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Kitoba Legion of Dynamic Discord	Posted - 2008.06.14 05:16:00 - [421] Originally by: Jade Constantine We had a very good meeting in the week and everyone has worked hard to meet our deadline. Btw: Wasn't there a meeting after the 06-08 one? Where's the transcript? I don't want to miss the lulz.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.14 05:18:00 - [422] Originally by: Vanessa Vale Someone with good writing skills should send a little article about the last meeting plus this thread to a few select gaming oriented sites. See how this "petty" thing goes on. You are a bloody disgrace. What aren't you understanding here? Darius and I hate each others guts. He has no respect for my experience in this game, I have no respect for his. You should count yourself lucky we're even talking. Seriously, I'm happy to interact within the parameters we've been set by CCP but if Darius tries coming on with this rubbish in public I'm going to challenge him on it - every time. I wasn't elected to roll over for the goons. Get used to it. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.06.14 05:20:00 - [423] Originally by: Jade Constantine What aren't you understanding here? Darius and I hate each others guts. He has no respect for my experience in this game, I have no respect for his. You should count yourself lucky we're even talking. Seriously, I'm happy to interact within the parameters we've been set by CCP but if Darius tries coming on with this rubbish in public I'm going to challenge him on it - every time. I wasn't elected to roll over for the goons. Get used to it. I posted here in response to your post here mentioning me by name. It's right here in this thread. You can try and reframe it like I was simply prancing around in this thread "coming on with this rubbish in public" but the fact of the matter is I had moved on and was playing videogames. I already said that too though. Do you even read what anyone else writes? Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
Kitoba Legion of Dynamic Discord	Posted - 2008.06.14 05:24:00 - [424] Originally by: Jade Constantine Darius and I hate each others guts. He has no respect for my experience in this game, I have no respect for his. Please use that in your next electoral campaign. It surely will get you elected.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.14 05:25:00 - [425] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 14/06/2008 05:26:00 Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I posted here in response to your post here mentioning me by name. It's right here in this thread. Yep thats right I had stated that you were too smart to be seen wasting everyone's time with a crappy motion like this. I'm happy to take it back. Obviously you aren't that smart after all. If you had "moved on" then why provoke this argument by claiming I blocked your motions when what I actually did was explain to you the process of how the Issues had to be raised? Seriously Darius. You need to chill and bow out of this stupid thread. Its not helping your good judgment to be forced to perform for the goon chorus. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Kitoba Legion of Dynamic Discord	Posted - 2008.06.14 05:29:00 - [426] Edited by: Kitoba on 14/06/2008 05:30:15 Originally by: Jade Constantine Yep thats right I had stated that you were too smart to be seen wasting everyone's time with a crappy motion like this. You fail in clarity: Did you mean to write "Darius is a moron if he supports this motion", by any chance? Edit: English should be used idiomatically for all I know.
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.06.14 05:31:00 - [427] Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 14/06/2008 05:32:45 Originally by: Jade Constantine Yep thats right I had stated that you were too smart to be seen wasting everyone's time with a crappy motion like this. I'm happy to take it back. Obviously you aren't that smart after all. If you had "moved on" then why provoke this argument by claiming I blocked your motions when what I actually did was explain to you the process of how the Issues had to be raised? Seriously Darius. You need to chill and bow out of this stupid thread. Its not helping your good judgment to be forced to perform for the goon chorus. Take it back v0v I honestly don't care. You did block my motions. Interpreting the validity of motions wasn't any more in your purview than vetoing votes. If you want me to not respond to you then don't editorialize what I say. I'd be happy to post the emails to allow them to speak for themselves but I fear you would take umbrage with that and the vote to do so has not yet been had. How I can "provoke" an argument by clarifying what YOU STATED was MY position is beyond me. I think I'm certainly capable of speaking for myself. I certainly didn't nominate you as my spokesperson. While I appreciate your concern about my judgement it's neither asked for nor necessary. Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
Tress Macneille Eight year old girls GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 05:32:00 - [428] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 14/06/2008 05:26:00 Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I posted here in response to your post here mentioning me by name. It's right here in this thread. Yep thats right I had stated that you were too smart to be seen wasting everyone's time with a crappy motion like this. I'm happy to take it back. Obviously you aren't that smart after all. If you had "moved on" then why provoke this argument by claiming I blocked your motions when what I actually did was explain to you the process of how the Issues had to be raised? Seriously Darius. You need to chill and bow out of this stupid thread. Its not helping your good judgment to be forced to perform for the goon chorus. ITT Jade Constantine calls somebody out for wasting time, not knowing when he's dug himself into an in-escapable hole, and making stupid threads. CATS AND DOGS ARE LIVING TOGETHER, BRIMSTONE IS RAINING FROM THE SKY
Tress Macneille Eight year old girls GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 05:34:00 - [429] Also Jade isn't most of your experience in eve composed of writing awful fan fiction while docked in high sec wishing there was somway to wall of text cva out of existence.
Tress Macneille Eight year old girls GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 05:36:00 - [430] I mean remember that f13 thread where you were out argued so seriously on the topic of eve by a guy half your age who has never actually played eve that you threw a temper tantrum and edited away all of your posts? Not the most sterling resume

Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.14 05:39:00 - [431] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON You did block my motions. Interpreting the validity of motions wasn't any more in your purview than vetoing votes. No interpretation of validity was done. I told you to post an issue discussion thread or support an existing one and go through the motions for raising an issue. Dunno how to make this any clearer for you. Quote: If you want me to not respond to you then don't editorialize what I say. I don't care if you respond or not. Its your choice at the end of the day. Quote: I'd be happy to post the emails to allow them to speak for themselves but I fear you would take umbrage with that and the vote to do so has not yet been had. Yeah but posting those emails would involve you breaking the terms of service you agreed wouldn't they - little bit inconvenient there. Maybe you might consider not provoking public arguments every single day over every single issue we've ever talked about? How about that for an idea? Quote: How I can "provoke" and argument by clarifying what YOU STATED was MY position is beyond me. You didn't clarify Darius you lied. You said I blocked your motions when what I actually did is told you how you should make them within the same rules we are all bound by. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.06.14 05:49:00 - [432] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Darius JOHNSON You did block my motions. Interpreting the validity of motions wasn't any more in your purview than vetoing votes. No interpretation of validity was done. I told you to post an issue discussion thread or support an existing one and go through the motions for raising an issue. Dunno how to make this any clearer for you. Quote: If you want me to not respond to you then don't editorialize what I say. I don't care if you respond or not. Its your choice at the end of the day. Quote: I'd be happy to post the emails to allow them to speak for themselves but I fear you would take umbrage with that and the vote to do so has not yet been had. Yeah but posting those emails would involve you breaking the terms of service you agreed wouldn't they - little bit inconvenient there. Maybe you might consider not provoking public arguments every single day over every single issue we've ever talked about? How about that for an idea? Quote: How I can "provoke" and argument by clarifying what YOU STATED was MY position is beyond me. You didn't clarify Darius you lied. You said I blocked your motions when what I actually did is told you how you should make them within the same rules we are all bound by. Ok, let's say this again... Up until my motion to limit the scope of your moderation to prevent you from disenfranchising elected representatives at whim, like you did last Sunday, we had discussed NUMEROUS administrative items. We had even had a vote on one. Immediately after the motion was presented you unilaterally decided for the rest of us that we would no longer be discussing administrative issues. I was told we could not discuss that motion because of your decision and it would have to be raised as an issue. This would have meant you could have continued your wreckless vetoing and muting until CCP made a decision in Iceland. Thus the problem I had. Change it to not blocking a motion if that makes you feel better in Jadeworld. The facts are the facts and they're right there plain as day. Again with the "provoke" word. You were acting as my spokesperson on as issue. I posted clarifying my stance for myself. That does not make me a provocateur. You do not speak for me in any way. Being coy about your "explanation" to save face is pretty silly. The simple fact is as I stated above. Prior to my raising the motion we were able to discuss administrative issues. The second one was raised that challenged you, you decided unilaterally that we were not discussing such things anymore. That's the chain of events. It's not a lie. You decided you had the authority to change the game midstream. Perhaps that long and wordy explanation will sit better with you than "blocked". Those were not "rules we were all bound by". Just the day before we had all operated under a different premise. YOU decided that YOU didn't like that. Immediately thereafter you unilaterally vetoed the vote that you didn't like from the day before, declaring it void. Also not a rule we are all bound by. Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.14 06:04:00 - [433] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Up until my motion to limit the scope of your moderation to prevent you from disenfranchising elected representatives at whim, like you did last Sunday, we had discussed NUMEROUS administrative items. We had even had a vote on one. Immediately after the motion was presented you unilaterally decided for the rest of us that we would no longer be discussing administrative issues. I think most of us emailed CCP asking for intervention actually. I said I wouldn't be countenancing any more "administrative" votes until we heard back and got some guidance. The sole significant administrative issue we'd discussed thus far was the alternates thing. If saying "no more of this crap until we hear from ccp" is considered by you to be a bad thing then we'll agree to differ. Quote: I was told we could not discuss that motion because of your decision and it would have to be raised as an issue. This would have meant you could have continued your wreckless vetoing and muting until CCP made a decision in Iceland. Well like I said, lots of us had apparently asked for guidance from ccp and waiting till that guidance was given seemed like a good idea to me. Spin it how you will Darius, you wanted to move into the offensive with admin motions to change the balance of the council without a 7 day discussion, without submission templates and without face to face time in Iceland. Again I'll cite the example of the Issue I brought up to impact the council dynamics "electable chair" and I went through the approved methods and got it heard for 7 days and then voted on the CSM. What made you think you didn't have to meet the same standards of approval? Quote: Thus the problem I had. Change it to not blocking a motion if that makes you feel better in Jadeworld. The facts are the facts and they're right there plain as day. How about we simply tell the truth rather than listening to Darius Johnson trying to wriggle his way out of lying in public. Quote: You decided you had the authority to change the game midstream. Perhaps that long and wordy explanation will sit better with you than "blocked". I held your motions that would impact the balance of the council to the same standards that mine had met. If you call that changing the rules you really are deluded. You made an allegation that I had blocked your motions - that allegation was false. I did tell you how to raise them properly. Quote: Those were not "rules we were all bound by". Just the day before we had all operated under a different premise. Absolutely not. Again I cite the "electable chair" motion and its passage through the CSM process. Your motion of "no confidence in the chair" should have to follow exactly the same checks and balances and be heard in exactly the same manner. Quote: YOU decided that YOU didn't like that. Immediately thereafter you unilaterally vetoed the vote that you didn't like from the day before, declaring it void. Also not a rule we are all bound by. I said it was void pending an inquiry to CCP. We made the inquiry, to got the information, matter was resolved. Really you are flapping around like a fish on dry land here Darius and making a scene for absolutely no good purpose. Give it up. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.06.14 06:24:00 - [434] Originally by: Jade Constantine :words: I'm not going to play the ladder quote game with you that gets tedious and I lack your flare for the boring. The fact of the matter is that your decision to not hold any more administrative votes did not occur until my motion had been raised. Could that be a coincidence? Certainly could. That does not change the fact that I raised the issue the same way the use of alternates issue was raised (the one you decided you could veto after a perfectly legitimate vote) and you ruled it "out of order" prior to there ever being any understanding that this was even a possibility. I never said you didn't allow for me to raise it as an issue here. I never lied. You can say I lied until you're blue in the face, but the facts are on the table and you stomping your feet and saying so in your typical juvenile fashion does not make it a fact. You told me no to something for which no other mechanism had been established and my choice of words was "blocked". What you did, did indeed have the effect of blocking the motion. You can claim nuance or want some fancier wording or explanation around it if you like but there's no lie there. The motion was not allowed to carry through along the same lines similar motions had before. That is not a lie. That is not spin. It's simply what happened. Your "telling me how to raise them properly" did not meet the previous standard which was actually bringing the item to a vote. What made me think I didn't need to meet the 7 day standard? The fact that until it impacted you that "standard" didn't exist. LOOK AT JADE TRYING TO WIGGLE HIS WAY OUT OF HIS CIRCULAR ARGUMENT FLOP FLOP FLOP FLOP Did I do that right? I can sling names with you all night long. Call you a liar. Say what you're saying is stupid. I can selectively ignore what is inconvenient to me. I didn't see a need to do that at this juncture. But I'm the juvenile. I'm the one spinning. Somehow Jade is always right and without fault. Whether you realize it or not you're fairly transparent and one of a very few people who buys your own bull**. Originally by:** Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
Kitoba Legion of Dynamic Discord	Posted - 2008.06.14 06:30:00 - [435] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Whether you realize it or not you're fairly transparent and one of a very few people who buys your own bull****. Please, don't say such things. You could destroy his self-esteem. It's more fun with him not realising.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2008.06.14 06:33:00 - [436] I'll leave you to your alliance of yes-men Darius. When you get to the point of simply casting insults its fairly clear you don't have an answer. Was a pointless argument as they always are with you. CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.06.14 06:47:00 - [437] Originally by: Jade Constantine I'll leave you to your alliance of yes-men Darius. When you get to the point of simply casting insults its fairly clear you don't have an answer. Was a pointless argument as they always are with you. Quoting the first insult in this discussion: Originally by: Jade Constantine you aren't that smart after all Quoting the "non-insulting" inflammatory dance that followed: Originally by: Jade Constantine How about we simply tell the truth rather than listening to Darius Johnson trying to wriggle his way out of lying in public. Originally by: Jade Constantine Really you are flapping around like a fish on dry land here Darius and making a scene for absolutely no good purpose. Give it up. If answering repeatedly the same arguments you make is not having an answer then I guess nobody has one. It's you Jade. You have the ONLY answers and everyone else is wrong. Why did I even bother having an opinion when I could have just asked you what it should be? If you don't want people to insult you don't throw the first stone. Don't pretend to speak for me. Don't reinterpret and editorialize my words and I won't have to respond. If I did that to you I'd expect a response. I wouldn't feign shock when it occurred. Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
Waterfowl Democracy The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 06:54:00 - [438] Originally by: Jade Constantine Well technically its designed for showing support for Issues that concern ALL players of the game. That's not correct. Very few issues will concern ALL players of the game. Something ridiculous like 70% of eve players never leave empire space, none of them will care about your ****** destroying outposts idea. And yet you raised it anyway (and put it on the agenda despite the almost overwhelming negative reception). So there we go, you're wrong. It's for raising issues that concern a portion of the eve population. Removing you as CSM concerns a large portion of the population, you can tell this because of the almost 140 support posts in this thread. This compares very well with other issue threads in this forum (especially considering this thread is quite new compared to most). Quote:** Whereas this is a petty little vendetta that only concerns bitter little fruits and their alts and cheerleaders. So far this thread has less support than Goum got in the election. Its not exactly a sterling triumphant beginning for your crusade and its actually alienated more people than its convinced. Ever since this issue broke you've been trying to claim that it's a vendetta of only a few people. This is clearly incorrect. The people asking for resignation come from a wide cross section of eve's population. While you may claim that there is a large portion of goonswarm's population is here and taking part in the CSM process. However, that's mostly because unlike almost all of the eve population we actually care about the CSM process. 89% of eve's active players didn't even bother to vote. On the other hand a good portion of goonswarm's population is aware of this forum and for the most part have similar viewpoints on issues (we aren't a homogeneous group, though, people disagree about things constantly). No matter how many people call for your resignation you'll claim that they are a vocal minority. Shame it's quite clear to all involved that that's far from true. It'll become very clear if you run in the next CSM election.
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.06.14 07:00:00 - [439] Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy Originally by: Jade Constantine Well technically its designed for showing support for Issues that concern ALL players of the game. That's not correct. Very few issues will concern ALL players of the game. Something ridiculous like 70% of eve players never leave empire space, none of them will care about your ****** destroying outposts idea. And yet you raised it anyway (and put it on the agenda despite the almost overwhelming negative reception). So there we go, you're wrong. It's for raising issues that concern a portion of the eve population. Removing you as CSM concerns a large portion of the population, you can tell this because of the almost 140 support posts in this thread. This compares very well with other issue threads in this forum (especially considering this thread is quite new compared to most). Quote: Whereas this is a petty little vendetta that only concerns bitter little fruits and their alts and cheerleaders. So far this thread has less support than Goum got in the election. Its not exactly a sterling triumphant beginning for your crusade and its actually alienated more people than its convinced. Ever since this issue broke you've been trying to claim that it's a vendetta of only a few people. This is clearly incorrect. The people asking for resignation come from a wide cross section of eve's population. While you may claim that there is a large portion of goonswarm's population is here and taking part in the CSM process. However, that's mostly because unlike almost all of the eve population we actually care about the CSM process. 89% of eve's active players didn't even bother to vote. On the other hand a good portion of goonswarm's population is aware of this forum and for the most part have similar viewpoints on issues (we aren't a homogeneous group, though, people disagree about things constantly). No matter how many people call for your resignation you'll claim that they are a vocal minority. Shame it's quite clear to all involved that that's far from true. It'll become very clear if you run in the next CSM election. That's not PRECISELY what I told you to post pleb. 30 demerits. Originally by:** Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
Mister Spanky GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 07:02:00 - [440] Edited by: Mister Spanky on 14/06/2008 07:04:28 I have some sympathy for Jade in the muting issue and as Chairman he certainly does have the right to do that when necessary, but the dictatorial powers he is trying to give himself are as astonishing as they are corrupt. The Chair has no right to veto a vote. The Chair has no right to set the agenda of a meeting and The Chair most certainly has no right to refuse a vote of no confidence. The role of the Chairman is to moderate and facilitate the meeting. He can have a deciding vote if the ballot is a dead heat but to give himself the power to veto a vote defeats the whole point of having the committee in the first place. Also, every member has the right to abstain from a vote and the Chair has no right to criticize never mind change the vote because of it. The Chairman does not set the agenda - the members of the committee do. At the end of the meeting each member should be given the opportunity to add an item to the agenda of the next meeting and the Chairman has no right to refuse. As for the Chairman refusing to allow a vote of no confidence in himself, well, do I really need to explain why that is utterly ridiculous? Speaking of Jade giving himself powers he has no right to possess, he also seems to have set himself up as dictator for life according to his explanation as to why he cannot be replaced. That explanation, unless I'm very much mistaken, applies to members of the committee, not the the role of Chairman itself, which incidentally, he usurped in the first place. So yeah - I regretfully support this motion, which Jade has no right to refuse. A vote of no confidence must be attended to immediately under an "Extraordinary General Meeting" which again, Jade has no right to refuse.

Azeroth Uluntil Trident Enterprises Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.06.14 10:20:00 - [441] Quite an amusing read... Should lock you guys up in a room, give you all baseball bats and let you duke it out that way seeing as this seems to be doing absolutely nothing... Meet on common ground and re-work it. Set ground rules. Get things done properly instead of wasting everyones time.
Allaria Kriss Elipse Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.14 11:54:00 - [442] Edited by: Allaria Kriss on 14/06/2008 11:55:22 Okay, I'm going to be short and simple here. Jade: 1) Continues to ignore many people with valid points. 2) Uses the name of the game's largest alliance as an insult and implies they're all stupid children, in public. 3) Continues to smokescreen issues instead of dealing with them. 4) Is letting the power he is trying to give himself go to his head. 5) Is bickering with Darius like a child. 6) Has become a synonym for 'Annoying, arrogant *******.' 7) Is now being told to GTFO in one of the most epic threads on Assembly Hall. Jade, give up and leave while you still have some tiny shred of dignity.
Leora Nomen	Posted - 2008.06.14 13:03:00 - [443] quite obvious this isn't going to work well otherwise guide to game time codes
Goumindong Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 15:00:00 - [444] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 14/06/2008 05:26:00 Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I posted here in response to your post here mentioning me by name. It's right here in this thread. Yep thats right I had stated that you were too smart to be seen wasting everyone's time with a crappy motion like this. I'm happy to take it back. Obviously you aren't that smart after all. If you had "moved on" then why provoke this argument by claiming I blocked your motions when what I actually did was explain to you the process of how the Issues had to be raised? Seriously Darius. You need to chill and bow out of this stupid thread. Its not helping your good judgment to be forced to perform for the goon chorus. Because only when it became clear that you would lose such a vote did you declare unilaterally that all such votes were verboten. The council had been running administrative procedural votes for three meetings in the same manner before the call to remove was placed. You had brought administrative procedural votes to these meetings with no objections. You're a liar. You twist the truth so that you can say things that might be maybe possibly true in order to convey other meanings. A good example is when a goon re-hosted your maison site. You said "i have nothing to do with the hosting of that page" which, despite you creating the page, hosting it on your own domain for a long time, having posted in other boards in confirmation of you owning the site, could possibly construed to be true because that particular copy you did not put online. You said this to disassociate yourself from the content. Its the same thing here. It is technically true that you did not "block" the motion, but only because there is no technical procedure called "blocking" that you could have taken advantage of. You did stop the motion from going to a vote. You did previously allow motions of similar nature from going to a vote You had previously brought similar motions to a vote You had never objected before to any procedural motion before such a point So what changed? The motion was unfavorable to you and was likely to pass. Just like when you editorialized Hardin's motion (after without right or justification barring him from a meeting) to formalize the process by which alternatives entered and left the status of equal voting members.
fuze InfoMorph Services Ltd	Posted - 2008.06.14 15:48:00 - [445] Jade continues to show his unprofessionalism and is letting down all his voters IMHO. You should step down, let the vice take your place and shut the heck up. And if you continue to be such a pigheaded person it would make sense for the CSM to have meetings with 8 people. Honestly, you make me sick for trying to ruin the first CSM because of your own petty ego and I wished CCP never unbanned your sorry behind.
Farrqua Turbo Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:04:00 - [446] Originally by: fuze I wished CCP never unbanned your sorry behind. Um, what?
Goumindong Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:19:00 - [447] Originally by: Farrqua Originally by: fuze I wished CCP never unbanned your sorry behind. Um, what? Jade was banned from the forums for a significant amount of time(for doing pretty much exactly what he is doing here). A few months before taking sign ups for the CSM CCP issued a blanket amnesty for all forum accounts that were not removed due to serious infractions(like posting goatse on the forums)
Mister Spanky GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:37:00 - [448] Originally by: fuze Jade continues to show his unprofessionalism and is letting down all his voters IMHO. You should step down, let the vice take your place and shut the heck up. And if you continue to be such a pigheaded person it would make sense for the CSM to have meetings with 8 people. Honestly, you make me sick for trying to ruin the first CSM because of your own petty ego and I wished CCP never unbanned your sorry behind. The way I see things it's not too late for Jade. Sure he's overstepped the mark and assumed far more power than he is legitimately entitled to, but the situation could be resolved if he accepted the following points: 1. The Chair has no right to veto. 2. The Chair has no right to exclude members from a meeting or a vote without the agreement of the Council. 3. The Chair has no right to set the agenda or dictate procedures without the consent and support of the committee. 4. The Chair has no right to vote on any issue at all unless the ballot is tied and he is required to cast the deciding vote. If Jade could accept those basic principles of democratic procedure then the problem would be solved.
Goumindong Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 16:52:00 - [449] The chair is an equal voting member there is no reason to disallow him from partaking in discussion and voting. There are 9 people on the council and so long as the chair doesn't attempt to railroad the others and powergrab so that the CSM does what he wants when he wants there is no problem with it. Non-voting chairs are precautions that need to be taken in larger bodies where the sheer number of people make participation skew the process too much to also allow the chair to participate in discussions and vote on resolutions. It should not be needed here, and until its shown that such a system does not work with a reasonable person at in the chair its unreasonable to suggest it should be changed.
Mister Spanky GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 17:13:00 - [450] Edited by: Mister Spanky on 14/06/2008 17:14:31 Originally by: Goumindong The chair is an equal voting member there is no reason to disallow him from partaking in discussion and voting. There are 9 people on the council and so long as the chair doesn't attempt to railroad the others and powergrab so that the CSM does what he wants when he wants there is no problem with it. This is precisely what is happening. Quote: Non-voting chairs are precautions that need to be taken in larger bodies where the sheer number of people make participation skew the process too much to also allow the chair to participate in discussions and vote on resolutions. No they are not. I've never been a member of a committee that allowed the Chair a vote in any other circumstance other than a dead heat. The Chair is supposed to be a neutral moderator and is normally extremely reluctant to reveal their position on any issue unless forced to do so in the event of a deadlocked vote. To do so in a real life political environment would be considered extremely unprofessional at best. Quote: It should not be needed here, and until its shown that such a system does not work with a reasonable person at in the chair its unreasonable to suggest it should be changed. Oh I see. You don't want to resolve the issue amicably. You just want to get rid of Jade no matter what. Okay, that's a perfectly reasonable position to take, I guess. I was just trying to be diplomatic.



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