379] +1 Supporting more options (30/60/90days) than just having one (60days).
d'Mortaigne E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:16:00 - [380] /Signed --------------- It's great being Amarr, aint it?

Jernau Riggs	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:17:00 - [381] /signed
Daransee	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:21:00 - [382] Edited by: Daransee on 24/05/2008 11:25:21 /signed
Karrakas	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:23:00 - [383] /signed leave the status quo 4 god's sake!
Serandia	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:23:00 - [384] /signed
Ker Thoran	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:24:00 - [385] Edited by: Ker Thoran on 24/05/2008 11:25:09 /signed
Maya Lightbringer	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:27:00 - [386] /signed I need 90 days timecard it`s comfortable. Don`t remove them!
Laveaolous Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:36:00 - [387] / signed - I like my 90 day cards
OrlDragon	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:40:00 - [388] Signed. For me it's a really bad idea to remove 30 and 90d gtc while adding 60d only. this is real do not want indeed.
corban5	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:46:00 - [389] /signed
Etil DeLaFuente Res Publica Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:47:00 - [390] signed

corban5	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:47:00 - [391] /signed
Operator alpha	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:48:00 - [392] /signed
Besrezen Kantos Trade Guild Inperium	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:50:00 - [393] /signed
JIauk	Posted - 2008.05.24 11:59:00 - [394] /signed
Voltmodder	Posted - 2008.05.24 12:04:00 - [395] /signed
Vitalik vin	Posted - 2008.05.24 12:09:00 - [396] /signed
LordDagon	Posted - 2008.05.24 12:16:00 - [397] +1
DrHolliday	Posted - 2008.05.24 12:26:00 - [398] /signed
MaKuNoS Tyumen To4ka Ru United Legion	Posted - 2008.05.24 12:28:00 - [399] /signed Give 30 and 90 days back
Grarr Dexx Naval Protection Corp Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.05.24 12:44:00 - [400] I agree here!

Vitalik vin	Posted - 2008.05.24 12:49:00 - [401] +1
Dirk Fallows Galley-la	Posted - 2008.05.24 12:54:00 - [402] /signed -- Ceterum censeo reinforcements needs to stop shooting drones.
Ethaet Aliastra	Posted - 2008.05.24 12:55:00 - [403] Edited by: Ethaet on 24/05/2008 12:56:00 /signed -------------------------------------------------------------- Seriously, we need some kind of separation between the post and signature. There you go. Now that wasn't so hard
Inanna Zuni The Causality Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.05.24 12:56:00 - [404] 1. I believe that having 30-, 60-, and 90-day cards makes sense logically. The 50- and 100-day cards less so. 2. The price of being a player in EVE will, of necessity, change over time and the costs of different forms of making that payment will have different overhead costs for CCP as the provider which, not unreasonably, they may need to pass on to those people using that specific method of payment in order to not cross-subsidise one method by penalising another. 3. The pricing and availability of GTCs is very much an OOG financial and PR decision for CCP and does not, I believe, fall within the remit of the CSM who are tasked with looking at ingame issues. This is not to say that I, as a member of the CSM, do not take an interest in the outcome of this topic. IZ For self, not on behalf of the CSM
Reatu Krentor Void Spiders Fate Weavers	Posted - 2008.05.24 12:59:00 - [405] I'm sure many people won't be happy about this change, it doesn't just affect people buying GTC's and playing by using them, because CCP has taken up a leading position in how to deal with "gold-sellers" by allowing players to buy GTC and sell them for ingame currency. I believe many people play this game through this method, even possibly paying for 2-3 extra accounts on top(myself included). If the ingame price per 30 days increases I might be unable to afford to continue in this manner. 60 day GTC being the "industry standard" just because Blizzard has this truly baffles me, not to mention it baffles me more so that CCP actually intends to follow a standard. Eve(and CCP) wouldn't be where it is today if it had done that in the past! -- stuff --
Shaddy The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.05.24 13:14:00 - [406] Signed
Tweakalvos TalCorp Enterprises Einherjar Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.24 13:17:00 - [407] /signed i mean come on now why not tell your customers before u do things. i mean even the movie theater amc said they were raisen prices on concessions. before they did soemtin like this and limiting options for the players. is bad business.not seen many other companies that do mmos limit options that drastic. heck lord of the rings made bigger options aside from the 60 day time code they let u have it for life and pay only 10 bucks a month wit a long term spread. in the end someone has to pay to play your game ccp. and if cuttin the numbers on your server to alieviate lag like this is the way to go u just killed your loyal fans right there.
Ako	Posted - 2008.05.24 13:22:00 - [408] /signed
Iuris Proeliator Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.05.24 13:28:00 - [409] I respectfully disagree with the sentiment entirely. Something to realize, folks. Up until now, the 90 day GTC have cost the exact same as the subscription cost, and this is the case for most companies. However, keep in mind that with a GTC, a company is, inherently, losing some of the profit they could be making, compared to an ordinary subscription. The reasons include, but are not limited to: Design and manufacture cost of the card itself, design and manufacture cost of the box it comes in. Shipping costs, the extra work involved with dealing with retailers, and the fact that if they retail for the same price as 3 months subscription, that is AFTER the retailer has put their mark up on the product. And retail mark ups are often a surprising portion of the cost of a product, to those who don't realize it. Think about it. A retailer has to buy a product, then pay for: Store, website, employees, inventory management, etc BEFORE it can sell the product. So, all that cost comes out of the profit from each sale. And once a product is in the retail store, that typically means that the developer/publisher/manufacturer has already been paid for that product. This means that a retailer buys the product straight from the manufacturer, then they mark up the price to include their cost. So, if CCP is making $39 for a 3-month subscription, that is going STRAIGHT to them. If CCP has a card on the retail market for $39, that means they're likely only getting about HALF of that when it's sold to the retailer. And before I hear "Well then, why don't they offer the cards directly and then they can cut out the retail cost!" Go ahead, try that, and see how the retailers react. Not long ago, I had the privilege of attending the Sony Online Entertainment Fan Faire (That's the EQ folks, for those who are unfamiliar) and I got to listen to a lot of seminars they held. One was preceded by a quick Q&A with the SOE CFO, and one of the things discussed was prices, particularly online prices versus retail prices, and why online prices can't be significantly cheaper. Simply put, retailers won't allow it for the PC market, because they know the PC market, for now, needs them. So, the ball is in the retailers court, really, for the moment, which affects decisions like this one from CCP. I don't know about our Euro players, but the retail PC market in the US is dismal. Companies have to beg, borrow, and steal to get their PC games displayed and sold prominently in game stores, who have taken to half-ignoring the PC game market, since they can't put it into their "Sell, buy used at low price, sell used at mid-price" model. Now, for those who will bring up online distribution, yes, this kind of thing is EXACTLY what's pushing the digital distribution model that is starting to gain headway in PC game sales. But that model, despite Valve's Steam program, is not quite there yet. It needs more time to develop and mature. With retailers acting as they do, it is no shock that companies like CCP have deals with Valve for digital distribution, but it hasn't gotten to the point where it's given them leverage with retailers yet. Give it some time, and you'll begin to see the effects of that leverage, but until then, CCP has to play the market game, the same as just about everyone else. This step they are taking, with GTC's costing more than base subscription, is something the MMO market SHOULD HAVE done ages ago. I fully support them in this decision.
Greenbolt Un4seen Development	Posted - 2008.05.24 13:45:00 - [410] 2 thoughts and a bit more warning would be nice. i dont mind the price increase if thats what has to be done.. but i dont like removing options of having different amounts. /signed (For those who say just go play wow...well..CCP is looking at wow for business models..this isnt the best sign (battlegrounds cloneish too) --------------------------------------------------- Scordite -Who was it that said that flying minmatar is kinda like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an uzi?

area51 Aliastra	Posted - 2008.05.24 14:59:00 - [411] Edited by: area51 on 24/05/2008 14:59:32 /signed I do not mind if they increase the price, ADD 60d but KEEP 30d and 90d.
BOSSMAN69 E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.24 15:09:00 - [412] Signed Victories are only possible if there is combat Combat is only possible if there is WAR
Max Calimaris Max Calimaris Holding Corp	Posted - 2008.05.24 15:21:00 - [413] /signed When this goes ahead will existing, purchased but unused GTCs become invalid?
Ribijk	Posted - 2008.05.24 15:25:00 - [414] The removal of 30 day GTC/ETC's will hurt many players who pay for the game with said methods. I support the continued sale of 30 day cards.
fire5tar Aliastra	Posted - 2008.05.24 15:54:00 - [415] Edited by: fire5tar on 24/05/2008 15:54:18 /signed Supported!
Loki Ascanteux	Posted - 2008.05.24 15:59:00 - [416] /signed
Neb Adonis	Posted - 2008.05.24 16:06:00 - [417] /signed please, CCP, keep 30d and 90d. if need, i can live peacefully with the price rising, but not with only one option in price list
xKAU3EPx	Posted - 2008.05.24 16:59:00 - [418] /signed
Silvit	Posted - 2008.05.24 17:06:00 - [419] /signed
Montefiori	Posted - 2008.05.24 17:44:00 - [420] I disagree. 60 day GTC Must Die. 30 day GTC Forever. p.s. Sorry, I speak english badly.

Noisse	Posted - 2008.05.24 18:27:00 - [421] /signed Give 30 and 90 days back
Mildaria Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.24 18:41:00 - [422] Edited by: Mildaria on 24/05/2008 18:41:23 /signed
Jin Mein	Posted - 2008.05.24 19:02:00 - [423] /signed Equalize EVE subscription prisez..!! \o/
Boknamar The Knights Trevor	Posted - 2008.05.24 19:06:00 - [424] I don't use GTCs, but I want to see something get forced onto the CSM agenda, and this issue looks like it has some traction. Oh yeah, and I'll be sure my alt throws in his support as well.
Lee Scoresby	Posted - 2008.05.24 19:07:00 - [425] I agree with whatever Boknamar says!
Stalker Space	Posted - 2008.05.24 19:14:00 - [426] Edited by: Stalker Space on 24/05/2008 19:16:36 bad idea ccp! I want the 30 and 90 gtc back!
Admiral Thunder	Posted - 2008.05.24 19:20:00 - [427] /signed Give 30 and 90 days back
SencneS Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2008.05.24 19:31:00 - [428] The way I play MMO's is very simple, I limit myself to 1 MMO at a time. More importantly I limit myself to $120 a year in MMO monthly fees ($10 a month) At the moment I play 3 months on EVE, 1 Month away, giving me 9 months of game time a year. The 1 month break is very nice and when I return I enjoy the game a lot more. With the new 60 day gtc and the price hike, I will basically be playing 2 months on 2 months off. To stay around the $120 a year mark. The unfortunate thing about this is simply, due to the 50/50 game play I may ultimately end up not playing EVE at all. The amount of time I would be away from the game may lead to my desire to not play it at all. Sorry CCP you're not getting any more then $120 per year out of me, the only difference is, the new changes may lead to you getting $0 a year out of me. Amarr for Life
Nlex	Posted - 2008.05.24 19:46:00 - [429] Leaving 90-day GTC in availability would be very nice. Mostly because they divide a year in 4 periods so well. I would not even mind to pay for them more (a little), if I could still pay less times a year.
Wmaster DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.05.24 20:02:00 - [430] Edited by: Wmaster on 24/05/2008 20:02:46 /signed Give 30 and 90 days back!!!

steave435 laloutre Corp	Posted - 2008.05.24 20:15:00 - [431] Signed
Lu'Marat	Posted - 2008.05.24 20:28:00 - [432] Edited by: Lu''Marat on 24/05/2008 20:31:41 I'm really disappointed by CCP. Not because of the price raise - EVE is a great game, and with the past and coming expansions it is well worth its money, even at the new rates. What I don't like is how CCP is trying to sell this. This isn't about industry standards - industry standard means flexible options, not a single option. This also isn't about simplifying things - there is nothing to fix here; I've never heard anyone complain about the choices we have. This is simply a price raise, and CCP is trying to feed us rubbish PR waffle. Do they really think we're that stupid? Shame on you, CCP. Have at them, CSM.
Space Hog NEW DAWN CO INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.05.24 20:31:00 - [433] /signed Local Fix-AN EVE SIGN OFF
mrMosfet	Posted - 2008.05.24 20:46:00 - [434] Edited by: mrMosfet on 24/05/2008 20:46:21 /signed or 60 days should cost $26
ninjaholic Aliastra	Posted - 2008.05.24 20:50:00 - [435] Instead of signing like mad on a petition to keep things the way they have been for a few months, why don't you consider that CCP probably had to make a difficult decision in removing the 30 & 90 day timecodes, and minimally increase the price some while creating a generic 60-day timecode is probably their solution to this difficult decision. I don't think it's fair to sign a petition to go against this decision, when clearly every addition and modification to the game over the last 5 years has been done to make the game better, faster, and different from other MMORPG's. They even listen to forum post we make, but clearly they feel that explaining their reasons for this decision would be counter-productive to it, which has happened many times before. Creating a thread like this and supporting it only shows distrust for CCP and contempt for their decisions. Clearly they feel that this is the best way to proceed. And to be honest, they have my support too. You moaners should be supporting CCP. They have my support, as I've yet to see a bad decision. LAG-FREE fight-record tool needs your support!
Rockvell Russian Specnaz Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.24 21:17:00 - [436] Edited by: Rockvell on 24/05/2008 21:17:01 /signed
Rosur Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.05.24 21:25:00 - [437] Edited by: Rosur on 24/05/2008 21:25:09 Also i would like to add if ccp is getting rid of 30days then why advertise them on the front page http://www.eve-online.com/news/newsOfEve.asp?newsID=559
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.24 21:30:00 - [438] If they must get rid of 30 day timecode at least keep 90 day ones at a discounted price of 43.50$
Shov'al	Posted - 2008.05.24 21:33:00 - [439] Signed.
Jin'May	Posted - 2008.05.24 22:09:00 - [440] On paper it may look like you'll earn more money that way CCP. Your stats sheets and numbers probably tell you so. But there's something your data can't predict : how this change will affect the behaviour of your costumers. And that's something I can give you insight about: I am paying for 4 accounts right now. I pay 1 with credit card and 3 with ISK. If the 30d GTC are removed I'll stop paying for 2 of those accounts. Make your math now. Tell me whether 60d are such a good day after all?

Dealth Striker Striker Ltd	Posted - 2008.05.24 22:21:00 - [441] Edited by: Dealth Striker on 24/05/2008 22:22:48 From CCP's point of view this change makes sense: - cash flow income can be budgeted more accurately with only one GTC period (60 days) - keeping track of multiple GTC periods probably involved resources that can be either eliminated or used elsewhere - include a price increase - try to get more revenue by eliminating the 30 day GTC so that people buy the more expensive 60 day one. Eliminate the 50 since you are eliminating the 90 and 100 (these latter 2 brought in less revenue than what the potential is for the 60 day one) - test the waters to see how the general public reacts to this change before looking at introducing a monthly subscription price increase - it is easier to test with this in case they have to roll it back (smaller market when compared to monthly subscription client base) as well as having a fixed point for calculating loss of revenue due to clients leaving vs revenue gained from future purchases - increase demand (therefore revenue) on old stock of 30, 50, 90, + 100 GTCs as clients will be grabbing them up to beat having to pay for the 60 day GTCs So this effects me by the fact that I have 2 accts that are paid via GTCs paid by ISK. I have left enough isk in each acct to buy a 60 day GTC each if I want after the current GTCs expire. So my 2 accts mean practically nothing to CCP (other than I am buying someone's GTCs that they paid cash for). I can honestly say that whatever I do does not matter - lol --------------------- Communication is Key!
xena zena Catalyst Corporation Dominatus Phasmatis	Posted - 2008.05.24 23:19:00 - [442] Originally by: ninjaholic [snip].. I've yet to see a bad decision. MuhahahahasdahfasdfhaAHAHDADHADHAFAHSDHAAHAHAHAAHA
Alphrenel The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2008.05.24 23:48:00 - [443] Nice, supported! ___________________________________ Best regards, ALPR CEO Alphrenel Alphrenel Productions - making nice videos for everyone!
Market owner	Posted - 2008.05.25 00:03:00 - [444] If this goes through, out of all my accounts I may keep 1, but most likely if CCP gets rid of the 30 and 90 day cards I shall stop playing entirely. /signed at least give us a reason, I mean a real one.
Daelin Blackleaf Naqam Project Alice.	Posted - 2008.05.25 00:26:00 - [445] Originally by: ninjaholic Creating a thread like this and supporting it only shows distrust for CCP and contempt for their decisions. Drop the plural on decisions (because I'm sure few of us here think CCP always get it wrong) and that is exactly what we are trying to show. Though not specific to this case if we want this game that we enjoy so much to survive we need make sure CCP know when they do something that negatively affects a large portion of their subscribers. If we don't subscription numbers will simply drop while CCP are left scratching their heads wondering where it all went wrong until they have to release the hamsters. It's called feedback, and in a case where many of their customers are about to be forced to pay more than others I'd say it's important. ---------------------------- "I'm sorry Sir your European I'll have to charge you 58% extra"
Sanakis	Posted - 2008.05.25 01:09:00 - [446] /signed
Soleil Fournier AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.25 01:15:00 - [447] support bringing back more options to players!!! If you raise prices, that's ok imho, but leave the options!
Zerdo	Posted - 2008.05.25 02:18:00 - [448] signed
Allods	Posted - 2008.05.25 02:19:00 - [449] Edited by: Allods on 25/05/2008 02:25:57 /signed Check here if want to give your support to the idea/discussion going on
Gaerwyn	Posted - 2008.05.25 02:26:00 - [450] Agreed with all points in the OP. All of this is a very thinly disguised way of saying we want more money imho.

H3XXX Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.05.25 03:19:00 - [451] Yep agreed also. Please bring back the 30 and 90 day GTCs.
Kandrew Dorak Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.05.25 05:18:00 - [452] Agreed. Bring back the 30 and 90 day cards.
BlackDeej Aquila Astralis	Posted - 2008.05.25 06:17:00 - [453] /signed I would also like to know how it is fair that Europeans pay the same in Euros as Americans do in Dollars - surely an even subscription regardless of Nationality makes sense. Quote: Light is faster than sound, this is why some people appear bright until they speak.
Frobbe The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.25 06:35:00 - [454] /signed
AlphaViscera	Posted - 2008.05.25 06:45:00 - [455] /signed Lets see if the CSM has any real sway or if its just lipservice. Also this increase better not be because CCP have to pay for flight costs of the CSM's, if so, please hold online Teleconfrences.
Lord Recarus	Posted - 2008.05.25 07:19:00 - [456] I want the 30 and 90 day ones back!
Dr Kalkyl	Posted - 2008.05.25 08:33:00 - [457] /signed Please don't ever treat your player base like idiots. This announcement looks like a big PR department f***up. If you need to raise prices just go straight out with it and say so, doing it like this will cause way more grief. And please properly explain the reasoning behind your choices, or just announce them as facts. Don't hide behind marketing mumbo jumbo, most of your player base does deserve more respect then this. But the real issue is the Euro vs. Dollar rates and the big cost difference for the same product. Don't ever think your player base won't do their utmost to abuse any differences in pricing. My first order of the day now will be to look into getting access to a US based credit card. Thus me still paying less for the same product...
Ryuga VonRhaiden Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2008.05.25 08:43:00 - [458] the user base is still growing... there was no need for price increase... :/ Do not try and find the signature... that's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth... There is no signature.
BeLoMoP	Posted - 2008.05.25 08:50:00 - [459]
Nec PARABELLUMS The Confederation	Posted - 2008.05.25 09:03:00 - [460] /signed

Galmar Grief State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.25 09:27:00 - [461] /signed As has been said before, this looks like poorly disguised attempt at raising the prices. Unless there's a real important reason for the removal of 30/90 days and an introduction of 60 day cards (like say keygens are everywhere) then I really do not understand this at all. Leave prices alone, leave 30 and 90's alone but introduce 60 by all means. - - - UI Suggestion for Missiles - Can we please turn the damn things off / disable the shake?
Ren Tales Crimson Flag	Posted - 2008.05.25 09:36:00 - [462] /signed ---- Want to learn how to yar? Want to teach young pirates? Crimson Flag is Recruiting
xHedgEx Solar Dragons SOLAR FLEET	Posted - 2008.05.25 10:51:00 - [463] /signed
Abadonna	Posted - 2008.05.25 11:09:00 - [464] /signed
Sunwillow Auryn	Posted - 2008.05.25 12:18:00 - [465] Edited by: Sunwillow Auryn on 25/05/2008 12:18:54 I don't use them myself, but if I did I would want flexibility. /signed (edit to actually register vote :)
Salicylate BLACK-FLAG	Posted - 2008.05.25 12:46:00 - [466] I agree
Andy Emerald	Posted - 2008.05.25 13:43:00 - [467] /signed
Kyrjanen Janen	Posted - 2008.05.25 14:07:00 - [468] /signed
Commodore KyThung Perkone	Posted - 2008.05.25 14:16:00 - [469] 30-days GTC was the only thing that bound me to EVE actually. My play graphic was - 1 month of fun and after that - 1 month of block (real life and stuff, you know). So, now i will think twice about buying 60d gtc and even playing EVE. PS: give it back, dammit! )
Vuerro	Posted - 2008.05.25 14:19:00 - [470] Edited by: Vuerro on 25/05/2008 14:19:25 /signed

Bubba1977 Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.05.25 14:37:00 - [471] /signed
ManSocket	Posted - 2008.05.25 14:37:00 - [472] /signed
ellie mayer	Posted - 2008.05.25 15:34:00 - [473] Originally by: AlphaViscera /signed Lets see if the CSM has any real sway or if its just lipservice. Also this increase better not be because CCP have to pay for flight costs of the CSM's, if so, please hold online Teleconfrences. Same thought, Isk be better spent on mid slots for Amarr ships tbh.
Ferion Virian Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.25 16:55:00 - [474] /signed
Hector O'Mara	Posted - 2008.05.25 16:59:00 - [475] /signed with 2 accounts
Patalogoanatom	Posted - 2008.05.25 17:13:00 - [476] Edited by: Patalogoanatom on 25/05/2008 17:13:32 /signed
Zulimu Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.25 17:25:00 - [477] Edited by: Zulimu on 25/05/2008 17:25:06 /signed
Mah Jong	Posted - 2008.05.25 17:33:00 - [478] /signed
Da'Neth Federation Zone Operations Command	Posted - 2008.05.25 17:54:00 - [479] I also pay with 30 or 90 day cards for my main and always 30 day for my alt. and yes we suld have a 60 day card if we want but it this dose not need to be the only way --------- Join ZOCOM FW corp
Lareon Denery Project Aquarion Valkyrie Deus Ex.	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:07:00 - [480] /signed

Amarr Holymight Bat Country Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:09:00 - [481] Edited by: Amarr Holymight on 25/05/2008 18:09:22 /signed
Vasya Kosyakov Thunder Academy	Posted - 2008.05.25 18:26:00 - [482] /signed
Zashibala	Posted - 2008.05.25 19:38:00 - [483] /signed
Guderian3	Posted - 2008.05.25 20:40:00 - [484] /signed
Mangiaroccia MotorSaikol LadrUNZ G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.05.25 20:42:00 - [485] / signed
Demiurges	Posted - 2008.05.25 21:32:00 - [486] /signed Well... It's just a business-move. But I personally hate when it's done like behind my back. Why just don't tell subscribers something like: "Dear players, we are experiencing some problems with cash... so we have to make a price a bit, y'know, higher, so... please excuse us for any inconvenience or anything... umm... Best Regards, CCP Team " Just be honest, dear CCP Team. If you want to raise the price, just SAY IT. But NEVER TRY to make fools of players. /signed
Winry Rockbell	Posted - 2008.05.25 22:27:00 - [487] / signed
Hohenheim OfLight Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.25 22:28:00 - [488] / signed ---------------------------------------------- Is mining for a hel mad? or just ambishus?
MentaFox StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.05.25 22:30:00 - [489] agreed ----------------------
AtomizerX	Posted - 2008.05.26 01:42:00 - [490] I agree. Make adjustments where necessary, but do not remove features or options.

Tyr Vaantau Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.05.26 02:09:00 - [491] /signed ------
SS Archon SoT	Posted - 2008.05.26 04:31:00 - [492] /sign
Iss Mneur ARK-CORP SATRAPY	Posted - 2008.05.26 05:06:00 - [493] Edited by: Iss Mneur on 26/05/2008 05:07:04 /signed Originally by: Avalira CCP if you want to raise the prices say so clearly, I hate having to take out my calculator just to see I'm being taken for a ride. Absolutely. Originally by: Avalira Secondly some of us find it useful to buy only a 30-day card or a 90-day card. What was the real reason in removing them? And since when does CCP obey to industry standards? Isn't innovating the way forward? Then why not actually give us more options instead of reducing them, like perhaps 120-day cards? Absolutely, an official and clear explanation (keep the spin doctors away). Don't treat us like idiots.
Noisette Tata	Posted - 2008.05.26 06:22:00 - [494] Noone wants to pay higher prices.
aUTOKILL Invicta.	Posted - 2008.05.26 06:43:00 - [495] i like my gtc's plz keep them. ~~~~~~ doin it for the stats
Syberbolt8 Gen Tec	Posted - 2008.05.26 06:44:00 - [496] I play almost completely on GTC's bought with isk, now the prices are going to sky rocket for the lack of options, It would be nice to have a 60 day option, but ccp should keep the 30 and 90 day options as well, no other game corp sells just 60 day cards, that was a crock. my .02 isk anyway... /signed
Wung Shei	Posted - 2008.05.26 08:43:00 - [497] /signed
RetroVertigo Macabre Votum Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.26 08:52:00 - [498] /signed higher prices WILL mean less players, bad move on ccp's part.
Yazon D	Posted - 2008.05.26 10:04:00 - [499] /signed
Mirax Wessiri Rising Force Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:18:00 - [500] /signed

Spring Wind NorthWest Russian Corp United Legion	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:20:00 - [501] /signed
Akarianna	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:33:00 - [502] as an industry standard this is the 1st game I have ever played that even allowed the purchase of ingame currency in any form or the trading of characters between totally different people for that matter so to say you want to keep up with the jones is kinda bull to me Its about money they now can charge you pretty much the same price for 60 days as they used to charge for 90 and they havent increased thier service of the game in anyway as far as I can see you put in a petition and its days and days b4 they answer you,if you want to conform to industry standards answer your petitions in a timely manner like most every game in the industry
TeenageRiot	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:43:00 - [503] Totally agreed, a official response with their reasonings would be great. i need 90 gtk!!!
Nastasia Muse deii feram	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:53:00 - [504] I agree: this was a bad move, dishonestly handled. On the upside i expect to see a glut of cheap alts on the market :D
Demitria Fernir Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.05.26 11:55:00 - [505] the idea of adding yet another gametime card is a great idea. removing the old 30d/90d gamecard is not. /signed 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101001 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101001
Vital3000	Posted - 2008.05.26 14:07:00 - [506] /signed
Lehar	Posted - 2008.05.26 14:53:00 - [507] /signed
Tacito	Posted - 2008.05.26 15:10:00 - [508] /signed
Archaeologist	Posted - 2008.05.26 15:13:00 - [509]
Shaun	Posted - 2008.05.26 16:11:00 - [510] /Signed

Kyuden	Posted - 2008.05.26 16:13:00 - [511] /Signed
Raindrop VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 16:35:00 - [512] Raindrop It only takes a raindrop to cool the market. 100% Carebear and loving it. Trader. Hauler.
Lulu Bint	Posted - 2008.05.26 18:13:00 - [513] /signed
Seabhac BudifulBC	Posted - 2008.05.26 18:27:00 - [514] I wish my lawn was emo, so it would cut itself.
Krav Egad Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.26 19:25:00 - [515] Supported. I want to know why it makes a single bit of difference to keep my options open to 30/60/90 day GTCs. CCP wants to raise the prices, fine, but own up to that. Don't remove the other options. Just change their rates. Krav ===== Stacking Penalties and you
Krasnij Okjabre MASS Exodus Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2008.05.26 19:54:00 - [516] /signed. A price rise I can live with, but to take 30 days play time (I buy 90 day cards) off me and charge me 30% more for the privelige is tantamount to robbery. Nice one CCP, you've just given yourselves a license to print money. I sincerely hope this dumb idea bites you in the backside. Kras. You'd be amazed how fast a cast lives run out when you have a hammer.
Carnage42 Khar-Toba Factory	Posted - 2008.05.26 20:59:00 - [517] I Want 30 Days GTC -> +/-15$ 60 Days GTC -> +/-28$ 90 Days GTC -> +/-40$ "The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle"
Apophis Omega M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2008.05.26 21:54:00 - [518] /signed. CCP just wanna lie to us and make more money. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Funkert Vice And Valour Fang Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.26 22:05:00 - [519] /signed ... if u want to raise the prices just tell us (and why :) ) dont remove 1 month cards.... it will **** a large part of your playerbase off, and it will also make new players less likely to keep playing after their trial account
RatzoRizzo	Posted - 2008.05.26 23:03:00 - [520] /signed

Theramin Dogon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.26 23:08:00 - [521] Edited by: Theramin Dogon on 26/05/2008 23:08:37 ^^^^^^^ people need to learn to click checkbox itt ^^^^^^^ This is an issue that needs clarification from CCP, not the CSM.
Finedele Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.26 23:21:00 - [522] Supported like hell!
Erim Solfara House of Solfara	Posted - 2008.05.26 23:30:00 - [523] I concur, been using 30 day time codes for a while now, and I don't mind the price fluctuating so much (although it'd be nice if it didn't), I don't want to have to pay for 60 days on the trot.
Walter Skinner	Posted - 2008.05.26 23:33:00 - [524] /signed Getting rid of the 30 day option is insane considering world credit crunch. Paying for Eve and mortgage too will become impossible without the 30 day option.
DasDizzy Violent Vikings	Posted - 2008.05.26 23:49:00 - [525] /signed In federate gallente, armor tanks YOU
tarin adur Aliastra	Posted - 2008.05.27 00:26:00 - [526] Definently....
Snake Tanuki ZiTek	Posted - 2008.05.27 01:14:00 - [527] /signed. I can live with a little price change, however I want the flexibility of 30/60/90 days, not only 60. CCP can sell GTCs in a bulk and let resellers sort out payment issues with the various customers, so why castrate them and lead more people into credit card or bank debit abos? That means more payment issues and more customer support for CCP directly. All your goats are belong to us!
Emilly Marelor Federal European Industry Science and Research	Posted - 2008.05.27 02:44:00 - [528] /Signed
Alexsano	Posted - 2008.05.27 02:51:00 - [529] /signed CCP MAKE EVE NOT WARCRAFT! imho eve is the best mmorpg in ourtimes (with it elder population, manchkin free XPerience system, and so on ... flexible pay system?). But how long? We knew that prices on hydrocarbons is growing up, cause of it entire life has risen in price. CCP. Simple rise your GTC price, let lives present paying system with 30\60\90 gtc!!! p.s. my second post in 2 years (first was in GTC thread)
Beta Dog	Posted - 2008.05.27 04:20:00 - [530] /signed

Aadi Grox Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.05.27 05:31:00 - [531] Originally by: mynnna ADD 60 day timecards, but don't make them the only option, imo. pretty much this
White Don	Posted - 2008.05.27 06:36:00 - [532] /me and my corp signed
Lava Sky FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.27 07:03:00 - [533] /signed
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.05.27 07:37:00 - [534] adds this to the list You just got your CSM support, if you haven't already. --- Thanks for all that supported me. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you.
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.05.27 08:08:00 - [535] As long as the disparity between euro and usd continues, GTCs are the only option for Europeans to save on monthly costs. Some price change to the GTC could be done (i.e. increase the usd cost) but please leave 30 and 90 day GTCs available. --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed !
ArmyOfMe hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.27 08:18:00 - [536] can someone give me a link to the news about the changes???
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.05.27 09:40:00 - [537] Originally by: ArmyOfMe can someone give me a link to the news about the changes??? It's in big fat letters on the main page, you lazy bum. Price comparison --- Thanks for all that supported me. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you.
Darriele	Posted - 2008.05.27 10:56:00 - [538] I guess only a 66,6666666(6) days ETC should suffice. Lets get it straight, as a customer i dont want to be forced to buy something just because you want "to simplify the ETC reseller program and attune our product offerings with industry standards". What industry standards is CCP talking about may I ask? (Throw me a ISO if you dare) Say NO to 60 day ETC/GTC.
Vessen Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.27 11:27:00 - [539] Don't forget plz, that valid credit cards are not availible in many corners of the earth. gtc are really the only way to play EVE for somebody. 30/60/90 gtc ftw!
Plague Black 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:10:00 - [540] Edited by: Plague Black on 27/05/2008 12:10:59 I hate greed. And Hipocrisy! You serve us the player council, "satro-sljive" you are listening to what player population has to say and then you raise the prices like this. I see you for what you are. Bad CCP. I support player base in this protest.

Timur Khagan	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:12:00 - [541] /signed
Doctor Lechter	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:12:00 - [542] /signed
RazorCRO The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:13:00 - [543] Edited by: RazorCRO on 27/05/2008 12:15:31 It's ok with me if you need to ge tprices up...but killind options like 30 and 90 days is just wrong.
Rizzen DeVir	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:16:00 - [544] Edited by: Rizzen DeVir on 27/05/2008 12:16:09 /signed
Grind Kerensky	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:19:00 - [545] /signed /protest dont take the 30d gtc -___-
Avok COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:30:00 - [546] /signed Bring them back
qRTA Over 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:34:00 - [547] /signed
JiJiCle COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:37:00 - [548] /flood erm /signed
Cpt Iwan 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:40:00 - [549] Bad move by ccp.
Raul necrobie COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.05.27 12:51:00 - [550] /signed Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])

Asper Gillus Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.05.27 13:02:00 - [551] Industry-Standard? Which one? It sounds more like: we raise prices and hope the stupid *****s that are our customers don't get aware of it... but they do To make it clear: - energy/fuel/water prices are rising, - food prices are rising, - interest-rates are rising - taxes are rising - medical care fees are rising and so on and so forth; until somewhere down a long, long list it comes to: - computergame prices are rising wages on the other hand are NOT rising... now... GUESS on which of the above ppl will save money first?
Dezorijented 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.27 13:05:00 - [552] /signed Give back old GTC !!
Ooc Pas 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.27 13:10:00 - [553] /signed
ArmyOfMe hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.27 13:21:00 - [554] have to say /SIGNED after reading the news
Nemrod DeRiva COLSUP	Posted - 2008.05.27 14:22:00 - [555] /signed
Ian McFellow	Posted - 2008.05.27 15:28:00 - [556] /signed
javer 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.27 15:29:00 - [557] sigh covering your price diffrence/costs based on euros is well and ok but stop trying to make it sound like your not changing price second issue norway is still charged euro tax and in euros even if our connection to either is the same as switserland none! and yet they dont pay those afaik -------------------------------------------- Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their Level and beat you with experience.
crazy bariga	Posted - 2008.05.27 15:42:00 - [558] /signed /protest
Guotman	Posted - 2008.05.27 15:55:00 - [559] /signed
Jouet	Posted - 2008.05.27 15:57:00 - [560] /signed

4MX	Posted - 2008.05.27 15:57:00 - [561] Баба-яга против!!! Give back old GTK!!!
Gui k'ate	Posted - 2008.05.27 16:02:00 - [562] /signed
Achuran Whiz	Posted - 2008.05.27 16:02:00 - [563] /signed
Zhero Akior	Posted - 2008.05.27 16:03:00 - [564] /signed
ApXuBaTop	Posted - 2008.05.27 16:12:00 - [565] /signed I want the 30 gtc back!
Akkom the united	Posted - 2008.05.27 16:14:00 - [566] /sign
Jack Haydn	Posted - 2008.05.27 16:36:00 - [567] /signed!
Koekrijt Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner	Posted - 2008.05.27 16:43:00 - [568] /signed
Jay Chandler	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:12:00 - [569] Edited by: Jay Chandler on 27/05/2008 17:13:28 /signed
Tangled Webs	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:17:00 - [570] Edited by: Tangled Webs on 27/05/2008 17:18:28 /signed

Salisha Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:26:00 - [571] /signed! -------------------- "If you take to the skies, I want to be your wings"
Iown Ewe Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.27 17:32:00 - [572] This is a very bad move by CCP and it may be enough to convince me to shut down all my accounts and go play something else.
Tara Tempest	Posted - 2008.05.27 18:32:00 - [573] /signed
Jan Andromede	Posted - 2008.05.27 18:36:00 - [574] /signed
NeverL Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.27 18:40:00 - [575] Remove GTC!!! __ We are not retreating - we are advancing in another direction - General Douglas MacArthur
Lasselanta	Posted - 2008.05.27 18:42:00 - [576] sign. leave gtc to us.
Ai Dar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.27 18:43:00 - [577] Remove those things plz
Abriana Overlord Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.27 19:09:00 - [578] Posting in support of OP
Kneebone	Posted - 2008.05.27 19:47:00 - [579] straight forward issue /sign
Greyah	Posted - 2008.05.27 20:09:00 - [580] /signed A modist price increase may be one of the reasons for the change; However I think the main reasons for this change is revenue forecasting and revenue recognition. From a business perspective it's easier to forecast revenue with an individual playing 3 accounts full time, then 6 (or more) accounts part time (switching between active / paid accounts). - as an example. An effect of this change might also be the decrease in the number of accounts that are only active part-time. Players who switch between active (paid) accounts back and forth, letting one laps unpaid while another is active and vise-versa add overhead to the database (storing all the character data, personal effects, etc.,) while that account is inactive. I don't really know. But I'd like CCP to address the reason for the change... in plain language not sales legalese.

Slock Cashious BKs Retail and Grill	Posted - 2008.05.27 20:55:00 - [581] Edited by: Slock Cashious on 27/05/2008 20:56:04 /Signed
Aeriose	Posted - 2008.05.27 21:55:00 - [582] /signed
Apollo Ronde	Posted - 2008.05.27 22:02:00 - [583] If 30 day GTCs did not exist I would not have continued playing past the first 14 days. /signed
innot Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.27 22:06:00 - [584] /Signed
Knaz Vladimir Space Plague SOLAR WING	Posted - 2008.05.27 22:46:00 - [585] /sign To me payment only for 30 days is personally convenient. Return 30 day time payment.
ceyriot Induseng Enterprises R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.28 00:58:00 - [586] I'm really disappointed with CCP's decision in this matter...Many people i know run off GTCs, and it only works for them with 30 day ones - as they are only ~150, and easy to get hold of... Also, I would like to have more options, not less. so, /signed. Faction Store - Killboard
Delphi Disra Dawn of Fire Black-Out	Posted - 2008.05.28 05:34:00 - [587] 35% price increase is unjustified just keep 30d and 90d gtcs at the same prices, get rid of 50 and 100's DONT DO THIS!
Unvisibility	Posted - 2008.05.28 05:42:00 - [588] /signed If this issue, currently at 20 (TWENTY) pages of replies, doesn't reach the minimum required level of support to get raised as a CSM meeting then it will be a clear marker of how broken the entire CSM concept is.
Ma'A Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.28 05:54:00 - [589] /signed
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.05.28 06:26:00 - [590] Age of Conan $29.95 Tabula Rasa, City of Heroes, Lineage, Lineage II: The Chaotic Throne, City of Villians, Auto Assault $29.95 World of Warcraft $29.95 Eve Online: $34.95 Industry standards my behind. --- Thanks for all that supported me. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you.

Exill	Posted - 2008.05.28 06:46:00 - [591] Do you want no increase game's cost? Say so clearly. 90-days - for old players (we want 120-days card) & 30-days card for noobs if they want to ISK buy of game. /signed
Exilleb	Posted - 2008.05.28 06:48:00 - [592] /signed
iterion	Posted - 2008.05.28 07:42:00 - [593] /signed
sharpscg 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.28 08:38:00 - [594] /signed CCP got their noses way up in the clouds imo. You're only gonna lose players to other mmo's with this change. EVE is already unique in some aspects ingame than other popular/similar mmo's, you dont need to make it unique payment wise...
KhumChe Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.28 09:36:00 - [595] /signed
Kurt Gergard Federal European Industry Science and Research	Posted - 2008.05.28 09:44:00 - [596] /signed i cannot aford to pay my account by rl money and buying longer timed gtc by isk will be just too expensive "No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke
Pavel421	Posted - 2008.05.28 09:49:00 - [597] Edited by: Pavel421 on 28/05/2008 09:56:52 /signed
Sniper EMP	Posted - 2008.05.28 09:53:00 - [598] Edited by: Sniper EMP on 28/05/2008 09:54:20 /signed Knaz Vladimir, +1
Andrey Alexeev	Posted - 2008.05.28 10:20:00 - [599] /signed
M0rf3u	Posted - 2008.05.28 10:33:00 - [600] /signed

Fabounette gnap	Posted - 2008.05.28 10:51:00 - [601] / signed
ProSK CosmoFleet of Russia	Posted - 2008.05.28 10:52:00 - [602] /signed
Lo3d3R MAFIA	Posted - 2008.05.28 10:53:00 - [603] 35% price increase via some vague mumbling acting like its no bigdeal post my foot!!!!!! ___________________ Sexy Time:
Andy Moo	Posted - 2008.05.28 12:57:00 - [604] I agree that the removal of the 30 day GTC and replacing it with a single time card is a bad idea, especially as the pricing of the new 60 day GTC card is a blatent attempt to charge more to play the game. /signed.
RagnarH Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.05.28 13:05:00 - [605] signed !! stop being an ass CCP. ----------------------------------- Corp 1 Allstars - Chief of Operations
Pendura	Posted - 2008.05.28 13:07:00 - [606] I totally agree, just say it when you want to rais prices (it mostly has to do with the Euro/dollar vallue these days)
Who You	Posted - 2008.05.28 13:23:00 - [607] signed
Raguun LDK Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.05.28 14:14:00 - [608] /signed
Lanscaper	Posted - 2008.05.28 15:00:00 - [609] I don't have time to read all the pages of the topics born from these news about 60day GTC's, but i totally disagree. I would rather accept a price raise on the existing GTC's. CCP please think about it.
Alfonso Priskin	Posted - 2008.05.28 15:08:00 - [610] /signed

Gorbon Hauler Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.28 17:38:00 - [611] /signed
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.28 17:44:00 - [612] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 28/05/2008 17:45:09 This is going to be the first player-raised issue on the agenda at the 2nd CSM meeting this coming Saturday. If it passes the vote it will be incorporated into the Iceland agenda and we'll be pressing for a detailed answer to the questions raised in this thread. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Valishka GHOST RANGERS Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.28 18:13:00 - [613] signed xx
Pushtan The BlackHand Order FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.05.28 18:48:00 - [614] /signed x over 9000
Amarr Holymight Bat Country Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.05.28 21:41:00 - [615] Signed
Sigourney Reaver	Posted - 2008.05.28 21:41:00 - [616] /signed
Vvaren VonSchlegel	Posted - 2008.05.28 22:42:00 - [617] /signed
Elseix	Posted - 2008.05.28 22:47:00 - [618] This is a stupid money grab by ccp? c/d
Karando Random Goods	Posted - 2008.05.29 00:57:00 - [619] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 28/05/2008 17:45:09 This is going to be the first player-raised issue on the agenda at the 2nd CSM meeting this coming Saturday. If it passes the vote it will be incorporated into the Iceland agenda and we'll be pressing for a detailed answer to the questions raised in this thread. yay! oh, and consider all these people "signing" the thread without checking the "support this topic" option.
Marioneta	Posted - 2008.05.29 01:30:00 - [620] /signed If CCP's intention is to dampen new player participation (and potentially make other's second-guess membership), they might succeed with this increase.

Piros Fon'Debris	Posted - 2008.05.29 06:18:00 - [621] Edited by: Piros Fon''Debris on 29/05/2008 06:18:46 /signed
Nobues Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.05.29 06:21:00 - [622] sign Webhosting, teamspeak and Killboard for you, your corp, and your Alliance Click me for more info
RN Jianaran	Posted - 2008.05.29 06:49:00 - [623] /signed
Phroneo Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.29 06:49:00 - [624] I love my 30 day cards due to their convenience. -- It may be that the old astrologers had the truth exactly reversed, when they believed that the stars controlled the destinies of men. The time may come when men control the destinies of stars. ACC
Sparkinator Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.05.29 07:15:00 - [625] Agreed, I like my 30 day cards. --------------------------- Your neighborhood sociopath.
Grismar The Establishment	Posted - 2008.05.29 08:11:00 - [626]
Argonicus Wastion Dominion Death or Glory	Posted - 2008.05.29 09:29:00 - [627] I use 90 day cards so why i must pay same money for 60 days? /signed
Social EnEmy	Posted - 2008.05.29 09:41:00 - [628] /signed
xena zena freelancers inc Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.05.29 09:45:00 - [629] Originally by: Karando Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 28/05/2008 17:45:09 This is going to be the first player-raised issue on the agenda at the 2nd CSM meeting this coming Saturday. If it passes the vote it will be incorporated into the Iceland agenda and we'll be pressing for a detailed answer to the questions raised in this thread. yay! oh, and consider all these people "signing" the thread without checking the "support this topic" option. Exactly, I don't think there are any posts that are don't support the topic. I think it's just too confusing and new for people to notice taht check box to "support" It needs to be MUCH more obvious IMHO.
LordSwift New Eden Regimental Navy	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:02:00 - [630] Keep the Same time codes. Even witha price hike. If it keeps the game running and expanding im all in

Major Raditz MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:20:00 - [631] *******s to you cpp if you do this. I hope you go down the bloody drain.
Lensver	Posted - 2008.05.29 12:26:00 - [632] If they want to raise their prise and delete 30,90 days gtc than lets stop the game for some months guys and we will se which is better for them, play or dont
Eirikk	Posted - 2008.05.29 13:57:00 - [633] /signed
NoNameNewbie Raynor Heavy Industries	Posted - 2008.05.29 14:15:00 - [634] /signed
Grozen Bulgarian Experienced Crackers The OSS	Posted - 2008.05.29 16:14:00 - [635] /signed knowledge is power
Mhorbaine The Renegades Asylum	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:50:00 - [636] /signed i have no worries about the price hike - sh"t happens as they say... removing the 90 day card tho... makes me wonder about financing my alts :( Mhorb
Artibane	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:51:00 - [637] /signed (account no 2.. afterall... every vote increases the percentages) Mhorb
Rexelll	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:52:00 - [638] /signed (last of the 3 accounts :P) Mhorb
Dorrenn	Posted - 2008.05.29 19:31:00 - [639] /signed
Gotrek65 Industrial Warlords Dominatus Phasmatis	Posted - 2008.05.30 00:46:00 - [640] /signed I pay for 6 accounts using GTCs, if GTC prices go much higher i'd classify EVE as work and not play.

Shani Anger Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.30 07:35:00 - [641] /signed
Stephannus Calimben Trill Crabulas Nihil-Obstat	Posted - 2008.05.30 07:46:00 - [642] /signed
Aggrkuk	Posted - 2008.05.30 08:23:00 - [643] /signed
Thea Yulivee Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner	Posted - 2008.05.30 08:32:00 - [644] /signed
Avgard Quaweh	Posted - 2008.05.30 09:44:00 - [645] /signed
Ralle030583 The Wild Hunt Pure.	Posted - 2008.05.30 10:16:00 - [646] /signed
Papusik	Posted - 2008.05.30 10:49:00 - [647] /signed
Nemizzida	Posted - 2008.05.30 10:52:00 - [648] /signed
Vozzmezdie	Posted - 2008.05.30 10:55:00 - [649] /signed
Mbopa	Posted - 2008.05.30 10:56:00 - [650] /signed

DlMFlRE	Posted - 2008.05.30 10:57:00 - [651] /signed
Chkalov Rus	Posted - 2008.05.30 10:58:00 - [652] /signed
Buffalos	Posted - 2008.05.30 11:01:00 - [653] /signed
Jalava	Posted - 2008.05.30 11:10:00 - [654] I think this has more to do with CCP policy of having currency rate between eur / usd as 1:1. I know many eu players that just bought 90 day GTC:s from us shops, just because it cost not 39.95eur but $39.95 to get. As state of us economy is what it is, it provided eu players a really, really cheap way to play compared to us players. This could had been resolved also by just raising usd prices by 50% to match euro pricing, but I can imagine the wave of flame that would had caused.
Geplew	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:12:00 - [655] /signed
Koala Bare VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.05.30 13:57:00 - [656] 502 supports for this topic. This is going to be a major test for the validity and effectivity of CSM.
Rutger Centemus Joint Strike Squad	Posted - 2008.05.30 14:03:00 - [657] /signed and supported
RadioControlled	Posted - 2008.05.30 14:05:00 - [658] /signed. let's see what happens if enough people respond...
Mengan Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.30 14:19:00 - [659] signed ------------------------
maya ibuki2 54th Knights Templar THORN Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.30 15:04:00 - [660] /signed. me and my brother rely on time codes to play eve, and we pay cash cos we are casual players, rather than pve maniacs. the reason i use tcs is because i cant afford a regular out-going. if ccp take away my only viable option their losing two players. im sure many people feel the same. having done the math id lose something in the region of 25 days of time for the money im paying. that, ccp, is to be honest disgusting. maya ibuki2-currently dmc pvper, proud member of the 54th knights templar and genral shooty type

RussTourist	Posted - 2008.05.30 15:21:00 - [661] And why it is impossible to increase simply the price on ETC, what for to remove ЕТС 30 and 90 days??? If it really occurs, will have will get rid of all minor accounts Excuse me for my English
Mr Fingol GHOST RANGERS Inc. Monkey Religion	Posted - 2008.05.30 17:54:00 - [662] \0/
Pattonator Shinra Shinra Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:59:00 - [663] Edited by: Pattonator on 30/05/2008 19:00:29 I have 3 accts which are all paid for with 30day GTC's that I buy with isk. 3X30d gtc's usually costs me under 500mil which I can put together relatively quickly with some missions, plexing and perhaps building and selling a few ships. So far in this game I have always spent isk when I've had it. I've never actually had 1bil in isk between my 3 accts at any one time but now I'll need to save a whole lot more and plan to get the isk ready to get 1bil isk to buy GTC's for these three accts. 30 days > 60day GTC's
Sha Dar eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.05.30 19:22:00 - [664] If the prices "need" to be raised on the 30 and 90 days, then do so. Removing the versaility of choice altogether is plain stupid. -
Lady Mucca	Posted - 2008.05.30 21:51:00 - [665] well i bought 6x 30 days GTC's off an EVE affiliated reseller today to find that i cant use them to update my account. When i try to use them i get the message they are invalid codes (0011).....petition still unanswered, guess i wont be playing much longer...4 accounts gone
Lux Draconis	Posted - 2008.05.30 22:11:00 - [666] Das ist Wahnsinn...EvE CCP verdiehnen sich dumm und dusselig..gerade an den deutschen Clienten die mal wieder am meisten Zahlen. Das wnrde Eve so teuer machen...das einen Otto-normal Spieler kein Geld mehr beleiben wnrde fnr evtl ein 2tes Spiel. Haben die ne Aktiengesellschaft gegrnndet und wollen nun fett abzocken? ICH HAB HASS - nberall die selbe *****e... nur die GehSlter steigen nicht...und somit muss man "dann" vielleicht auf Eve verzichten lernen. Wenn..da nicht Millionen von snchtigen wSren...und sich die Herrschaften von CCP sich dessen mit einem fiesen Grinsen bewusst wSren. Ich kann nur hoffen, dass da noch irgendwelche Aktionen gestartet werden, und dann auch mal die deutschen ihre faulen -rsche erheben, um mit zu fighten - gegen diese unverschSmte Wucher*****e !!! KAMPF !!!!
Czanthria Ad Astra Vexillum	Posted - 2008.05.30 23:33:00 - [667] -- Knowledge is Power!
Mad Hammer WARM0NGERS	Posted - 2008.05.31 04:09:00 - [668] /signed
DaBagboy Rizster The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.05.31 05:02:00 - [669] /signed
Morbilise	Posted - 2008.05.31 05:02:00 - [670] /signed

Rizs	Posted - 2008.05.31 05:03:00 - [671] /s/
Paris Jones	Posted - 2008.05.31 05:04:00 - [672] /agreed
HoDiDo	Posted - 2008.05.31 05:04:00 - [673] /signed
Dontwantnone	Posted - 2008.05.31 05:05:00 - [674] /signed
Victor Vitoc	Posted - 2008.05.31 05:06:00 - [675] /signed
Malkasur	Posted - 2008.05.31 07:55:00 - [676] Edited by: Malkasur on 31/05/2008 07:55:55 Paying 4 Accounts here, will be down to one after price raise. More != more CCP, just plain and easy marketing. and /sign tbqfh
eliminator2 Black Water.	Posted - 2008.05.31 10:36:00 - [677] Edited by: eliminator2 on 31/05/2008 10:37:23 im at college no job because im full-time and the 90 day for 20 pound is just right for me the 30 day is a waist of time and the rest i hate cause there to much and gettin ride or makin prices hire will result in me leavin tbh so bring em back and keep em at same prices why hire the prices wen every1 likes them the way they are
One templier	Posted - 2008.05.31 11:13:00 - [678] signed
Jarguar	Posted - 2008.05.31 15:11:00 - [679] /Signed
Zanphear United EVE Federation	Posted - 2008.05.31 16:00:00 - [680] I support this 100% remove the 50 and 100 day cards, I dont mind, put in 60 and 120day even sure we will have 1 month - 2 month - 3 month and 4 month subscription plan you might even skip the 120day and go for a 6 month or 180day cards ! Dont rais the price on the cards.. and dont remove the current ones please ! Industry standards ? its also industry standards to make your game more casual, to allow better flow of people in, its also industry standard to make your game easy and crap to get more people in, is this the way you want your precious eve to go ? I thought CCP was all about the game, and not so much about beeing a corporation longing for more and more profits, if this is the way you will go in you can expect me to stop paying for my accounts. its atleast -2 accounts payed for from me if CCP does nothing about this entire thread !

CATYPH Space Plague SOLAR WING	Posted - 2008.05.31 18:41:00 - [681] Edited by: CATYPH on 31/05/2008 18:41:11 /signed
Stefan F Enrave Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.05.31 18:45:00 - [682]
Watson RSA Northern Dynamics	Posted - 2008.05.31 19:02:00 - [683] CCP it is fine as it is, don't get greedy in the search of 'potentially' raising your turnover... if you actually know how to do business youll be aware the reason for the success of your ETC's has been the choice and pricing, sacrificing that will surely sacrifice what is so attractive about them... id say listen to the community on this one because every post supporting the retaining of the current ETC's is soo right and you would probably sacrifice alot of the current custom ETC's currently attract on a massive scale. Customers paying cash want choice in product it's only fair, i would want it as a consumer - choice over anything else it allows freedom. Lecture yeah, but someones making a mistake. watson x
Sir Ibex	Posted - 2008.05.31 22:53:00 - [684] Thank you, Avalira for making this post. This is a very serious issue, and I was quite upset when I first heard about it. I pay for EVE with 30day GTCs. I grind them out every time by doing missions, trades, etc. It's very hard, and I barely make 150-160mil by the end of the month. Sometimes I cant make enough ISK, and then I pay with a credit card, but I cant afford/justify paying with it all the time. If there is a change with the GTC system, I will have to stop playing. I know that I'm not the only one that plays EVE in this fashion, and CCP will lose players if they go through with this. This is by no means one of those "Do what I say or I quit" posts. You can do whatever you want CCP. I'm merely speaking my mind. I'm not sure I care for the official response since the reason for this move is very simple. Greed. Money... EVE was a unique game. There are many reasons for this. One of these reasons was that despite this being an "online game" with a $15 monthly fee, players had a choice to avoid this altogether and still play the game. I suppose CCP realized that right now, they are the only ones in the world of "pay-to-play" MMORPGs that give players alternatives to paying monthly fees. That is a lot of money lost! I guess it's time to "attune their product offerings with industry standards". For some reason the word "WoW" comes to mind... Still, I wonder why they don't see that people like me are also beneficial to their business... I brought friends into this game. I kept people interested and playing. I helped the game's economy by being an active merchant. I promoted the game on different forums by recommending it to various people. Please CCP, abandon this evil plan. Bring back the 30day GTCs. Don't ruin this great game...
DaMadness	Posted - 2008.05.31 23:09:00 - [685] /Signed...
Delphi Disra Dawn of Fire Black-Out	Posted - 2008.06.01 07:39:00 - [686] Seeing as this thread has soo much support why isnt anything bieng done about it?
Mansku Rosvosektori	Posted - 2008.06.01 09:54:00 - [687] signed
Luzineras Baenre	Posted - 2008.06.01 10:08:00 - [688] /signed
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.06.01 10:58:00 - [689] This is not a game design decision. The Council has no bearing on marketing strategies. -------- Ideas for: Mining Clouds
Leviathan9 Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.06.01 10:58:00 - [690] /signed. I payed with 30day, its cheaper over time for me. Plus i don't have to spend as much cash at one time. ----------------------------

AltBier Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.06.01 11:04:00 - [691] Originally by: Abrazzar This is not a game design decision. The Council has no bearing on marketing strategies. I thought the CSM was a player/ccp contact group.
Pheonix Kanan Altruism. Malice.	Posted - 2008.06.01 14:13:00 - [692] Keep GTCs the way they are -----
Dane el'Galen Dharma Industries NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.06.01 14:28:00 - [693] /signed
Lachrymal Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.01 15:06:00 - [694]
Crystal Tease False Prophets	Posted - 2008.06.01 15:59:00 - [695] /signed. 3 accounts
Damn'RUSSIAN	Posted - 2008.06.02 04:22:00 - [696] Edited by: Damn''RUSSIAN on 02/06/2008 04:22:20 /signed from all my 5 acc's И в жопу того экономиста ССР кто это придумал. Это сука наверно на стажировку к нашему правительству ездила.
Lahtia	Posted - 2008.06.02 06:17:00 - [697] Supported.
Commander Blackie 7th Space Cavalry R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.06.02 09:34:00 - [698] This is lame, EVE change it back goddamit. /Signed, Blackie! ''The steps you take, should be with pride''
Commander Brutorious Brutorious Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.02 09:35:00 - [699] Nice job eve! Now you will support the Isk buying even more. SUPPORTED.
Ownays Sumo Industries	Posted - 2008.06.02 09:37:00 - [700] Edited by: Ownays on 02/06/2008 09:37:05 This is hilliarious, we need 10.000 supports before the council will look at it. You got my support! ''To kill, or not to kill''

Cpt Midnite	Posted - 2008.06.02 09:46:00 - [701] /signed Spread the word! we can do this
Inmuxis	Posted - 2008.06.02 09:53:00 - [702] /signed. 2 accounts
Vanessa Vale	Posted - 2008.06.02 10:32:00 - [703] Originally by: Delphi Disra Seeing as this thread has soo much support why isnt anything bieng done about it? Because they are hoping that all the people that are joining or coming back to see the new expansion sign on with the 60 days card. That's assuming they'd want to do reconsider this change, but given that there's only 24 pages I seriously doubt so. Minmatar Boost Brigade
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.06.02 11:44:00 - [704] _________________________________________________________
hammack unt	Posted - 2008.06.02 12:05:00 - [705] signed
Shigsy D00M.	Posted - 2008.06.02 12:16:00 - [706] Im signing this
Vic'Toria	Posted - 2008.06.02 12:48:00 - [707] /signed in support of OP CCP - this is a bad move on all counts. I dont see any GTC resellers complaining about the existing arrangements
hopper2j2 Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.02 13:33:00 - [708] /signed
namelessclone01 blackbox ops	Posted - 2008.06.02 15:00:00 - [709] /signed reducing subscibers' options should never be an option (excuse the pun)
D Gelalder Core Antum	Posted - 2008.06.02 15:36:00 - [710] /signed

VO Mathilda	Posted - 2008.06.03 02:30:00 - [711] Signed 2 accounts
Aleric Vikyz AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.03 02:42:00 - [712] Signed
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.03 02:42:00 - [713] Originally by: Aleric Vikyz Signed
Delphi Disra Dawn of Fire	Posted - 2008.06.03 05:54:00 - [714] Edited by: Delphi Disra on 03/06/2008 05:54:39 I guess that just shows that this whole CSM thing is useless.... this thread has more support and pages than any other thread in the CSM... If they dont seriously look at this than what will they look at?
zoolkhan Mirkur Draug'Tyr	Posted - 2008.06.03 07:24:00 - [715] Edited by: zoolkhan on 03/06/2008 07:27:16
Incident The Wild Hunt Pure.	Posted - 2008.06.03 11:34:00 - [716] /signed 2 Accounts, 60 day will be too much to buy at once. Keep the options we have.
Sphynx Stormlord Snuff inc	Posted - 2008.06.03 12:42:00 - [717] /signed
winthrowe Node Alpha Defense Research	Posted - 2008.06.03 17:54:00 - [718]
MirrorGod Heretic Army Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.06.03 22:36:00 - [719] So signed Recruitment: [ANTI]
Cmndr Griff Opinicus Operations Twilight Trade Cartel	Posted - 2008.06.04 03:15:00 - [720] Signed. Usually I read all threads before commenting but this many pages is pushing it. I do totally agree though, I liked how it was and I don't think CCP are deserving of such an increase in revenue. "Your ego's writing cheques your body can't cash."

ivana heaps	Posted - 2008.06.04 11:21:00 - [721]
Shuluman	Posted - 2008.06.04 15:04:00 - [722] /signed Whenever a company makes a change they should ask themselves one thing. Whats in it for the customer? Keeping customers happy and coming back for more is paramount for subscription based services. I fail to see anything in this change that benefits us as customers. I know the $ has dropped recently and its hurting profits but creating GTCs means that people can purchase from wherever they want and this would have been known about. they only have themselves to blame for this situation.
Darnell Franks Otaared Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.04 15:39:00 - [723] This is the most angry making thing ccp could do to me :( Even nerfing my vexor wouldnt be this bad. :(:(:(:( It is, completely unreasonable and unless eve is in financial trouble - i whole hearted'ly dissapprove. 25 pages down and this no news pfft. DF -------------------------------------------------- 2007.03.08 20:18:04 Notify Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate. ^ Little bug for you here CCP ;)
IlliliLillIILilliliii	Posted - 2008.06.04 20:35:00 - [724] im very much troubled by this.
Joker Deville GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.04 23:44:00 - [725] Edited by: Joker Deville on 04/06/2008 23:44:29 keep them 90 day gtcs
mazzilliu Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.05 07:59:00 - [726] i can understand their need to raise price due to our **** dollar, but i don't like paying more isk for the same thing
Aikon's Babe HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.06.05 10:07:00 - [727] /signed
saxsus Opinicus Operations	Posted - 2008.06.05 12:26:00 - [728]
Jan Riksma Appetite 4 Destruction Clown Punchers Syndicate	Posted - 2008.06.05 12:36:00 - [729] Edited by: Jan Riksma on 05/06/2008 12:36:13 signed
Somatic Neuron	Posted - 2008.06.05 13:06:00 - [730] Agree, we should be adding GTC options, not removing them. Give us more options...30/60/90/120/180/360 ----------

Danyael Tyren Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.05 15:27:00 - [731] I would just like to know which "industry" exactly they're trying to keep in line with, the gas industry ------ "I wish to have romantic relations with Suas." - Onchas Erivvia, Band of Brothers Fleet Commander, Sunday January 27, 2008 during a fleet fight with BoB in system QY6-RK, approximately 21:54
Giskard Ripley	Posted - 2008.06.06 00:22:00 - [732] /sign
Damien Cerverus Dawn of a new Empire Pure.	Posted - 2008.06.06 03:05:00 - [733] signed AGAIN CCP please dont do this to us :(
chichi boom	Posted - 2008.06.06 03:08:00 - [734] I agree.
Xa'anli	Posted - 2008.06.06 05:09:00 - [735] /signed
MrZYD	Posted - 2008.06.06 09:16:00 - [736] Edited by: MrZYD on 06/06/2008 09:16:30 /signed
Guda Logg Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner	Posted - 2008.06.06 11:40:00 - [737] /signed
Max Ampere	Posted - 2008.06.06 11:42:00 - [738] /signed I understand CCP... but don't try to lie to a community that pays your monthly bills !!!
Lord Gaylente	Posted - 2008.06.06 11:43:00 - [739] Edited by: Lord *lente on 06/06/2008 11:43:53 /signed This is more *** than I could ever be! badword-filters are G A Y !
Merawen	Posted - 2008.06.06 12:17:00 - [740] /sign Mera

DaSoul Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner	Posted - 2008.06.06 12:42:00 - [741] /signed I'd have stopped playing Eve rather than just taking a break without the 30D GTC option
grooby123	Posted - 2008.06.06 13:03:00 - [742] /signed
Aaren Atreias	Posted - 2008.06.06 13:05:00 - [743] /signed
Sulwen	Posted - 2008.06.06 14:08:00 - [744] /signed
Marianne Fugger	Posted - 2008.06.06 14:09:00 - [745] /signed
Aridia Spy	Posted - 2008.06.06 14:14:00 - [746] /signed
Lithwen	Posted - 2008.06.06 14:21:00 - [747] /signed
Shawn Crahan	Posted - 2008.06.06 17:07:00 - [748] /signed
Wrathamon Starfury AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.06.06 19:46:00 - [749] /signed
XLR Eight Viziam	Posted - 2008.06.06 23:30:00 - [750]

Carrus Thrace	Posted - 2008.06.07 04:39:00 - [751] /signed
Martaz	Posted - 2008.06.07 05:52:00 - [752] This account needs 30 day GTC to run and if it gets removed then same will the account. /Signed
Beaverid Tesu	Posted - 2008.06.07 12:35:00 - [753] This is great! CCP is taking advantage of the GTC sellers! Buko kudos for CCP on this matter.
Phantom Slave Mozzaki United	Posted - 2008.06.07 18:48:00 - [754] I don't currently use GTC's, but I do plan on getting some mining ops going with a buddy of mine and using GTC's to pay for the accounts. The flexibility of 30/90 or even 30/60/90 GTC's makes it much easier when we need breaks from the game. ____________________ Trinity is beautiful! I love you CCP!!!
Aenikus Freelancing Corp	Posted - 2008.06.07 21:01:00 - [755] Edited by: Aenikus on 07/06/2008 21:07:30 /signed I am a casual player with 2 accounts and I use 90 day GTC for two major reasons: 1) It is cheaper 2) CCP account subscription stopped linking my credit card before Xmas 2007. I have used GTC ever since, much easier than battling with CCP credit card process and very unhelpful CCP support on the issue. Credit card was fine, then it was not, CCPs awful billing system forced me to go to GTCs, glad I did. Without 90 day option at current prices ($38) I will let one account lapse. The harmonise with industry standards is just corporate BS. And CCP you add choice not reduce it, that is looking after customers, not shafting them by reducing options and upping prices. This stinks.
Riu Stuka GeoCorp. Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.06.07 23:02:00 - [756] If you rly need to raise the prices then it shall be, not saying i am happy about it or support it but ok some things have to be done. But pls do not remove the choice to buy 30 or 90 days. -----------------------------------------------
Krathos Morpheus Gates of nim	Posted - 2008.06.07 23:47:00 - [757] signed EVE Knowledge
Chris Vattic Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.06.08 07:30:00 - [758] Edited by: Chris Vattic on 08/06/2008 07:30:49 I can understand the price change and that's OK, but please give us the old 30 and 90 day GTCs back. Life goes on even without those, yes, but some variation would be really nice, especially if you are running many accounts. --
Phantom Bob Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.08 14:07:00 - [759] /signed TrueЪ matar!
Aeoniouz Roadkill 7th Space Cavalry R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.06.08 15:25:00 - [760] /Signed

Reachok Tres Hombres	Posted - 2008.06.08 16:29:00 - [761] /signed
Heria Herath Green Men Incorporated	Posted - 2008.06.08 18:29:00 - [762] /Signed
Kaianna Sela Duty.	Posted - 2008.06.08 19:04:00 - [763] This'll be a good test to see if the CSM actually has any power or not. Pretty overwhelming support here on an issue that requires no coding or anything else. If CCP ignore this one, might as well write off the council now....
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2008.06.08 23:23:00 - [764] Originally by: Kaianna Sela This'll be a good test to see if the CSM actually has any power or not. Pretty overwhelming support here on an issue that requires no coding or anything else. If CCP ignore this one, might as well write off the council now.... You don't understand the role of CSM :) It not intended to be a power. Even if yes, it is power against players, not developers. It is a pillow, that are used to mute voices... if you hold it long enough, you may even kill your opponent... -- Thanks CCP for cu
GIGAR Astrum Contract Services Group	Posted - 2008.06.08 23:43:00 - [765] Originally by: Kaianna Sela This'll be a good test to see if the CSM actually has any power or not. Pretty overwhelming support here on an issue that requires no coding or anything else. If CCP ignore this one, might as well write off the council now.... I agree. This is a case where the CSM would not only be useful, but critical. If they can't do anything about it, or at least get a clear statement, well.. Just as well fire them, because obviously then they're totally useless to the community. (I'm not saying that they are, I'm saying that they are if CCP denies the subject)
AlienMan md	Posted - 2008.06.09 12:16:00 - [766] Signed Give 30 and 90 days back!!!
Fifth Horseman	Posted - 2008.06.09 13:20:00 - [767] "Well Blizzard are doing it....." Tossbags. Give them hell.
Basic Miner Caldari Navy II	Posted - 2008.06.09 14:01:00 - [768] Edited by: Basic Miner on 09/06/2008 14:01:35 As I'm Norwegian and not a part of the EU I can pay with USD, and thus rising prices is bad :P But well, I clearly see the reason for us non-european-union countries having to pay the same as they do. _______________________________________ [Insert catchy/cool phrase here]
Mazzarins Demise	Posted - 2008.06.09 14:30:00 - [769] /Signed - 30 days were too useful to remove.
Arch Angelo	Posted - 2008.06.09 20:50:00 - [770] I want the 90 day ones back! 15$ per month would be normal 30 day=15$ 60 day=30$ 90 day=45$ etc.

Val Amani	Posted - 2008.06.09 22:16:00 - [771] /supported
Lux Draconis	Posted - 2008.06.09 22:22:00 - [772] /signed !!!! and nOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 35 %
Kaleu Lux	Posted - 2008.06.09 22:35:00 - [773] /signed !!!!!! **** for 35 %
Maelia Gurast	Posted - 2008.06.10 00:32:00 - [774] /me signs. (No, I read the first page, not all 26.)
Messerschmitt facility Shinra Shinra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.10 02:07:00 - [775] This is not a in-game decission, this is CCP marketing strategy. You all act like a bunch of 5 year olds who lost their lolypop. Unless you work as an accountant for CCP or own shares, shut up. If you do own shares, get into contact with CCP head office directly and tell your complaint. Besides that, stop this useless topic debate.
zinatar	Posted - 2008.06.11 17:50:00 - [776] /signed
Nynaeve Ares Animus Incarnate	Posted - 2008.06.11 18:24:00 - [777]
Carin K Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.11 19:11:00 - [778] My support.
Draygo Korvan Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.12 06:19:00 - [779] --
marie blueprint	Posted - 2008.06.12 11:35:00 - [780] i need my 30 gtc

Yazon D	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:04:00 - [781] <- wants 30 & 90 days stay, this is optimal for reallife\game time balance
WARTECH TYCOON	Posted - 2008.06.12 13:41:00 - [782]
Travis050 Black Water.	Posted - 2008.06.12 14:09:00 - [783] Supported!
MadMax RuS The First Foundation Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.06.12 20:27:00 - [784] Dont remove 30\90d GTCs! its wrong!
MadMax RuS The First Foundation Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.06.12 20:28:00 - [785] my support
rusKGB	Posted - 2008.06.12 20:29:00 - [786] Dont remove 30\90d GTCs
Asuri Kinnes Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.06.13 15:57:00 - [787] Changing the structure of the GTC's seemed weird to me - don't know why their computers can't handle 30, 50, 60, 90, 120 and 180 day cards if thats what the players want... o.O AK Honor is that which you do when no one else is looking. Ethics, Honor and Respect. Without the first two, you can't buy the last one...
Gotrek65 Brimstone Order	Posted - 2008.06.13 22:28:00 - [788] Wasn't this topic supose to be voted on yesterday? What ever happend to that?
itsan egro Nobody likes me	Posted - 2008.06.14 02:31:00 - [789] signed
Ravow Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.14 03:08:00 - [790] ./signed

Raoden Choco	Posted - 2008.06.14 07:01:00 - [791]
Double Magpie GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 08:19:00 - [792]
Gotrek65 Brimstone Order	Posted - 2008.06.14 09:35:00 - [793] Originally by: Gotrek65 Wasn't this topic supose to be voted on yesterday? What ever happend to that? no one ever reads the last post lol
Hegotu Alecto Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.06.14 10:28:00 - [794] keep the 90d and 30d deffo
Wurgfer	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:43:00 - [795]
Hosokawa Kamasutra RennTech SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.15 20:33:00 - [796] Look mom, no hands!!!
Jaarlax Ratty Corp PLC Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2008.06.15 22:16:00 - [797] i use 90's and would like to keep doing so
Chzandri	Posted - 2008.06.15 23:15:00 - [798] fat chance this is going to happen, heh you can post here all you like but CCP has made up its mind
Alvar Kesh	Posted - 2008.06.16 09:45:00 - [799] Bring the 30/90 day gtc back!!!
Cuchulin DEFCON. Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:06:00 - [800]

Dev67 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.16 14:00:00 - [801] I agree 100%, keep 30 and 90 GTC and simply add the 60 day GTC as a in-between option. It's simple, easy and offer more options for everyone. ------------------------------------ 3 times a week.
Daelin Blackleaf Naqam	Posted - 2008.06.16 19:26:00 - [802] Did the CSM ever say anything on this matter before it went through? Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Dariah Stardweller	Posted - 2008.06.16 19:31:00 - [803] Supported
Moostang DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.17 08:17:00 - [804] Please bring back 90 day gtc's, I live on these things!!! Moostang Darkstar 1 Goonswarm Priceless Necro Thread
Rekiva	Posted - 2008.06.17 09:55:00 - [805] you have my support
Little Boss	Posted - 2008.06.17 10:50:00 - [806] this is very suck!!! now buy 60 days GTC cost the same than a 90 days GTC this is a robbery!!! and a error, they will lose some users
Matt Leigh	Posted - 2008.06.17 11:57:00 - [807] Save the 30/90 day GTC
Himphotep 87 Hatebreed.	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:02:00 - [808] 30D & 90D GTCs FTW
Probandoou	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:04:00 - [809] agree
KekoRage Princeps Corp T e r c i o s	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:21:00 - [810] Save 30/90 Days GTC!!!!

Piracier	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:33:00 - [811] Save the 30/90 days
Bambouler	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:34:00 - [812] signed
Hilster	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:34:00 - [813] Edited by: Hilster on 17/06/2008 12:36:17 Please keep 30 and 90 days GTC's
ascyltos	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:35:00 - [814] /signed
SentryneL	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:38:00 - [815] /signed
MagnumDr	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:49:00 - [816] Save the 30/90 day ETC \0/!
praznimrak	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:50:00 - [817] Save 30/90 gtc
RipperXXX New Dawn Team Legacy	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:54:00 - [818] Save the 30/90 GTC!!! ______________________________________________ I'm the worst nightmare for pirates...I never have nothing to loot!!!
Rainkill	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:55:00 - [819] signed
boris izaguirre	Posted - 2008.06.17 12:57:00 - [820] /signed

KLEPTOMMX	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:05:00 - [821] Save 30/90 Days GTC! 2 acc
Adam 111 TYET Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:06:00 - [822] 30/60/90 day-ETC plz...
Vrivona Princeps Corp T e r c i o s	Posted - 2008.06.17 13:09:00 - [823] I wish CCP would completly remove the timecode system in the future, but I am sure they wont, because it goves more money than standard payment. I am really tired of seeing chinofarmers around, and ppl who has to "farm" to play this game. In my opinion, if you cannt afford it, just dont play it. IMO, making GTC more expensive just will force ppl to farm more, and Chinofarmers will earn more money with it, so we will find more of them around.
Asphyxiant Industry Of War	Posted - 2008.06.17 20:22:00 - [824] save 90day GTC. /sign
Radix Salvilines Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.06.17 22:03:00 - [825] suepported! ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ♥-☻BPINC☺-♥ ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
mafutero Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.17 23:09:00 - [826] Edited by: mafutero on 17/06/2008 23:09:02 /super signed o[0_o]o ______________ 420 baby!
Frank West	Posted - 2008.06.18 04:06:00 - [827] This is not smart on CCP part? They are going to be losing alot of members to this game because some people can not afford to run there game to reallife issues. /signed (Save the 30 day!)
Kim Wilde Covenant	Posted - 2008.06.18 10:27:00 - [828] supported, now lets get a reply out of ccp
cyno gen	Posted - 2008.06.18 10:29:00 - [829] supported
Damaclease Covenant	Posted - 2008.06.18 10:30:00 - [830] come on ccp start doing inovative things instead of following in the flock of sheeps that the rest seem to do

LoRDFoXX Khaos Wielders	Posted - 2008.06.18 11:51:00 - [831] Fairly new around these parts but fully support the requirement for CCP to explain themselves...
Eyecat	Posted - 2008.06.18 15:04:00 - [832] What a unpleasant move from ccp. I'll sure have to think about a lot of things, mainly this account here.
Shey Navarr Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.18 16:32:00 - [833] Edited by: Shey Navarr on 18/06/2008 16:35:03
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2008.06.18 18:40:00 - [834] Thread in General - 28 pages. This thread - same 28 pages. No sign of CCP presence. You still not understand? :) -- Thanks CCP for cu
Zhirae	Posted - 2008.06.18 19:55:00 - [835] Edited by: Zhirae on 18/06/2008 19:54:50 Price raise is bad, considering canceling 2 accounts.
Demption	Posted - 2008.06.19 08:35:00 - [836] Raise is bad, removal of options is bad, and the way the price raise was introduced was terrible.
Hastur DragonTooth coracao ardente	Posted - 2008.06.19 09:02:00 - [837] I don't care about a price increase, as much as I do the utility of having 30 and 90 day GTC's as an option. Let's see how CCP responds. We already know the CSM is worthless. This heavily supported topic will be a good indicator whether the CSM raising issues to CCP is just as worthless. ..
Bobafeit The SMITE Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.06.19 09:47:00 - [838] Edited by: Bobafeit on 19/06/2008 09:47:47 Originally by: Hastur DragonTooth I don't care about a price increase, as much as I do the utility of having 30 and 90 day GTC's as an option. Let's see how CCP responds. We already know the CSM is worthless. This heavily supported topic will be a good indicator whether the CSM raising issues to CCP is just as worthless. what he said, give us back our choice's ---CEO-The SMITE Brotherhood---
Inquisitor Berthez the oNe Academy	Posted - 2008.06.19 09:53:00 - [839] And fix the US/Europe price differences!
Colonel Rykef Animus Exuro	Posted - 2008.06.19 09:57:00 - [840] clearly CCP are pushing ahead with their idea im thinking about not resubing in protest

Joe Widowmaker Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.19 10:48:00 - [841] Agreed
Drake Kashyma Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.06.19 12:13:00 - [842] $38.85 : 90 days : $0.43/day $34.99 : 60 days : $0.58/day Around 34% more expensive, very bad way to earn more money from players CCP
WizeMaster	Posted - 2008.06.19 23:07:00 - [843] /signed
Phil Miller GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.20 01:08:00 - [844] /signed ______________________________________
Factor Mystic	Posted - 2008.06.20 01:09:00 - [845] /signed
Ling Xiaoyu GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.20 01:09:00 - [846] /signed
Aero Zolic DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.20 09:19:00 - [847] "Yes" vote. Not a good decision by CCP.
Nyx Cyth	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:27:00 - [848] so this not being discussed by CCP then?
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.20 12:54:00 - [849] Its getting discussed on Sunday - the agenda for the formal meetings is a little bit different from the order we submitted issues in. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Drek Grapper	Posted - 2008.06.20 15:39:00 - [850] Edited by: Drek Grapper on 20/06/2008 15:39:16 $%^&ing bullsh!t this...a 60 day GTC now cost more than double a 30day GTC. Absolute ripp off you sly sharks.. /signed --------- If the Thorax was a car it would look like this

Hominaary	Posted - 2008.06.20 21:22:00 - [851] I'm one of those that will be leaving the game when my 2 accounts run out if this is not fixed immediately. /supported
eliminator2 The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.06.21 06:22:00 - [852] Originally by: Hominaary I'm one of those that will be leaving the game when my 2 accounts run out if this is not fixed immediately. /supported me to im doin same i mean come on they raise prices delete some GTC's and wat do we get some wat i can only assume now are slackers that want some kerching (well even more kerching) and wat do we get for this better petition answers not copy past crap better time taken and thought into patches not litening to whinners and moaners that have no idea about pvp atm we have petitions were they just enter a random petition and copy paste from last answered petition and patches its like u have some one sat there thinking hmmm wat do i do with this one then I NO ill through this in o and this ooo and this now lets send it out so every1 dl's it ooo no the server is down for a week o well lets sit on our ass's and drink tea and think about other stuff frickin ridicules just FYI guys me and my mate worked out that ccp would end up earning around 4-5 million pounds a month from us payers they earn at least 1-2 million now WAT A RIP OFF CCP
Drevas Infinite ISK	Posted - 2008.06.21 06:55:00 - [853] CCP has increased the monthly price to play the game significantly and this is unacceptable.
Ranita Drell	Posted - 2008.06.21 09:14:00 - [854] Edited by: Ranita Drell on 21/06/2008 09:15:04 The OP puts it well. This amounts to a rate hike, and as a customer, I can't say I ever appreciate those. As someone trying to bootstrap myself up to the point where I can comfortably afford to pay for one or two accounts with ISK, I can only see this change discouraging my progress towards that end. I lose the cost effective option of paying 90 days in advance, and I lose the cheap option of keeping an account going in the event that I'm strapped for cash (or trying to save for something else). And I can offer this as far as a testimonial: I might not be playing EVE right now if the decision to remove 30 day time cards had been made somewhat sooner. I had a lapsed account, and wanted to give EVE another try, but didn't feel like paying real cash to play a game I might tire of in a couple weeks (plus the idea of paying with in-game currency appeals to me, since I tend to be a sort of on again/off again MMO gamer). So I decided I'd just go ahead and try to buy a GTC with any ISK that might be available on my dead account. It turns out I had just enough for a 30 day card, hence my return. Before I heard about the discontinuing of the 30-day time card, I thought I might introduce the game to a few of my RL friends (as I have none that are playing EVE presently, which is one of the things that puts a damper on my enthusiasm about EVE) and giving or loaning them the money to buy a 30-day GTC as a sort of "extended trial." I don't see myself doing something like that with a 60-day card, at least until I'm capable of making ISK a lot faster than I currently do. So what CCP should understand is that having a variety of payment options available makes the game more accessible to more people -- which means more subscriptions. I'm sure CCP has already taken this into consideration to at least some extent, but perhaps it has been as carefully weighed as it should be.
Arron Daris	Posted - 2008.06.21 12:10:00 - [855] agree, removal of the other payment options is a backwards step only justified by ccp trying to maximising its profits
Bastaardicious Enrave Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.06.21 15:31:00 - [856] Signed.
daMoeXi	Posted - 2008.06.21 15:48:00 - [857] /signed
Rudolf Miller	Posted - 2008.06.22 04:32:00 - [858] 30 days time cards are almost universally gone. 90 days are soon to follow. please support the motion to stop the 60 day domination! /signed
Smacko Thug State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:28:00 - [859] CCP see other companys selling ISK for cash and making decent money from it... This is their way of making cash from doing the exact same thing. Its a long time since CCP have cared about the customer, theyve seen the almighty dollar, now they are just trying to figure out ways of taking a bigger chunk of it. Id have more respect and in turn more active accounts (if for once, theyd stand up and have the balls to be honest about things instead of putting a t20 spin on everything.
Francis Dent	Posted - 2008.06.22 09:37:00 - [860] /signed

Dav Barsco Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.22 11:36:00 - [861] /signed Adding 60d GTC is fine.. but removing the choice of 30d and 90d GTCs is not on.
Llurandia	Posted - 2008.06.22 14:46:00 - [862] As a new entrant to EVE, who brought all of his soc/guild mates from other games here, I can say that the "no 30 day cards" idea is totally ridiculous. When I have 14 days to decide if I want to stay, just enough time to get some friends to come over and make toons, then CCP says we have to commit to two month's at a time or we just can't play anymore...? I won't tie myself up like that when gameplay during the trial is so limited (many stats can't be learned, etc)...so, to find out if I really like the game, now I'm stuck with multiple months? Nope. This really caused fits for my friends too, so thanks CCP for screwing things up for us offline as well as on. I'm hopeful the 30-day ETC will be back before the end of this 30 days, or I'll just have to say goodbye. Seems a raw deal to have the company do this. "60 days is inductry standard" is simply a lie - try any other game and you'll find 1-month cards are "the standard". Nobody wants to lose flexibility in where and how they play.
Inanna Zuni	Posted - 2008.06.22 14:53:00 - [863] +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This subject was discussed during the CSM-CCP meeting today. Although both sides recognised that this is a commercial decision for CCP and not directly within the remit of the CSM the issues involved have been taken on board by CCP and any announcement by them will be made in due course. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ IZ My principles
Pyrii Tanyoko His Infernal Majesty Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2008.06.22 19:55:00 - [864] As a fairly new user, I found the 30 day option helpful to see if I would really stay the course within EVE Online. Once those 30 days were up, the 90day GTC offered value for money so I went ahead and paid for 90 days worth which I am currently using. For me in the UK, paying under ú8 a month for EVE was rather good. Let's see how this translates, especially with the increase inthe US dollar recently: 30 day = $14.95 = ú7.57 90 day = $38.85 = ú6.55 (per 30 days x 3) So at this point you have a short term package for the undecided or those who don't need 90 days, and a long term package which offers better value for money as reward for long service. 60 day = $34.99 = ú8.85 (per 30 days x 2) This new card doesn't compete with either card, blows the limit on what I want to pay per month and is just plain profiteering. The excuse that CCP wants to reduce confusion does not roll as this sudden change only increases confusion and covers up blatant profiteer for those who can't look at the sums like me. As such I no longer see EVE Online as an option and will not be renewing till I can pay the same as I already have per month. As for staying competitive... WoW-US 60 day timecode = $29.99 = ú7.58 (per 30 days x 2) CCP just priced itself out of my online gameplay needs. (USDGBP Forex used for conversion from: http://finance.google.co.uk/finance?q=USDGBP)
Patchs Red's Swashbucklers Corp Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.06.23 12:21:00 - [865] /signed thx
Kildarin	Posted - 2008.06.23 19:03:00 - [866] keep it the way it was. link to my thread that i probably shoulda posted here (thanks for the guy that pointed me to this main one) - yeah most of what i said has probably been said here, but its another opinion :) http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=805106&page=1
Kurald SyNtHeTiC D.N.A Cold Steel Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.23 19:46:00 - [867] For European players, 90 Days GTCs is the only possibility to get reasonable prices. With the euro being 1.5$ approx, we pay 50% VAT (according to CCP that's the reason for the price difference) as we pay the same price as the rest of the world - but in Euros instead of dollars. To make the situation more interesting - if you live in switzerland for example, you can pay in dollars. Either return to the old price system for GTCs or fix the price in Euros.
Feng Schui Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.06.23 19:51:00 - [868] Edited by: Feng Schui on 23/06/2008 19:54:22 Originally by: CCP The 50 day and 100 day Gametime cards (GTC) has been removed from the EVE Store. These cards will be replaced by the new 60 day GTC's which will be added to the store this Wednesday, 18 June. Until then it will not be possible to order GTCs from the EVE Store. Ok.. I read this statement, and said to myself, ok; that makes sense. 30, 60, and 90 day game cards. I go to the store, and there is only the 60 day came cards. WTF? An increase in price.. ok. But it makes no friggin sense for new players, or long term players, to buy 60 day game cards, for reasons already stated. I cannot forsee myself buying a 60 day game card, and I don't have other means to pay for my subscription.. CCP has until the 23rd of July to make a decision for me. Project:Gank Pilgrim Guide
Colonel Rykef Animus Exuro	Posted - 2008.06.23 20:46:00 - [869] Since this was supposed to be discussed on sunday where is the response from CCP? as it stands when my sub runs out im not renewing it
Miss KillSome School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.06.23 21:30:00 - [870] yes please. I really liked 30days GTC..

RijS3	Posted - 2008.06.24 08:00:00 - [871] /sign /me starts thinking on canceling subscription
Murrukan	Posted - 2008.06.24 08:44:00 - [872] /sign
Ryan Scouse'UK omen.	Posted - 2008.06.24 08:46:00 - [873] Not that it matters much but my accounts run out on Nov 08 , 3 accounts - why should I pay ú35 x 3 for two months of eve are you mad ? . Cya later you joke, It was good while it lasted. no EVE related content in signature. ~Weatherman
Meet Popsicle	Posted - 2008.06.24 14:12:00 - [874] /signed
Setana Manoro Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.24 14:16:00 - [875] Originally by: Avalira Edited by: Avalira on 22/06/2008 21:48:23 There are a few things that bother me with this rather sly announcement. First thing is that this constitutes a price raise 35% while the announcement seems to try to avoid the very topic by saying it's "To simplify the ETC reseller program and attune our product offerings with industry standards". CCP if you want to raise the prices say so clearly, I hate having to take out my calculator just to see I'm being taken for a ride. Secondly some of us find it useful to buy only a 30-day card or a 90-day card. What was the real reason in removing them? And since when does CCP obey to industry standards? Isn't innovating the way forward? Then why not actually give us more options instead of reducing them, like perhaps 120-day cards? So in short the issue I want to bring to the CSM is: - Have CCP tell us why they are increasing prices, and if this will affect credit card users. Edit: A sticky in the general forums says no. Only GTC prices are affected by this price change. - Why remove the 30 & 90 day time codes and at the same time introducing a more expensive option. - Bring them back, even if they have to be at the same price per month as the new prices. And my concerns are that it will negatively impact the player base. It might not seem like a big raise to some but having to pay more might cause players to leave or not subscribe at all. So what are CCP doing to make sure that doesn't happen. I'm apologise if this sounds like a little rant, I just feel CCP could at least have made a more informative news article for something this important. Edit: Originally by: Inanna Zuni +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This subject was discussed during the CSM-CCP meeting today. Although both sides recognised that this is a commercial decision for CCP and not directly within the remit of the CSM the issues involved have been taken on board by CCP and any announcement by them will be made in due course. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ IZ link to post CSM has no business dictating or advising CCP on it's billing practices. CSM just makes recomendations about some game mechanics change ideas if and only if, they get voted for by 5% of the playerbase - where the playerbase is the nr of accounts. I haven't read the thread and i have no intention of doing so, but if any CSM actually took this thread seriously, it just goes to show you, that not even them, knew what they were voted for.
Loreth V.L.A.S.T. Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.06.24 14:34:00 - [876] I dont see a problem of adding 60 day cards. However i dont see a real reason to remove the 90 day ones too. This topic needs more support !
Setana Manoro Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.24 14:39:00 - [877] Originally by: Loreth I dont see a problem of adding 60 day cards. However i dont see a real reason to remove the 90 day ones too. This topic needs more support ! Where's that bit from Family Guy about undecided voters ... when Lois was campaigning. I never find it when i need it. :(
Kirikarasu Shadow Company Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.06.24 22:07:00 - [878] Edited by: Kirikarasu on 24/06/2008 22:08:45 Edited by: Kirikarasu on 24/06/2008 22:07:53 almost 900 posts and not a single answer from ccp, this might mean the end of my game with them. and it looks like alot of people seem to feel the same way. Congratulations to ccp from messing up an awsome Idea, the buying gtc's with isk was one of the main reasons i was sticking with this game. no way im going to pay more for the same experience. -----------------------------------------------
Smacko Thug State War Academy	Posted - 2008.06.25 04:33:00 - [879] Originally by: Setana Manoro CSM has no business dictating or advising CCP on it's billing practices. CSM just makes recomendations about some game mechanics change ideas if and only if, they get voted for by 5% of the playerbase - where the playerbase is the nr of accounts. I haven't read the thread and i have no intention of doing so, but if any CSM actually took this thread seriously, it just goes to show you, that not even them, knew what they were voted for. Remember why the CSM was implimented?? Corrupts devs (Hi T20) GM's caught cheating etc etc etc... Game mechanics are a part of their Job, and your post, just shows, that you have no clue what they were voted for.
Darul Naki Octet Sunrise	Posted - 2008.06.25 06:38:00 - [880] /signed CCP just want to raise, sorry to "level", the ETC subscription price. ^^

Tomsudy Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.06.25 06:54:00 - [881] tbh one of the worst things ccp has done
Uncle Mo Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2008.06.25 11:11:00 - [882] /signed Taking away choice is bad. --------------------------------------------- Official US ambassador to the UK.
Antodias North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:06:00 - [883] Edited by: Antodias on 25/06/2008 14:06:38 Raising the prices and introducing a seemingly arbitrary timecard while removing options is one of the most ignorant decisions I have seen in a long time. I won't be renewing my subscription if this stays, since I don't especially enjoy grinding isks 5 days a week just so I can get to do it all over again next month. Cheers.
dodge2005 Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:58:00 - [884] I support this, please dont get rid of 30/90 days!
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.25 15:02:00 - [885] Well its not going to be popular with this thread. But since this is a big issue and people are understandably interested to hear the answers to the questions we asked: * The answer is basically they (CCP) don't like the the various grades of GTC's because it over-complicates the admin and it does nothing good for CCP's profits. Ultimately they'd prefer people to be directly subscribing by credit cards (or alternative payment means) and while GTC's are going to be there as a fall back option they feel no obligation to support all the various types we used to have or keep them at the same effective discount they've become true the relative weakness of the US dollar. Pressing them on the issue yielded the very honest answer: Eve is a premium product with a huge development effort, high class graphics and major design on new features and functions. Stuff like Walking in Stations is a whole new graphic engine thats world class in the industry and fundamentally its our choice as to whether we want to pay for quality or not. So the outcome is basically: 60 days cards is what there'll be and we need to understand that CCP would much rather people directly subscribe by credit card / or alternative payment method straight to their accounts - more money gets to ccp development that way, and as gamers we have to decide whether we are happy paying a bit more of a premium product or not. Eve was never designed to be a discount MMO and is never going to be priced that way. We did make the point that it would have been better for CCP to be more honest about this message rather than mix it up in slippery marketing spiel and claims that this was an "industry standard" pricing structure and that kind of thing. They agreed. In the future we should get less market-speak and more plain-talking.** Full answer will be covered in the minutes when we get them published but thats pretty much what it'll record. I know its not what a lot of your wanted to hear but I can see their point, and I've got to say from my own experience of the gaming industry I do respect this kind of "want-the-payment-direct-sentiment" - it works for a quality outfit like Stardock, and does ensure that our subscription and payment goes on a far more direct route to development funding than typically occurs when funds get chased around the table in the marketing and distribution sphere. End of the day, I started paying in GTC's last year too. My reason was simple economy, the relative weakness of the dollar made buying GTC's for dollars a no-brainer for a euro based player simply because it was 33% cheaper. CCP have told us they'd rather we subscribed directly and all payed the same rate. Sure we'd gotten used to a discount but ultimately we've all got to decide whether going back to the paying the basic rate is worth it. For me it is, and I can respect the honesty in describing this game as a premium product that costs premium rates. Seeing the significant investment still going into Eve and getting first hand insight into future and upcoming expansions helps of course - but ultimately, everyone needs to reach their own understanding with personal budgets and just how much you are prepared to pay for your entertainment. For me its pretty easy, I don't buy the cheapest beer in the pub, and I don't expect all beers to cost the same. No reason why all mmorpgs should be a uniform price either and I'm happy to make a payment decision based on what I perceive Eve is worth rather than comparing it to other products and lamenting the loss of weak dollar GTC discounts. Hope everyone finds this answer informative. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
QwaarJet hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:01:00 - [886] This issue brings up the problem with the CSM. There isn't really any real power there. If CCP refuse to address this issue (as they are) then no one can do anything about it. If so many people want the cards changed back, then CCP should do it, regardless. I expect quite a few subscribers will be lost due to this.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.25 16:20:00 - [887] Well the "power" was the power to ask a question and get an answer. We can question ccp, we can make suggestions, we can set priorities for fixes to game issues and generally influence the future development of gameplay focus. Thats all pretty impressive stuff. But sometimes we're going to get answers that the player base didn't want to hear, and sometimes answers we specifically didn't want to hear and its up to us as discerning adults to just understand we don't always get our own way. I didn't get "my way" on the destructible outposts thing. But I got to ask the question and got a very detailed response, respectful discussion and ultimately a potentially excellent compromise solution on the issue. Other Items on the agenda besides the GTC's got a "no" for various reasons, but all of the refusals were respectfully presented and informatively justified by CCP. I think its very important to realize that CSM is not a wish fulfillment mechanism, if we're taking ISSUEs to ccp we have to explain why they are in the interests of the community and just how they will benefit the game just as ccp need to tell us their reasons and position. On GTC's sure its hard that some people (myself included) will now pay more for our subscription, but I do respect being told straight that the change means more money for ccp and more money for development that will keep Eve online as a premium product in the industry. End of the day, they promised we'd get the chance to make proposals, raise issues, ask questions and get substantive and detailed answers from senior staff at ccp. They kept that promise. Now the challenge to the community is to best use the CSM procedure to benefit the game of eve online for all of us. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2008.06.25 17:20:00 - [888] I think a very clear indication of CCP not being swayed by the vocal minority. The plain fact is that the previous GTC structure did not make financial sense for them to keep. And arguing against a company looking after its bottom line because of the insignificant dent it puts on your own pocket is not really effective. [WTS] Tech II Component BPO Sets
Feng Schui Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:16:00 - [889] Well, that seals the deal then. -1 account on July 24th. I'll train a long skill in the hopes that my RL financial situation gets better. Here is the breakdown: 1 Battleship every week, T2 fitted: 120-140 million ISK 1 Pilgrim every 2 weeks, T2 fitted: 200 million ISK This equates to needing to farm 1.3 billion isk per month on average, to just PVP on. Add in a 90 day GTC (400 million isk), I would need to farm 1.353 billion isk per month. For a 90 day GTC, and funds to PVP with (this is a pvp game, right?), I would need to farm isk for approximately 1 month, for 2 more months of "play time". Now that 60 days are almost the same cost as 90 days where, I would need to farm for 1 month, PVP for a month, etc.. to afford game + PVP. No thanks, that is too much like work. So.. Farewell (on July 24th). Very poor decision CCP. Project:Gank Pilgrim Guide
Yonos Game-Over The Requiem	Posted - 2008.06.25 18:27:00 - [890] yes, please bring back the 30day and 90day gtc. Lots of good posts here for the reasons why.

Fennore	Posted - 2008.06.25 21:22:00 - [891] /signed This is a very poor choice in direction for player retention.
Fitz VonHeise The New Order.	Posted - 2008.06.25 22:59:00 - [892] Bring back both 30 and 90 day...
Colonel Rykef Animus Exuro	Posted - 2008.06.25 23:02:00 - [893] Originally by: Jade Constantine Hope everyone finds this answer informative. That is actually ridiculous, and embarrassing. Congratulations CCP you have just Alienated a huge section of your playerbase with your greedy notions (all the tripe about premium, remember guys this is a active player base of at most 35k people at a time CCP are using a tiny amount of server space compared to majority of other major MMO's) It simply boils down to this 1. CCP wants more money, and are prepared to make EvE the most expensive MMO on the market to achieve this, 2. CCP wants to be able to predict its profits well in advance so wants everyone to pay monthly via credit card (in spite of the credit cruch i would just like to add) I want no further part in it and will be terminating my subscription
VheroKai Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2008.06.26 01:16:00 - [894] Sorry Jade, but... Originally by: Jade Constantine The answer is basically they (CCP) don't like the the various grades of GTC's because it over-complicates the admin and it does nothing good for CCP's profits. Understandable, but "various" and "two" poorly connected to eachother. I can understand the removal of 50/100 days GTC, they aren't resembling any real world time periods, but 30/90 days GTC has clear meaning for people. It is a decision to be able play more or less. Personally, I don't mind paying more, but not THAT more. I can afford 30days for $20 and play 15 days. But I absolutely can't afford $40 for the same play time. Direct debit? They are not accepting my card. They do not have any other direct payment options. Only PayByCash, which is not direct, it is payment processing crap, that adding his own taxations over the CCP's prices, ending in like $25/30d subscription. Pay with ISK, you said? Ok, it is understandable answer, but... where I can get cards to buy? If everyone using direct debit or have cancelled accounts, thus ruining ETC sales? Yes, exaggeration, but it is how things looks from my side. Card/ISK trade would become more rare. Quote: Ultimately they'd prefer people to be directly subscribing by credit cards (or alternative payment means) They do not have "alternative payment means". Read above. If CCP would implement alternatives, THEN remove 30/90d ETC, it will be much less of a problem. Quote: Eve is a premium product with a huge development effort, Truth. Quote: high class graphics Lie. Quote: and major design on new features and functions. True for server, lie for client. Quote: Stuff like Walking in Stations is a whole new graphic engine thats world class in the industry and fundamentally its our choice as to whether we want to pay for quality or not. We (ok, I, personally) want to pay for quality, but we haven't got any sign of it to come in last 2 years (for me). Quote: 60 days cards is what there'll be and we need to understand that CCP would much rather people directly subscribe by credit card I'd rather NEVER subscribe to any service that can store my card data ans charge me in advance. It's basically like giving keys of my home to first person that I saw on the street. Quote: or alternative payment method straight to their accounts Show me any available method to pay directly to CCP's account - i'll think about it. Happily there are enough exchange services, that transferring electronic currency from and to mny payment systems. Quote: more money gets to ccp development that way, and as gamers we have to decide whether we are happy paying a bit more of a premium product or not. Show me the premium product and I'll pay for it. To now, I haven't saw anything you're speaking about. It was laggy as hell in the early 2006, it is still the same good old lags today. Quote: Eve was never designed to be a discount MMO and is never going to be priced that way. I said, I don't mind paying more. But not $25+ for 15 days. If they want direct payments - let they implement direct payments for 3-5 main payment systems. P.S. Have you read the "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy", especially the "Life, the Universe and Everything" part? Where they met the man who speak the absolute truth? Remember the tale about meaning?
VheroKai Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2008.06.26 01:26:00 - [895] (Not to mention - we already lost our director/FC due to ETC change - he just can't pay that much for that little)
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2008.06.26 04:17:00 - [896] I'm going to have to "hibernate" my main for a while - I wasn't able to farm up the ISK to buy my GTC this month. Had 30 day codes been available for another month, I'd have been home and hosed. My 320M ISK this month goes to my alt, who doesn't have long skills to train. Hopefully she and my friends can pull their acts together and farm up the 320M-odd ISK for my main to come back before the long skill finishes training :) I have no gripes with simplifying to 1 GTC type. I have no gripes with the rise in price (in US dollars). My only gripe is that I couldn't adapt my income to the new pricing structure with the short notice. I tried, but only came up with half the funds I needed. I definitely want GTC to stay, and I definitely want ISK-for-GTC to stay. For me, the challenge in playing this game is to raise the ISK to pay for the play time.
Enech Felbar	Posted - 2008.06.26 08:55:00 - [897] Gutted, I want 90days back!! /signed
Anilusion	Posted - 2008.06.26 10:50:00 - [898] /signed
Mack Dorgeans Camelot Innovations	Posted - 2008.06.27 00:00:00 - [899] Epic fail, CCP. It's one thing to increase prices, but trying to hide it by claiming the removal of time code options is to conform to "industry standards" is pretty dirty. I'm also concerned about what this means for subscription rates. Will players only be able to pay in 60-day increments there, as well? If not, what is the rationale behind giving some players a range of paid time and pricing options and taking it away from others? If you need more money, raise prices across the board and be transparent about it.
Kaya Divine	Posted - 2008.06.27 10:31:00 - [900] Most of players wants ability to be in one system with 1000 others without fear of lag or DC`s. If lag issues and DC`s was things of the past, less people would whine about this raising prices. "Ok, you solve problems, fixed bugs and exploits, did everything to make game more enjoyable, here you go I don`t mind price raise." <You would have much more this kind of answers, but sadly this isn't my imaginary world. I consulted moralists to learn how to appear philosophers to find out what to think and novelists to see what I could get away with and in the end it all came down to one principle:win or die.

Cutter Isaacson Hollow World Mining Corporation QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.06.27 11:46:00 - [901] This situation needs to be revised. An open discussion gets my vote. Originally by: Verone Sweet baby jesus and his holy mother of pwn.
L046 Stripey Industrial Beast Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.06.27 12:08:00 - [902] Originally by: Jade Constantine Stuff like Walking in Stations is a whole new graphic engine thats world class in the industry Tbh i dont play this game to look at stuff in the stations, i play to blow ships up in space. make this add on optional and charge more for it. dont charge people for something most will not use or wont bother with after they have spent 10mins or so looking at it bring back 30/90days even at teh higher european rate
praznimrak	Posted - 2008.06.27 14:41:00 - [903] Hahahaha. it is fun.premium game and walk in stacion? What are you talking abouth.Who asked for walking in stacion?That mean i will have to pay more for some usles stacion graphics? Let me put this way.Ccp wants more money,gread,and is inventing rediculose resons to get it.What is wrang to u guy.Did u hade to many beers and to much drogs and now u think that u kind of super star who wants to gain a lot of money singing the same songs.Como on.take it easy.The paying sistem and Gtc did work fine.I beet that all ccp employs live nice from ther waige.So whats the trobel.It looks like you are pushing limits to see what will hapend,knowing that your consumers are adictid to your product.But You CCP are making a player expirience more and more dificuld.Youst finding new ways to keep ppl farming more and more isk and have less and less fun.EVE engen,dinamics and gameplay have a great potencial for great fun(that is what games r all abouth) and u CCP are making it to boring,to hatrd and to expencive now.So please MR.Super Star sing new song,lighter one,easyer to listen and whith meldis that will make u big odience.If You CCP continu like this.......You know what hapend?Superstars lose ther light and vanish. Please consider that fact that players wnat to enyoi eve and not have to sufer cntinius bad moves from guys that are allredy making greate profits from this game and now this guys wants more.Maybe some weakend house or a new car? Sory for bad english. Keep old gtc sistem and prices please
Sir Ibex	Posted - 2008.06.27 16:04:00 - [904] Edited by: Sir Ibex on 27/06/2008 16:05:09 Originally by: Jade Constantine Pressing them on the issue yielded the very honest answer: Eve is a premium product with a huge development effort, high class graphics and major design on new features and functions. Stuff like Walking in Stations is a whole new graphic engine thats world class in the industry and fundamentally its our choice as to whether we want to pay for quality or not. Why not give every single player the choice to decide if they want to pay for that quality or not?! Why FORCE us to pay extra for these new features and expansions? Why not give us the option to "buy" extra features and expansions only if we choose to? It would be a great plan: Players who want new content pay more for it, and players who don't pay less and retain the option of buying cheaper, short term TCs. That's better than losing players completely, no? I would rather pay $30-50 every time a new expansion comes out, instead of it being forced upon me along with price hikes and removal of convenient options such as buying 150mil isk 30 day TCs. So far, it "might" be still possible for me to grind 400mil for 60day TCs every now and then in between paying with my credit card. However, if that option also gets removed, which I can see happening, it's "bye bye CCP. It's been fun while it lasted". Either way, I will now be forced to renew my subscription much less often than I used to. If anything, CCP should give us the option of an unlimited skill queue. They could at least give us that much given the recent events.
Tallai Reeca	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:56:00 - [905] Agreed.
Arbitraier	Posted - 2008.06.27 23:03:00 - [906] I don't know if it is already mentioned but players playing the game trough steam still have the option to buy 30-days for 14,95 USD. Can CCP explain this?
L046 Stripey Industrial Beast Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.06.28 00:00:00 - [907] Originally by: Arbitraier I don't know if it is already mentioned but players playing the game trough steam still have the option to buy 30-days for 14,95 USD. Can CCP explain this? can you post a link for steam. would be nice to get a cheaper sub for at least a while, ccp nerf bat will swing im sure
Arbitraier	Posted - 2008.06.28 10:55:00 - [908] Here is a link for eve on steam: EVE on Steam.
Rhum Kach Pleasure and Pain	Posted - 2008.06.28 18:27:00 - [909] /signed
Faekurias Black Legion Command Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.28 21:20:00 - [910] Most definately has my support

Captain Bastage Adamist Industries	Posted - 2008.06.29 14:31:00 - [911] /signed --
Irene Ley	Posted - 2008.06.30 12:12:00 - [912] I am happy to announce the great achievements that CCP has made with my subscriptions. 1 year ago i was a 5 accounts player, 2 mains ones and 3 alters raising skills focused in capital ships. Then our friend CCP Zulupark had the nice idea of nerfing the carriers because they should be used in another way. Well, in my opinion it was just a real bad thing since as in any contract u cant sell a house with 4 rooms and 300 m2 in total and after 3 months say that the rooms are just 1 and 30 m2. Another nice idea of Zulupark was lowering the unused explosive resistance of shields in a called un-nerfing patch. How ironic. My alters lost a lot of their capabilities and all the isk I spent in skills and gtc for their creation gone into a total waste of time. I havent acivated those 3 accounts since dec 2007. Then here they are again with another great idea (I suppose from the nice mind of Zulupark). Let¦s increase de income from the game and lower the number of connections since the game is saturated. How can we do it without telling what do we want to do?. Here is the answer, since many europeans are used to buy gtc in dolars to get the benefit from the dolar euro exchange, let's change the gtc system and let's see what we get. - Let's get global benefit raising the base price of gtc. From 14,95 30 days = 0,5 cents/day, 39,95 90 days = 0,45 cents/day to a nice 34,95 60 days = 0,5825 cents/day. WOW, great idea 30% extra income than using 90 days gtc. - Also if people wants to try do offline training they needed 6 * 30 days gtc aprox each year, now they will need 4 * 60 days aprox. It means 14,956= 89.7 and now they will need 34.954=139.8. WOW 50 dolars more each year. - Ooo, remember all this people using gtc to get the benefit from dolar-euro exchange, this change will make the price the a gtc subscription way worse than just paying directly 1 year of credit card subscription. They are basically forcing us to pay more for each account we have even if we use it or if we try to do offline training. I think that the next step will be not allow offline training, once your account runs out of time they will stop your training. Well, atm I am just using 1 account and it will run out tomorrow, with the current price of gtc in isk I have to spent way more time now to pay my next gtc and with every move done by CCP it gets worse. """ THIS IS JUST A WAY FOR EARNING MORE MONEY """ Well, I keep thinking that they will not answer us, they will just keep laughing at our faces. Have fun.
Sir SmellyFart	Posted - 2008.06.30 13:41:00 - [913] Originally by: Irene Ley """ THIS IS JUST A WAY FOR EARNING MORE MONEY """ Well, I keep thinking that they will not answer us, they will just keep laughing at our faces. Have fun. Err, they already did answer us. They said there previous explanation of why the cards were changed was really marketing BS, they failed to mention that their new explanation is also marketing BS though.
Irene Ley	Posted - 2008.06.30 20:26:00 - [914] I dont feel confortable with any answer comming from CSM atm. The decission comes from CCP and CSM is just a filter for problems installed by CCP. If they dont want to answer anything, they can just make CSM answer for them without having to face the problem directly. My total support to CSM task in any way. I think that in the same way that happened to me with my carrier alters not being reactivated since the carrier nerf, eve have suffered a reduction on its active alter account amount, hurting the income of company. It can be shown past months prices of gtc for isk. I was allowed to buy a 90 days gtc for 325 mil. The main interest of CCP is to increase the income by: - Solve the reduction of income because of many people not training anymore their alters. - Making Euro people pay in Euros. - Making ALL people pay more. - Lower the ammount of posible people online so their servers dont go obsolete so fast. About their "PREMIUM" comment about this game, I have to say that it's very good, even more if u are an old player who has worked hard to achieve complex objetives; but the problem here is not if the game is good or bad they must say things directly, if u want to raise prices do it equal to everyone. Let all people pay in euros or dolars without restrictions and call the things by its name "PRICE INCREASE". I am sure that the next step is going to be the stop RP & SP once an account is deactivated, since it will mean around a 50% extra income from every alter account. Have fun in EVE-CRASH-REGISTER-ONLINE.
Kylin44 CAPITALISTIC PIGS SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2008.07.02 04:23:00 - [915] CCP will not get any more money from me. I havent renewed any of my accounts and WILL NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!
Root Canal	Posted - 2008.07.02 07:05:00 - [916] Originally by: Irene Ley ...Then our friend CCP Zulupark had the nice idea of nerfing the carriers... In my opinion, Zulupark is a complete idiot and should not be employed by CCP. His solution to everything is to nerf. His job should be nerfed. Originally by: Irene Ley ...I think that the next step will be not allow offline training, once your account runs out of time they will stop your training... That would be suicide. I'm not sure they won't do something like that, though... they have been getting very good at shooting themselves in the feet. As to the GTC change, I personally own nine accounts. I had been running all of them on 30d GTCs so I could keep tight control over whether and how much I pay CCP. I vary the number of active accounts according to how pleased or **ed I am with CCP. Reducing the money I pay to CCP is one way of forcing a reimbursement denied by a GM, and the reimbursement comes back in RL money as savings in reduced subscription fees. To have all nine accounts active I was paying just under US$135 per month to buy 30d GTCs. At the moment this change became effective and I could no longer buy 30d GTCs I would have had to shell out just under US$300 to keep all the accounts going. Uh, no, I don't agree to do that. I let some of my accounts expire and left some expired for about 10 days. Now I have switched to CC payment, 30d at a time, and I track the expiry dates as I did with GTCs. When it comes time to reduce the active accounts for whatever reason I will "cancel" them. This month I will have all nine active because I just switched to 64-bit XP Pro and I want to see whether I can run all nine at the same time. With 32-bit XP Pro I could never run more than seven since Trinity. In recent days I successfully ran eight, and will activate the last account to test running nine. The recent fix to the cache setting seems to have helped, and with it set to off or none I no longer see the memory usage creeping ever upward. If I can run all nine I will be happy for a while. Otherwise, or if CCP **es me off in some other way, I will reduce the number of active accounts.
Dariah Stardweller Kuruwasu Industries	Posted - 2008.07.02 08:30:00 - [917] Originally by: Irene Ley The main interest of CCP is to increase the income by: - Solve the reduction of income because of many people not training anymore their alters. - Making Euro people pay in Euros. - Making ALL people pay more. - Lower the ammount of posible people online so their servers dont go obsolete so fast. There you have the real reasons in a nutshell. Quote: About their "PREMIUM" comment about this game, And here we have the marketing crap CCP tells us.
SunglassesInSpace SPACE DUDES	Posted - 2008.07.02 09:38:00 - [918] blargh
ShaffGT The Lost Legion	Posted - 2008.07.03 04:31:00 - [919] /signed
lady2isis Philae Temple	Posted - 2008.07.04 03:39:00 - [920] Edited by: lady2isis on 04/07/2008 03:42:04 /signed i am who i am; therefor i am Her

Knocturnal The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.07.04 11:11:00 - [921] Well the ammout of gtc's that were sold made eve have this huge popular success and i'm 100% it was the best cash income for ccp. Doing so getting bigger priceingz ccp will lose more subscribers and not only that will lose people that had ammouts of alts and now they`ll keep main + 1 or 2 chars.. I for one had 6 accoutns .. now i`ll stick 2 one and leave the others unpaid. In time ccp will lose. WoW and all the other products comming from blizzard are premium aswell so it ain't just eve. OK we pay more but we still get the hardcore lag in fleet fights. Still the stupid game mechaincs with pos and titan's .. It still the old game we started paying 4 - 5 years ago. CCP were forced to evolved and improve quality otherwise they would have bankruped allready. Just my 2 cents F*ck Derek we got Xlop.
Titas Agor TITANS OF PEACE	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:55:00 - [922] i gotta say that this was a bad idea in the history of bad idea's. GTCs are now up by 200mil for every GTC now which for a carebare like me cannot make that much a month in order to play the game now... so the option of using isk just to play i can no longer do and to be honnest, the average player wont either be able to afford 400mil every 2 months... thats a sh!t load of missioning and mining non stop and some ppl do actually have lives to live. So thats one point thats really screwed me up royaly as a player for me personally... 2ndly, an increase in fee is absolutely retarted, in order for me pay to play, i have to spend 35 bucks wth? and dont tell me thats industry standard... thats *******s.... im sorry but that is, EVERY online game has a 30day subscription fee, ALL of them... If i want to pay for 60 or 90 days, i want to have the option, if i wanna jus pay monthly fee's for it, well that should be my descision shouldn't it? taking away all the options really screws everyone up and not everyone is gonna be willing to do it. I love eve, i've loved it ever since i first saw it and played it... but now im forced and limited in my options to play it, use isk just to play it and leave nothing in my wallet for ships or losses, or pay MORE then i was before... a totally stupid idea and yes it might sort out some of the farming/scamming to a degree, but at what cost? you should really take a look at the timecard forums... you jus raised the prices by 200% more or less.... thanks a lot
Takashi Koby PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.07.08 00:57:00 - [923] /signed
Brutore	Posted - 2008.07.08 02:57:00 - [924] I love eve, i used cc for abit then went to gtc's, manly 30 days. But since the change to only 60 days my eve playing has gone downhill. Im losing isk, therefore i cant buy gtc's, and since i cant buy gtc's i can't play and since i cant play i aint having fun so i quit eve and do other things. i have 3 accounts, gonna have to sell one, maybe the the other and go to one account. But i dont want to do that because i enjoy eve. So because of these stupid 60 days CCP will lose alot of low income and short term players. Nice going CCP because you want to make more money you plan to sacrifice your total amount of people who play. Nice going....
Belmarduk de Prieure Four Elements	Posted - 2008.07.08 09:47:00 - [925] 33% price increase is a very bad idea and is only ****ing off players.... /signed CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
Lord Darkness Super Muppets Accumulated Space Holding Inc	Posted - 2008.07.09 01:43:00 - [926] I support having 30 and 90d codes
Seth Ruin Galactic Exploration and Mining Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.10 02:18:00 - [927] Removing 30d time cards is acceptable from the standpoint that some users were "playing" the game without paying for it by setting their longer (30d+) skills and not paying for that month. However, the price increase is affecting all of us quite adversely. It is extremely difficult to make the isk necessary to play this game now, meaning a good amount of the player base is being left out. This is not acceptable, CCP.
Vreena Yurai-Tenshin Zaibatsu Celestial Imperative	Posted - 2008.07.10 07:34:00 - [928] Signed. ----- The above does not reflect the views and/or opinions of my corporation or alliance...well it could, but let's not be presumptuous, okay?
LordSwift INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE	Posted - 2008.07.10 12:16:00 - [929] Hi, i only just started selling time codes when they announced that it was going to change and i pay by CC so i was not affected. I agree that these changes sucked. But From various posts i have read. CCP will not be changing there mind. I cant find the post, but there was a dev comment about this issue. Selling time codes does not make them money in the long run. They sell them in bulk to the other websites that sell GTC's at a discount. So they dont make money, and as a BUSINESS that is not a good thing. As a business you have to make a profit to be able to run things. Need to pay for electricity, Wages, Development software, Security costs etc etc. I am sure if a dev posted the actual Cost to Run EVE online for a year, most whiners would think again about complaining. From what i read in the other post, unlike every other mmo in existence. We are the only ones to get two FREE expansions a year, so that is a extra ú20-ú30 quid in our pockets every 6mths. I believe the cost to develop each expansion is over ú10 million. Dont forget CCP is a business and they are in the business to make úúú. Keeping us happy is only needed to keep it rolling in. Raise prices for 30 days is fine with me if thet are bought back
Promithius Amarr Subach-Tech Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.07.10 18:44:00 - [930] /signed bring back 30 and 90 GTC's Im no accountant but im sure yours is more than happy with the books they dont need a 33% rise

Arthor Dova	Posted - 2008.07.13 01:58:00 - [931] Edited by: Arthor Dova on 13/07/2008 01:58:52 /signed btw.. to quote: Quote: Dont forget CCP is a business and they are in the business to make úúú. Keeping us happy is only needed to keep it rolling in. Raise prices for 30 days is fine with me if thet are bought back Why can't CCP say this themselves?
Rogue Wing Gallente Infernal Syndicate	Posted - 2008.07.13 04:20:00 - [932] I can't believe it. This topic has so much support, but CCP won't do anything about it.
Alex Verrel	Posted - 2008.07.13 09:30:00 - [933] 420M+ isk for 60 days of play. What a deal! Great job CCP.
Seiver D'amross Subach-Tech Warp to Desktop	Posted - 2008.07.13 20:30:00 - [934] whoever made this needs to make one for the GTCs _____________________________________________________ I shal stand tall and shake the heavens with my power
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.07.14 03:56:00 - [935] Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 14/07/2008 03:56:18 ccp said no to the csm, I think the csm needs to tell ccp no! bring on the battleship 5, carrier 5, dreadnought 5, large turret 5, capital turret 5, recon 5, battle cruiser 5, command ship 5 and so on
Ineun AngelCor Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.07.14 04:38:00 - [936] Personally i think CCP DON'T GIVE A FLYING ** WHAT WE THINK!!! we pay them money they get rich the greedy ***s raise the bar to gorge on our playing the game all i saw in the latest csm post (now i dont blame any csm) is that ccp dont listen to them either on these topics its all the FAT CATS! that make these dictions so they can have that big bonus and payrise just like the rest of the worlds companys that raises prices with no reason the 1$=1Eur is total bullshite and a scam i buy eve through GTC in dollars and i got a cracking deal BUT 60D GTC = STILL CHEAPER PER MONTH THAN 6 MONTH SUB IN EUROPE... shame i <3 this game but these corporate *s are ruining my financial commitment to this game :) ohai i is your resident Socialist...
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.07.14 04:52:00 - [937] Originally by: Ineun Personally i think CCP DON'T GIVE A FLYING ** WHAT WE THINK!!! we pay them money they get rich the greedy ***s raise the bar to gorge on our playing the game all i saw in the latest csm post (now i dont blame any csm) is that ccp dont listen to them either on these topics its all the FAT CATS! that make these dictions so they can have that big bonus and payrise just like the rest of the worlds companys that raises prices with no reason the 1$=1Eur is total bullshite and a scam i buy eve through GTC in dollars and i got a cracking deal BUT 60D GTC = STILL CHEAPER PER MONTH THAN 6 MONTH SUB IN EUROPE... shame i <3 this game but these corporate *s are ruining my financial commitment to this game 2 60 gtcs, or a 2 month sub as yes a 60gtc should be cheaper than a 6 month sub
Orcrus	Posted - 2008.07.14 16:04:00 - [938] my account expires on the 17th today is the 14th. I will no longer be supporting this game due to this change.
Blazing Fire Interstellar Operations Incorporated	Posted - 2008.07.15 06:45:00 - [939] I have said enough on other threads. You got my vote. Blazing Fire CEO Interstellar Operations Incorporated Corp web site Services [Service] Killboard hosting [Service] Forum hosting [Service] Web site hosting [Service] Alliance Creation
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Grumber1 Caldari Bambooule	Posted - 2008.07.17 11:37:00 - [941] signed
Marcus Boush	Posted - 2008.07.17 15:22:00 - [942] signed here
Thorradin State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.18 02:36:00 - [943] Originally by: Seth Ruin Removing 30d time cards is acceptable from the standpoint that some users were "playing" the game without paying for it by setting their longer (30d+) skills and not paying for that month. However, the price increase is affecting all of us quite adversely. It is extremely difficult to make the isk necessary to play this game now, meaning a good amount of the player base is being left out. This is not acceptable, CCP. So buy the ETC with real money instead of ISK, or use a (prepaid) credit card and pay less than a method that has a middle man?
Mattias Renholm New Horizon Industries	Posted - 2008.07.19 12:25:00 - [944] signed The two main issues mentioned in the post that I don't like are: a) Removal of choice - bring back the 30/90 day GTCs b) Inconsistency of pricing - CC & GTC should be equivalent, and the price should also be independent of currency imo: Fix the price in euros or dollars and let exchange rates take care of the rest.
fairimear S.A.S Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.07.19 13:27:00 - [945] Eve needs to be cheaper than WOW. End of. Makeing your npc hunters SS.
Neovenator	Posted - 2008.07.19 18:12:00 - [946] signed.
Bloody Rabbit Jita Miners	Posted - 2008.07.19 20:26:00 - [947] I agree with what CCP did. I have no problem at all with it, and to add to it I do wish that CCP would stop skill training on all accounts that go to inactive status. Local and Covert cloaking Idea
Rarkal Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.19 20:44:00 - [948] /Signed
WishBlade Atomic Heroes Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.07.21 08:34:00 - [949] TBH, for me it's not about the time of the card, but it actually is the price. Right now I pay appr 234.- for one month by credit, and 336.- for a 60d GTC. This game is absolutely unaffordable, unless I find a friend in the US to pay via credit, as that is the only affordable way to play now, as 2 30d GTC's were cheaper, than 1 60d. In fact, one 90d was cheaper, than 1 60d. 1 Euro = 15.6.- 1$ = 9.6.- you do the F'n math. 60d GTC should cost AT MOST! as much as 2 30d ones used to cost, and then some less, as it's buying bulk. And in GTC trade for ISK the outcome should be a 60d GTC should cost 300 ISK overpriced. The EVE Novel cost me about as much as one month of the game itself. Signature
Joseph Marsh	Posted - 2008.07.21 10:39:00 - [950] Edited by: Joseph Marsh on 21/07/2008 10:39:26 My account will expire on the 24. Probably i will pay one more month. And after that i will freeze my account and i will wait. I will wait for EVE to become a REAL premium product. I don't like to pay a premium price for a sub-standard product. And with premium i mean: 1. NO LAG for large fleet battle. Now with over 100 players in one system the game is lagy like hell, and this is not premium, this is sub-standard product. 2. NO BUGS. a premium product should be free of bugs. From this point of view WOW is a premium product, bu not EVE. In 4 month while i had played WOW until i get bored i did not see a single bug. In EVE, also 4 months, i have seen some horrific bugs: from NPC that did not take any damages, to UI bugs that still are there, EVE has left me with a bitter taste so far. 3. NO BIG BUGS. And the big bugs are when the client is crashing, or memory leaks. And i got a lot of client crashing, and some times the client leaks like a broken pipe. So they incresed the price with promises that some time in the near feature EVE will be better. Bu i don't want, i will not pay for a non existing product. When they will make EVE a TRUE PREMIUM product, then i will continue EVE, until the i have better things to do than paying to test a sub-standard product.

Jory	Posted - 2008.07.21 12:57:00 - [951] Edited by: Jory on 21/07/2008 12:57:39 Originally by: Joseph Marsh Edited by: Joseph Marsh on 21/07/2008 10:39:26 My account will expire on the 24. Probably i will pay one more month. And after that i will freeze my account and i will wait. I will wait for EVE to become a REAL premium product. I don't like to pay a premium price for a sub-standard product. And with premium i mean: 1. NO LAG for large fleet battle. Now with over 100 players in one system the game is lagy like hell, and this is not premium, this is sub-standard product. 2. NO BUGS. a premium product should be free of bugs. From this point of view WOW is a premium product, bu not EVE. In 4 month while i had played WOW until i get bored i did not see a single bug. In EVE, also 4 months, i have seen some horrific bugs: from NPC that did not take any damages, to UI bugs that still are there, EVE has left me with a bitter taste so far. 3. NO BIG BUGS. And the big bugs are when the client is crashing, or memory leaks. And i got a lot of client crashing, and some times the client leaks like a broken pipe. So they incresed the price with promises that some time in the near feature EVE will be better. Bu i don't want, i will not pay for a non existing product. When they will make EVE a TRUE PREMIUM product, then i will continue EVE, until the i have better things to do than paying to test a sub-standard product. /Sign Also....Can I have your stuff??
TheMailman GreenSwarm Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.21 21:17:00 - [952] mandatory thumbs up...
Lorac Caladon The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2008.07.22 00:05:00 - [953] Edited by: Lorac Caladon on 22/07/2008 00:05:49 2 of my accounts will be expiring next month unless this policy is reversed.
Peter40	Posted - 2008.07.22 17:47:00 - [954] signed
bradfirj92	Posted - 2008.07.23 12:10:00 - [955] I don't know if it's ever going to change, but can CCP continue to completely ignore 30+ pages of agree posts? +1
Valru THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.07.25 19:54:00 - [956] signed
brittany england	Posted - 2008.07.25 22:57:00 - [957] signed this is not acceptable way to increase prices while not increaseing server performance. ive been playing for yrs and have several accounts and all of them will be offline monday. i wont be back for some time its just not worth the isk to pay for this game.yes i said isk because ive been paying with isk for the last year to play now. with these changes i cant afford it and my gtc supplier wont bye the new 60 day ones and if he did there just not worth the isk that there asking for them. i will be back but it will take some time so my 3 accounts will go inactive for the time being. goodluck in there adventures and letts hope something comes from this brittany england signing out
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.07.26 07:06:00 - [958] Originally by: brittany england signed this is not acceptable way to increase prices while not increaseing server performance. ive been playing for yrs and have several accounts and all of them will be offline monday. i wont be back for some time its just not worth the isk to pay for this game.yes i said isk because ive been paying with isk for the last year to play now. with these changes i cant afford it and my gtc supplier wont bye the new 60 day ones and if he did there just not worth the isk that there asking for them. i will be back but it will take some time so my 3 accounts will go inactive for the time being. goodluck in there adventures and letts hope something comes from this brittany england signing out train a long skill and they have been working on server performance quite a bit actually. if you have better ideas for how to do it you should apply for a job.
medea betencore Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.31 07:34:00 - [959] /signed This change has forced one of my three accounts into expiration. I cant play with currency only ISK, and the ISK cost increase has forced me to lose an account as I do not make enough extra ISK to cover it.
Sylthi Coreward Pan-Galactic	Posted - 2008.07.31 09:06:00 - [960] Edited by: Sylthi on 31/07/2008 09:07:27 So CCP tells the CSM and us, the players, that a price increase is not within the pervue of the CSM.... I guess that is a little nicer than CCP saying "STFU plebs! Pay it and like it!" But, the end result is the same isn't it? What I find extremely telling about this issue is CCP's unwillingness to talk about it or even ALLOW discussion of the topic. To me, this translates to they are screwing us, they KNOW they are screwing us, and they don't even feel obligated to admit it. Talk about learning in no-uncertain terms where you stand with a company.... Oh, for the record, I support the OP and a full disclosure of this subject by CCP. I also fully support and request a return of further options to the GTC. I.E. 30 day, 90 day, 120 day... etc. Not that we are going to get any of these things. After over five years I am fully aware that CCP is NOT in the business of keeping their customers happy or of being responsible to them in any way. Support. * *

Berendas	Posted - 2008.07.31 16:04:00 - [961] This topic deserves CSM/dev attention.
fried eggs	Posted - 2008.08.02 14:36:00 - [962] One account expired Thursday. 2 more to go. CCP: Please fix this mistake ASAP.
DaemonExodus Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.08.03 05:09:00 - [963] supported
Clueless Alt	Posted - 2008.08.03 19:10:00 - [964] blah
Thorin Quinn	Posted - 2008.08.04 12:15:00 - [965] i vote yes Please put them back please 30s atleast
Kryttos Hard Corp Carbide and Diamonds Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.07 22:16:00 - [966] Signed [email protected]
squiddie Sleeper Technology Industries	Posted - 2008.08.07 23:09:00 - [967] Need 90-Days Vote against the nano nerf! Don't forget to check the 'support' checkbox when replying.
Rogue Wing Azn Empire	Posted - 2008.08.08 02:19:00 - [968] Oh for god's sake, fix it.
Aenikus Gallente Freelancing Corp	Posted - 2008.08.08 10:14:00 - [969] So we know the industry standard excuse was so much BS, it was just a price hike, as the CSM found out in their meeting. We know the it is too expensive for CCP to have more than one type of card is nonsense since the Japanese now get 50 day cards. So CCP stop being corporate speak buffoons and deliver choice to your customers through a variety of card types: 30, 60, 90 and even 180 or 360 cards and bring back the old dollar prices.
Guyon Angevin	Posted - 2008.08.08 10:24:00 - [970] Yes we get so much marketing BS from CCP about reasons for only having one type of card then they the Japanese 50 day cards. Are CCP too stupid to see the irony of this decions after all the nonsense they have told the CSM and the players about the cards. Be a good service company CCP and give us, YOUR CUSTOMERS, GTC choice.

Andreya Direct Intent	Posted - 2008.08.09 04:51:00 - [971] _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected])
Iluminat Minmatar Sharp Dressed Man	Posted - 2008.08.11 07:16:00 - [972] Signed
Damned Force Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.08.11 07:22:00 - [973] Originally by: Guyon Angevin Yes we get so much marketing BS from CCP about reasons for only having one type of card then they the Japanese 50 day cards. Are CCP too stupid to see the irony of this decions after all the nonsense they have told the CSM and the players about the cards. Be a good service company CCP and give us, YOUR CUSTOMERS, GTC choice. THIS
ScaryMary Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.08.11 11:18:00 - [974] i dont know why ccp think it is acceptable to rise prices when they still have shitty laggy battles in eve imo fix the lag, then rise the prices not the otherway around
Holy Lowlander Aurora Acclivitous Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.08.14 10:11:00 - [975] ok I know this is old but I still want to support it ... ^^ Something I find ridiculas is that CCP charges the same amount for a month subscribtion in US $'s as in Euro's . So I pay 34,99 EURO's a 2 months via subscribtion ... while I pay in US dollars at GTC vendors saving me 12 euro's .... Quote: woot I wants a toy arbitrator !!! :O
Meepness22 The Lighthouse Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.11 20:21:00 - [976] Give us our choices back
Aaru	Posted - 2008.09.11 21:39:00 - [977]
Pax Ratlin Woodland Larch	Posted - 2008.09.11 22:06:00 - [978]
hired goon Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.09.12 22:44:00 - [979] lol -omg-
Dogfighter	Posted - 2008.09.17 22:30:00 - [980] /signed

Zylawy	Posted - 2008.09.18 16:32:00 - [981] /signed
Nicola Sardonicus	Posted - 2008.11.17 21:42:00 - [982] Please provide 30-day GTCs to give players more flexibility in managing their real-life and in-game cash flow. ____________________________________ War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength.
Miandondon	Posted - 2008.11.17 21:48:00 - [983] What "industry standards" is CCP following in implementing this change (other than greed)?
Arithron Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.17 22:07:00 - [984] I suggest you stop whining and look up '30 Day Pilot's License Extension' on your local market! take care, Arithron Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358
Sir SmellyFart State War Academy	Posted - 2008.11.18 20:20:00 - [985] Originally by: Arithron I suggest you stop whining and look up '30 Day Pilot's License Extension' on your local market! take care, Arithron Ah yes, there are plenty of 90 day cards around there, and they knocked down the prices of gtc's to be inline with credit card or other forms of subscription. Oh wait, no, that didn't happen at all.
Arithron Gallente Gallente Trade Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.18 21:29:00 - [986] Of course they didn't, they are a company that would prefer a regular cashflow, hence a price differential to encourage players to use credit card payments etc. Many companies do it (eg, in UK companies give discounts for paying regular direct debits instead of billing/payment). Besides this inducement to move to credit card payments, there is the matter of reseller profits to consider. A company selling GTC needs to make a profit on them. CCP need their bottom line. Add these together, you get a more expensive GTC than just paying for your time direct with CCP. Buying a GTC from CCP can't be cheaper than resellers, otherwise no-one would buy from resellers, number gtc sold (and hence players logging in) would drop. The 30 day PL, available in-game on markets, allows you to buy multiples of 30 days for ISK...ie, no RL cost to you at all. If you are smart enough, or partake in the right activities, you can play without costing a cent (or whatever) of you RL money. take care, Arithron Vote Arithron for CSM! Check out my thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=899358


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