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UnitedStatesOfAmerica GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.15 23:01:00 - [481] If Jade is willing to mute a CSM rep, then how long till he tries to mute the people?
Dippin Dots	Posted - 2008.06.15 23:54:00 - [482] Originally by: UnitedStatesOfAmerica If Jade is willing to mute a CSM rep, then how long till he tries to mute the people? That has already happened. They're representatives that don't actually represent us. The issues of greatest concern to the players are not the ones being put forth for discussion.
Eveliddia The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.16 00:19:00 - [483] Edited by: Eveliddia on 16/06/2008 00:19:41 It is clear that some people just have no idea who and what Jade is about.
SOFcode X0345	Posted - 2008.06.16 03:29:00 - [484] Remove him.
Willford Bremly Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.06.16 04:54:00 - [485] It is too creepy. It should not have a seat in the CSM. »\(¦_o)/»
Goumindong Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.16 06:14:00 - [486] Originally by: Qaedienne I'm not aware of anyone (other than yourself) claiming that there is a conspiracy going on in the council. Have you even read these threads? Its Jade Constantine who has claimed a Goon Conspiracy. http://www.eve-search.com/thread/792898/page/2#48 Also, I am not claiming there is a conspiracy. Malfeasance by a single member is not a conspiracy. Originally by: Qaedienne You mean this?: Yes, you will note I said "it started" because that was what kicked it off. Since all parties involved were content to deal with it the next time the conflict was delayed. Then Hardin brought the motion to ensure that it would not happen again,then Jade had a hissy fit when the vote didn't go her way. Quote: She had also restated the proposal earlier in the conversation in the exact way you claim is editorialized, and no one objected: Inanna Zunni did. Hardin and Inanna had earlier. Regarding the "badgering" you must just be reading this selectively go Here for the logs and Inannas objection. Quote: Jade muted Inanna for disrupting a vote. This was something that was voted on in the first meeting, and it is right for her to do this. No it was not. Please post the full logs that show this(i say this with full knowledge that the logs show only a vote that not everyone gets channel op which has no explicit or implicit meaning that anyone does have authority to use them at their digression or even that anyone at all had them specifically. Quote: Are strawmen really that dangerous to Goonswarm? I am sorry is that not what is being alleged? Originally by: Qaedienne According to Darius, he only represents Goonswarm interests on the council. You guys had better get your stories straight. No, the only one who has done that is Jade Constantine. Though it seems he has edited the posts on Eve-O that show it. http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=13084.msg454559#msg454559 Originally by: Qaedienne The Euros were up past midnight already. He didn't demand anything regarding the U.S. CSM's, he simply scheduled the meeting. He explained why the meeting had to be held on Thursday, also (submission deadline). He also scheduled a second meeting for Sunday so that all could attend. The second meeting had nothing to do with the first. No one was asking that he schedule the meeting on a date after the deadline. The Euros were not up past midnight, the GMT time for the meeting was 20:00. Or 8PM Quote: Dissent can be justified. Do you feel like you have done this? Do you feel like most of the things you have accused Jade of can even be justified? Absolutely. And we have presented our case far and wide. You have not presented a rebuttal. Do so if you think it is not justified. Quote: Scheduling meetings is mundane. Your claim that there's some malfeasance going on regarding this has been proven baseless, but you persist in your accusation. Saying "nuh uh" without argument or evidence is not "proven baseless"
Wat4shi	Posted - 2008.06.16 07:11:00 - [487] It seems to me, any reasonable person can see what Jade has done. The fact that Jade believes they are not wrong and threatens/promise stronger moderation, is a valid reason to remove them from chair. Honestly, I think the CSM would be a lot better as a 'think tank' then this council crap. Where they would have their own forums and be in some dark corner and try to squeeze out a gem to improve Eve.
Davor Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.16 07:41:00 - [488] IMO Jade has shown she is grossly under qualified to be in any position of authority, let alone CSM Chairperson. I support this idea, get him out as soon as possible.
Waterfowl Democracy The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.16 08:44:00 - [489] Originally by: Qaedienne Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Originally by: Qaedienne According to Darius, he only represents Goonswarm interests on the council. You guys had better get your stories straight. I will welcome you to provide the quote of me saying this alt. Hmm, can't find the post so I'll retract it for now. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=759968&page=11#322 Am I doing this right?
D'Avore Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.16 10:22:00 - [490] I support this motion. The council as a whole needs to move on from all these administrative issues and start finding solutions to ingame problems. You guys should start putting your heads together and give CCP solutions that are acceptable from all your different perspectives. Remember that you are a advisory council - your role isn't to give ccp a list of problems, but some way of resolving them. I don't believe this council can do something useful in it's current forum. [/rant]

KaiH GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.16 12:42:00 - [491] supported, because I like fun
Zylvana Sunstrider	Posted - 2008.06.16 12:44:00 - [492] It ends here
Qaedienne	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:11:00 - [493] Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy Am I doing this right? Trolling? Yes, you are doing it right.
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.06.16 13:40:00 - [494] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 16/06/2008 13:41:10 wall of text = the need to overshout others = muting others to make sure you're the one being heard/in control This is news how?
Block Ukx KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:25:00 - [495] IÆm disappointed with the CSM chairmanÆs behavior after reading the minutes. Jade, it is time to step down from the chairman position. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Zaran Darkstar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.16 16:42:00 - [496] I haven't vote for Jade. But what is that you all guys have against Jade? What is the real reason behind your hate? What were the specific cases were Jade failed? Commends like "Jade sucks, need to be removed" tell me that it is you who suck. So stay cool and express your legitimate serious reasons that make you wish Jade to be removed. I am waiting.... Till i hread some serious reasoning the idea is UNSUPPORTED.
willschn794	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:35:00 - [497] Originally by: Zaran Darkstar I haven't vote for Jade. But what is that you all guys have against Jade? What is the real reason behind your hate? What were the specific cases were Jade failed? Commends like "Jade sucks, need to be removed" tell me that it is you who suck. So stay cool and express your legitimate serious reasons that make you wish Jade to be removed. I am waiting.... Till i hread some serious reasoning the idea is UNSUPPORTED. Perhaps you should start by reading this thread? Everything's here.
Zaran Darkstar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.16 18:14:00 - [498] Edited by: Zaran Darkstar on 16/06/2008 18:15:40 Originally by: willschn794 Originally by: Zaran Darkstar I haven't vote for Jade. But what is that you all guys have against Jade? What is the real reason behind your hate? What were the specific cases were Jade failed? Commends like "Jade sucks, need to be removed" tell me that it is you who suck. So stay cool and express your legitimate serious reasons that make you wish Jade to be removed. I am waiting.... Till i hread some serious reasoning the idea is UNSUPPORTED. Perhaps you should start by reading this thread? Everything's here. The OP says nothing. Am i supposed to dig a 17 page full of mostly generic negative comments against Jade to discover a small part of the truth behind this hate movement against him especially when the OP says nothing specific? How about some of you that also voted positivly make a summary about it? What the hell you vote for it! I am sure you must have an idea WHY you did it. PS And why are you people using alts and not your mains? Afraid of anything?
Goumindong Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.16 18:22:00 - [499] Edited by: Goumindong on 16/06/2008 18:25:23 Because Jade Constantine overstepped his authority, denigrated the other members of the council, used the chair as a bully pulpit, and accepts no fault or responsibility for what happened. Seriously, read the thread. ed: What do you mean the OP says nothing, are you sure you are reading it? Originally by: The OP Deeply disturbed by the actions of the current chair, Jade Constantine, in CSM Meeting Three and during the time since, including editorializing at the time of the meeting, and muting an elected CSM representative who spoke out against said editorializing, Further deploring Jade Constantine's failure to take responsibility for said failures as Chairperson, as well as his threatening of further immature and reprehensible actions, Originally by: The OP Yeah. I have too much free time. Aside from the manner in which it is written I think it speaks for itself. The thread for CSM Meeting 3, with relevant Jadeisms, can be found here - http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=788122&page=5 If Jade can't take responsibility for her actions, there is no hope that she will avoid those actions in the future, especially as Jade has threatened to be even MORE childish in her future.
Parsival The Avalon Foundation Delta.Green	Posted - 2008.06.16 19:05:00 - [500] Its rampant ego is costing the CSM credibility while it remains in the position of Chairperson.

Romale Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.06.16 19:27:00 - [501] Compleatly childish theres no room for people like that
Maitsu GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.16 19:48:00 - [502] Originally by: Block Ukx IÆm disappointed with the CSM chairmanÆs behavior after reading the minutes. Jade, it is time to step down from the chairman position. Even FIX agrees and they have many more reasons to hate goons than you.
Impact Crater	Posted - 2008.06.16 19:49:00 - [503] Supporting.
Chococacho	Posted - 2008.06.16 21:13:00 - [504] Tired of reading her/him/its posts
Zaran Darkstar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.17 00:29:00 - [505] Originally by: Goumindong ... I think this vendeta has gone a bit too far. It seemed to me that Jade was unfamiliar with the controls of muting/unmuting, perhaps the next meeting should be done using another way. IRC etc... As for the issues he proposed. Maybe these are not the most popular matters but most of them are valid ideas. There is so much space for small and big improvments to this game that no matter where you start its for the best or mostly for the best . Perhaps Jade is not puting the stuff you would like but eventually his time will be over and then some other will take over. In the meantime i say it again i don't think the issues he puts for voting are so bad. Maybe not the most popular but they do aim to improve things. As for his behavior i can't be certain if he overeacted. The logs can tell you only so much... Discipline is needed to a discussion... In any case i would say let him be judged in the end or at least after some more council assemblings. Hopefully he will get the hang of it and become better. Bottom line is "Let's give the guy a chance to get better"
Katyayani Koriau Auto De Fe	Posted - 2008.06.17 01:00:00 - [506] Jade should be removed and banned. mooting another mayor was a crime.
Qaedienne	Posted - 2008.06.17 01:08:00 - [507] Most of her detractors were already moot.
Goumindong Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.17 01:47:00 - [508] Originally by: Zaran Darkstar I think this vendeta has gone a bit too far. What vendetta? For the rest of it, you still haven't read the thread. We've been over all of that multiple times.
Erfurt VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.06.17 01:48:00 - [509] "Far better it is to dare mighty things, than to take rank with those poor, timid spirits who know neither victory nor defeat."
Vanessa Vale	Posted - 2008.06.17 03:36:00 - [510] Originally by: Evita Achura Originally by: Jade Constantine Negative. Basically its part of our job to ignore the people who vote. 200 people who don't like me are worthless. Sorry to disappoint you but threads exposing my complete and utterly contemptible corruption simply mean nothing when you compare it to aggression timers not going away... Thats why no post like this will be advocated in good faith by a CSM delegate. A) it brings nothing to the game, and B) it would be embarrassing the CSM delegate to bring such a motion and have it voted down on the public record wasting time better alloted for decent issues. Fixed. Fixed? That's amusing. I swear that's what Jade has been saying all along... Minmatar Boost Brigade



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