Ground Floor. incoming Shitstorm

scanres to 5, maybe 10-15. it will take like 5 min to lock a pos

So goons fly blobs of 2 LSE perma MWDing drakes(read massive sig, in fact as big as a carrier) against titans for 2 months to make them look OP, then titans get nerfed.

Good job goons/mittens now you should have the upper hand against a foe who you greatly outnumber....

So goons fly blobs of 2 LSE perma MWDing drakes(read massive sig, in fact as big as a carrier) against titans for 2 months to make them look OP, then titans get nerfed.

Good job goons/mittens now you should have the upper hand against a foe who you greatly outnumber....

Counterpoint: You're from battleclinic and thus have zero idea what you're talking about when it comes to PVP in EVE Online.

Good job goons/mittens now you should have the upper hand against a foe who you greatly outnumber....

lol, you couldn't be more wrong, all of the battleclinic mods are PvPers.

lol, you couldn't be more wrong, all of the battleclinic mods are PvPers.

lol, you couldn't be more wrong, all of the battleclinic mods are PvPers.

Congratz CCP you just made sure that Numbers is all in EVE again.

way to **** up your own game.

Great Job CCP.

Can you please nerf POS's , It doesn't make sense that they should be able to defend against a fleet a noob ships and I demand to be able to kill them with any ship in the game.

nulli secunda is known for using titans

CCP


YOU KEEP DOING WHAT GOONS WANT.


THIS GAME IS REACHING THE END.


FOR ME YOU WILL NEVER RECEIVE ONE MORE PERSON.


AND I THINK IS TIME TO THINKING IN LEAVE THIS GAME, BECAUSE IS NOT A CLEAN GAME.


I HOPE EVEYONE STOP PLAYING THIS GAME, AND YOU CAN KEEP WITH YOUR FRIENDS.

CCP


YOU KEEP DOING WHAT GOONS WANT.


THIS GAME IS REACHING THE END.


FOR ME YOU WILL NEVER RECEIVE ONE MORE PERSON.


AND I THINK IS TIME TO THINKING IN LEAVE THIS GAME, BECAUSE IS NOT A CLEAN GAME.


I HOPE EVEYONE STOP PLAYING THIS GAME, AND YOU CAN KEEP WITH YOUR FRIENDS.

I've seen your website. I'm certain that I'm not.

CCP


YOU KEEP DOING WHAT GOONS WANT.


THIS GAME IS REACHING THE END.


FOR ME YOU WILL NEVER RECEIVE ONE MORE PERSON.


AND I THINK IS TIME TO THINKING IN LEAVE THIS GAME, BECAUSE IS NOT A CLEAN GAME.


I HOPE EVEYONE STOP PLAYING THIS GAME, AND YOU CAN KEEP WITH YOUR FRIENDS.

Congratz CCP you just made sure that Numbers is all in EVE again.

way to **** up your own game.

Congrats Mittens you won again. Unfortunately I think you were on the wrong side this time.

The problem of Titans vs Subcaps is not what it has been made out to be. This is a great change for the CFC but bad for the game.

This will only happen this once but Grath is right.

A nicely fit BS with AC or Pulses could shred cruisers 5 years ago. A titan shredding Drakes with 2 LSE2s and a MWD is no different. It just requires the correct solution, which we for whatever reason were not prepared to deploy. But we've now done an end run around that pesky game mechanic.

Sorry eve.

+1 , good changes. Subcap blapping titans were an anomaly in a game designed to match certain ships as counters to other ships.

Also confirming the ME3 ending could easily be adapted to show Mittanis smugness radiating out over the whole galaxy at this point.

Grath is right.

No more 80 lvl paladins in eve.

can i haz your titan ?

No more 80 lvl paladins in eve like "titan's sphere".

no weapons - yes no weapons, if they can-¦t kill solo one simple dictor, nwo with this nerf, never again

TITAN what is that, maybe a strage word in a dicionary.
no drones - can-¦t kill even one simple ship
no weapons - yes no weapons, if they can-¦t kill solo one simple dictor, nwo with this nerf, never again

........

CAN CCP EXPLAIN TO PLAYERS WHY

HAD PEOPLE SPENT TOO MUTCH TIME

- skiling ...
- spending bilions in skills
- spending years of training
- if one IBIS CAN KILL and ONE TITAN NO


AND KNOW IS f................ the playerS with all this wish to some guys.

IS BETTER SOME GUYS START AND LEARN HOW TO PLAY A GAME, IF NOT THERE IS OTHER KIND OF GAMES
TO THAT PERSONS.

CCP


YOU KEEP DOING WHAT GOONS WANT.


THIS GAME IS REACHING THE END.


FOR ME YOU WILL NEVER RECEIVE ONE MORE PERSON.


AND I THINK IS TIME TO THINKING IN LEAVE THIS GAME, BECAUSE IS NOT A CLEAN GAME.


I HOPE EVEYONE STOP PLAYING THIS GAME, AND YOU CAN KEEP WITH YOUR FRIENDS.

limiting the amount of targets titans can lock, raising the locking time... there is only one counter that supercap heavy alliances can do to that: bring more titans.

the tracking nerf can easy be countered by having more RR (super) carriers arround to deal with the smaller stuff, while the set of a titan blob will stop hostiles from fielding capitals all together.

maybe i just don't get the plan behind this

Something, something, something that isn't easily understood without reading it five times.

The scan res number is balanced around multiple Cormack's sensor boosters, on the assumption that money is not a limiting factor for titan pilots, and therefore that people will shell out for officer SBs if that lets them continue do this kind of thing.

limiting the amount of targets titans can lock, raising the locking time... there is only one counter that supercap heavy alliances can do to that: bring more titans.

the tracking nerf can easy be countered by having more RR (super) carriers arround to deal with the smaller stuff, while the set of a titan blob will stop hostiles from fielding capitals all together.

maybe i just don't get the plan behind this

The scan res number is balanced around multiple Cormack's sensor boosters

So you're saying that titans might just need a support fleet? What a strange and alien concept in this EVE Online game~

the guy who unironically makes WW2 analogies and honestly believes that 200 dreads are easily sourced off the market is right

send us a postcard from Native Freshfood when you're there!

BattleClinic's main aim is to help rookie pilots, just because I devote a large part of my spare time to helping people with their mission fits dose not infer that I know nothing about PvP, it's simply that I enjoy educating people on basic ship fitting and that's where a part of my enjoyment of eve comes from.

So what you're saying is it's better for CCP and the Eve community that a group of 20 Titans can destroy a 250 man subcap fleet? I respect those that skilled for the Titan, hell I did it myself. However I know sure as well that the enjoyment of 20 people at the expense of a 250 individuals is not good mechanics. It isn't good business strategy either.

Let's just get something out of the way here: are you saying that titans should be able to effectively solo one of the only two hulls that can tackle them? Do you have any idea how game balancing works?

I'm almost at a loss of words here. Almost, therefore I am going to speak my mind.

So now capitals are basically structure grinding machines and you only deploy them if you have something to grind down or if someone else is grinding stuff down and you catch someone else grinding down something. This is not a solution, this is a plaster for a symptom. There is now ZERO reason to deploy supercapitals except to grind down a structure. Do you really want structure grinding to become the motivator for people to build and create supercapitals in EVE? I mean, I don't believe you have thought at all about the consequences of these changes.

EVE is now effectively sectioned off into two tier combat systems. Capital combat and sub-capital combat. The difference is, capitals cannot touch sub-capitals, but sub-capitals can, in the numbers that are brought at the moment, almost 1-3 volley capitals. The titans were a workaround for that because numbers were no longer the only deciding factor, your playing time, your assets and your skillpoints actually played a role. Now we are going back to a time again where the only effective tool, a VERY limited tool might I add, against blobbing is a damn stealth bomber. No more force projection by taking advantage of the many years you have spent in the game and the money you have pooled into a titan, you are better off selling off said titan and joining the nearest Maelstrom fleet.

What am I meant to aspire for in EVE in terms of combat? What is my incentive for actually training all these skills. To fly the next flavour of the month subcapital ship?

EVE is now a numbers game when there is a large effort to remove counters for large fleets. If this is the direction we're going, we're going to see a bipolar political landscape because being a small alliance, you can now only exist if you are a part of the inevitable two powerblocks that will come to dominate EVE. If you can't match the numbers, too bad... join or die.

Let's get a rethink of the roles of supercapitals and not a temporary plaster that will reduce supercapitals to nothing but ihub and station grinders.

This will require a reasonably significant amount of work, which we unfortunately don't have the spare resources for right now.

All things aside, this is a pretty hilarious assumption that doesn't make sense in context. With a base sensor strength of 5, you are talking about a few seconds difference between t2 and cormack out of a probable minute+ lock time.

Well worth the 4b+ sensor booster imo

CCP, please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock-paper-scissors

Thanks

There is now ZERO reason to deploy supercapitals except to grind down a structure.

CCP, you might want to fix something. You said "base scan resolution reduced to 5"

Didn't you mean "Base scan resolution reduced BY 5" ?

No POS mods or ships can realistically have a scan resolution of 5.

lol, you couldn't be more wrong, all of the battleclinic mods are PvPers.

it takes a ship with 11.1 scan res 54 seconds to lock a dread. yep that makes sense!

Shield titans should have more sig res than armor tanking titans, due to their incredible difficulty of fitting sebos, and sigamps being terrible.

Wow, ccp you must love goons and blobs. because this nerf make the bigger subcap blob win all fights, congrats mittens and goons, you cried enough on the forums and welped enough fleets into capital weapons that you got what you wanted, a capital weapon shield! gg.

Picks from the patch notes:

- An issue with certain lipstick colors not appearing correctly has been fixed.

- Hull Tanking - Elite certificate no longer directly requires Hull Upgrades IV, as this is superseded by the requirement for Core Integrity - Elite.

- The warp in effects on the sun in Uotila system have been fixed and display correctly.

- The boosters on the Dominix, Sin and Dominix Navy Issue have been moved closer to the ships engines.

- Neutron Blaster turret color will adapt to the racial style of the ship they're fitted to.

- We have revamped the rookie ships which are the first ships new players see in the game. You can read, and see, all the changes to the Ibis, Impairor, Reaper and Velator in this blog.


Sounds like CCP is using their resources well to make the game better for us all. Well, the at least newbship models were completely broken for so long time so it is great that they finally fixed them! Good work CCP.

Gains you 25s against frigates (105 to 79, assuming 3 are fitted), 15s against cruisers (64 to 49) and 10s against battleships (44 to 33).

If you see this as a big difference, then it's worth balancing around the officer fit given that dropping 12bn on SBs is not a huge fraction of the outlay for a properly-fit titan. If you don't see this as a big difference, then balancing around the officer fit isn't a big deal because it's not having a major impact. Either way, it's a functional assumption

Picks from the patch notes:

- An issue with certain lipstick colors not appearing correctly has been fixed.

- Hull Tanking - Elite certificate no longer directly requires Hull Upgrades IV, as this is superseded by the requirement for Core Integrity - Elite.

- The warp in effects on the sun in Uotila system have been fixed and display correctly.

- The boosters on the Dominix, Sin and Dominix Navy Issue have been moved closer to the ships engines.

- Neutron Blaster turret color will adapt to the racial style of the ship they're fitted to.

- We have revamped the rookie ships which are the first ships new players see in the game. You can read, and see, all the changes to the Ibis, Impairor, Reaper and Velator in this blog.


Sounds like CCP is using their resources well to make the game better for us all. Well, the at least newbship models were completely broken for so long time so it is great that they finally fixed them! Good work CCP.

Gains you 25s against frigates (105 to 79, assuming 3 are fitted), 15s against cruisers (64 to 49) and 10s against battleships (44 to 33).

If you see this as a big difference, then it's worth balancing around the officer fit given that dropping 12bn on SBs is not a huge fraction of the outlay for a properly-fit titan. If you don't see this as a big difference, then balancing around the officer fit isn't a big deal because it's not having a major impact. Either way, it's a functional assumption

Hi everyone,

We're not happy with the effectiveness of large groups of titans against subcapital ships, so we're making some adjustments to titans and to XL turrets.

So which one of those is the titan? Oh yeah, the one that kills rock, paper and scissors

Gains you 25s against frigates (105 to 79, assuming 3 are fitted), 15s against cruisers (64 to 49) and 10s against battleships (44 to 33).

If you see this as a big difference, then it's worth balancing around the officer fit given that dropping 12bn on SBs is not a huge fraction of the outlay for a properly-fit titan. If you don't see this as a big difference, then balancing around the officer fit isn't a big deal because it's not having a major impact. Either way, it's a functional assumption

Wow, ccp you must love goons and blobs. because this nerf make the bigger subcap blob win all fights, congrats mittens and goons, you cried enough on the forums and welped enough fleets into capital weapons that you got what you wanted, a capital weapon shield! gg.

So which one of those is the titan? Oh yeah, the one that kills rock, paper and scissors

Wow, ccp you must love goons and blobs. because this nerf make the bigger subcap blob win all fights, congrats mittens and goons, you cried enough on the forums and welped enough fleets into capital weapons that you got what you wanted, a capital weapon shield! gg.

Additionally, most titan kills of subcaps occur once said titans are configured for max tracking. Without tracking mods, IE fully configured for tank, titans have trouble tracking even battleships that perform properly.

The solution is rather a COUNTER to supercapitals. An affordable counter, which puts a lot of risk to deploying supercapitals without a proper support fleet, and is very cost effective should said supercapital fleet be without support, or even insufficient support

Wow, ccp you must love goons and blobs. because this nerf make the bigger subcap blob win all fights, congrats mittens and goons, you cried enough on the forums and welped enough fleets into capital weapons that you got what you wanted, a capital weapon shield! gg.

Titans reduced to 3 maximum locked targets, and base scan resolution reduced to 5


it takes a ship with 11.1 scan res 54 seconds to lock a dread. yep that makes sense!

You shield tank your titan?

BattleClinic's main aim is to help rookie pilots, just because I devote a large part of my spare time to helping people with their mission fits dose not infer that I know nothing about PvP, it's simply that I enjoy educating people on basic ship fitting and that's where a part of my enjoyment of eve comes from.

So which one of those is the titan? Oh yeah, the one that kills rock, paper and scissors

Gains you 25s against frigates (105 to 79, assuming 3 are fitted), 15s against cruisers (64 to 49) and 10s against battleships (44 to 33).

If you see this as a big difference, then it's worth balancing around the officer fit given that dropping 12bn on SBs is not a huge fraction of the outlay for a properly-fit titan. If you don't see this as a big difference, then balancing around the officer fit isn't a big deal because it's not having a major impact. Either way, it's a functional assumption

Gains you 25s against frigates (105 to 79, assuming 3 are fitted), 15s against cruisers (64 to 49) and 10s against battleships (44 to 33).

If you see this as a big difference, then it's worth balancing around the officer fit given that dropping 12bn on SBs is not a huge fraction of the outlay for a properly-fit titan. If you don't see this as a big difference, then balancing around the officer fit isn't a big deal because it's not having a major impact. Either way, it's a functional assumption

CAN CCP EXPLAIN TO PLAYERS WHY

HAD PEOPLE SPENT TOO MUTCH TIME

- skiling ...
- spending bilions in skills
- spending years of training
- if one IBIS CAN KILL and ONE TITAN NO


AND KNOW IS f................ the playerS with all this wish to some guys.

IS BETTER SOME GUYS START AND LEARN HOW TO PLAY A GAME, IF NOT THERE IS OTHER KIND OF GAMES
TO THAT PERSONS.

Great, now you just need to rebalance Moongo.
Oh wait, Mittens pay you to not do it

CCP your early.. april fools isnt for another 17/18 days....

Now wipe those tears Mister. Every cloud and all that, at least now you will learn that PvP is more than just Log on titan > Slam head against keyboard and pwn everything. You may even learn some kills now!!!!

Regards

Emily

p.s. I will buy your titan, 30b isk ready

Are you re.....d? why should i even try to lock frigate or cruiser after all of these changes? if there like 1% chance to hit cruiser?

CCP


YOU KEEP DOING WHAT GOONS WANT.


THIS GAME IS REACHING THE END.


FOR ME YOU WILL NEVER RECEIVE ONE MORE PERSON.


AND I THINK IS TIME TO THINKING IN LEAVE THIS GAME, BECAUSE IS NOT A CLEAN GAME.


I HOPE EVEYONE STOP PLAYING THIS GAME, AND YOU CAN KEEP WITH YOUR FRIENDS.

i will take a long hard look if i keep playing eve i will most likly unsub all my accounts

i know. because you know lots about PVP
because zergling 1600 man fleet across entire region is real PVP.

the ONLY thing smaller alliances have against nonsense like this kind of a blob was until now to grow some balls and deploy trillions of ISK on the battlefield and try to even the odds.
But that's not real PVP. I know.

CCP Grayscale man... stop embarrassing yourself here saying we don't have time to really deal with this the way it should be. we have no resources for that so we going to deploy the most significant change that will most likely help remove number of alliances from the map without any serious thinking. we will finish this later when goons online is completed.
Until then all of you who spent 120bil buying and fitting a tit go and spend 30bil more so you can get your lock time to around 45 sec.
Its just disrespectful.

that will most likely help remove number of alliances from the map without any serious thinking.

CCP doesn't seem to be capable of learning from the fact that hastily-made changes to not a balanced game make.

1) Stop ******* around with noobships and other ridiculous changes.
2) Instead of constantly repeating that supers and titans need to be re-tooled, get off your asses and do something about it.
3) Keep catering to the tears of Goons. You're great at it.

Seriously, your entire post of discarded changes reeks of laziness.

Drake, MWD fit with T2 Heavies and 2x LSE: 3.16k signature
Archon: 2.92k signature

This game is going to hell.

Anyone who thinks titans don't need a balancing pass has never had his pod headshotted by one, after his moving BC was already destroyed by one. Think it's only drakes? Think again. I have lossmails in canes with titans on top as well.

Congatz CCP, you have made yourself look like a fu***** re****, and keep kissing Mittani a**

End off rage...

Why do people keeping quoting this **** as if it has any meaning? Last I checked, sig radius wasn't the only stat that affected hit chance.

Drake MWD fit with 2 nanos and Claymore links: 1.35 km/s
Archon in Siege: 0m/s

Battleship guns can't track frigates burning at 3 km/s even with the sig bloom, why should Titans track subcaps burning at 1.35?

And why is this a shock to anyone? If CCP intended Titans to hit subcaps they would never have removed DD's ability to hit them. WTF is the difference between DD'ing a subcap and blaaping it with XL lasers?

Calm down bittervets, you can still do drive by doomsdays.

i will take a long hard look if i keep playing eve i will most likly unsub all my accounts

needed to resolve the specific issue (titans performing excessively well against subcaps in certain circumstances)

XL turret tracking halvedGÇÜ s-û-¦ge module track-ûng penalty removed

Titans reduced to 3 maximum locked targets, and base scan resolution reduced to 5

Changes considered and discarded:

(I'm expecting at least three people to not read the word "discarded" and make angry posts about something in this section. C'est la vie.)

Titans can't lock subcaps at all

Guaranteed effective solution, but we considered it too hacky and restrictive.

Adding a "minimum sig radius" attribute to turrets, below which damage would fall off regardless of tracking

Too big a change and more technical work than we actually needed to solve the problem.

Not if the rock is dreads or sc's ;)

70 bil ship, > 100mil isk ship,
but if you had brouth like 50 dreads you whuld have killed some titans and stil got out on top whould you not?

LOL who cares. If they can't defend their space properly without titanblobbing the enemy, maybe they deserve to lose it?

Hahaha. I'll be honest I was expecting the first one to make it.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

yeah its way better to defend space the goon way, tell everyone they know to come to a cynojammed system in rifters so it lags so bad nobody can get in without dying before they can warp off... i like your strat bro

YOU CAN'T CUT BACK ON TRACKING! YOU WILL REGRET THIS!

right again.
why should alliance that can bring 200 to fleet have ANY chance for a meaningful confrontation (even at a risk of putting crazy amounts of ISK in stake) against 1600 man blob.
You don't have the numbers you die. Seems fair.

balance achieved. congrats to goons.
Well played mittens.

Fellow Goons we should be kinder to these aggrieved titan pilots. I'd be pretty upset too if I spent several thousand dollars on an internet spaceship or months botting like mad to afford one.

This thread is outstanding. The funniest part about reading the crys of NCdot and Raidendot is that they fail to mention that they bring just as many blues as we do and use the blob back at us, they only drop the supers to ensure the win. Poor NCdot and Raidendot, they just lost there "being buddys with PL" card.

a bloo bloo bloo

hahahaha

Fellow Goons we should be kinder to these aggrieved titan pilots. I'd be pretty upset too if I spent several thousand dollars on an internet spaceship or months botting like mad to afford one.

(low transversal at optimal ranges)



You realise what this does to Moros right? And how people use them?



So just being able to track subcaps isn't enough, you have to make it harder to lock and kill anything at the same time? Why wasn't the halving of tracking enough of a change?



Hahaha. I'll be honest I was expecting the first one to make it.

Can we get the skill points we wasted on titan stuff and the minerals back from hulls +rigs. Something like with the learning skills and social thing.

So let me get this strait, biggest ship in the game can fire its weapon once every 10-50min "TD bonus"
is stuck for the same 10-50min.
it can't use the guns on anything but caps effectively
And now it has a constant siege mod effect
locking same amount as dread in siege
same lock time as a dread in siege if you buy 3 cormacks sensor boosters.

Mine is for sale, CSM is fine but CCP you have to remember democracy is oppression of 49%.

What is this with cormack boosters... Don't think 1/10 of the Raiden Titans have anything better then Shadow... And we have been lucky our enemy have no clue how to fly ships in eve.

CCP MAY FIND IT NECESSARY ON OCCASION TO MAKE CHANGES TO OR RESET CERTAIN PARAMETERS OF THE PERSISTENT GAME WORLD MECHANICS, INTERFACE OR FEATURES OF EVE ONLINE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN GAME BALANCE AND ENHANCE PLAYABILITY OR PERFORMANCE FOR ITS SUBSCRIBERS. THESE CHANGES MAY AFFECT OR CAUSE SETBACKS FOR THE CHARACTERS YOUGÇÖVE CREATED.

Nice Sir Bruce. And I can't decide which I love more, how seriously you take your Eve: Online A Bad Game or how bad you are at titans shouldn't kill subcaps even at low transversal and optimal range.

Changing XL missiles to match

While in a strictly regimented world we ought in principle to nerf XL missiles and remove the penalties from the siege module for them too, in practice they're not actually a problem due to the way missile damage scales against small targets. Leaving them unchanged also serves to differentiate missiles further from turrets, which might make them more useful on capitals under certain circumstances.

What is the intended role for titans?

Fleet boosters?
Logistical fleet bridging?
Anti-capital weapons?
Anti-structure weapons?
Anti-subcap blapers?

Please clarify what role the titan is meant to serve, and why it's broken.

And we have been lucky our enemy have no clue how to fly ships in eve.

i know. because you know lots about PVP
because zergling 1600 man fleet across entire region is real PVP.

the ONLY thing smaller alliances have against nonsense like this kind of a blob was until now to grow some balls and deploy trillions of ISK on the battlefield and try to even the odds.
But that's not real PVP. I know.

CCP Grayscale man... stop embarrassing yourself here saying we don't have time to really deal with this the way it should be. we have no resources for that so we going to deploy the most significant change that will most likely help remove number of alliances from the map without any serious thinking. we will finish this later when goons online is completed.
Until then all of you who spent 120bil buying and fitting a tit go and spend 30bil more so you can get your lock time to around 45 sec.
Its just disrespectful.

Selling early tickets for the "nerf tracking dreads and sentry carriers" bandwagon, get on quick while team goon are too smug to notice.

Fatcats and Slowcats, thy day has come.

blablabla
goonie saying non goon titan pilots do RMT
blablabla

Sentry carriers are fine

annoying but fine

This is amazing for anyone who believes that sov warfare should not just be for whoever can bring the most titans to a fight.

Not just us.

Tell me goonie, where is all the money your alliance has earned in all these years? Our isk has been transformed into the titans we field but what about yours? Oh sorry, I know, you have no clue about what your leadership does with the isk and you are not able of think for yourself... Anyway you can repit that RMT song forever if it makes you happy.