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Anton Marvik
AnTi. Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: Anton Marvik on 09/06/2008 15:40:15 Edited by: Anton Marvik on 09/06/2008 15:36:58 The Random People of the Assembly Hall,
Recognising the Chairperson's responsibilities are crucial to the effectiveness of the CSM,
Noting Further these responsibilities include unbiased judgment, maturity, and professionalism,
Deeply disturbed by the actions of the current chair, Jade Constantine, in CSM Meeting Three and during the time since, including editorializing at the time of the meeting, muting an elected CSM representative who spoke out against said editorializing,
Further deploring Jade Constantine's failure to take responsibility for said failures as Chairperson, as well as his threatening of further immature and reprehensible actions,
Desiring a successful and effective CSM,
1. Calls upon the CSM to undertake an immediate vote for the removal of Jade Constantine from Chair;
2. Further invites the CSM to duly elect a new Chairperson;
3. Regrets the necessity of these actions;
4. Further reminds the CSM representatives that they are responsible to the entirety of the EVE playerbase to make the CSM a success;
5. Expresses its hope that the CSM will be more successful in the future.
Yeah. I have too much free time. Aside from the manner in which it is written I think it speaks for itself. The thread for CSM Meeting 3, with relevant Jadeisms, can be found here - http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=788122&page=5
If Jade can't take responsibility for her actions, there is no hope that she will avoid those actions in the future, especially as Jade has threatened to be even MORE childish in her future.
Originally by: Jade Constantine The lesson learned from that last meeting is for the Chair to be firmer, sooner, and take a much more vigorous hand in preventing unrecognized interruptions from the representatives
Tl;dr The Chair is CRUCIAL, there is limited time for the CSM to get their job done, Jade is a failure as the Chair, needs to be replaced ASAP.
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Anton Marvik
AnTi. Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:34:00 -
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Edited by: Anton Marvik on 09/06/2008 15:40:15 Edited by: Anton Marvik on 09/06/2008 15:36:58 The Random People of the Assembly Hall,
Recognising the Chairperson's responsibilities are crucial to the effectiveness of the CSM,
Noting Further these responsibilities include unbiased judgment, maturity, and professionalism,
Deeply disturbed by the actions of the current chair, Jade Constantine, in CSM Meeting Three and during the time since, including editorializing at the time of the meeting, muting an elected CSM representative who spoke out against said editorializing,
Further deploring Jade Constantine's failure to take responsibility for said failures as Chairperson, as well as his threatening of further immature and reprehensible actions,
Desiring a successful and effective CSM,
1. Calls upon the CSM to undertake an immediate vote for the removal of Jade Constantine from Chair;
2. Further invites the CSM to duly elect a new Chairperson;
3. Regrets the necessity of these actions;
4. Further reminds the CSM representatives that they are responsible to the entirety of the EVE playerbase to make the CSM a success;
5. Expresses its hope that the CSM will be more successful in the future.
Yeah. I have too much free time. Aside from the manner in which it is written I think it speaks for itself. The thread for CSM Meeting 3, with relevant Jadeisms, can be found here - http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=788122&page=5
If Jade can't take responsibility for her actions, there is no hope that she will avoid those actions in the future, especially as Jade has threatened to be even MORE childish in her future.
Originally by: Jade Constantine The lesson learned from that last meeting is for the Chair to be firmer, sooner, and take a much more vigorous hand in preventing unrecognized interruptions from the representatives
Tl;dr The Chair is CRUCIAL, there is limited time for the CSM to get their job done, Jade is a failure as the Chair, needs to be replaced ASAP.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:45:00 -
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Here's how you do it.
1. Get your CSM reps to pass the CSM electable chair issue to the constitution in Iceland. 2. Hold the election for chair and hope the CSM reps choose another chair. 3. result.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:45:00 -
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Here's how you do it.
1. Get your CSM reps to pass the CSM electable chair issue to the constitution in Iceland. 2. Hold the election for chair and hope the CSM reps choose another chair. 3. result.
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Anton Marvik
AnTi. Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Here's how you do it.
1. Get your CSM reps to pass the CSM electable chair issue to the constitution in Iceland. 2. Hold the election for chair and hope the CSM reps choose another chair. 3. result.
There is nothing indicating in the CSM constitution that if this resolution were to pass it would be invalid. Furthermore, there is nothing indicating in the CSM constitution that an amendment would be necessary to replace the Chairperson.
\o/ Legalese.
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Anton Marvik
AnTi. Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Here's how you do it.
1. Get your CSM reps to pass the CSM electable chair issue to the constitution in Iceland. 2. Hold the election for chair and hope the CSM reps choose another chair. 3. result.
There is nothing indicating in the CSM constitution that if this resolution were to pass it would be invalid. Furthermore, there is nothing indicating in the CSM constitution that an amendment would be necessary to replace the Chairperson.
\o/ Legalese.
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Viktor Amand
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:53:00 -
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i support this wholeheartedly
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Viktor Amand
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:53:00 -
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i support this wholeheartedly
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:55:00 -
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Quote: Yeah. I have too much free time.
No ****
Can we just wait a couple meetings before we act like world is going to end?
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Furb Killer
USC Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:55:00 -
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Quote: Yeah. I have too much free time.
No ****
Can we just wait a couple meetings before we act like world is going to end?
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.06.09 15:59:00 -
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Nah, removing Jade is as counterproductive as allowing the council to simply re-elect chair and members.
Whatever happens CCP will claim it was a success as part of their ham-handed philosophy of player content as king. ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:04:00 -
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I don't expect the CSM would vote Jade out because it would add a whole new layer of stressfulness to their positions if that kind of thing happenned. ---- Infiniband can do more than just prevent lag |
Vanessa Vale
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:05:00 -
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I have not read that thread but I have read the chat logs for the 3rd meeting. And as I progressed I went from blinking to, "this is ****" to literally being left speechless and with a gaping mouth. How can this person be chairman?
Also his behaviour towards Inanna Zuni (which I do not know or have had no contact) is a total shame. Along with Serenity Steele trailing along.
Appalling. And even more so when you realize this is real world behaviour and that has real life names attached to it.
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Pnuka
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:16:00 -
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The fact a goon wasn't muted or warned first is going to really open some eyes I think.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 09/06/2008 16:26:08
Originally by: Anton Marvik
There is nothing indicating in the CSM constitution that if this resolution were to pass it would be invalid. Furthermore, there is nothing indicating in the CSM constitution that an amendment would be necessary to replace the Chairperson.
\o/ Legalese.
I'll add to that by noting that there is no CSM Constitution. It's a word that was tossed out and made up at the last meeting. There is also nothing preventing a chairman from stepping down. As a matter of fact it may actually be explicitly written into the founding document with a vote for the new chairman as an obvious fallback. I do not have the document in front of me so the above may be partially inaccurate, but I find it a tad disingenuous that one would refer to the documentation in this instance when we can "fill in the blanks" when it comes to assigning one's self undefined powers.
In other words this is all possible today without a doubt. As a matter of fact that was also mentioned during yesterday's meeting.
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Theel Maas
Errant Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:36:00 -
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No. Vote differently next time.
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Drago Vanguard
Vanguard Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.09 16:40:00 -
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Theramin Dogon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Erotic Irony Nah, removing Jade is as counterproductive as allowing the council to simply re-elect chair and members.
Whatever happens CCP will claim it was a success as part of their ham-handed philosophy of player content as king.
Why would you have to re-elect anyone? Just give the person with the second-most votes (Hardin) the chair and give the first alternate a seat on the council. |
Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.06.09 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Theramin Dogon
Originally by: Erotic Irony Nah, removing Jade is as counterproductive as allowing the council to simply re-elect chair and members.
Whatever happens CCP will claim it was a success as part of their ham-handed philosophy of player content as king.
Why would you have to re-elect anyone? Just give the person with the second-most votes (Hardin) the chair and give the first alternate a seat on the council.
The re-elect idea was a Jade proposal that seems to be all the rage. v0v ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.06.09 17:55:00 -
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Frankly, all 'please remove the chair we don't like them' petitions should be tossed out on principle.
As long as there is a mechanism for the CSM itself to choose elect the chair of their choosing, it's silly to have endless petitions from aggrieved players to remove whoever happens to be chair at the moment.
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Allaria Kriss
Elipse Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.09 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan Frankly, all 'please remove the chair we don't like them' petitions should be tossed out on principle.
As long as there is a mechanism for the CSM itself to choose elect the chair of their choosing, it's silly to have endless petitions from aggrieved players to remove whoever happens to be chair at the moment.
There isn't one.
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Ethaet
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.06.09 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: Ethaet on 09/06/2008 18:28:47 After reading the chatlog, I support this. 'Warning' and then muting people for no reason is not right unless there is a valid reason.
I maybe just be paranoid, but anyone notice this was between two of the RPers on the CSM? Keep your RP sentiments out of the CSM. -------------------------------------------------------------- Seriously, we need some kind of separation between the post and signature. There you go. Now that wasn't so hard |
Baron Levian
Bloodveil BLOOD EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.06.09 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ethaet Edited by: Ethaet on 09/06/2008 18:28:47 After reading the chatlog, I support this. 'Warning' and then muting people for no reason is not right unless there is a valid reason.
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Inanna Zuni
The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.06.09 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Pnuka The fact a goon wasn't muted or warned first is going to really open some eyes I think.
One person has commented to me that they wondered whether that was because I have made it very clear I am not on the CSM as a representative of my corp / alliance and so wouldn't wardec Jade's lot.
"You might say that, I couldn't possibly comment" is all I can say.
IZ
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Inanna Zuni
One person has commented to me that they wondered whether that was because I have made it very clear I am not on the CSM as a representative of my corp / alliance and so wouldn't wardec Jade's lot.
"You might say that, I couldn't possibly comment" is all I can say.
Whist I personally think Jade was incorrect for a number of reason to mute you I would like to take this particular opportunity to ask you to leave that area well alone. If the Goons or any other alliance/corp represented on the CSM decided to war dec Star Fraction for a slight on the CSM I would expect most of the allaince would do two things. First laugh at people not being able to keep out of game activites out of game and secondly cheers for a free war. And whilst you may wish to quote a certain 80's TV show in regards to your opinion on this subject it is quite clear what you are implying by bringing it up.
Furtheremore I personally feel that the ones at fault is mostly CCP for not providing the CSM will more structure before deploying it as I think most of the arguements, diagrements and time wasting of the last couple of weeks can clearly be placed at thier door for the lack of support in creating this council in regards to the procedural side of the CSM. If there had have been more of it in place the CSM could have got on with representing the people who voted for them straight out the gate rather than it having to spend all this time bickering about simple matter of internal policy.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Heartstone Furtheremore I personally feel that the ones at fault is mostly CCP for not providing the CSM will more structure before deploying it as I think most of the arguements, ...
They are not at fault, they are to be _thanked_ for not providing said structure. We're here for the entertainment, not to watch boring meetings about PG boosting the Nyx.
Oh, and a thumbs up for removing Jade from the chair contrary to my vote at the election. For the entertainment value. ^_^
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lecrotta
lecrotta Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:34:00 -
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Establish a rule of law and a code of behavior before removing anybody.
NOT supported.
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Christy Walton
Bloodveil
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Posted - 2008.06.09 19:53:00 -
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Remove him and maybe we could start to see CSM with better eyes.
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Teh Doylan
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:23:00 -
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.09 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Inanna Zuni
Originally by: Pnuka The fact a goon wasn't muted or warned first is going to really open some eyes I think.
One person has commented to me that they wondered whether that was because I have made it very clear I am not on the CSM as a representative of my corp / alliance and so wouldn't wardec Jade's lot.
"You might say that, I couldn't possibly comment" is all I can say.
IZ
Yeah you are having a laugh to be honest. To say we'd welcome a wardec from the silly goons would be understating the case. There is no force in this game scares us in Empire Wars Inanna. So cut the silly insinuations - it makes you look foolish.
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