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Pesadel0
the muppets RED.OverLord
28
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:06:00 -
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Revii Lagoon wrote:Pesadel0 wrote:Man CCP you really do know hot to stir **** up, isn't the tracking nerf all that is necessary? i mean tracking titans have poor tank already, the signture is fail nerf and so is the locking 3 foes,.
And to the goons saying that tracking titans can hit titans well , learn to tengu bros, it might help. Obviously you haven't seen 30 tracking titans vs tengus. PL did that in an earlier battle over C-J6MT and, well obliterated the -A- tengu fleet.
>Link fleet please , because i was there and i dint saw 1 single titan i only saw the slowcats on grid and i was in a tengu .
What i remember was you(goons) coming in in drakes and getting rapped by bombs then got raped again by tengus , so \0/ |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2481
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:07:00 -
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BioZvin wrote:Andski wrote:BioZvin wrote:Might be insignificant, but how many the players in eve have the titans as their goal in EVE. I know I did. "Titans should stay overpowered so that pubbies can dream about them as they mine veldspar in highsec" Otherwise make it cost the same as a drake, it is about 60bil to build and 6 weeks in a POS building time. But I guess you didn't know.
yes because drakes are just as useful as titans
get over yourself, your alliance continued the BoB policy of herding as many high-skillpoint players as possible instead of providing content for new players, and it's coming back to bite you in the ass (again, again and again) "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Dr Ngo
JESUS CHRIST IT'S A LION GET IN THE CAR WE FORM VOLTRON
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:10:00 -
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The metamorphasis is complete: Mittani is the new Molle
Enjoy your new fuzzy pink hat. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2481
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:10:00 -
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Pesadel0 wrote:Revii Lagoon wrote:Pesadel0 wrote:Man CCP you really do know hot to stir **** up, isn't the tracking nerf all that is necessary? i mean tracking titans have poor tank already, the signture is fail nerf and so is the locking 3 foes,.
And to the goons saying that tracking titans can hit titans well , learn to tengu bros, it might help. Obviously you haven't seen 30 tracking titans vs tengus. PL did that in an earlier battle over C-J6MT and, well obliterated the -A- tengu fleet. >Link fleet please , because i was there and i dint saw 1 single titan i only saw the slowcats on grid and i was in a tengu . What i remember was you(goons) coming in in drakes and getting rapped by bombs then got raped again by tengus , so \0/
yes, it was a very fun fight indeed "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Gicer
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:11:00 -
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After this stunning display of wizardy and because of the lightning shooting from mittens fingers.
All Bat Country members are now required to wear goggles for eye protection. |

BooooooBeeeeeer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:12:00 -
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Why do not you show a little more than fantasy? Increase the energy requirements for the system with DD and capital guns? Reduce damage from the guns of capital? Why not make sure that DD could destroy any capital ship with a single salvo, including the Titan, or Motherships? And just to make the Titans, a special module of two types: 1) The first module allows you to install DD. BUT, with him is impossible to establish a capital gun / missile. Only the big guns. Protection systems of Titan, set the mode: the resistance of massaging damage (from the capital of guns and fighter bombers). That is, large ships such as the other Titans, motherships, dreadnoughts, will cause very little damage on Titan equipped with such a module. But! Subcapital ships will be able to destroy it, if they will be sufficient. Titan himself, with such a module and equipped with only the DD and the big guns will not be effective against subcapital ships. But, could destroy any capital ship.
2) The second module, do not indicate a DD, but allows you to set capital gun with good tracking and damage of subcapital ships. Brings the system of protection of the Titan, to the almost complete protection against attacks subcapital ships. But! Almost no protection against damage to the big guns / rocket attacks by fighter-bombers. That is, a Titan will be able to cope with a lot of subcapital ships, but will be killed, even a few dreadnoughts, or one Motherships / Titan.
Any large fleet of Titans, in any case, even if it has ships equipped with both types of module. Incur losses if their opponent is not afraid to use their capital and subcapital ships together.
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
21
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:13:00 -
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While i applaud the tracking nerf absolutely (tracking titans were broken whatever anyone claims) the max targets/scan res nerf seems very stupid. If the tracking nerf is a success then titans can barely hurt subcaps anyway so why break them against standard capitals (and structures). That part of it makes absolutely no sense. Goodbye driveby doomsdays. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
286
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:14:00 -
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BooooooBeeeeeer wrote:Any large fleet of Titans, in any case, even if it has ships equipped with both types of module. Incur losses if their opponent is not afraid to use their capital and subcapital ships together.
Do you actually see a lot of Titans in the newbie corp? |

Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
158
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:17:00 -
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Gicer wrote:After this stunning display of wizardy and because of the lightning shooting from mittens fingers.
All Bat Country members are now required to wear goggles for eye protection.
I like to think of them as our "Deal wiz it" glasses |

Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:17:00 -
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Hate to say I told you so, but I did.
Raiden. NC. and PL blobbed the hell out of Branch with their titans, still managed to lose all of the tech, and proved nothing but that the Goons were right all along.
If the titans had been used for actual combat, instead of simply stopping fights because you were losing the battle, the problems with titan tracking would not have been so obvious that CCP had to act immediately.
Titans are supposed to be for cap suppression, not PVP suppression.
Now maybe PL will have to field actual fleets and make some effort to support the alliances that they demand tech moons from, rather than simply freeload off of fail alliances that need them to bring their titans. |

bonder's
Knights of the Reclaimed Origin
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:21:00 -
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ccp grey scale obvious goon
Y U NO NERF DRAKES/TENGU/ALPHA and everything else that is crap that is blobbed together to make things work |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5483
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:24:00 -
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Ikoma Sunblazer wrote:You don't get it. I would like to discuss CCP Greyscale's argument about sensor boosters here. GǪand the armour titans have to give up slots (or not) for them just like the shield titans do. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:25:00 -
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Ra Death wrote:I'm almost at a loss of words here. Almost, therefore I am going to speak my mind.
So now capitals are basically structure grinding machines and you only deploy them if you have something to grind down or if someone else is grinding stuff down and you catch someone else grinding down something. This is not a solution, this is a plaster for a symptom. There is now ZERO reason to deploy supercapitals except to grind down a structure. Do you really want structure grinding to become the motivator for people to build and create supercapitals in EVE? I mean, I don't believe you have thought at all about the consequences of these changes.
EVE is now effectively sectioned off into two tier combat systems. Capital combat and sub-capital combat. The difference is, capitals cannot touch sub-capitals, but sub-capitals can, in the numbers that are brought at the moment, almost 1-3 volley capitals. The titans were a workaround for that because numbers were no longer the only deciding factor, your playing time, your assets and your skillpoints actually played a role. Now we are going back to a time again where the only effective tool, a VERY limited tool might I add, against blobbing is a damn stealth bomber. No more force projection by taking advantage of the many years you have spent in the game and the money you have pooled into a titan, you are better off selling off said titan and joining the nearest Maelstrom fleet.
What am I meant to aspire for in EVE in terms of combat? What is my incentive for actually training all these skills. To fly the next flavour of the month subcapital ship?
EVE is now a numbers game when there is a large effort to remove counters for large fleets. If this is the direction we're going, we're going to see a bipolar political landscape because being a small alliance, you can now only exist if you are a part of the inevitable two powerblocks that will come to dominate EVE. If you can't match the numbers, too bad... join or die.
Let's get a rethink of the roles of supercapitals and not a temporary plaster that will reduce supercapitals to nothing but ihub and station grinders. THIS! THIS! THIS!
Could Greyscale comment this post please? |

Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
451
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:33:00 -
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To the people complaining about the various blobbing fleets(omg 150 maels can alpha stuff) you do know those fleets need more than 1 ship type to work, right? Alphafleet calls for more than maels and scimis, for instance, and dies horribly without that support. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
40
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:34:00 -
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The fact that 95% of the people against the nerf are dribbling retards really rams home that this was the right move.
My only sympathy is that I agree they should have never let it become a problem that needed to be hammered down like this in the first place, but that doesn't change the fact that it had to be done.
May the blessings of the Great Worm, God Emperor Mittani, be upon you all. |

Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:36:00 -
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What a beauty this thread is |

Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:37:00 -
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Seriously, i've read the whole thing twice already |

Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:37:00 -
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we're great and you all suck |

TruthState
Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:39:00 -
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Eve Online |

Killerhound
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:42:00 -
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Since I have not read the consequences of those changes so far, let me introduce some details to you:
Using the formula T = 40000/(X*(arcsinh(y)) for the Time to lock a target and the planified changes the current Locking time of Titan vs Titan:
(no skills added, using ragnarok as reference)
TITAN locks TITAN: 73 Seconds
For a heavy Fight situation, with 10x Timedilation this means:
TITAN locks TITAN: 730 Seconds / 12 mins 10 sec
Same situation to lock a carrier:
TITAN locks TITAN: 106 Seconds
For a heavy Fight situation, with 10x Timedilation this means:
TITAN locks TITAN: 1060 Seconds / 17 Min 40 Sec
Add a Cormacks sensor booster and you can remove around 1/3. Adding more of those sensor booster well its not linear but you see where its going.
Just my 2 cents feel free to think about those numbers what you want. |

Lili Lu
189
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:43:00 -
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Ok. You've performed an amputation and bandaged one class of problem ships. Would be nice if you had been more surgical about it. And your field remedy as you admit will cause some more damage necessitating later surgery.
However, the Drake, Tengu, and heavy missile and large arty alpha problems are still there in game.
Why the relatively impulsive hack saw for titans and still no fix the later? Where, particularly for the Drake, the problem has festered so long past the original injury it no longer just smells bad but now is toxic to the entire body. Please saw away at the Drake. Come on CCP you know you want to see the veritable ocean of tears. I do  |

Preeeeemo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:48:00 -
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hahahahaha |

Arkon Hjallian
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:55:00 -
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Damn, I need a bigger jar, this one is already full of delicious titan pilot tears. |

John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:58:00 -
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Nomad I wrote:It's a great patch, because Titans became a role to destroy capitals not subcaps. A Titan pilot now needs a better support fleet.
Nope, since a Titan does not need any support inside pos shields. |

Lord Fargo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:59:00 -
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Another cultural victory :smug: |

Venus Vermillion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
412
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:59:00 -
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ABLOOBLOOBLOO!1!!111!
I spent thousands of real dollars to buy a titan and a character to fly it and I can't win the game! THIS IS NOT FAIR!
EVE SHOULD NOT BE A NUMBERS GAME!111!!!
(Dollars aren't numbers) |

Carmen de Mairena
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 16:59:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Titan pilots make up .2% of the player population, if we assume 350k players and ~730 titans according to Diagoras' tweets.
According to the last CSM results you were elected CSM Chairman thanks to the votes of 5,365 people, which is 1.53% of the EVE population.
Such an overwhelming majority should indeed allow you to mold the game into whatever you want.
The CSM should be a tool to improve the game for all of us. At the moment it's just a political aberration used by a selected few (who have been appointed to the positions they hold by less than 10% of the subscribers) against their traditional enemies. Anyone with a minimal perception would notice that, although it's not like you're hiding it at all. If it was a fair and reliable system, only because of that public chest beating you should never be allowed to run again for such a determinant position.
All the big recent changes have targeted the same entities. Things like the Technetium rebalancing are being set aside as now the only ones that could have changed that (the corrupt CSM) hold dozens and dozens of those moons and, after this last Titan rebalancing, they are certain they can achieve Technetium monopoly.
The real question would be: why are the developers so biased? There's only two options. Either they are extremely easily manipulable and therefore they will do whatever somoene they like tells them to do even if his intentions are absolutely evident, which is bad, or they are just being fooled by this person or group of persons, which is worse. Truth is CSM doesn't represent any relevant majority in the game, yet they get to change its core whenever they see fit to benefit the same coalition always.
It's quite disgusting and even more difficult to fix. Good luck CCP. |

Ezekiel Sulastin
Shiva Initiative Mercenaries
4
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Posted - 2012.03.13 17:01:00 -
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Arkon Hjallian wrote:Damn, I need a bigger jar, this one is already full of delicious titan pilot tears.
I think I've seen a much larger quantity of Goon :smug: than tears in my quick perusal of the thread. |

John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.13 17:03:00 -
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Nao Oikawasan wrote:Hate to say I told you so, but I did.
Raiden. NC. and PL blobbed the hell out of Branch with their titans, still managed to lose all of the tech, and proved nothing but that the Goons were right all along.
If the titans had been used for actual combat, instead of simply stopping fights because you were losing the battle, the problems with titan tracking would not have been so obvious that CCP had to act immediately.
Titans are supposed to be for cap suppression, not PVP suppression.
Now maybe PL will have to field actual fleets and make some effort to support the alliances that they demand tech moons from, rather than simply freeload off of fail alliances that need them to bring their titans.
What is cap supression? Cap supression is useless in eve. Caps are only good for structure grinding and you don't need supercaps in order to stop them from doing that because they are completely helpless against subcaps. In fact a bunch of dreads is more threat to a titan than it is to a drake. |

Temmu Guerra
Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
42
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Posted - 2012.03.13 17:05:00 -
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John Maynard Keynes wrote:Ra Death wrote:I'm almost at a loss of words here. Almost, therefore I am going to speak my mind.
So now capitals are basically structure grinding machines and you only deploy them if you have something to grind down or if someone else is grinding stuff down and you catch someone else grinding down something. This is not a solution, this is a plaster for a symptom. There is now ZERO reason to deploy supercapitals except to grind down a structure. Do you really want structure grinding to become the motivator for people to build and create supercapitals in EVE? I mean, I don't believe you have thought at all about the consequences of these changes.
EVE is now effectively sectioned off into two tier combat systems. Capital combat and sub-capital combat. The difference is, capitals cannot touch sub-capitals, but sub-capitals can, in the numbers that are brought at the moment, almost 1-3 volley capitals. The titans were a workaround for that because numbers were no longer the only deciding factor, your playing time, your assets and your skillpoints actually played a role. Now we are going back to a time again where the only effective tool, a VERY limited tool might I add, against blobbing is a damn stealth bomber. No more force projection by taking advantage of the many years you have spent in the game and the money you have pooled into a titan, you are better off selling off said titan and joining the nearest Maelstrom fleet.
What am I meant to aspire for in EVE in terms of combat? What is my incentive for actually training all these skills. To fly the next flavour of the month subcapital ship?
EVE is now a numbers game when there is a large effort to remove counters for large fleets. If this is the direction we're going, we're going to see a bipolar political landscape because being a small alliance, you can now only exist if you are a part of the inevitable two powerblocks that will come to dominate EVE. If you can't match the numbers, too bad... join or die.
Let's get a rethink of the roles of supercapitals and not a temporary plaster that will reduce supercapitals to nothing but ihub and station grinders. THIS! THIS! THIS! Could Greyscale comment this post please?
Quoting again for CCP to see this. Btw does anyone notice that about 95% of the people cheering on this nerf are part of CFC?
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