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Tiberius Rhavinia A MAGUS INDUSTRIES Sang Do Oligarchic Democracy	Posted - 2008.05.31 01:20:00 - [1] I was just fighting some EOM Hydras and their similarity to Khanid produced ships got me to wondering, are we ever going to recieve the black nightmares that such a ship would be? PS sorry for the noobish question
Tiberius Rhavinia A MAGUS INDUSTRIES Sang Do Oligarchic Democracy	Posted - 2008.05.31 01:20:00 - [2] I was just fighting some EOM Hydras and their similarity to Khanid produced ships got me to wondering, are we ever going to recieve the black nightmares that such a ship would be? PS sorry for the noobish question
Dristra Shadows of the Dead R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.31 01:25:00 - [3] We sure hope for a Khanid bs... Support the introduction of well thought out Amarr solutions! I believe rats should avoid you if you have high standing with them.
Dristra Shadows of the Dead R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.31 01:25:00 - [4] We sure hope for a Khanid bs... Support the introduction of well thought out Amarr solutions! I believe rats should avoid you if you have high standing with them.
Oedus Caro Cross Roads Ouroboros Cross Combine	Posted - 2008.05.31 02:22:00 - [5] My missile skills suck, so I'd gain nothing of practical value. However, I honestly wouldn't care; an Abaddon in Khanid colors? Sign me up.
mama guru Contraband Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.31 06:14:00 - [6] Originally by: Dristra We sure hope for a Khanid bs... Torp Apoc EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.05.31 06:31:00 - [7] Torp Abaddon Think 7 launchers (plus/minus one, depending on just HOW over/underpowered you want it to be), 25% armor resists bonus and -25% cap recharge time from the base L5 prereq, 5% torp damage bonus and 10% torp flight time from the T2 skill. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5
BiggestT Fun Inc Black-Out	Posted - 2008.05.31 07:04:00 - [8] That would be cool..finally a REAL cal-ammarr faction bs (the nigtmare doesnt count, it requires no caldari support skills) "The assymetrical horrors of the motherland will rise, the mechanical beasts will depart from the dark, we will not perish, we will not fail. The Reign of the Caldari State is nigh."
Ash Bringer	Posted - 2008.05.31 07:22:00 - [9] and make it shield tank :)
Mastin Dragonfly Absolutely No Retreat Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.31 08:31:00 - [10] Originally by: Ash Bringer and make it shield tank :) Die!
vostok Suns Of Korhal deadspace society	Posted - 2008.05.31 08:35:00 - [11] Originally by: Ash Bringer and make it shield tank :) ok dreaming is one thing but a T2 battleship using torps and shield tanking is called a golem...
Mastin Dragonfly Absolutely No Retreat Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.31 10:43:00 - [12] Originally by: BiggestT (the nigtmare doesnt count, it requires no caldari support skills) Shield tank doesn't count?
FT Diomedes Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2008.05.31 10:53:00 - [13] It would be nice to see a real armor-tanking BS-class missile boat (the Typhoon doesn't count because it is a Swiss Army knife - and only has 4 missile slots). ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome.
Euriti Caritas.	Posted - 2008.05.31 11:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Ash Bringer and make it shield tank :) YAY LETS CAREBEAR IN MOTSU! No. Armor tank ftw in PvP, and if we need more t2 Battleships, it's gotta be Tier 3 tech 2 pvp battleships dreams on about t2 hyperion
Mimiko Zero Amiga Emperiet	Posted - 2008.05.31 13:18:00 - [15] amarr BS missile boat? oh YES! abbadon hull for this role? naah, it just doesn't have the "missile boat" look on it. apoc would surley be more suited for this role.
Dristra Shadows of the Dead R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.31 15:33:00 - [16] To bad ccp have stated that there will be no Tech II battleship of the "heavy assault battle ship" type. Or no pvp able tech II bs in plain terms Support the introduction of well thought out Amarr solutions! I believe rats should avoid you if you have high standing with them.
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2008.05.31 15:53:00 - [17] They should just make faction ships for the side factions out of the tier3s. Like, Mordus Rokh, Syndicate Hyperion, Thukker Maelstrom and of course Khanid Abaddon. And that Khanid Abaddon would of course be a torp boat with 7 launchers, torp velocity and damage bonus (Damage rather than RoF to be different from the CNR) and otherwise in line with other empire faction ships. Or for pure sex, add a 3rd bonus like the pirate faction ships, which in this case would be armor resists. Make suicide ganking more difficult!
Euriti Caritas.	Posted - 2008.05.31 15:57:00 - [18] Originally by: Leandro Salazar They should just make faction ships for the side factions out of the tier3s. Like, Mordus Rokh, Syndicate Hyperion, Thukker Maelstrom and of course Khanid Abaddon. And that Khanid Abaddon would of course be a torp boat with 7 launchers, torp velocity and damage bonus (Damage rather than RoF to be different from the CNR) and otherwise in line with other empire faction ships. Or for pure sex, add a 3rd bonus like the pirate faction ships, which in this case would be armor resists. <3!
Dristra Shadows of the Dead R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.31 16:00:00 - [19] Originally by: Leandro Salazar They should just make faction ships for the side factions out of the tier3s. Like, Mordus Rokh, Syndicate Hyperion, Thukker Maelstrom and of course Khanid Abaddon. And that Khanid Abaddon would of course be a torp boat with 7 launchers, torp velocity and damage bonus (Damage rather than RoF to be different from the CNR) and otherwise in line with other empire faction ships. Or for pure sex, add a 3rd bonus like the pirate faction ships, which in this case would be armor resists. As you say, and all "special" faction ships get the "3rd" bonus Only empire faction ships are cheated of that "3rd" bonus Unless i am sorely mistaken. Then again khanid is not a special faction, but a under-division of the amarr kingdom, hence: any khanid ship is required to be a tech II amarr ship, and preferably in a class with TWO tech II ships as quite alot of amarr players have very little missile skills, and a option for laser *****s is thereby required. Support the introduction of well thought out Amarr solutions! I believe rats should avoid you if you have high standing with them.
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.31 16:54:00 - [20] It's gotta be a Torpageddon. I can't believe the Redeemer (Amarr Black Ops) isn't black. Surely in a sane world it would be our Torpageddon. ---------------- [insert signature here]
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2008.05.31 21:39:00 - [21] Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 31/05/2008 21:39:35 Originally by: Dristra Then again khanid is not a special faction, but a under-division of the amarr kingdom, hence: any khanid ship is required to be a tech II amarr ship Well, Khanid already have their own T1 faction modules, so I don't see what speaks against them getting T1 faction ships as well. The Black Omen model wants a player-usable adaption badly too, and I am sure there must be some Amarr frig that would look great in pure T1 black as well. Make suicide ganking more difficult!
Madam Kaktar	Posted - 2008.05.31 21:41:00 - [22] I'd rather see it as a new tier I BS. Storyline: with increased hostilities, factions have begun increasing the size of their battleship fleets. Khanid and Caldari did a joint venture to create a new cheap BS. Minmitar have begun refitting mammoths, and Gallente have built a new ship. Khanid & Caldari are similar looking ships, the Khanid being slightly larger and smoother appearance. Khanid (Amarr): 7 missile hardpoints +5% armor resists -5% cap recharge time Caldari: 5 missile hardpoints +5% missile ROF +5% missile kinetic damage Minmitar: Modified mammoth appearance to look more combat worthy, 6 turret hardpoints +10% large projectile optimal +5% large projectile ROF Gallente: 6 turret hardpoints +7.5% hybrid turret tracking -5% MWD capacitor penalty
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.05.31 22:25:00 - [23] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Thukker Maelstrom I am having visions of Tachyon Maelstroms dancing in my head. ---------------- [insert signature here]
Grarr Dexx Naval Protection Corp	Posted - 2008.05.31 22:51:00 - [24] Abaddon takes a lot of his pride in it's designated turret points, I think a Khanid Apocalypse would do good. Or even an Armageddon.
binnichda	Posted - 2008.06.01 00:21:00 - [25] Edited by: binnichda on 01/06/2008 00:22:01 Edited by: binnichda on 01/06/2008 00:21:14 Originally by: Grarr Dexx Abaddon takes a lot of his pride in it's designated turret points, I think a Khanid Apocalypse would do good. Or even an Armageddon. khanid geddon? oem geddon = RAwwww! khanid apoc? hm.. dont know, maybe to lazy khanid Aba? BLACK! +red windows - 7(+-1) torp launcher with armor 25%resists and +25(50%) range? i would DIE for it its easy to fit against amarr dmg types - harder as it is against, lets say gall/minni/cald ...
vostok Suns Of Korhal deadspace society	Posted - 2008.06.01 04:18:00 - [26] Originally by: Madam Kaktar I'd rather see it as a new tier I BS. Storyline: with increased hostilities, factions have begun increasing the size of their battleship fleets. Khanid and Caldari did a joint venture to create a new cheap BS. Minmitar have begun refitting mammoths, and Gallente have built a new ship. Khanid & Caldari are similar looking ships, the Khanid being slightly larger and smoother appearance. Khanid (Amarr): 7 missile hardpoints +5% armor resists -5% cap recharge time Caldari: 5 missile hardpoints +5% missile ROF +5% missile kinetic damage Minmitar: Modified mammoth appearance to look more combat worthy, 6 turret hardpoints +10% large projectile optimal +5% large projectile ROF Gallente: 6 turret hardpoints +7.5% hybrid turret tracking -5% MWD capacitor penalty Don't know about a combat mammoth but a faction industrial or few with stupid hp (to stop high sec gank) and cargo similar to an itty 5 would be frickin' awesome.
Warrio Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.01 04:49:00 - [27] Edited by: Warrio on 01/06/2008 04:51:01 Originally by: Madam Kaktar Minmitar: Modified mammoth appearance to look more combat worthy Yes. YES!!!! Minni are the poorest of the empires but are very resourceful, the Mammoth looks like a BS anyway, what an excellent idea. This has RP written all over it and if you can't RP in internet spaceships then where can you RP? Sig removed due to being too freaking awsome. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Deckard Cain
Joe Starbreaker	Posted - 2008.06.01 05:15:00 - [28] Face it guys, all the Battleships in EVE are butt-ugly except the Armageddon, the Megathron, and the Maelstrom. Every faction or T2 battleship should be based off of those models. Caldari shouldn't have faction or T2 ships. A Khanid Abaddon or Apoc would just be a let-down. ---------------- [insert signature here]
vostok Suns Of Korhal deadspace society	Posted - 2008.06.01 05:30:00 - [29] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Face it guys, all the Battleships in EVE are butt-ugly except the Armageddon, the Megathron, and the Maelstrom. Every faction or T2 battleship should be based off of those models. Caldari shouldn't have faction or T2 ships. A Khanid Abaddon or Apoc would just be a let-down. The maelstrom?! ok well I understand that aerodynamics are pretty much negligible in space (cba with solar winds atm) but the maelstrom, like the brutix, would be unable or traveling in a straight line due to the forces acting on it not acting through its center of gravity, and due to this I just feel it looks massively silly. P.S. if you don't understand why it would be unable to travel in a straight line, I don't know how to explain it to you, because its too bleeding obvious to me. Also, space is NOT zero gravity, zero gravity can only truly occur in another universe (arguable even there), and again, if you don't understand, please don't ask, go and read a book on simple astrophysics. Oh and about what looks good... I like the tempest, hyperion, megathron, rokh (kinda), armageddon and abaddon. But tbh I would prefer to see new BS skins, I think stuff like the nightmare and machariel look so damned badass!
Nu Wa	Posted - 2008.06.02 20:30:00 - [30] I think I'm the only one in EVE who thinks the Nightmare looks bad. There must be something wrong with me..
Munen Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.06.02 21:33:00 - [31] CCP won't make a Khanid BS because it would be in violation of Iceland's ****ography laws. The way you guys are getting a little too happy dreaming about it makes it clear you would be hiding away Khanid pictures in the darkest areas of your comps so your wives can't see them. Be mindful of your surroundings.
brainwhacker Interstellar Snake Foundation	Posted - 2008.06.02 21:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Dristra Then again khanid is not a special faction, but a under-division of the amarr kingdom, hence: any khanid ship is required to be a tech II amarr ship, and preferably in a class with TWO tech II ships as quite alot of amarr players have very little missile skills, and a option for laser *****s is thereby required. actually, if i remember what i read about khanid lore, it's not a subdivision of the amarr empire at all - rather an independent offshoot of the amarr empire that embraced caldari ways and survives diplomatically by producing amarr/caldari hybrid ships (hence amarr hulls with launcher hardpoints) if i'm correct, it'd make sense lore-wise to have khanid faction ships. whether it'd make sense practically, i donno
Segge Bolled Rainy Day Industries	Posted - 2008.06.03 12:42:00 - [33] Originally by: Dristra Then again khanid is not a special faction, but a under-division of the amarr kingdom, hence: Ummm, I completely disagree with this assumption. While not separate in terms of character selection for us, the Khanid are in fact a completely different faction from the Amarr Empire, namely as the Khanid Kingdom. Various writings (here and here) serve to substantiate this statement. They're like the Intaki Syndicate - though they historically originate from one of the four playable Empires, they're wholly independent and self-governing factions. What is established in game however is that the Khanid have created several Tech II class ships. This meshes nicely with the description of the Royal Khanid Navy: "The RKN is not big, but much more hi-tech than that of their cousins the Amarrians.". Personally, I would like to see a (Tech II) "Dark Amarrian" Battleship one day. I would theorize that changes to the Amarr Black Ops Battleship could realize this, but I don't propose any specifics.
Volzir	Posted - 2008.06.03 13:21:00 - [34] Well we have a Carth and Viz Arma and Apoc... That leaves Abba for KI. All black slexy missile Abbadon? I cannot wait. Member of the second best race in the galaxy.
Resamo	Posted - 2008.06.03 16:39:00 - [35] Edited by: Resamo on 03/06/2008 16:39:37 Originally by: vostok The maelstrom?! ok well I understand that aerodynamics are pretty much negligible in space (cba with solar winds atm) but the maelstrom, like the brutix, would be unable or traveling in a straight line due to the forces acting on it not acting through its center of gravity, and due to this I just feel it looks massively silly. Do you know the mass distribution of the maelstrom? i certainly dont perhaps its mass is centered in such a way so that its center of gravity is directly inline with the engines, I think its rather silly of you to asume that the ship has a standerdized mass cross section. It my be unlikely that its center of gravity is inline... but its not impossible.
Nariana Verex Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.06.03 18:26:00 - [36] A torpedo slinging Apocalypse [Neither of the other hulls I could really imagine fitting in with the missile style] would brighten my day considerably. 5% torpedo damage, 5% max capacitor, 5% resists, and 10% torpedo velocity per level of respected ship class? Sign me the hell up. No, seriously, I'll start training missile skills RIGHT NOW if it were confirmed. Do the right thing. Don't leave shuttles in space.
Davien Kaahtt	Posted - 2008.06.03 20:11:00 - [37] How about a second set of mauraders? That right there would scream Khanid. Sadly, I've been forced to use my typhoon as a Khanid Apoc, as it most closely follows Khanid battle tactics. Missiles, Drones, Nos/neut, and heavy armor tank. And while we are at it, why not a second set of HICs? One set, the tankier of the two, the second set, gankier... I'm just bringing that up, because I want a black omen... but so does everyone else.
Tankn00blicus Cosmic Vacum Cleaners	Posted - 2008.06.07 18:55:00 - [38] There's been an Elite Apocalypse Khanid semi in the database for a long time (no proper name or stats, but it has a khanid skin), apparently intended to be the amarr marauder before CCP went with the paladin.
Lithalnas Headcrabs	Posted - 2008.06.07 22:07:00 - [39] remember the eve china vid with the khanid apoc? I say make the abaddon the paladin and make the apoc khanid. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Deschenus Maximus Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.06.07 22:16:00 - [40] Originally by: Lithalnas remember the eve china vid with the khanid apoc? I say make the abaddon the paladin and make the apoc khanid. Yes please.
Ipos	Posted - 2008.06.07 22:47:00 - [41] I would kill myself (in a good way, mind you) for a black khanid apoc! I just love how they look, heck I'd even train amarr BS V for it.
Slade Hoo	Posted - 2008.06.08 00:07:00 - [42] Edited by: Slade Hoo on 08/06/2008 00:09:18 Khanid BS - wheather t1 or t2...a close range with missiles, heavily armored vessel....would be awesome. Missiles and Armor tank can be balanced, no question. I prefer the Armageddon as its model. Or a completly new model as a 4th t1 BS? I wish my dreams become true. Maybe don't put so many launcher into the hislots...it could be designed around cap warfare with some launcher hardpoints?
illapa	Posted - 2008.06.08 04:00:00 - [43] I agree with the geddon model missiles have slower rate of fire than turrets so the rate of fire bonus changed to missiles would be sweet...possibly overpowered but sweet.
Dristra Shadows of the Dead R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.06.08 13:59:00 - [44] Originally by: Segge Bolled Originally by: Dristra Then again khanid is not a special faction, but a under-division of the amarr kingdom, hence: Ummm, I completely disagree with this assumption. While not separate in terms of character selection for us, the Khanid are in fact a completely different faction from the Amarr Empire, namely as the Khanid Kingdom. Various writings (here and here) serve to substantiate this statement. They're like the Intaki Syndicate - though they historically originate from one of the four playable Empires, they're wholly independent and self-governing factions. What is established in game however is that the Khanid have created several Tech II class ships. This meshes nicely with the description of the Royal Khanid Navy: "The RKN is not big, but much more hi-tech than that of their cousins the Amarrians.". Personally, I would like to see a (Tech II) "Dark Amarrian" Battleship one day. I would theorize that changes to the Amarr Black Ops Battleship could realize this, but I don't propose any specifics. Khanid Innovation have made the khanid ships, this act forces every other khanid ship to be a tech II amarr ship. You don't whine that there should be Tech 1 Duvolle Lab galante ships, or Duvolle Lab faction ships do you? or a Boundless Creations faction line? In the game system khanid is simply a ship producer with some fluff surrounding it, anything else is ccp's fault Support the introduction of well thought out Amarr solutions! I believe rats should avoid you if you have high standing with them.

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