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CCP Greyscale C C P C C P Alliance 582	Posted - 2012.03.13 11:46:00 - [1] - Quote Hi everyone, We're not happy with the effectiveness of large groups of titans against subcapital ships, so we're making some adjustments to titans and to XL turrets. This is a quick, surgical adjustment to solve a specific issue we have identified. It's not a general titan balance pass, and we don't consider titans "done" after this change. Titans will require significant further changes, and probably an overall adjustment in role, before they're in a place where we're really happy with them. This will require a reasonably significant amount of work, which we unfortunately don't have the spare resources for right now. In a similar vein, we're not making more extensive balance changes (or addressing this issue in a more technically complex way) because we're allocating the minimum resources needed to resolve the specific issue (titans performing excessively well against subcaps in certain circumstances) satisfactorily. If you have any further questions about this paragraph, please ask away For the immediate future and until such time as we have the resources available to do a comprehensive overhaul, we want to ensure that titans perform decently against other capitals, but do not represent a serious threat to subcaps. We want titans to have clear vulnerabilities, and as much as possible to have them acting in support of the main capital/subcap fleet rather than the other way round. We've already prevented doomsdays from being fired at subcaps, and this adjustment should continue that trend. We have talked to the CSM about this, and we're comfortable going forward with these changes in light of that discussion. I'm not going to put words in their mouths, though. Specific changes being made: XL turret tracking halved, siege module tracking penalty removed This should generally make titan performance against small targets significantly worse, without seriously impacting their effectiveness against larger targets, or negatively impacting dreadnaughts in their common use-case (ie, in siege mode). Titans reduced to 3 maximum locked targets, and base scan resolution reduced to 5 This should make trying to engage smaller targets very inefficient, due to long lock-times and an inability to queue many targets at once. This reinforces the titan's MO as a slow-acting but hard-hitting platform (in line with the doomsday's huge damage and 10 minute RoF). The scan res number is balanced around multiple Cormack's sensor boosters, on the assumption that money is not a limiting factor for titan pilots, and therefore that people will shell out for officer SBs if that lets them continue do this kind of thing. Our understanding is that this isn't standard practice right now, but we have to balance for expected behavior after the change, and for worst-case scenarios. Expected release schedule for these changes These changes should hit TQ some time in April. If there is a sizable release in April then expect them to turn up then; if not then we'll announce deployment dates for these changes closer to the time. *Changes considered and discarded:* (I'm expecting at least three people to not read the word "discarded" and make angry posts about something in this section. C'est la vie.) Titans can't lock subcaps at all Guaranteed effective solution, but we considered it too hacky and restrictive. Adding a "minimum sig radius" attribute to turrets, below which damage would fall off regardless of tracking Too big a change and more technical work than we actually needed to solve the problem. Changing the lock time formula As it is, the lock time formula doesn't really scale in a nice way between battleships and capitals (the kink in the curve always happens around cruisers regardless of the scan res and sig radius), but again we decided we could solve the issue without resorting to this sort of technical work. Changing XL missiles to match While in a strictly regimented world we ought in principle to nerf XL missiles and remove the penalties from the siege module for them too, in practice they're not actually a problem due to the way missile damage scales against small targets. Leaving them unchanged also serves to differentiate missiles further from turrets, which might make them more useful on capitals under certain circumstances.

Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2394	Posted - 2012.03.13 11:47:00 - [2] - Quote Loving this. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012
esc shk GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 76	Posted - 2012.03.13 11:51:00 - [3] - Quote Ground Floor. incoming Shitstorm
Onictus Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities 99	Posted - 2012.03.13 11:52:00 - [4] - Quote I predict tears.
Darker Domain GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 12	Posted - 2012.03.13 11:54:00 - [5] - Quote Santa has arrived. I wonder which three alliances will oppose this terrible, terrible balance.
Simvastatin Montelukast Irregular Warfare Mean Coalition 17	Posted - 2012.03.13 11:56:00 - [6] - Quote Yes!
Meltmind2 NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation 38	Posted - 2012.03.13 11:57:00 - [7] - Quote Cool stuff. esc shk wrote: Ground Floor. incoming Shitstorm +1
Valearx Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation 32	Posted - 2012.03.13 11:57:00 - [8] - Quote uh oh
Mike712 BattleClinic 48	Posted - 2012.03.13 11:58:00 - [9] - Quote So goons fly blobs of 2 LSE perma MWDing drakes(read massive sig, in fact as big as a carrier) against titans for 2 months to make them look OP, then titans get nerfed. Good job goons/mittens now you should have the upper hand against a foe who you greatly outnumber.... Regards, Mike712 The BattleClinic Team
Triskian GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 34	Posted - 2012.03.13 11:58:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Greyscale for President.

hfo df Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team 0	Posted - 2012.03.13 11:59:00 - [11] - Quote love!
Gheyna Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore 26	Posted - 2012.03.13 11:59:00 - [12] - Quote scanres to 5, maybe 10-15. it will take like 5 min to lock a pos
Kismeteer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 101	Posted - 2012.03.13 11:59:00 - [13] - Quote Thanks CCP. Now The Mittani will be insufferably smug as **** for the next two months. I work for a wizard.
Anela Cistine GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 109	Posted - 2012.03.13 12:01:00 - [14] - Quote Good job CCP!
MontyDon Fatalix Holdings 0	Posted - 2012.03.13 12:01:00 - [15] - Quote very nice
testobjekt Goonswarm Federation Human Resources Goonswarm Federation 106	Posted - 2012.03.13 12:01:00 - [16] - Quote To declare your support for this please vote: http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=438
shas Ellecon The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn 20	Posted - 2012.03.13 12:01:00 - [17] - Quote I'm not sure the servers can withstand this much smug.
Tomytronic GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 92	Posted - 2012.03.13 12:01:00 - [18] - Quote This is a sad, sad day for elite pvp. If I spent years earning a titan by logging on every month and changing a few skills on an alt and then exploiting drone minerals in order to pay for it, I should be able to kill any other ship in the game with impunity, from capsules to motherships. This is a totally unwarranted and ridiculous change. I'm sad to see that CCP is now catering to casuals. We pay for our rent by exploiting broken game mechanics to bathe in isk and RMT, and this is how you treat us? I'm sickened CCP, sickened. Titans are endgame earners for some of us and we need to be able to dominate the game single-handedly to feel good about ourselves. You're hurting your most loyal customers here in favour of pubbie casuals.
Nomad I University of Caille Gallente Federation 51	Posted - 2012.03.13 12:01:00 - [19] - Quote Tears and grief !
Red Templar Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation 166	Posted - 2012.03.13 12:01:00 - [20] - Quote Nice! For Love. For Peace. For Honor. For None of the Above. For Pony!

Sentinel Eeex Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation 20	Posted - 2012.03.13 12:01:00 - [21] - Quote Supercapital graveyard is the place where all Titans would be happy.
Vile rat GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 816	Posted - 2012.03.13 12:01:00 - [22] - Quote You're welcome Eve.
adopt Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 279	Posted - 2012.03.13 12:02:00 - [23] - Quote I am inb4 the raiden/PL/NCdot whining. Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
Caneb GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4	Posted - 2012.03.13 12:02:00 - [24] - Quote Incoming ~elite pvp~ bawling itt.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2394	Posted - 2012.03.13 12:02:00 - [25] - Quote Gheyna wrote: scanres to 5, maybe 10-15. it will take like 5 min to lock a pos Titans do not fit sensor boosters no siree "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012
Courthouse GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 118	Posted - 2012.03.13 12:04:00 - [26] - Quote Mike712 wrote: So goons fly blobs of 2 LSE perma MWDing drakes(read massive sig, in fact as big as a carrier) against titans for 2 months to make them look OP, then titans get nerfed. Good job goons/mittens now you should have the upper hand against a foe who you greatly outnumber.... Counterpoint: You're from battleclinic and thus have zero idea what you're talking about when it comes to PVP in EVE Online.
Sathras Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 0	Posted - 2012.03.13 12:04:00 - [27] - Quote Mike712 wrote: So goons fly blobs of 2 LSE perma MWDing drakes(read massive sig, in fact as big as a carrier) against titans for 2 months to make them look OP, then titans get nerfed. Good job goons/mittens now you should have the upper hand against a foe who you greatly outnumber.... Your tears, we demand more!
Chi Ana NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation 41	Posted - 2012.03.13 12:04:00 - [28] - Quote o dear
Dominionix GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 17	Posted - 2012.03.13 12:05:00 - [29] - Quote April is coming. Gäó
Hideki Tsutomi Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2	Posted - 2012.03.13 12:06:00 - [30] - Quote Making a bad post in this thread that will undoubtedly be full of bad posts.



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