You are all a bunch of crybaby biotches. No joke at all. Each and everyone of you people in EVE get made fun of, especially all you Carebearing mofos. I personally hope you all die in a fire IRL, will i say i am sorry? Nope.

If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?

If people should only be banned from the game because of in-game actions, then presumably you'd be quite happy to see him banned from future Fanfests since that's where the incident happened?

CCP's in a spot.

They really don't need additional negative press, and seeing if this thing will blow over is the logical first step. Then one of three things may happen:

CCP allows the guy to step down quietly - the mob is placated, and the Goons get over it. No dev blog needed - no press release - end of story.

CCP removes him from the CSM and issuing a temporary ban ( probably the most likely outcome ), followed by a simple clear cut statement regarding the rules. The mob is pleased, and the Goons have no leg to stand on.

CCP makes an example of him, forcibly removing him from his seat, and issuing a permanent ban along with a formal statement is another solution - albeit a more polarizing one. The mob is shocked at the severity of it, and the Goons get bent.

Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ?

Does the Fanfest have an EULA or TOS ?

Do you think somebody would get away with keeping their eve accounts if they surged up on stage and punched hillmar on the nose?

I think there are far more outcomes than those 3... 'Nothing happens' is clearly a likely outcome, however as CCP themselves have created a petition against him for player harassment we're most likely looking at either your option 2 or 3.

Do you think somebody would get away with keeping their eve accounts if they surged up on stage and punched hillmar on the nose?

Just imagine it, you about to enter fanfest...then they force you to read the 10 pages worth of EULA/TOS, all in small print. I would rather about turn and go to the local brew.

Don't think it matters what happens to his accounts as opposed to being locked up in which he wouldn't get to play those accounts anyway. Which I'm surprised there has been no legal backlash about this beyond these petty talks of EULA and TOS.

Surely that would mean he couldn't be CSM chair anymore since he wouldn't be allowed to represent the CSM at fanfest?

Yes, I see no legal basis for banning such a player from Eve Online, ordinary real-life charges aside.

CCP's in a spot.

They really don't need additional negative press, and seeing if this thing will blow over is the logical first step. Then one of three things may happen:

CCP allows the guy to step down quietly - the mob is placated, and the Goons get over it. No dev blog needed - no press release - end of story.

CCP removes him from the CSM and issuing a temporary ban ( probably the most likely outcome ), followed by a simple clear cut statement regarding the rules. The mob is pleased, and the Goons have no leg to stand on.

CCP makes an example of him, forcibly removing him from his seat, and issuing a permanent ban along with a formal statement is another solution - albeit a more polarizing one. The mob is shocked at the severity of it, and the Goons get bent.

i do not think goons will be bent ... when CCP impose perma lifetime BAN on him. who knows some one in goons might just get synapses shorted and start another icegank episode?

so goons will still be goons (i m pretty sure about that), and the entire swarm of like minded with whateva they do in EVE (scamming, griefing, etc etc).

it will merely send a strong message, that inciting/suggesting actual violence/suicide or wadeva to that degree on another player in the real physical world does not sit well with CCP, and for that matter us players as well. and for that matter any other game ...

so CCP pls do consider PERMA BAN. who knows because of this piece of good news, people might just come back to subs and replay this game ...

Somebody sends death threat to Hilmar from their home address with a dead frog inside the envelope then they are going to get banned despite the fact RL doesn't have a specific TOS / EULA. This is why the whole "fanfest isn't covered by the same rules" argument the goons have been making is completely bogus.

Let me point you at the line in the TOS that will be used to ban you.

I wonder if it's against the law in Iceland to try to recruit people to harass someone till death?

honestly Mittenz should step down as chairman but remain in the CSM...

10 k people did vote for him so he should remain but has also lost the privilige of being chairman... Personally this is a good compromise.

Jade, making a valid point will only have goons mock you, and the forum police delete your posts. I find it rather pathetic though that CCP has taken this long to investigate a segment thats recorded. Unless they can't find out where in the presentation he actually said these things, perhaps we should just point them out in a timeline for CCP.

The CSM published by CCP

Excerpt from page 20 of the linked CCP document-

CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT

any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos
by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent
exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no
exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to
uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but
should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.
____

This sounds pretty clear cut to me. Unless we don't play by these rules anymore?

"immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion"

Policies are created to insure all players are treated fairly and equally. We can't
begin making exceptions to one without eliminating the rule altogether.

What kind of publicity will EVE receive if he or any future player does commit
suicide? The media will look back on this incident and see how the company
handeled it which could open them up for future liability.

Any player regardless of alliance affiliation needs to understand the gravity of
this situation outside of the context of Eve.

This is a situation that could end Eve.

Are we still going on about this? Are you people SO butthurt by goons/mittens that you care this much? Quit trying to white knight a dude who played the oldest online sympathy card there is and just say "We hate Goons and Mittens and we want them all gone". By this point you are doing NOTHING for the community except squealing and hoping that your agenda gets met. If you gave a care about the "cyberbully victim" then you would actually try and talk to him. Counsel him. Give him support. But instead all we get is shiptoasting ALL OVER THE FORUMS about how Mittens sucks, goons suck too, everyone but you and your BFFs should be banned.

Meta-gaming is one thing, but this is becoming obscene. Like I said, if you really care about the dude who "ZOMGZ HE MIGHT KILL HISSELF" then spend your time and energy on him. If CCP is gonna ban Mittens/Goons/Me/You/Whoever then they will do it, any and all chestbeating and whiteknighting and agenda pushing from the likes of us will not accomplish anything besides making us look even stupider to the world at large. Shut up already.