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Tabouli
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.14 02:22:00 -
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Atama Cardel
Even-Flow
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Posted - 2008.06.14 02:29:00 -
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Jade, just out of curiosity, whatever happened to you stepping down from chair and letting the CSM vote someone in, like you said you would do at the very start?
And don't try to feign ignorance when you "accidentally" miss this post like you are bound to do
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Talen Rass
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Posted - 2008.06.14 03:00:00 -
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Kitoba
Legion of Dynamic Discord
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Posted - 2008.06.14 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Hori To
From the OP 1. Calls upon the CSM to undertake an immediate vote for the removal of Jade Constantine from Chair;
Can the CSM do that?
Simple answer is no.
I've said a couple of times in the course of this thread. Only way this could conceivably happen is:
1. A CSM rep decides to support and advocate this issue after its been in discussion for 7 days.
2. CSM rep puts it on the agenda for a meeting.
3. During the meeting it needs a 5/9 (4/7) votes to pass and become an ISSUE for the formal conference between CSM/CCP.
4. Supporting CSM would write it up as a submission document and we'd discuss the measure with the CCP council.
5. What happens then nobody really knows because we have no idea if CCP are happy to have the choice of the electorate overturned by a motion supported by a tiny fraction of the votes cast in the main election.
But its all a little academic since this thread hasn't received the 5% of the electorate vote required to force it onto the CSM meeting agenda, and it hasn't been supported and advocated by a CSM rep.
At the moment its like a protest thing from angry goons really thats becoming a bit pointless because literally everyone else has already gotten over it and moved on through a very productive meeting in mid-week and expectation of another one on sunday.
Sorry to have to say this (that was a flat lie), but you're either dead wrong, or deploying a smoke screen. Quoting:
"By default, the Representative with the highest vote tally is awarded with the responsibilities of Chairman for the CSM."
Notice the "default". That means that the representative with the most votes is chairman if, and only if, the chairman isn't selected in a different way. That's what it says. Not more, and not less. Practically, that means that a motion of no confidence against you is useless, as you'd still be chairman. A vote of confidence for another member does make sense, though. In fact, I'm wondering why it didn't already happen, considering all that mud throwing around here.
Thank you all for informing yourselves before posting. I'm proud of you. Don't interpret things into the space between the lines, you'll miss your freedom.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.06.14 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kitoba In fact, I'm wondering why it didn't already happen, considering all that mud throwing around here.
The reason it didn't happen the same reason Darius and Bane are running the goonswarm rather than being plebs inside goonswarm. They are smart enough to see that wasting the CSM's time with stupid little power plays will reflect badly on them.
At the end of the day our reputations as CSM reps depend on getting the job done and promoting issues to the attention of ccp.
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Aprudena Gist
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.14 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Kitoba In fact, I'm wondering why it didn't already happen, considering all that mud throwing around here.
The reason it didn't happen the same reason Darius and Bane are running the goonswarm rather than being plebs inside goonswarm. They are smart enough to see that wasting the CSM's time with stupid little power plays will reflect badly on them.
At the end of the day our reputations as CSM reps depend on getting the job done and promoting issues to the attention of ccp.
Says the idiot who started all the ******** power play crap just get out.
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Parid
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.06.14 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
The reason it didn't happen the same reason Darius and Bane are running the goonswarm rather than being plebs inside goonswarm. They are smart enough to see that wasting the CSM's time with stupid little power plays will reflect badly on them.
At the end of the day our reputations as CSM reps depend on getting the job done and promoting issues to the attention of ccp.
Bane is a pleb. FYI
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Kitoba
Legion of Dynamic Discord
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Posted - 2008.06.14 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Kitoba In fact, I'm wondering why it didn't already happen, considering all that mud throwing around here.
The reason it didn't happen the same reason Darius and Bane are running the goonswarm rather than being plebs inside goonswarm. They are smart enough to see that wasting the CSM's time with stupid little power plays will reflect badly on them.
At the end of the day our reputations as CSM reps depend on getting the job done and promoting issues to the attention of ccp.
I am deeply moved by your expression of respect for your fellow council members and your ability to distract from topics. I can't see how the election of a chairman could possibly distract the council more than this very debate.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.06.14 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Aprudena Gist
Says the idiot who started all the ******** power play crap just get out.
You sound a little bit stressed. Maybe have a cup of tea and play some internet spaceships rather than student politics?
Seriously its not the end of the world that you don't get your way on this. Pace yourself, maybe I'll get indicted by the international war crimes tribunal for internet posting or perhaps you could open a class action suit and try to have me deported to texas or something?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.06.14 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kitoba I can't see how the election of a chairman could possibly distract the council more than this very debate.
This isn't a debate its a threadnaught.
(and a little light entertainment)
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Waterfowl Democracy
The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.14 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine This isn't a debate its a threadnaught.
(and a little light entertainment)
Actually this thread isn't a threadnaught. It's a thread with the sole purpose of removing someone so obviously unsuitable from their position. It's what the Assembly Hall was designed for, showing support for issues that concern the players of this game.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.06.14 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy It's what the Assembly Hall was designed for, showing support for issues that concern the players of this game.
Well technically its designed for showing support for Issues that concern ALL players of the game.
Whereas this is a petty little vendetta that only concerns bitter little fruits and their alts and cheerleaders. So far this thread has less support than Goum got in the election. Its not exactly a sterling triumphant beginning for your crusade and its actually alienated more people than its convinced.
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Gorfob
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.14 04:04:00 -
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Edited by: Gorfob on 14/06/2008 04:05:20
Originally by: Jade Constantine 66 :words:
If you pulled your thumb our of your arse for a few seconds, you would realise that there are more than a few non goons telling you that you are a raging idiot and to get out.
EDIT: Word count.
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Kuzya Morozov
L8L8L8
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Posted - 2008.06.14 04:07:00 -
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Yep, and all his replies in this thread are pretty childish, he's made it clear he should be off CSM, as soon as possible.
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Anthony Pants
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Posted - 2008.06.14 04:09:00 -
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Edited by: Anthony Pants on 14/06/2008 04:09:36
Originally by: Jade Constantine The reason it didn't happen the same reason Darius and Bane are running the goonswarm rather than being plebs inside goonswarm. They are smart enough to see that wasting the CSM's time with stupid little power plays will reflect badly on them.
You're assuming that Bane and Darius have rallied GoonSwarm to tell you that you're wrong? You have no idea how we work. Besides, have you seen RA or TCF or any of our major allies appear in these threads? Hell, I've hardly seen BoB in here. They don't seem to care, and it's no business of ours to pressure anyone else into voting. We like to call it "democracy", but that word has a different meaning when you use it.
Originally by: Jade Constantine Well technically its designed for showing support for Issues that concern ALL players of the game.
Guess what? This includes goons. Stop acting like it doesn't. |
Kitoba
Legion of Dynamic Discord
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Posted - 2008.06.14 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
This isn't a debate its a threadnaught.
(and a little light entertainment)
If you prefer to call it such, I'll go with you:
I can't see how the election of a chairman could possibly distract the council more than this very threadnaught.
In what way did I change the meaning? I think you've proven my point.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.06.14 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kitoba I can't see how the election of a chairman could possibly distract the council more than this very threadnaught. In what way did I change the meaning? I think you've proven my point.
Distract who? I've done all my template writing up for the weekend - meeting agenda set, documents submitted to iceland etc etc. This thread is just another goon threadnaught - why should anybody care?
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Darius JOHNSON
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Posted - 2008.06.14 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
The reason it didn't happen the same reason Darius and Bane are running the goonswarm rather than being plebs inside goonswarm. They are smart enough to see that wasting the CSM's time with stupid little power plays will reflect badly on them.
Actually the chair rejected my motion then changed its tune and started behaving more like a council member and less like a dictator. You keep using terms like "power plays" and "political points". I have nothing to gain from either.
Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
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Kitoba
Legion of Dynamic Discord
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Posted - 2008.06.14 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Distract who? I've done all my template writing up for the weekend - meeting agenda set, documents submitted to iceland etc etc. This thread is just another goon threadnaught - why should anybody care?
Indeed, why do you? I guess the rest cares about why you care.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.06.14 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Actually the chair rejected my motion then changed its tune and started behaving more like a council member and less like a dictator. You keep using terms like "power plays" and "political points". I have nothing to gain from either.
If you want the motion Darius I told you all you had to do was support this thread and add it to the agenda as an Issue. Its pretty simple.
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Darius JOHNSON
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Posted - 2008.06.14 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Actually the chair rejected my motion then changed its tune and started behaving more like a council member and less like a dictator. You keep using terms like "power plays" and "political points". I have nothing to gain from either.
If you want the motion Darius I told you all you had to do was support this thread and add it to the agenda as an Issue. Its pretty simple.
I bolded the important part for you.
Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.06.14 04:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 14/06/2008 04:53:31
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Actually the chair rejected my motion
Quote: I told you all you had to do was support this thread and add it to the agenda as an Issue
Bolded AND underlined the important bits for you Darius.
Don't try and claim you were prevented from raising this if you had wanted to.
And do cut the "it" stuff out. It makes you look like a petulant child.
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Darius JOHNSON
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Posted - 2008.06.14 04:56:00 -
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Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 14/06/2008 04:59:07 Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 14/06/2008 04:58:19 Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 14/06/2008 04:57:20
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Bolded AND underlined the important bits for you Darius.
Don't try and claim you were prevented from raising this if you had wanted to.
Ok, I gave you the out and tried to act civilized about the matter. The fact is that you refused any motion that limited what you stated was your authority. You were then given a set of suggestions from CCP (You've already stated this in various threads. Another issue I was not trying to bring up)(After ignoring the very same suggestions from your fellow council members)and have followed them. Provided you're not being a **** I have no problem with you sitting as chair. Had you not changed your tone and changed your course from authoritarian to team member I would indeed be supporting this thread, which would be fairly irrelevant for the most part as all that this issue accomplishes is the creation of a conversation in Iceland. Is that clear enough for you now or shall I go on?
Of course I've already said this in various places, but you have a love for making me repeat myself.
:edit: "it" was referring to "the chair" as an object not a person. Calm down. You look like someone trying to play the martyr.
Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.06.14 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Ok, I gave you the out and tried to act civilized about the matter. The fact is that you refused any motion that limited what you stated was your authority.
Incorrect. I told you needed to compose an issue thread or support an existing issue thread to raise the point and it would be voted on as a discussion topic alongside all the rest.
Thats what I had to do with the "electable chair" issue. Thats what you would need to do with your issue.
I really don't understand why you are still spoiling for a fight on this Darius. We have come to a decent conclusion already as far as I understood. We had a very good meeting in the week and everyone has worked hard to meet our deadline.
I can only assume you feel obliged to play some macho goon patriarch role here and I have to tell you it doesn't impress me in the least. Grow up and get on with the job we were elected to do. Stop posturing and acting like an ass.
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Darius JOHNSON
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Posted - 2008.06.14 05:04:00 -
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I'd like to add in addition to that that simply because I see no need to support this particular action at this juncture that does not mean people cannot voice their opinions or concerns on the subject. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and beliefs. Even when they run counter to your own.
Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
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Anthony Pants
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Posted - 2008.06.14 05:07:00 -
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"You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot easier." "There ought to be limits to freedom." "I want everybody to hear loud and clear that I'm going to be the president of everybody." "Where things have gone wrong have been where I've made the mistake of allowing a little too much democracy and allowed them to impact the constitution itself."
One of these is from Jade Constantine, though I could understand how someone would attribute them all to the same person. |
Darius JOHNSON
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Posted - 2008.06.14 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON
Incorrect. I told you needed to compose an issue thread or support an existing issue thread to raise the point and it would be voted on as a discussion topic alongside all the rest.
Thats what I had to do with the "electable chair" issue. Thats what you would need to do with your issue.
I really don't understand why you are still spoiling for a fight on this Darius. We have come to a decent conclusion already as far as I understood. We had a very good meeting in the week and everyone has worked hard to meet our deadline.
I can only assume you feel obliged to play some macho goon patriarch role here and I have to tell you it doesn't impress me in the least. Grow up and get on with the job we were elected to do. Stop posturing and acting like an ass.
Who's spoiling for a fight? I was playing MGS4 and hauling minerals. You mentioned my name and responded. You were acting out of line, vetoed a perfectly valid vote because it didn't suit you, then proceeded to deny my two motions. Those motions were indeed denied by you. You did state that it should be raised as an issue and I didn't say that you did not.
I really don't care to impress you. Your opinion of me is entirely irrelevant to me. If you want me to not respond to you do not associate me by name in your opinion posts.
Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.06.14 05:08:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 14/06/2008 05:14:06 Edited by: Jade Constantine on 14/06/2008 05:10:32
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I'd like to add in addition to that that simply because I see no need to support this particular action at this juncture that does not mean people cannot voice their opinions or concerns on the subject. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and beliefs. Even when they run counter to your own.
I was just correcting your false statement Darius. You claimed I blocked your motion. I simply told you how to do it properly within the agreed procedure for raising issues.
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON ... deny my two motions. Those motions were indeed denied by you. You did state that it should be raised as an issue and I didn't say that you did not.
I think the problem here Darius is you what you're describing that I "blocked" or "denied" you when what I actually did is tell you how it could be done properly within the rules of the CSM process. I know its frustrating you can't get exactly what you want when you want it but we do have some rules for the submission of issues that the rest of us have to follow.
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I really don't care to impress you. Your opinion of me is entirely irrelevant to me. If you want me to not respond to you do not associate me by name in your opinion posts.
I don't care if you respond or not Darius - thats up to you. But if you come and post an untrue statement I'll feel free to correct you on it.
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Darius JOHNSON
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Posted - 2008.06.14 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
I was just correcting your false statement Darius. You claimed I blocked your motion. I simply told you how to do it properly within the agreed procedure for raising issues.
Correction: You stated your interpretation of how to do it properly within your personal opinion on what the agreed procedure for raising issues was. The fact is that a procedure to remove the chair wasn't documented. Nor was the ability for the chair to veto votes and mute dissenting opinions in the council. We can run around in circles playing games with interpretations all night. I'd moved on.
Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
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Vanessa Vale
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Posted - 2008.06.14 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Whereas this is a petty little vendetta that only concerns bitter little fruits and their alts and cheerleaders. So far this thread has less support than Goum got in the election.
Someone with good writing skills should send a little article about the last meeting plus this thread to a few select gaming oriented sites.
See how this "petty" thing goes on. You are a bloody disgrace.
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