http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Logging_out

"Please note that if a player logs out of the game without an aggression timer/PvP logout timer and is shot at or aggressed in other ways before his ship disappears from space, he will not be given an aggression timer (unless the player logs in again within 15 minutes), which in turn leads to his ship disappearing exactly one minute after the time which he logged out of the game. The ship will still take damage as normal however, so if you are packing enough firepower to destroy the ship before the one minute timer is over, it will be destroyed. "

So yeah, working as intended, I guess. I suggest bringing more lazorz

It's quite possibly the lamest thing in EVE and should have been changed years ago. There's really no words to describe. It it the single lamest and most broken log off mechanic I've ever seen in a MMORPG.

CCP should be embarrassed for letting this stay in the game for so long. It's really that bad.

So how would you fix it so that the mechanic doesn't screw over Joe Average, who has to log his BS off now (in space) to get to work in the morning?

At least you can't log out from combat any more.

I agree this freighter being able to log off to avoid the OP is a bit dumb. I do not think he logged off before loading the system, though, just while he was under cloak. (Do these ships cloak after jumping, like subcaps?)

Jump gate log out to cheat on timers.

Seems pretty much like an exploit and not the intent of the rule.

Logging off to avoid timers to get away is not how this stuff is supposed to work. If it is supposed to work that way a CCP DEV better speak up and say so now.

shut up you big baby. bring more firepower

Easy, you have to do a 5-10 second log off process before your ship leaves space. You decloak and slow down during these 5-10 seconds and if you get attacked, you cancel your log off process. You know, like how camping works in every other mmorpg. Apparently every other MMORPG is hardcore while EVE is a joke.

And yes I understand there are people who crash when they jump into a gate. Too bad. I don't get invulnerability if I crash or my router drops me during pvp.

How do you know the guys' client didn't crash while trying to load system?

Why would that matter. He decided to jump to low sec. He new or should know the risks.

If you got a bad connection that's not my fault. If you got such a bad connection that it crashes when you jump to a system you deserve to have your stuff blown up.

Yeah cause 20 guys taking it to 15% hull in less then 30 seconds is not enough firepower.......


Thats clearly a ridiculous burden to put on the players.

You know what all log offs should have the 15 min rule cause this is freaking broken.

you are jus full oft fail. 10 tornados suicidegank freighters in higsec...

Yeah, it turns out, like, in lowsec, right, you know, in a real fight, or on a gate, you need this thing, right, called tanking, and if you're moving around, right, like these guys, like, you need, like, not a battleship, because it's slow as arse, like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USepJOINZKk&feature=g-u-u&context=G2a828a3FUAAAAAAAAAA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USepJOINZKk&feature=g-u-u&context=G2a828a3FUAAAAAAAAAA

Lol pirate tears.

But seriously, the guy was already logged off before you aggroed him, therefore it's working as designed according to the Wiki. He would only get the 15 min timer if pointed BEFORE logging. Exactly how do you suppose CCP should guess that someone will be attacked after logged off?

Moral of the story, keep camping until he logs back in. Oh wait, that would be work, amirite? You just want free kills.

Yeah cause that video totally shows us not working to get that kill..... Oh no wait it shows the OPPOSITE of that.

Simple you should not get the Log off timer shield if its from jumping a gate.

This is a clear exploit and not working as intended.

If CCP says its is working as intended they need to watch the video and realize they have gone off the deep end.

I challenge a dev to defend what this Freighter pilot did. It runs counter to everything that is eve and all the hype that is eve.

This is a black eye for CCP.

Yeah cause that video totally shows us not working to get that kill..... Oh no wait it shows the OPPOSITE of that.

Simple you should not get the Log off timer shield if its from jumping a gate.

This is a clear exploit and not working as intended.

If CCP says its is working as intended they need to watch the video and realize they have gone off the deep end.

I challenge a dev to defend what this Freighter pilot did. It runs counter to everything that is eve and all the hype that is eve.

This is a black eye for CCP.

Why would that matter. He decided to jump to low sec. He new or should know the risks.

If you got a bad connection that's not my fault. If you got such a bad connection that it crashes when you jump to a system you deserve to have your stuff blown up.

You really made a weak and silly point. Its a non starter.

oh. cripes im sure all of them 10+ tornados would get instapopped by lowsec gateguns in that time of 15 seconds it takes to gank that freighter (really?). or maybe they can do that allready in highsec in that same time sacrificing all the ships at same time but still getting the kill?

This wasn't a suicide gank, I get the idea it was a bit more of a roam. A target was found and a tarp set with the ships they had? (Is this right?)

Those saying the pirates were not doing it right, from what I gather it was not your standard gatecamp because the pirates had to outsmart the scout.

Regardless of that, the point is, if a freighter pilot is dumb enough to jump into a lowsec camp (or the pirates tarp him somehow), should the freighter simply be able to see them from cloak and say, "well if I just log out I have a good chance of surviving"?

This is exactly the sort of thing the 15-minute timer was implemented to stop.

This is a black eye for CCP.

I want CCP to agree with everything that I say, regardless of the valid reason why it is the way it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USepJOINZKk&feature=g-u-u&context=G2a828a3FUAAAAAAAAAA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USepJOINZKk&feature=g-u-u&context=G2a828a3FUAAAAAAAAAA


Guy jumps a freighter into low sec.

He logs out before even loading the system.

His freighter decloaks.

One of our guys point it. Thinking we have 15 min to kill it.

Warp in and start shooting it and less the a minute with only 15% hull or so left if that, it just vanishes.

If this is working as intended CCP can get bent.

From the wiki

PvP Log Off Timer (15 Minutes)

The PvP log off timer is triggered by any aggressive action a pilot takes or is taken against him. If a pilot with an active PvP log off timer logs out from the game, his ship will remain in space for at least 15 minutes afterward. If the pilot is shot again after logging off within the 15 minutes, the timer will reset to 15 minutes. This timer will renew for the capsule, should the ship be destroyed.


The wiki indicates its an exploit.

You can complain all you like but the mechanic won't get changed.

Self entitled failure beliving everything is his, fails to plan, and whines about it. News at 11!

2. Oracle having six lows, had exactly 1 mod the DCU. So, where is the damage mods?

If only the victim had a even remote chance to see the other side of the gate he wouldn't have to use this game mechanic as it currently functions. Posting in another "The game mechanics always screw me over, change them" thread.

If you have not registered aggression at the point of logoff, you will disappear as normal. This cannot be extended by post-logoff aggression.

People have already basically answered this, but to throw another reference at the OP.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=165121#post165121

No they need to specifically answer to jumping a gate and logging off while before decloak.

There is a difference between logging off getting dced while in warp while everyone can still see you and abusing a game mechanic in a way it was not intended to be used.

This is what CCP needs to answer.

Is using this mechanic in the way it was used in the video CCP sponsored. Is logging off a to avoid a fight something CCP supports.

Thats what they need to answer.

At any rate, this is just an extension of the mechanic by which already logged off players cannot be aggressed by any (to my knowledge) legitimate means. This isn't the same as extending aggression gained while still logged in. Given that allowed logged-off players to gain aggression would lead to some utterly hilarious exploits on it's own, I'm betting CCP will let this particular side-effect slide.

No F that. Kill the 1 min despawn. Its 15 min or nothing.

Logged off players cannot (legitimately) gain aggression under any circumstances. This is working as intended.

You do not want this. I assure you.

No F that. Kill the 1 min despawn. Its 15 min or nothing.

sheeesssshh...

This has been debated for centuries... What do you want ccp to do eh?

The logs won't show anything useful if a player exits game - and if it would, people would just jank out the network cable and d/cin that way.

Get over it and get more firepower instead of whining on the forums you poof

No, this is a bit too far, even if the gatecloak/logoff is stupid

If Yes I unsub my accounts. Cause thats utter crap.

If Yes I unsub my accounts.

If Yes I unsub my accounts. Cause thats utter crap.

Your stuff, may i have it please?

Should have aggressed it on the other side.

Unlucky bro.

Agress it in high sec?

Ok broski.

Your stuff, may i have it please?

Goes with me. Ill help bring down some inflation.


Awaiting CCP DEV to comment on my video proof of cheap loggoffskie tricks freighter pilots have been abusing.

You will be waiting for a long time.

Goes with me. Ill help bring down some inflation.


Awaiting CCP DEV to comment on my video proof of cheap loggoffskie tricks freighter pilots have been abusing.

Yep.

No CCP needs to state if the specific instance on the gate and Logging out before you decloaked is AS INTENDED.

If Yes I unsub my accounts. Cause thats utter crap.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Logging_out

"Please note that if a player logs out of the game without an aggression timer/PvP logout timer and is shot at or aggressed in other ways before his ship disappears from space, he will not be given an aggression timer (unless the player logs in again within 15 minutes), which in turn leads to his ship disappearing exactly one minute after the time which he logged out of the game. The ship will still take damage as normal however, so if you are packing enough firepower to destroy the ship before the one minute timer is over, it will be destroyed. "

So yeah, working as intended, I guess. I suggest bringing more lazorz

My tear cup is 1% full ... are you the 99%, OP?

QFT

Stop bitching and man up, you just sucked. Sh+»t happens.

I should not have to have ENOUGH firepower to kill things in less the a minute.

You are just pissed that you didn't get your kill

Agreed. I caught a guy's ship and he logged out. I killed the ship. I scanned his pod and pointed it with my cheetah. He logged back in and his pod E-Warped back down to his previous location before my DPS alt could warp in and kill it, completely ignoring my cheetah's point.

This was all in lowsec, so i still took security hit and didnt get my kill. Also, bubbles would not have prevented the EWarps ether... Not quite the same situation, but equally stupid.

Ships/pods simply should never disappear if they're pointed. Anything else is pretty silly, immersion-breaking, as well as denying people their earned kills.

If he genuinely got dc'd then the server would think he was still connected until his socket timedout, you would have been able to aggress him when his gatecloak expired.

This trick only works when you exit the game cleanly using control Q; the server is told immediately that the socket is closed.

It's a nonsense.

I should not have to have ENOUGH firepower to kill things in less the a minute.

It literally fly's in the face of what this game is about. Even more disturbing is the trolls trying to defend it. Worse is they dont try to make sound points on why its justified that it works this way. They only troll.

Defend Logoffski.

No you don't understand my point of view and the fact that I'm completely against the logofski mechanics.

What you see if this simple: "chat/vocal call= freighter tackled", you jump in like nerds an you rush the position, you shoot then pouf...

You are blaming CCP for your mistakes? -c'mon even high sec pussie gankers can give you a lesson to how mutch time/ships they need to take down a sip before concord starts killing ships.
If you cant, you don't deserve it anyway.

Seriously, bring more damage -- solves so many problems. This is akin to crying about docking games.

He has it set to hide passive modules.

He didnt get DC"d. He jumped into a gatecamp and closed the game to avoid death, successfuly.

Its stupid as ****. You shouldnt be allowed to just close your client to avoid death. That simple.

If you disconnect a lot, perhaps you should get a better ISP or computer. The game works perfectly fine for me. I idle 2 accounts almost 23/7 and RARELY (once a month?) get disconnected.

The server is in London and i'm in Toronto, Canada. The other side of the planet.

Seriously, bring more damage -- solves so many problems. This is akin to crying about docking games.

If Yes I unsub my accounts. Cause thats utter crap.

I can't wait to see this happen...
How long do we have to wait until you unsub?

Three months cause I resubbed just before this crap happened. Just when i thought they were on the right track I figured id resub. Again CCP gets my money only to let me down a few days later.

Just waiting for them to be done with fanfest to get an answer i guess.

Also guy admitted he did it on purpose in local to us today.

Clear broken exploit is broken.

Did you consider the possibility that he might have been logged because of some other reason, such as a loss of internet connection? If he hasn't been shot at before he disconnects, then its working as intended, preventing people from getting pwned from a random disconnect. Changing the mechanic that prevents this possibility just so you can get more easy kills is just silly.

If your annoyed you couldn't kill him in one minute, then you need more guns! Or better yet, wait for him to come back. Even if he did it on purpose, changing it would effect everyone that is logged for any reason! That, would be terrible, and would effect people far more than just people looking for easy kills.

Worse is they dont try to make sound points on why its justified that it works this way. They only troll.

Defend Logoffski.

You can also store your ship in a Orca or Carrier SMA to avoid a loss. This is also not an exploit.

You retards give pirates a bad name. This is a well documented game mechanic and has been this way for years. Everyone plays this game with the same game mechanics, and complaining about this is like freighter pilots complaining that they can not see who is one the other side of the gate before jumping. That is just the way the game works, and you need to adapt your tactics to it.

Learn to play the game the way it exists and quit crying just because the game mechanics don't make things easy for you. There are plenty of ways to catch someone dumb enough to fly a freighter in low sec.

This is veto corp now? Wow, you guys used to be pirates and fight in low sec. How low have you fallen in to let in some guy like this? Shocking to see how carebear veto has become, so sad.

This is how the game works, but is definitely not how it should work. CCP has stated numerous times that logging off to save your ship should never be viable. There is no adapting here. I don't have a magic summon 5000 dps button and I shouldn't have to bring such a fleet everywhere I go, how boring is that. In 0.0 I can bring a bubbler and log off no longer works, but in low sec I cannot bring a bubbler and if you have a ship with enough HP, you can jump into low sec solo with a freighter/tanked bs like a moron and get away scot free.

Nothing wrong with pointing out an obviously broken mechanic in the desperate attempt that CCP fix their game. Someone has to stick up for the low sec solo/small gang pirates and pvpers and if veto won't do it then I'll gladly do it.

as someone already pointed out... why didnt you simply wait until he decloaked before you uncloaked your redeemer and pointed him? he would have gotten aggresion that way..

as someone already pointed out... why didnt you simply wait until he decloaked before you uncloaked your redeemer and pointed him? he would have gotten aggresion that way..

So you fail with a freighter gank and decide to post video on the public forums showing how bad you are?

I'm sure CCP will change the game now.

Next time wait until the ******* freighter starts to align, then decloak and point, then jump the fleet in you clueless noob moron ******.

So how would you fix it so that the mechanic doesn't screw over Joe Average, who has to log his BS off now (in space) to get to work in the morning?

At least you can't log out from combat any more.

I agree this freighter being able to log off to avoid the OP is a bit dumb. I do not think he logged off before loading the system, though, just while he was under cloak. (Do these ships cloak after jumping, like subcaps?)

He logged his character off before he de cloaked.

Are you two noobs not even paying attention? Are you not able to read and comprehend what grownups are talking about?

Move along let the grown ups handle this OK.

Yes, this thread needed some adult supervisory, that's why I posted

If you would not have sprung your trap too early, he would not have logged off. If you would have been familiar with the log off mechanics, you would have known that the ship disappears after one minute.

Do you really suggest that if you DC in space, your ship should stay there 100% helpless for 15 minutes?

Yes, this thread needed some adult supervisory, that's why I posted

If you would not have sprung your trap too early, he would not have logged off. If you would have been familiar with the log off mechanics, you would have known that the ship disappears after one minute.

Do you really suggest that if you DC in space, your ship should stay there 100% helpless for 15 minutes?

No CCP needs to state if the specific instance on the gate and Logging out before you decloaked is AS INTENDED.

If Yes I unsub my accounts. Cause thats utter crap.

Please do us all a favor and quit. Although, the pirate tears are refreshing...

You miss the point where he was going to log off no matter what?

That he logged off before we jumped into system?

These thoughts to big for you to understand or what?

I also have him bragging in local with his alt that he does it all the time. But cant post that here.

Move along buddy.

...



Yup, dont fly what you cant lose.

go to system with a station or your own POS if you dont want to lose you stuff.

I'm starting to think you are a bit too thick for this game tbh

Things are getting a bit heated in this thread, so I wanted to say that while I can't give a definitive answer to the question of this behaviour changing or not, I can promise to raise it tomorrow morning with the design guys and get an answer for you.

@ Rouge,

let me try again.

1) Is logging off to save your ship lame and pansyass? Hell yes, it's for people without a pair.

2) Is is possible to prevent this while protecting people who DC or have to log off for legitimate reasons? No.

3) Is it still possible to kill someone who uses this lame tactic? Yes.


@ CCP Goliath,

One thing that could make using logoffski less feasible for conducting lame behaviour is to remove keyboard shortcut for logging off, and force a warning popup:

"You are currently in open space, and after logging off your ship will stay in space for 60 seconds- are you sure you want to do this now?"

Which defaults to "No", and no checkbox to disable this. This would mean very little extra clicking for legitimate use, but the added seconds could mean the difference between getting aggroed and successfully logoffsking to avoid death.

Things are getting a bit heated in this thread, so I wanted to say that while I can't give a definitive answer to the question of this behaviour changing or not, I can promise to raise it tomorrow morning with the design guys and get an answer for you.

Only ones complaining are those who sit on gates 23/7 hoping for kills. I for one have never had the issue with something logoffskiing when they had no aggression.

Things are getting a bit heated in this thread, so I wanted to say that while I can't give a definitive answer to the question of this behaviour changing or not, I can promise to raise it tomorrow morning with the design guys and get an answer for you.

Bull and Crap.

Tell another lie.

I doubt the guy expected his Provi to live, that's the thing. He jumped through, saw the gate camp and just closed the client. I would have done the same. I don't think it was a tactical attempt to save his ship. He just didn't want to watch it pop knowing he wasn't going to be able to do anything about it.

Nah, it's a well known tactic. I've used it myself, and had it used on me too. Closing the client isn't a rage quit, it's your last hope of getting out.

That in itself is a problem. Closing the client should NEVER be a better option than to stay in the game. It shouldn't provide safety, it should be worse (if possible) to just close the client. Especially in a situation where you know you will lose your ship (and content) closing the client shouldn't provide a glimmer of hope for you to keep it, it just doesn't make any sense...

Goliath, if you're considering raising the issue tomorrow there's only one thing that I think should be brought up. That is jumping through a gate to clear aggression. It seems like a bad mechanic to me. All too often we've had someone jump into us, we've aggressed him and had him burn back to the gate, jump through, and log off.

Because there are no ways in the game to slow people down.

You can't have it both ways. If someone is actually disconnected for a reason outside of their control, 15minutes is a death-sentence. Whereas deliberately leaving the game before you are agressed has the same effect, it could also be for a good reason, e.g. your house is being robbed, your kitchen is on fire etc. Though these are extreme examples, it should be within anyones right to logoff at anytime, and assuming you haven't been attacked, be safe in the knowledge that your ship isn't just going to sit there and get owned. In this instance, where he's doing it deliberately, you clearly needed more guns. Or you could have waited for him to come back online.

Your anger over this is obviously because in this instance, your easy kill was denied. Demanding the game mechanics be changed so you can get easier kills, whilst making any disconnect for any reason a guaranteed death is stupidity of the highest order. Breaking the game for everyone so gankers can collect more tears. Great plan!

Yea lets wait hours and hours for some guy to log on due to a mechanic that are in place in case some user got a fire in their kitchen. Great logic.

Yea lets wait hours and hours for some guy to log on due to a mechanic that are in place in case some user got a fire in their kitchen. Great logic.

You can't have it both ways. If someone is actually disconnected for a reason outside of their control, 15minutes is a death-sentence. Whereas deliberately leaving the game before you are agressed has the same effect, it could also be for a good reason, e.g. your house is being robbed, your kitchen is on fire etc. Though these are extreme examples, it should be within anyones right to logoff at anytime, and assuming you haven't been attacked, be safe in the knowledge that your ship isn't just going to sit there and get owned. In this instance, where he's doing it deliberately, you clearly needed more guns. Or you could have waited for him to come back online.

Your anger over this is obviously because in this instance, your easy kill was denied. Demanding the game mechanics be changed so you can get easier kills, whilst making any disconnect for any reason a guaranteed death is stupidity of the highest order. Breaking the game for everyone so gankers can collect more tears. Great plan!

That in itself is a problem. Closing the client should NEVER be a better option than to stay in the game. It shouldn't provide safety, it should be worse (if possible) to just close the client. Especially in a situation where you know you will lose your ship (and content) closing the client shouldn't provide a glimmer of hope for you to keep it, it just doesn't make any sense...

Let's try this another way. I am playing a 1v1 match in Starcraft 2. My opponent is down to his last SCV and I am just about to kill it, when my opponent disconnects.

EVE would record this as no win for me , no loss for my opponent and basically as if nothing has ever happened
Every other "real" competitive game on the planet records this as a win for me and a loss for my opponent

Happened to me 3 times this in my eve life with freights , petitioned the GM said working has intended.

Let's try this another way. I am playing a 1v1 match in Starcraft 2. My opponent is down to his last SCV and I am just about to kill it, when my opponent disconnects.

EVE would record this as no win for me , no loss for my opponent and basically as if nothing has ever happened
Every other "real" competitive game on the planet records this as a win for me and a loss for my opponent

ah no...because your opponent aggressed you would get a "win".. if he logged off before aggression then it is like he quit at lobby before your game even started :)

you can force a logoffski by just logging in an alt on the same account. because you have 2 people in space on one account the server disappears the non logged in character from space.

Now that, that I can see being something effective. More so with the new loader. Setting up a second client will get you a drop if it lasts more than a minute or so but if I know I am going to jump in to a low sec I can load the client before I jump, if it's camped I can log the account in and be in game before you pop any kind of ship with a tank.

This is even more messed up and more proof that the current way the timers work is incorrect.

And there is no easy button fix.
They could put in a session timer that makes you wait to log the account back in but the truth, like it or not is that most genuine deconnects happen in mission PvE. If they add a session timer, mission runners are booked, they have no option but to wait untill thier ship dies before they can log back in. From a selfish perspective you could say screw mission runners, let them lose thier ships to diconnects but really thats a road CCP won't take.

It really freaking is isnt it.

This is just mindbogglingly bad over site as far as I can tell.

If i dont have 50 guys in BCs and BSes that can tank gate guns we cant gank a freighter is what it comes down too.

Laying the trap like we did was worthless cause we had to be right there on gate from the start to make sure it died before the timer. That window of opportunity is freaking too small. Its just asinine to say the least cause it basically prevents us from setting up any traps. All your DPS must be on gate when it jumps through basically. We even avoided the scout of the guy by moving around a lot so he would feel safe enough to jump in!

Its utter rubbish that this is in game and possible.

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Also getting DCed in a mission is part of the risk. There are ships that can cover that problem if it happens. So yeah by all means screw mission runners if thats the argument you are trying to make.

The OH NO i dced argument is really a non starter and terrible standpoint. Dont play online MMOs if its that much of an issue for you. End of story.

If a ship gets disconnected before it escapes gate cloak, was it ever really there?

You are chasing ghosts and apparitions.

People should be allowed log off from the game any time they wish and it was within the game mechanic that he disappeared cause he was agressed after he logged off and you missed the kill.

If you don't like people logging off, then don't play online MMOs if its that much of an issue for you. End of story.

Stop being a baby, deal with it and move on.

Hey, did you know the forum mods can see IP addresses? I bet it looks pretty goofy to them seeing some guy talk to himself on a alt. =D

Yeah Cheating with Exploits is totally cool guys. They should never have stopped the moon goo and orca tricks cause they were totally in game things that worked according to the mechanics.

Yeah how about NO, get real.

you don't want to pvp don't play eve

Yeah Cheating with Exploits is totally cool guys. They should never have stopped the moon goo and orca tricks cause they were totally in game things that worked according to the mechanics.

Yeah how about NO, get real.

Why are you saying it's an exploit when CCP have CLEARLY said it NOT an exploit since it's normal game mechanics on what you did do and what the Freighter pilot did do?

And the fact that the Freighter is available for one minute anyways, that says he's not invinsible at all. He would die in a fire no matter what he would do if you could have used more DPS.

Things are getting a bit heated in this thread, so I wanted to say that while I can't give a definitive answer to the question of this behaviour changing or not, I can promise to raise it tomorrow morning with the design guys and get an answer for you.

People should not be allowed to log off to save their ship end of

you know at downtime it says please make yourself safe etc etc

i see lots of whiners about this but its clear that you are the ones doing it and and thast why you are disagreeing or your just that sad you like to argue

i know its hard to work around it and find a fix but it needs done i have seen peopel log off to save them selves hundreds of times over the years its used as a tatic a dev actually explained to me how a frighetr pilot done it to me

logging off and fagwarp need to be fixed you don't want to pvp don't play eve

Seems they did not know it was being used in this way. They have not decided yet. But its clearly an exploit of the rules in a way they were not intended.

He didn't by ANY means says that's an exploit with his comment, and thus, you can't say it's an exploit either.

Does this current mechanic needs to be changed?

Maybe, but calling it an exploit by current mechanics isn't right.

Maybe, but calling it an exploit by current mechanics isn't right.

It is an exploit if the end result is contrary to what what the game designers intended with the mechanic. That is why webing someone so they can't warp is an exploit but MWD+cloak is not. It is that simple really.

I said its an exploit. He said they will look at it.

CLOSE ENOUGH.

Odds are they didnt know you cheating losers were using it like this.

And exploit is when you take advantage of the rules in a way they were not intended.

This is very much and exploit.

There is 2 totally different things than calling something an exploit just because things didn't work your way than saying CCP will look into it to improve it or make it better.

I dont need their conformation to know its an Exploit. Just the fact that they have to LOOK AT IT says a lot in regards.

Even if they say its OK later. Still is an exploitation of the games mechanics.

It never stops being an exploit.

No there is this thing called warping off when you dc, you wont get killed by the rats unless your tank is really bad. Kill the rats that might point.

Also getting DCed in a mission is part of the risk. There are ships that can cover that problem if it happens. So yeah by all means screw mission runners if thats the argument you are trying to make.

The OH NO i dced argument is really a non starter and terrible standpoint. Dont play online MMOs if its that much of an issue for you. End of story.

Oh no I lost a killmail and I need to cry on the forums and make CCP fix it even if it adds a billion ISK in losses to 50% of EVE.
You are a bright one you are.

So you defend and implicitly support logoffski? even though it craps all over everything that is eve.

Good to know.

Maybe those freighter pilots will need to play the game as intended. And bring back up get through gates like they should.

If this was the other way around, would you let your freighter full of expensive stuff, get killed? Of course you wouldn't.
It's that simple.

even if it adds a billion ISK in losses to 50% of EVE.

If you undock it, it can die.

So you defend and implicitly support logoffski? even though it craps all over everything that is eve.

Good to know.

Maybe those freighter pilots will need to play the game as intended. And bring back up get through gates like they should.

How anyone can argue that the game should get safer when they lose their connection is beyond me. Unless of course, the error is between the chair and the keyboard.

Maybe those freighter pilots will need to play the game as intended. And bring back up get through gates like they should.

Be careful what you wish for.

I'd expect Kazakhstan to have better Internet reliability than the USA because their government doesn't mandate that ISP futz with your packets.

Like having the game work as it should and the way i already play it?

Im ok with that wish.

And no, the connection wasn't better than the one I have in the States (thank God for that). It was about like being on a 28.8 modem with a rat chewing on the telephone cord.

I was thinking more along the lines of "freighter pilots bringing a scout and enough backup to mess up your little gate camping fleet." I only fear such things happening because the forums will be filled with the tears of gate campers complaining how hard it is to find decent fights these days, with everyone "blobbing" like it was going out of fashion.

the only thing i see on this thread is people defending this tactic who probably use it.

this needs to be fixed. that is all

Ah, so you're not with Comcast, good to hear