Every single modification they've done to titans has been to reduce or remove their ability to impact subcap fleets. AOE DD? gone. DD's no longer work on subcaps? done. Tracking nerfed? Now that's done too.

The whole point everybody is missing is that you need to stop using these broken hulls as crutches because they were never meant for this role. They were never supposed to be doing what you've used them for and my biggest regret is they let it go this long so people felt like they had to have them in order to be successful. That said it was made clear this is a temporary stopgap fix because they see, like we've been screaming about for ages, that the hull is broken and being used in a role it wasn't meant for. They are going to design a new role for the hull then figure out mechanics to support the hull instead of what we have now which is some dumbo's idea to have a big honkin ship in the game without considering what would happen once you have a thousand big honkin ships.

So stop trying to come up with cute ways to somehow recapture the old glory. Titans weren't meant for subcap warfare, they are capital killers. If you are 300 dudes with multiple accounts crying that you won't be able to punch way above your station to take on 50,000 dudes maybe you should select objectives more appropriate for your size or maybe you can make some friends.

Does ccp not seem to realize that there are only currently 2 ways to counter a vastly numerically Superior force? 1 bombers which die in droves but have some chance but generally arnt that effective in killing 1000 dudes with 200. and the titan blob.

i don't have the issue with the titan nerf itself and am looking forward to see that they do with the new role, but i think if they are going to do that they need to do it not just nerf them. also your hyperbole dosnt address my point of if one side is willing to field 10 to 100 times the isk of the other side they should have the potential to win(not garented to win bc numbers are an important factor just the potential). in doing a stop gap rushed patch like this they make quantity everything and quality mostly useless. that is my issue with it.

Does ccp not seem to realize that there are only currently 2 ways to counter a vastly numerically Superior force? 1 bombers which die in droves but have some chance but generally arnt that effective in killing 1000 dudes with 200. and the titan blob.

Tell me, how would you kill 25 titans?

I'm almost at a loss of words here. Almost, therefore I am going to speak my mind.

So now capitals are basically structure grinding machines and you only deploy them if you have something to grind down or if someone else is grinding stuff down and you catch someone else grinding down something. This is not a solution, this is a plaster for a symptom. There is now ZERO reason to deploy supercapitals except to grind down a structure. Do you really want structure grinding to become the motivator for people to build and create supercapitals in EVE? I mean, I don't believe you have thought at all about the consequences of these changes.

EVE is now effectively sectioned off into two tier combat systems. Capital combat and sub-capital combat. The difference is, capitals cannot touch sub-capitals, but sub-capitals can, in the numbers that are brought at the moment, almost 1-3 volley capitals. The titans were a workaround for that because numbers were no longer the only deciding factor, your playing time, your assets and your skillpoints actually played a role. Now we are going back to a time again where the only effective tool, a VERY limited tool might I add, against blobbing is a damn stealth bomber. No more force projection by taking advantage of the many years you have spent in the game and the money you have pooled into a titan, you are better off selling off said titan and joining the nearest Maelstrom fleet.

What am I meant to aspire for in EVE in terms of combat? What is my incentive for actually training all these skills. To fly the next flavour of the month subcapital ship?

EVE is now a numbers game when there is a large effort to remove counters for large fleets. If this is the direction we're going, we're going to see a bipolar political landscape because being a small alliance, you can now only exist if you are a part of the inevitable two powerblocks that will come to dominate EVE. If you can't match the numbers, too bad... join or die.

Let's get a rethink of the roles of supercapitals and not a temporary plaster that will reduce supercapitals to nothing but ihub and station grinders.

[quote=The Mittani]Titan pilots make up .2% of the player population, if we assume 350k players and ~730 titans according to Diagoras' tweets.

Tell me, how would you kill 25 titans?

i don't have the issue with the titan nerf itself and am looking forward to see that they do with the new role, but i think if they are going to do that they need to do it not just nerf them. also your hyperbole dosnt address my point of if one side is willing to field 10 to 100 times the isk of the other side they should have the potential to win(not garented to win bc numbers are an important factor just the potential). in doing a stop gap rushed patch like this they make quantity everything and quality mostly useless. that is my issue with it.

This is indeed an interesting change to the game, good luck with keeping your job once the amount of accounts drop because of boredom and what follows when you allow for one big power block to control all of EVE.

THIS! THIS! THIS!

Could Greyscale comment this post please?