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Mike712
BattleClinic
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:25:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:Mike712 wrote:Courthouse wrote:Mike712 wrote:So goons fly blobs of 2 LSE perma MWDing drakes(read massive sig, in fact as big as a carrier) against titans for 2 months to make them look OP, then titans get nerfed.
Good job goons/mittens now you should have the upper hand against a foe who you greatly outnumber.... Counterpoint: You're from battleclinic and thus have zero idea what you're talking about when it comes to PVP in EVE Online. lol, you couldn't be more wrong, all of the battleclinic mods are PvPers. I've seen your website. I'm certain that I'm not.
BattleClinic's main aim is to help rookie pilots, just because I devote a large part of my spare time to helping people with their mission fits dose not infer that I know nothing about PvP, it's simply that I enjoy educating people on basic ship fitting and that's where a part of my enjoyment of eve comes from.
Regards,
Mike712
The BattleClinic Team
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Vibesz
Dynamic Horizon
1
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:25:00 -
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Ohhh I forgot, capitals were not allowed to kill subcaps.
Silly me. |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club
BLACK-MARK
38
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:25:00 -
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conqueror2006 wrote:CCP
YOU KEEP DOING WHAT GOONS WANT.
THIS GAME IS REACHING THE END.
FOR ME YOU WILL NEVER RECEIVE ONE MORE PERSON.
AND I THINK IS TIME TO THINKING IN LEAVE THIS GAME, BECAUSE IS NOT A CLEAN GAME.
I HOPE EVEYONE STOP PLAYING THIS GAME, AND YOU CAN KEEP WITH YOUR FRIENDS.
Its called balancing MMORPG game bro. Stick with friends and have some fun with sub-caps battle ! Cheers !
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Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
93
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:25:00 -
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Greyscale i forgive you for whatever you did to offend me in the past so that i hated you for being ginger. |
Markus Schulz
OEG
Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:27:00 -
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In a now moment - there's nothing to resist from a "titan's sphere". If u don't have the same "titan's sphere".
Good job, love CCP.
More good fights with subcaps.
No imba's.
No more 80 lvl paladins in eve like "titan's sphere".
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If u wanna fight with subcap blob - call ur friends to fight with u. Everything is simple.
<3 peace |
Jannarious White
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
11
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:27:00 -
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DelightSucker wrote:Congratz CCP you just made sure that Numbers is all in EVE again.
way to **** up your own game.
It already was a numbers game: number of tracking Titans vs Subcaps.
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Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
266
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:28:00 -
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Tetania wrote:Congrats Mittens you won again. Unfortunately I think you were on the wrong side this time.
The problem of Titans vs Subcaps is not what it has been made out to be. This is a great change for the CFC but bad for the game.
This will only happen this once but Grath is right.
A nicely fit BS with AC or Pulses could shred cruisers 5 years ago. A titan shredding Drakes with 2 LSE2s and a MWD is no different. It just requires the correct solution, which we for whatever reason were not prepared to deploy. But we've now done an end run around that pesky game mechanic.
Sorry eve.
Wildly Inappropriate, lol. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core
Fatal Ascension
449
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:29:00 -
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Sikhtar wrote:+1 , good changes. Subcap blapping titans were an anomaly in a game designed to match certain ships as counters to other ships.
Also confirming the ME3 ending could easily be adapted to show Mittanis smugness radiating out over the whole galaxy at this point.
Spoilers, dude!!!!!
Also, YAY4TITANS!!!!! 
Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2399
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:30:00 -
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Tetania wrote:Grath is right.
the guy who unironically makes WW2 analogies and honestly believes that 200 dreads are easily sourced off the market is right
send us a postcard from Native Freshfood when you're there!
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
xUnlimitedx
Elite Aeronautic Developer Syndicate
Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:30:00 -
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Markus Schulz wrote:
No more 80 lvl paladins in eve.
hahahahaha |
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conqueror2006
Eternal Silence Ltd.
6
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:33:00 -
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Chi Ana wrote:conqueror2006 wrote:CCP
YOU KEEP DOING WHAT GOONS WANT.
THIS GAME IS REACHING THE END.
FOR ME YOU WILL NEVER RECEIVE ONE MORE PERSON.
AND I THINK IS TIME TO THINKING IN LEAVE THIS GAME, BECAUSE IS NOT A CLEAN GAME.
I HOPE EVEYONE STOP PLAYING THIS GAME, AND YOU CAN KEEP WITH YOUR FRIENDS.
can i haz your titan ?
TITAN what is that, maybe a strage word in a dicionary.
no drones - can-¦t kill even one simple ship
no weapons - yes no weapons, if they can-¦t kill solo one simple dictor, nwo with this nerf, never again
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CAN CCP EXPLAIN TO PLAYERS WHY
HAD PEOPLE SPENT TOO MUTCH TIME
- skiling ...
- spending bilions in skills
- spending years of training
- if one IBIS CAN KILL and ONE TITAN NO
AND KNOW IS f................ the playerS with all this wish to some guys.
IS BETTER SOME GUYS START AND LEARN HOW TO PLAY A GAME, IF NOT THERE IS OTHER KIND OF GAMES
TO THAT PERSONS.
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Triskian
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:35:00 -
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Markus Schulz wrote:
No more 80 lvl paladins in eve like "titan's sphere".
What about feral druids? |
SuperBeastie
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
45
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:36:00 -
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Titans reduced to 3 maximum locked targets, and base scan resolution reduced to 5
it takes a ship with 11.1 scan res 54 seconds to lock a dread. yep that makes sense! |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2399
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:36:00 -
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conqueror2006 wrote:no weapons - yes no weapons, if they can-¦t kill solo one simple dictor, nwo with this nerf, never again
Let's just get something out of the way here: are you saying that titans should be able to effectively solo one of the only two hulls that can tackle them? Do you have any idea how game balancing works?
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
xUnlimitedx
Elite Aeronautic Developer Syndicate
Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:36:00 -
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conqueror2006 wrote:Chi Ana wrote:conqueror2006 wrote:CCP
YOU KEEP DOING WHAT GOONS WANT.
THIS GAME IS REACHING THE END.
FOR ME YOU WILL NEVER RECEIVE ONE MORE PERSON.
AND I THINK IS TIME TO THINKING IN LEAVE THIS GAME, BECAUSE IS NOT A CLEAN GAME.
I HOPE EVEYONE STOP PLAYING THIS GAME, AND YOU CAN KEEP WITH YOUR FRIENDS.
can i haz your titan ? TITAN what is that, maybe a strage word in a dicionary. no drones - can-¦t kill even one simple ship no weapons - yes no weapons, if they can-¦t kill solo one simple dictor, nwo with this nerf, never again ........ CAN CCP EXPLAIN TO PLAYERS WHY HAD PEOPLE SPENT TOO MUTCH TIME - skiling ... - spending bilions in skills - spending years of training - if one IBIS CAN KILL and ONE TITAN NO AND KNOW IS f................ the playerS with all this wish to some guys. IS BETTER SOME GUYS START AND LEARN HOW TO PLAY A GAME, IF NOT THERE IS OTHER KIND OF GAMES TO THAT PERSONS.
Everything ok bro?
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RaGodofTheSun
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:37:00 -
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conqueror2006 wrote:CCP
YOU KEEP DOING WHAT GOONS WANT.
THIS GAME IS REACHING THE END.
FOR ME YOU WILL NEVER RECEIVE ONE MORE PERSON.
AND I THINK IS TIME TO THINKING IN LEAVE THIS GAME, BECAUSE IS NOT A CLEAN GAME.
I HOPE EVEYONE STOP PLAYING THIS GAME, AND YOU CAN KEEP WITH YOUR FRIENDS.
Capslock, because this is super serious!
Can I have your isk on the way out? |
Gertrud ToD
Terrorists of Dimensions
Electric Monkey Overlords
1
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:38:00 -
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limiting the amount of targets titans can lock, raising the locking time... there is only one counter that supercap heavy alliances can do to that: bring more titans.
the tracking nerf can easy be countered by having more RR (super) carriers arround to deal with the smaller stuff, while the set of a titan blob will stop hostiles from fielding capitals all together.
maybe i just don't get the plan behind this |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2400
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:40:00 -
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Gertrud ToD wrote:limiting the amount of targets titans can lock, raising the locking time... there is only one counter that supercap heavy alliances can do to that: bring more titans.
the tracking nerf can easy be countered by having more RR (super) carriers arround to deal with the smaller stuff, while the set of a titan blob will stop hostiles from fielding capitals all together.
maybe i just don't get the plan behind this
So you're saying that titans might just need a support fleet? What a strange and alien concept in this EVE Online game~
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
vikari
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company
Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:40:00 -
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conqueror2006 wrote:
Something, something, something that isn't easily understood without reading it five times.
So what you're saying is it's better for CCP and the Eve community that a group of 20 Titans can destroy a 250 man subcap fleet? I respect those that skilled for the Titan, hell I did it myself. However I know sure as well that the enjoyment of 20 people at the expense of a 250 individuals is not good mechanics. It isn't good business strategy either. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5468
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:41:00 -
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Excellent.
Based on the incoherence of those who disagree with this change, I can only conclude that it's a good change. 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
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Gertrud ToD
Terrorists of Dimensions
Electric Monkey Overlords
1
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:42:00 -
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ccp error page tricked me in posting twice! |
Ikoma Sunblazer
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:43:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote: The scan res number is balanced around multiple Cormack's sensor boosters, on the assumption that money is not a limiting factor for titan pilots, and therefore that people will shell out for officer SBs if that lets them continue do this kind of thing.
All things aside, this is a pretty hilarious assumption that doesn't make sense in context. With a base sensor strength of 5, you are talking about a few seconds difference between t2 and cormack out of a probable minute+ lock time.
Well worth the 4b+ sensor booster imo 
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Ra Death
Saevos Aviation
Saevos Aviation LLC
5
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:44:00 -
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I'm almost at a loss of words here. Almost, therefore I am going to speak my mind.
So now capitals are basically structure grinding machines and you only deploy them if you have something to grind down or if someone else is grinding stuff down and you catch someone else grinding down something. This is not a solution, this is a plaster for a symptom. There is now ZERO reason to deploy supercapitals except to grind down a structure. Do you really want structure grinding to become the motivator for people to build and create supercapitals in EVE? I mean, I don't believe you have thought at all about the consequences of these changes.
EVE is now effectively sectioned off into two tier combat systems. Capital combat and sub-capital combat. The difference is, capitals cannot touch sub-capitals, but sub-capitals can, in the numbers that are brought at the moment, almost 1-3 volley capitals. The titans were a workaround for that because numbers were no longer the only deciding factor, your playing time, your assets and your skillpoints actually played a role. Now we are going back to a time again where the only effective tool, a VERY limited tool might I add, against blobbing is a damn stealth bomber. No more force projection by taking advantage of the many years you have spent in the game and the money you have pooled into a titan, you are better off selling off said titan and joining the nearest Maelstrom fleet.
What am I meant to aspire for in EVE in terms of combat? What is my incentive for actually training all these skills. To fly the next flavour of the month subcapital ship?
EVE is now a numbers game when there is a large effort to remove counters for large fleets. If this is the direction we're going, we're going to see a bipolar political landscape because being a small alliance, you can now only exist if you are a part of the inevitable two powerblocks that will come to dominate EVE. If you can't match the numbers, too bad... join or die.
Let's get a rethink of the roles of supercapitals and not a temporary plaster that will reduce supercapitals to nothing but ihub and station grinders. |
Sethur Blackcoat
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:44:00 -
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Gertrud ToD wrote:limiting the amount of targets titans can lock, raising the locking time... there is only one counter that supercap heavy alliances can do to that: bring more titans.
the tracking nerf can easy be countered by having more RR (super) carriers arround to deal with the smaller stuff, while the set of a titan blob will stop hostiles from fielding capitals all together.
maybe i just don't get the plan behind this
confirming that the only solution to nerfed supercaps is bringing more supercaps
i mean supercaps are the max level ships if everyone in your gang is flying them you should be able to win every fight
after all we're not scrubs who can only fly subcaps, ugh, plebians disgust me |
SuperBeastie
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
45
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:44:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:
The scan res number is balanced around multiple Cormack's sensor boosters
if we are going to balance ships that way now can we do it with all ships because as long as there are people with tons of isk ships will get fit crazy. THIS IS THE MOST HALF ASSED THING CCP HAS EVER CAME UP WITH. I'm saying this know full well that it will give test and goons the upper hand over all entity's smaller than us. |
Gertrud ToD
Terrorists of Dimensions
Electric Monkey Overlords
1
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:45:00 -
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Andski wrote:Gertrud ToD wrote:limiting the amount of targets titans can lock, raising the locking time... there is only one counter that supercap heavy alliances can do to that: bring more titans.
the tracking nerf can easy be countered by having more RR (super) carriers arround to deal with the smaller stuff, while the set of a titan blob will stop hostiles from fielding capitals all together.
maybe i just don't get the plan behind this So you're saying that titans might just need a support fleet? What a strange and alien concept in this EVE Online game~
usually supercaps are fielded with support, and if you guys would field some, you would know :p |
Tetania
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:45:00 -
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Andski wrote:Tetania wrote:Grath is right. the guy who unironically makes WW2 analogies and honestly believes that 200 dreads are easily sourced off the market is right send us a postcard from Native Freshfood when you're there!
When we fought BoB dread fleets with BS we didn't source those off the market.
The way eve has always worked is that you can have a small number of people with big expensive toys vs a large number of people with cheaper toys or better logistics and win. Goons have historically done the latter. We should have spent a couple of hundred bil of Tech isk to prove one way or another if Titans actually needed nerfed before pushing it through the CSM.
Our one experiment in this area went better than theory craft predicted and since then we just haven't done it again. |
Rick
The Ankou
Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:45:00 -
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Wow congratulations to CCP for making this GOONSCRYANDGETWHATTHEYWANT:Online
You have to be f**king kidding me right? the fact that a group of people are willing to bring a trillion is of hardware to a fight against a group 4 times thier number with a total worth of 100billion isk cry cos thier lack ogf ability to be able to get the bigger ships crys you go and complete F**K up this game?
I guess you really dont want my money?! and there will be alot of people that will tell you lot to go take a flying leap and start playing other games were crying like babies doesnt get you exactly what you want!...
You talked to the CSM and are happy to go about these changes?! well of course you are he the damn leader of the people who cry the most about it, you already smashed the Supercarriers to becoming nothing more than ihub shooters, and then you took the DD away from the titans (which i actually didnt care about), but no you go and halve the tracking, and make it impossible to lock anything other than a pos in any sort of fight.
Ok i agree that yes titans need balancing a little, but no where near that stupid amount. its nothing more than an expensive bridge now, and thats it. in which case you should just remove them from the game, people have spent hundred of hours saving and getting the stuff they need for thier titans and are proud to be in them, the same as they WERE in the supercarriers. and your gonna take that away from them all for the sake of a bunch of as*hats crying cos thye cant take over all of nullsec.
again congratulations and hope you realise the amount of subscriptions you are about to lose. might wanna have your devolopers start looking for new jobs.
nice way to end a good game. |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
128
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:46:00 -
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Mike712 wrote:Courthouse wrote:Mike712 wrote:Courthouse wrote:Mike712 wrote:So goons fly blobs of 2 LSE perma MWDing drakes(read massive sig, in fact as big as a carrier) against titans for 2 months to make them look OP, then titans get nerfed.
Good job goons/mittens now you should have the upper hand against a foe who you greatly outnumber.... Counterpoint: You're from battleclinic and thus have zero idea what you're talking about when it comes to PVP in EVE Online. lol, you couldn't be more wrong, all of the battleclinic mods are PvPers. I've seen your website. I'm certain that I'm not. BattleClinic's main aim is to help rookie pilots, just because I devote a large part of my spare time to helping people with their mission fits dose not infer that I know nothing about PvP, it's simply that I enjoy educating people on basic ship fitting and that's where a part of my enjoyment of eve comes from.
That's nice, honey. Don't talk when the adults are having a conversation. Play with your toy over there for a bit and we'll get you an ice cream when we get home. |
Pallidum Treponema
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
47
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:46:00 -
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This is a typical knee-jerk reaction to the symptoms of a problem rather than finding a solution for the cause.
Let's look at the facts, shall we?
Titans can track subcaps if:
1, the subcaps have high signature (IE, battleships, tanked drakes etc)
OR
2, the subcaps have little or no transversal (IE, moving directly towards or away from titans, orbiting an anchor so that they will range from max to zero transversal)
Additionally, most titan kills of subcaps occur once said titans are configured for max tracking. Without tracking mods, IE fully configured for tank, titans have trouble tracking even battleships that perform properly.
It can also be argued that all fleets so far that have engaged titans and lost have done it wrong; IE, fielded high signature ships (maelstroms, drakes) at perfect titan tracking ranges. A fleet based on low-signature fast moving high-DPS ships (aka, armorhacs) would have fared far better, especially if supported by sniping oracles in order to clear away support from the tians.
Either way, let's look at the two mot obvious facts:
Titans kill subcaps with little tracking or high signature (an MWDing battleship or drake has the signature of a carrier)
Titans need to be tracking fit in order to reliably score kills on subcaps
The obvious solution here is to make tracking fits still possible, but create a far higher risk for the reward.
Change the refitting mechanics in space as follows:
* Capitals (and subcaps) can freely refit off of gang members in space with refitting capability, no more "configuring" or "max 10 ships in range". This is just annoying and pointless, and will be welcomed by any group that has capitals of any kind. It also resolves the problem of theft from capitals, as you no longer have to give out the keys to your ship maintenance bays in order to let someone refit.
* Ships can NOT refit in space, if they have aggression. This ensures that a titan that has configured for tracking at the expensve of tank is now stuck in this mode. This leaves them very vulnerable to a hotdrop by sniping subcaps, dreadnaughts or other supercapitals. This obviously also affects hit-and-run hotdrops with supercarriers or carriers, as capitals performing said hotdrops will be stuck in their cap-recharge configuration, leaving them vulnerable to traps or counter hotdrops.
* Additionally, a small adjustment to tracking or scan res may be in order. Make the adjustments, see how it plays out. If necessary make additional small adjustments. Knee-jerk reactions are overblown and often far overreaching their desired goals.
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