We might find out... Not that I think any legal action will (or should) come from it. He screwed up - he should probably be banned, and thats the very extent of it.

Are we still going on about this? Are you people SO butthurt by goons/mittens that you care this much? Quit trying to white knight a dude who played the oldest online sympathy card there is and just say "We hate Goons and Mittens and we want them all gone". By this point you are doing NOTHING for the community except squealing and hoping that your agenda gets met. If you gave a care about the "cyberbully victim" then you would actually try and talk to him. Counsel him. Give him support. But instead all we get is shiptoasting ALL OVER THE FORUMS about how Mittens sucks, goons suck too, everyone but you and your BFFs should be banned.

Meta-gaming is one thing, but this is becoming obscene. Like I said, if you really care about the dude who "ZOMGZ HE MIGHT KILL HISSELF" then spend your time and energy on him. If CCP is gonna ban Mittens/Goons/Me/You/Whoever then they will do it, any and all chestbeating and whiteknighting and agenda pushing from the likes of us will not accomplish anything besides making us look even stupider to the world at large. Shut up already.

so its like, someone commits a crime, the criminal gets to walk because 10000 who likes his "wayward behavior" says he has not done wrong ... (wrong to the tune of suggesting a depressed whining player actually go have his suicide) LOL ! ...

what about the rest of the population who was not in the 10000 ? i am very sure they are not NPC related

Counselling the victim of bullying won't by itself help prevent future bullying.

Are we still going on about this? Are you people SO butthurt by goons/mittens that you care this much? Quit trying to white knight a dude who played the oldest online sympathy card there is and just say "We hate Goons and Mittens and we want them all gone". By this point you are doing NOTHING for the community except squealing and hoping that your agenda gets met. If you gave a care about the "cyberbully victim" then you would actually try and talk to him. Counsel him. Give him support. But instead all we get is shiptoasting ALL OVER THE FORUMS about how Mittens sucks, goons suck too, everyone but you and your BFFs should be banned.

Meta-gaming is one thing, but this is becoming obscene. Like I said, if you really care about the dude who "ZOMGZ HE MIGHT KILL HISSELF" then spend your time and energy on him. If CCP is gonna ban Mittens/Goons/Me/You/Whoever then they will do it, any and all chestbeating and whiteknighting and agenda pushing from the likes of us will not accomplish anything besides making us look even stupider to the world at large. Shut up already.

Jade, making a valid point will only have goons mock you, and the forum police delete your posts. I find it rather pathetic though that CCP has taken this long to investigate a segment thats recorded. Unless they can't find out where in the presentation he actually said these things, perhaps we should just point them out in a timeline for CCP.

They are hoping this will blow over so they don't behead the swarm. Bee hives have a nasty habit of going crazy when the Queen dies.....

i am also quite curious ... of those 10k who did voted ... how many are in disgust of his presentation about "the wis". i am very sure not all 10k+ people are standing together with him on that incident

The CSM published by CCP

Excerpt from page 20 of the linked CCP document-

CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT

any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos
by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent
exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no
exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to
uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but
should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.
____

This sounds pretty clear cut to me. Unless we don't play by these rules anymore?

"immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion"

Policies are created to insure all players are treated fairly and equally. We can't
begin making exceptions to one without eliminating the rule altogether.

What kind of publicity will EVE receive if he or any future player does commit
suicide? The media will look back on this incident and see how the company
handeled it which could open them up for future liability.

Any player regardless of alliance affiliation needs to understand the gravity of
this situation outside of the context of Eve.

This is a situation that could end Eve.

My opinion is should such a case go in court, the CCP would have hard time explaining how sending death threats outside EVE constitutes a breach of contract.

If someone sent a death threat to Bill Gates, does this invalidate his Windows or Office licenses?

Its taking this long most likely cause CCP has to have their legal beagles going over all sorts of stuff.

Do you think somebody would get away with keeping their eve accounts if they surged up on stage and punched hillmar on the nose?

When s**ts are allowed to happen - they certainly will happen .... and they happen anyway.

[quote=The F Word]
he might have gotten off scott free if suicide wasnt highlighted ... but it is very clear ... he was out to demean the victims he had prepped on his slides openly at fanfest ... and particularly this person/victim ... the suicide word mentioned and suggested to other fellow players.

so i do not see anything wrong with a perma BAN on this player

Have to agree with this. Had an audience member brought up the topic and the panel joined in then that is spontaneous especially with alcohol involved. Preparing a slide in a presentation to set the stage for those antics, drunk or not, is premeditation. Depending on who prepared the slide presentation, someone other than Mittens, then that is conspiracy.

Whether there are laws in Iceland which specifically address this situation, and I doubt it, from a PR perspective CCP would be wise to act on the side of caution. Then again if Mittens is booted they'll lose tens of thousands of accounts. If Mittens isn't booted, you know which concerns they considered paramount.

Be carefull of wat you wish, that 10k might turn 20k as well.

Jade, making a valid point will only have goons mock you, and the forum police delete your posts. I find it rather pathetic though that CCP has taken this long to investigate a segment thats recorded. Unless they can't find out where in the presentation he actually said these things, perhaps we should just point them out in a timeline for CCP.

they wont lose any accounts .. dont be dramatic. goons will laugh on his face and resume trolololing on the forums like any other day.

i am very sure eve is not just made up of just these ... pilots ...

so a probable BAN on 1 single player wun hurt goons that much

^^^ This, It was on tape and pre meditated. Mittens intended to harass that player publicly or it would not have been in his presentation that was surely made days earlier. There really is not much to investigate here . CCP is just hoping it will all go away.

So my earlier suggestion. Everyone on the panel, every CCP employee, everyone in the audience who laughed should have action taken against them as well. Can't single out 1 person like that. Everyone is equally culpable. I saw CCP employees laughing, I saw the panel laughing, I saw/heard audience members laughing. Why aren't we going after those hate mongers too? No 1 person is liable for this, all or nothing. Mittens said it, no-one stopped him. Many joined in his mocking laughter. We have to immediately ban half of EVE except the white knights now, otherwise I will not be satisfied!!

Yeah after showing my dad the vid and the actions of the goons on these threads the last few days Im in full on Ban the mittani territory.

The trolls that are still on going by the goons tell me that just him stepping down is not going to send the right message.

Full on ban time.

I think most people notice how Mitten's half assed apology is fake and he feels no remorse. It is obvious he is trying to save face, which didn't work, which makes him look like an even bigger douche now.

Its not like its dificult to a guy come back from a ban... would be back in on the next day.

Yeah full on ban now. Anything less is weakness on ccps part.

Let the goon pubbies rage for a few months.

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