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        |  Selinate
 
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       | Posted - 2012.03.25 04:01:00 -
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 Terminal Insanity wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:You are just pissed that you didn't get your kill He didnt get DC"d. He jumped into a gatecamp and closed the game to avoid death, successfuly. Its stupid as ****. You shouldnt be allowed to just close your client to avoid death. That simple. If you disconnect a lot, perhaps you should get a better ISP or computer. The game works perfectly fine for me. I idle 2 accounts almost 23/7 and RARELY (once a month?) get disconnected.The server is in London and i'm in Toronto, Canada. The other side of the planet . 
 Mongolia/China iis on the other side of the world for you, not so much London....
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        |  RougeOperator
 Autocannons Anonymous
 Late Night Alliance
 
 167
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 04:28:00 -
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 Alicia Fermi wrote:Seriously, bring more damage -- solves so many problems. This is akin to crying about docking games. 
 
 Secondly I think the impetus should be on the freighter pilot to being more people to GUARD him. Not the other way around.
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        |  non judgement
 Without Fear
 Flying Burning Ships Alliance
 
 748
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 06:59:00 -
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 RougeOperator wrote:I can't wait to see this happen...If Yes I unsub my accounts. Cause thats utter crap. 
 How long do we have to wait until you unsub?
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        |  RougeOperator
 Autocannons Anonymous
 Late Night Alliance
 
 169
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 07:11:00 -
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 non judgement wrote:RougeOperator wrote:If Yes I unsub my accounts. Cause thats utter crap. 
 I can't wait to see this happen... How long do we have to wait until you unsub? 
 
 Three months cause I resubbed just before this crap happened. Just when i thought they were on the right track I figured id resub. Again CCP gets my money only to let me down a few days later.
 
 Just waiting for them to be done with fanfest to get an answer i guess.
 
 Also guy admitted he did it on purpose in local to us today.
 
 Clear broken exploit is broken.
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        |  non judgement
 Without Fear
 Flying Burning Ships Alliance
 
 748
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 07:23:00 -
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 RougeOperator wrote:non judgement wrote:RougeOperator wrote:If Yes I unsub my accounts. Cause thats utter crap. 
 I can't wait to see this happen... How long do we have to wait until you unsub? Three months cause I resubbed just before this crap happened. Just when i thought they were on the right track I figured id resub. Again CCP gets my money only to let me down a few days later.  Just waiting for them to be done with fanfest to get an answer i guess.  Also guy admitted he did it on purpose in local to us today.  Clear broken exploit is broken. If the exploit is broken, does that mean it isn't an exploit anymore? Because it has to be a working for it to be an exploit?
 But enough of that...
 
 
 CCP talked a lot about this back when they first changed the logoff mechanic. So a ship stays 15minutes after the last aggression against it(?) Instead of only 15 minutes after logging off.
 
 Everyone has known that if you log off before someone aggresses you then you only have 1 minute. It has always been like this, as far as I remember.
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        |  Xen Solarus
 Inner 5phere
 
 24
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 07:40:00 -
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 Did you consider the possibility that he might have been logged because of some other reason, such as a loss of internet connection? If he hasn't been shot at before he disconnects, then its working as intended, preventing people from getting pwned from a random disconnect. Changing the mechanic that prevents this possibility just so you can get more easy kills is just silly.
 
 If your annoyed you couldn't kill him in one minute, then you need more guns! Or better yet, wait for him to come back. Even if he did it on purpose, changing it would effect everyone that is logged for any reason! That, would be terrible, and would effect people far more than just people looking for easy kills.
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        |  RougeOperator
 Autocannons Anonymous
 Late Night Alliance
 
 169
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 07:59:00 -
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 Xen Solarus wrote:Did you consider the possibility that he might have been logged because of some other reason, such as a loss of internet connection? If he hasn't been shot at before he disconnects, then its working as intended, preventing people from getting pwned from a random disconnect. Changing the mechanic that prevents this possibility just so you can get more easy kills is just silly. 
 If your annoyed you couldn't kill him in one minute, then you need more guns! Or better yet, wait for him to come back. Even if he did it on purpose, changing it would effect everyone that is logged for any reason! That, would be terrible, and would effect people far more than just people looking for easy kills.
 
 
 yeah having an crappy intent connection is no justification for getting out of a bad spot.
 
 get a better connection or computer.
 
 If you have a crappy comp you should not get special treatment.
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        |  Marlona Sky
 Massive PVPness
 Psychotic Tendencies.
 
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       | Posted - 2012.03.25 08:02:00 -
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 Gate camping pussies who have a scout two systems deep in each direction to warn them in case a non-gank situation presents itself, should never QQ on the forums like this.
 
 You should be ashamed of yourself!
 
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        |  Dradius Calvantia
 Creative Cookie Procuring
 Veto Corp
 
 251
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 08:13:00 -
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 You retards give pirates a bad name. This is a well documented game mechanic and has been this way for years. Everyone plays this game with the same game mechanics, and complaining about this is like freighter pilots complaining that they can not see who is one the other side of the gate before jumping. That is just the way the game works, and you need to adapt your tactics to it.
 
 Learn to play the game the way it exists and quit crying just because the game mechanics don't make things easy for you. There are plenty of ways to catch someone dumb enough to fly a freighter in low sec.
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        |  Mfume Apocal
 Origin.
 Black Legion.
 
 353
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 08:31:00 -
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 RougeOperator wrote:Worse is they dont try to make sound points on why its justified that it works this way. They only troll. 
 Defend Logoffski.
 
 I'm not trolling when I say that it's not an exploit.
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        |  Nairb Hig
 Feathered Exploration
 
 4
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 09:04:00 -
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 I'm inclined to agree with the OP.
 
 The end result clearly is not in the spirit of the log off rules, and the freighter pilot is 'exploiting' these rules to gain an unfair advantage. This seems like the most cut-and-dry example of exploiting I have seen, most of the posts defending the pilot are obviously trolling. The ones that are not put game mechanics on too high a pedestal.
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        |  Mfume Apocal
 Origin.
 Black Legion.
 
 353
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 09:13:00 -
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 You can also store your ship in a Orca or Carrier SMA to avoid a loss. This is also not an exploit.
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        |  RougeOperator
 Autocannons Anonymous
 Late Night Alliance
 
 169
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 09:22:00 -
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 Mfume Apocal wrote:You can also store your ship in a Orca or Carrier SMA to avoid a loss. This is also not an exploit. 
 
 You do know they changed that with aggression mechanics and it was considered and exploit by CCP right?
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        |  Vaal Erit
 Science and Trade Institute
 Caldari State
 
 74
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 09:31:00 -
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 Dradius Calvantia wrote:You retards give pirates a bad name. This is a well documented game mechanic and has been this way for years. Everyone plays this game with the same game mechanics, and complaining about this is like freighter pilots complaining that they can not see who is one the other side of the gate before jumping. That is just the way the game works, and you need to adapt your tactics to it. 
 Learn to play the game the way it exists and quit crying just because the game mechanics don't make things easy for you. There are plenty of ways to catch someone dumb enough to fly a freighter in low sec.
 
 This is veto corp now? Wow, you guys used to be pirates and fight in low sec. How low have you fallen in to let in some guy like this? Shocking to see how carebear veto has become, so sad.
 
 This is how the game works, but is definitely not how it should work. CCP has stated numerous times that logging off to save your ship should never be viable. There is no adapting here. I don't have a magic summon 5000 dps button and I shouldn't have to bring such a fleet everywhere I go, how boring is that. In 0.0 I can bring a bubbler and log off no longer works, but in low sec I cannot bring a bubbler and if you have a ship with enough HP, you can jump into low sec solo with a freighter/tanked bs like a moron and get away scot free.
 
 Nothing wrong with pointing out an obviously broken mechanic in the desperate attempt that CCP fix their game. Someone has to stick up for the low sec solo/small gang pirates and pvpers and if veto won't do it then I'll gladly do it.
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        |  RougeOperator
 Autocannons Anonymous
 Late Night Alliance
 
 169
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 09:34:00 -
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 Vaal Erit wrote:Dradius Calvantia wrote:You retards give pirates a bad name. This is a well documented game mechanic and has been this way for years. Everyone plays this game with the same game mechanics, and complaining about this is like freighter pilots complaining that they can not see who is one the other side of the gate before jumping. That is just the way the game works, and you need to adapt your tactics to it. 
 Learn to play the game the way it exists and quit crying just because the game mechanics don't make things easy for you. There are plenty of ways to catch someone dumb enough to fly a freighter in low sec.
 This is veto corp now? Wow, you guys used to be pirates and fight in low sec. How low have you fallen in to let in some guy like this? Shocking to see how carebear veto has become, so sad. This is how the game works, but is definitely not how it should work. CCP has stated numerous times that logging off to save your ship should never be viable. There is no adapting here. I don't have a magic summon 5000 dps button and I shouldn't have to bring such a fleet everywhere I go, how boring is that. In 0.0 I can bring a bubbler and log off no longer works, but in low sec I cannot bring a bubbler and if you have a ship with enough HP, you can jump into low sec solo with a freighter/tanked bs like a moron and get away scot free. Nothing wrong with pointing out an obviously broken mechanic in the desperate attempt that CCP fix their game. Someone has to stick up for the low sec solo/small gang pirates and pvpers and if veto won't do it then I'll gladly do it. 
 Right on the money.
 
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        |  Roime
 Shiva Furnace
 
 308
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 10:23:00 -
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 So you fail with a freighter gank and decide to post video on the public forums showing how bad you are?
 
 I'm sure CCP will change the game now.
 
 Next time wait until the ******* freighter starts to align, then decloak and point, then jump the fleet in you clueless noob moron ******.
 
 
 
 
 
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        |  Kyn Kailata
 PonyTek
 
 2
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 11:08:00 -
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 as someone already pointed out... why didnt you simply wait until he decloaked before you uncloaked your redeemer and pointed him? he would have gotten aggresion that way..
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        |  Benny Ohu
 The Lazy Dragoons
 True Apathy
 
 24
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 14:10:00 -
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 Kyn Kailata wrote:as someone already pointed out... why didnt you simply wait until he decloaked before you uncloaked your redeemer and pointed him? he would have gotten aggresion that way.. 
 He shouldn't have to. That's the point here.
 
 Logging off to save your ship is something CCP has been trying to stop. The freighter wasn't aggressed yet, no, but the fact that he logged off (assuming it wasn't a d/c here of course) shows that the pilot knew he was tarped. He didn't evade the tarp through any mechanic that was designed to let him evade it - he evaded the tarp through a mechanic designed for something else entirely, something not actually related to gameplay. Just because the logoff mechanic allows for this doesn't mean it should.
 
 The burden should not be upon the pirates to find a workaround because someone else was abusing the game.
 
 Bluh, but how would you prevent abuse like that, and protect people who genuinely disconnected or needed to walk the dog, at the same time? I don't know :(
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        |  RougeOperator
 Autocannons Anonymous
 Late Night Alliance
 
 170
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 15:08:00 -
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 Kyn Kailata wrote:as someone already pointed out... why didnt you simply wait until he decloaked before you uncloaked your redeemer and pointed him? he would have gotten aggresion that way.. 
 
 Roime wrote:So you fail with a freighter gank and decide to post video on the public forums showing how bad you are?
 I'm sure CCP will change the game now.
 
 Next time wait until the ******* freighter starts to align, then decloak and point, then jump the fleet in you clueless noob moron ******.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 He logged his character off before he de cloaked.
 
 Are you two noobs not even paying attention? Are you not able to read and comprehend what grownups are talking about?
 
 Move along let the grown ups handle this OK.
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        |  Vimsy Vortis
 Shoulda Checked Local
 Break-A-Wish Foundation
 
 403
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 15:12:00 -
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 I'm struggling to see how any reasonable person could possibly think this is good gameplay that should remain unchanged.
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        |  Dyner
 Midgard Protectorate
 
 77
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 16:11:00 -
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 Benny Ohu wrote:So how would you fix it so that the mechanic doesn't screw over Joe Average, who has to log his BS off now (in space) to get to work in the morning?
 At least you can't log out from combat any more.
 
 I agree this freighter being able to log off to avoid the OP is a bit dumb. I do not think he logged off before loading the system, though, just while he was under cloak. (Do these ships cloak after jumping, like subcaps?)
 
 
 Ships shouldn't disappear. Period.
 
 However, Capitals should have a "Station Keeping" mode, where they can't be 'bumped'. Then you can park it inside the shield of a POS and logoff and so long as the POS is still there......so is your ship.
  
 
 
 
 
 Don't fly what you can't support.
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        |  Roime
 Shiva Furnace
 
 310
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 16:25:00 -
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 RougeOperator wrote:He logged his character off before he de cloaked.
 
 Are you two noobs not even paying attention? Are you not able to read and comprehend what grownups are talking about?
 
 Move along let the grown ups handle this OK.
 
 Yes, this thread needed some adult supervisory, that's why I posted
  
 If you would not have sprung your trap too early, he would not have logged off. If you would have been familiar with the log off mechanics, you would have known that the ship disappears after one minute.
 
 Do you really suggest that if you DC in space, your ship should stay there 100% helpless for 15 minutes?
 
 
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        |  RougeOperator
 Autocannons Anonymous
 Late Night Alliance
 
 170
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 16:33:00 -
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 Roime wrote:RougeOperator wrote:He logged his character off before he de cloaked.
 
 Are you two noobs not even paying attention? Are you not able to read and comprehend what grownups are talking about?
 
 Move along let the grown ups handle this OK.
 Yes, this thread needed some adult supervisory, that's why I posted   If you would not have sprung your trap too early, he would not have logged off. If you would have been familiar with the log off mechanics, you would have known that the ship disappears after one minute.  Do you really suggest that if you DC in space, your ship should stay there 100% helpless for 15 minutes? 
 
 You miss the point where he was going to log off no matter what?
 
 That he logged off before we jumped into system?
 
 These thoughts to big for you to understand or what?
 
 I also have him bragging in local with his alt that he does it all the time. But cant post that here.
 
 Move along buddy.
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        |  RougeOperator
 Autocannons Anonymous
 Late Night Alliance
 
 170
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 16:34:00 -
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 Roime wrote:RougeOperator wrote:He logged his character off before he de cloaked.
 
 Are you two noobs not even paying attention? Are you not able to read and comprehend what grownups are talking about?
 
 Move along let the grown ups handle this OK.
 Yes, this thread needed some adult supervisory, that's why I posted   If you would not have sprung your trap too early, he would not have logged off. If you would have been familiar with the log off mechanics, you would have known that the ship disappears after one minute.  Do you really suggest that if you DC in space, your ship should stay there 100% helpless for 15 minutes? 
 
 Yup, dont fly what you cant lose.
 
 go to system with a station or your own POS if you dont want to lose you stuff.
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        |  General Aeacus
 Solar Enterprises
 
 0
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 16:34:00 -
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 RougeOperator wrote:Please do us all a favor and quit. Although, the pirate tears are refreshing...No CCP needs to state if the specific instance on the gate and Logging out before you decloaked is AS INTENDED.
 If Yes I unsub my accounts. Cause thats utter crap.
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        |  Dyner
 Midgard Protectorate
 
 78
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 16:40:00 -
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 General Aeacus wrote:RougeOperator wrote:No CCP needs to state if the specific instance on the gate and Logging out before you decloaked is AS INTENDED.
 If Yes I unsub my accounts. Cause thats utter crap.
 Please do us all a favor and quit. Although, the pirate tears are refreshing... 
 
 Greenhorns....not pirates....greenhorns.
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        |  General Aeacus
 Solar Enterprises
 
 0
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 16:51:00 -
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 I apologize, I should have watched the video before I posted.
 
 That was the most pathetic gank IGÇÖve ever witnessed.
 
 You guys take sucking to a whole new level.
 
 The game mechanics work as intended, so stfu.
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        |  Roime
 Shiva Furnace
 
 310
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 16:54:00 -
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 RougeOperator wrote:You miss the point where he was going to log off no matter what? That he logged off before we jumped into system?  These thoughts to big for you to understand or what?  I also have him bragging in local with his alt that he does it all the time. But cant post that here.  Move along buddy.  ... Quote:Do you really suggest that if you DC in space, your ship should stay there 100% helpless for 15 minutes? Yup, dont fly what you cant lose. go to system with a station or your own POS if you dont want to lose you stuff.  
 I'm starting to think you are a bit too thick for this game tbh
 
 
 
 
 
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        |  Arno Gunnarr
 Autocannons Anonymous
 Late Night Alliance
 
 12
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 17:05:00 -
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 FOWUM WOWWIERSS UNIIIIIITE AGAINS' OP
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        |  RougeOperator
 Autocannons Anonymous
 Late Night Alliance
 
 170
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.03.25 17:05:00 -
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 Roime wrote:RougeOperator wrote:You miss the point where he was going to log off no matter what? That he logged off before we jumped into system?  These thoughts to big for you to understand or what?  I also have him bragging in local with his alt that he does it all the time. But cant post that here.  Move along buddy.  ... Quote:Do you really suggest that if you DC in space, your ship should stay there 100% helpless for 15 minutes? Yup, dont fly what you cant lose. go to system with a station or your own POS if you dont want to lose you stuff.  I'm starting to think you are a bit too thick for this game tbh 
 Yeah god forbid people need to plan ahead or be accept the consequences of their choices.
 
 Go play WoW if you dont like games where you have to live with your choices and mistakes.
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