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Tiger Delivery
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.06.13 18:36:00 -
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Intolerable. |
asjdkajskdjak
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Posted - 2008.06.13 18:39:00 -
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Wow, I didn't expect this when I voted for Jade, he doesn't desrve a second chance, which, he clearly forfeited with the replies in this thread. He is a child that tries to ignore anything he doesn't like.
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Atama Cardel
Even-Flow
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Posted - 2008.06.13 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Grismar If anything, this thread proves we -need- voting against a proposition. I'm sure Jade has quite a few supporters who are frustrated they can't outvote the Goons here.
Fly well and have fun, Grismar.
If you would bother to read the thread you would see
A) It's not just goons that want to oust Jade B) There are far more people posting in support than there are posting against it anyway |
Moctobot
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.13 19:33:00 -
[364]
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Alexi Kalashnikov
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.13 20:09:00 -
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Hearing Jade say the chairman should step down and hold a vote among the council and then watching him retain the position after this was just too shifty in my opinion.
At the same time, we need to have the CSM actually tackling issues. It's obvious there is contention between Jade and members of the council therefore it would be due diligence to step down and hold a vote so that the valuable work the CSM can accomplish can be just that, accomplished. If Jade is re-elected, then 100%: go with it. If not, then hopefully the next chairman can hold the thing together.
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Galston
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Posted - 2008.06.13 20:24:00 -
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It has become clear that Jade Constantine has no intention to use his position as chair to do anything other than further his self-delusions of grandeur.
I think the CSM is an important step in bringing player feedback to CCP and I don't want to see it ruined. Support |
Jita Johnny
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Posted - 2008.06.13 20:26:00 -
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no brainer here, since jade simply made up all these powers the chair has in order to steal control of the council |
Elenath
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.06.13 20:32:00 -
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I won't say Jade should be removed, but I will admit that I am a little nervous about his being lead CSM after reading some valid posts regarding his past.
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Cippalippus Primus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.13 20:41:00 -
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yup jade needs to go home |
Jackal79
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Posted - 2008.06.13 20:50:00 -
[370]
Yeah, Jade needs to go. |
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Darwin's Market
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Posted - 2008.06.13 20:52:00 -
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I have to agree with everyone else on this matter, even the talk in my NPC corp chat is one of shock and anger. This little Napoleon needs to have nothing to do with Eve. |
Sally Hemmings
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Posted - 2008.06.13 20:52:00 -
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Impretinent
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:19:00 -
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I agree.
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Machingo
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.13 21:24:00 -
[374]
Agreed.
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Lazy Grunt
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.13 22:18:00 -
[375]
Supporting dis
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Keiran Brie
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:10:00 -
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Hori To
NorCorp Security eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.06.13 23:45:00 -
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Jade is doing a good job, and so is the rest of the CSM judging by that last meeting, some confusion, friction etc was bound to happen in the start.
And if Jade gets removed by this thread, wouldn't that kinda, invalidate the election? Not too familiar with the finer workings of politics, but voting time is where the peons get to voice their opinion?
From the OP 1. Calls upon the CSM to undertake an immediate vote for the removal of Jade Constantine from Chair;
Can the CSM do that? |
Vadinho
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.14 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rudy Giuliani Showing support for this topic, Jade is an embarrassment.
Hear, hear.
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Nynaeve Ares
Animus Incarnate
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Posted - 2008.06.14 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Hori To
And if Jade gets removed by this thread, wouldn't that kinda, invalidate the election? Not too familiar with the finer workings of politics, but voting time is where the peons get to voice their opinion?
People were voting for CSM representatives not CSM chair.
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JafoPBCFR
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Posted - 2008.06.14 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: JafoPBCFR on 14/06/2008 00:34:55
Originally by: Hori To Jade is doing a good job, and so is the rest of the CSM judging by that last meeting, some confusion, friction etc was bound to happen in the start.
And if Jade gets removed by this thread, wouldn't that kinda, invalidate the election? Not too familiar with the finer workings of politics, but voting time is where the peons get to voice their opinion?
From the OP 1. Calls upon the CSM to undertake an immediate vote for the removal of Jade Constantine from Chair;
Can the CSM do that?
How would it invalidate the Election? Op is asking for a Vote to remove him from the chair. And WE the Constituants agree or disagree. Not asking for a removal from the CSM.
It boils down to this. He muted and in doing so denied a CSM to vote. intentional or stupidity of how the channel moderation worked He still did it.
The CSM in question had asked jade not to editorialize (SP) and was told they were being disruptive. sort of a how dare you deny my autority to do as i plse.
When a CSM asked why they were being warned rather then explain how it was a disruption. And Muted when the call from the floor was made to explain the disruption. Again the HOW DARE YOU question my authority.
had he comein said yes i was wrong and i shall conduct myself in a more professional manner and applogized to the CSM. this would have blown over.
Alas he didnt and has let this blow way way beyond repair. On top of all that he insults his constituancy even more by calling them nonfactors as they are all goons and goonswarm.
Which many infact are not. Myself included.
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Ergo Ghost
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.14 00:41:00 -
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Jade: Even if everyone agreed with you 100% on the issues, you'd still be a bad chair because you're trying to give the chair too much power. Imagine someone really horrible becomes your successor. A democratic council of equals would thwart their attempted reign of terror. This borderline dictatorship you're setting up, where the chair chooses who can speak & what issues may be raised, is only going to enable it. Your continued power grabs show either that you completely lack foresight or that you're purposely trying to harm the CSM's long term viability. Whichever it is, you shouldn't be chair.
Also I'm surprised so many goons have signed this thread, given that with their numbers they're the most likely to be able to win the chair in the next elections & benefit from all of the extraordinary powers Jade's trying to give the position. Are you guys just too ADD to wait 6 months or are you all secretly gigantic fans of democracy & supporters of the little guy?
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John Son
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Posted - 2008.06.14 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: John Son on 14/06/2008 01:00:25 In a normal parliamentary body, the chair is generally a non-voting position. The CSM was set up with more of a chair-lite where the chairperson's sole additional responsibility over a normal representative is to draw up the agenda for meetings, but still retains voting rights. Jade's blatant disregard for this original intention is reason enough to request removal.
Supported.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.06.14 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Hori To Jade is doing a good job, and so is the rest of the CSM judging by that last meeting, some confusion, friction etc was bound to happen in the start.
And if Jade gets removed by this thread, wouldn't that kinda, invalidate the election? Not too familiar with the finer workings of politics, but voting time is where the peons get to voice their opinion?
From the OP 1. Calls upon the CSM to undertake an immediate vote for the removal of Jade Constantine from Chair;
Can the CSM do that?
Simple answer is no.
I've said a couple of times in the course of this thread. Only way this could conceivably happen is:
1. A CSM rep decides to support and advocate this issue after its been in discussion for 7 days.
2. CSM rep puts it on the agenda for a meeting.
3. During the meeting it needs a 5/9 (4/7) votes to pass and become an ISSUE for the formal conference between CSM/CCP.
4. Supporting CSM would write it up as a submission document and we'd discuss the measure with the CCP council.
5. What happens then nobody really knows because we have no idea if CCP are happy to have the choice of the electorate overturned by a motion supported by a tiny fraction of the votes cast in the main election.
But its all a little academic since this thread hasn't received the 5% of the electorate vote required to force it onto the CSM meeting agenda, and it hasn't been supported and advocated by a CSM rep.
At the moment its like a protest thing from angry goons really thats becoming a bit pointless because literally everyone else has already gotten over it and moved on through a very productive meeting in mid-week and expectation of another one on sunday.
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
onymous
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.14 01:24:00 -
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absolutely. |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.06.14 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ergo Ghost Also I'm surprised so many goons have signed this thread, given that with their numbers they're the most likely to be able to win the chair in the next elections & benefit from all of the extraordinary powers Jade's trying to give the position. Are you guys just too ADD to wait 6 months or are you all secretly gigantic fans of democracy & supporters of the little guy?
I suspect we'll end up deciding to go for a rotating chair or even ask ccp to supply us with a ccp-provided non voting chair to do the admin to be honest. There is no advantage to having an empowered Chair in any way. This whole argument was about the definition of "moderation" and got compounded by a desire to finish completing issues in a time crunch.
Remove the time pressure and moderation stops being an issue because if meetings fail to get *absolutely everything* done - it won't matter so much.
Anyway contrary to the fears of the goons on this thread I'm really pretty relaxed about the role of chair in this csm progress. I'm happy to see it rotating, see moderation and admin duties shared, or whatever else can be agreed on.
Single best idea ANYONE has come up with in the last week was Saphrine who suggested putting the admin stuff at the end of the agenda not the begin. That solves so many problems its silly we didn't think of it in the first place!
CSM Manifesto 2008 | Destroy Outposts! |
atrabilious
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Posted - 2008.06.14 01:26:00 -
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+1. It needs to be replaced. |
myrmecophilous
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Posted - 2008.06.14 01:28:00 -
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/signed. |
Pelendava
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Posted - 2008.06.14 01:48:00 -
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Double Magpie
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.14 02:05:00 -
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Lucias Trask
Shadows of the Dead R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.06.14 02:16:00 -
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You suck, get a life,l gtfo [PANIC] |
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