Read the OP (and most of her other posts): demands of condemnation and guilt-by-association rhetorics.

Ugh, ::threadnought::

Bit, alright, re-reading OP, and wading through the goonie-dross now...

As for Issler she looks like being scapegoated at the moment. Understand, I didn't vote for her, I didn't much like her policies. But she is trying to push an agenda of personal responsibility from the current CSM team where we get to see what each of them actually *think* about this crisis rather than disappearing behind a magic curtain and letting the "wizard" tell us how its going to be.

...

Other CSM's seem to closing ranks and trying to laugh it off and tell us how it doesn't matter because the mining barge guy didn't actually die - but that is so not the point.

Actually, it's easier than that, so don't sweat it.

At this point, anyone who joins this ridiculous baying-for-blood mob is no better (and in a couple of very explicit cases much, much worse) than the person they're going after. The sheer hypocrisy of the of harassment that has been levelled is just appalling

I wonder how many of those votes are/were alts? Given the not-insignificant percentage of votes from under-30d-old characters and all

That number doesn't mean **** one way or the other without an explicit breakdown of account-vs-RL-player, and of what in-game demographic those accounts represent, and if they are alt-accounts, and for what purpose they are, if they are, among other factors.

Enough with this puerile crap already

TL/DR: That number means nothing given the prevalence of alt-accounts in this game. You should find a "meatier" statistic to play with.

Next!

[quote=Jade Constantine]
Especially for those of us that are new to the council, I don't see any value in refusing to listen to every party involved first and foremost. Not just to the players, but to Alex, and to the CCP staff as well. It's a bit unfair to say that because most of us would prefer to get a full 360-degree view of the situation before speaking about it that it means we are somehow "closing ranks", or "laughing it off", or letting "the wizard" tell us what to say.

Do your really think you should be weighing in on a debate, if you can't read a simple table? It's really not so hard to understand, so maybe take a good hard look at it again and you may see that 0 players under 30 days voted and the players you refer to were indeed 30-250 days old.

How do you expect anyone to respect your opinion if you are blatantly lieing or too stupid to read.

Jade, you've pretty much explicitly stated you're not concerned about condeming what Mitanni said, for you this is about condeming Mitanni's approach to the chairmanship.

Attacking the CSM for being silent and then attacking the many of us who posted stuff.. you dont have to do that. We get it.

Personally I have no issue with IsslerGÇÖs statement and think it is quite welcome and if the other CSM members have an issue with that and wonGÇÖt work with Issler over it they need to take a good hard look at their own ethics.

OK first things first.

It's pretty obvious that Issler doesn't give a damn about The Wis, this whole thread is just some weird soap boxing power play. Maybe she thinks the CSM works like The Highlander and if she can take out all the CSMs above her she gets to be chairman v0v


Second. If this was just eve players beefing with one another in our own little enclosure then I'd say go for it. Run around the monkey house hooting as loud as you want flinging poo at one another. But I don't know if you've looked at The Escapist or Massively this morning. It's not just us, we are in the spot light now, try to act like adults.

Maybe if your politically motivated rant is loud enough you'll attract the attention of that one lady on Fox news. Who I am sure will treat Eve with the same level of respect and nuance as she did Mass Effect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKzF173GqTU

This is probably the best reason to present a unified message. Something like, "Eve is a good game full of good people. It is also a harsh game and we have some harsh people. We have one bad guy. He has done some bad things. He's very sorry for doing bad things. And steps have been taken to make sure bad things never happen again."

Also an "I'm not dead" statement from The Wis would help too.


Third, Fanfest will probably never be the same. You'll probably see two things out of this. People's power point slides will be more heavily screened before they are let on stage to cut out anything that could be offensive to anyone. And the hard alcohol will probably be downgraded to beer. Also the broadcast might be delayed by a few minutes from the event so that CCP can censor out anything embarrassing.


Fourth, depending on what we sacrifice on the altar of the PR Gods to appease their wrath, the entire eve social landscape will be very different. You could ban all of The Mittanni's accounts, take him off the CSM, and take away all the GSF tech moons or whatever. Then you create an environment where butthurt becomes an effective tactical weapon.

Watch the rest of the alliance panel. It was 90% smack-talk. People were being ransomed and forced to sing over comms under the threat of losing something expensive. Then they were publicly shamed on a public broadcast for their awful singing voices. I thought this bit was pretty funny and kind of cute, but hypothetically if one jilted player was enraged about his forced karaoke, and the forum butthurt got OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAND!!! Then Mr. Wormhole could find himself in the same hot water.

"white knight moral crusaders"....said with such sarcasm and derision as if people being repulsed by someone petitioning people to troll another human being to kill himself for really no particular good reason, can't really think of a good reason but I digress. That's a really irritating sentiment.....mocking being a decent human being. wtf?

While The Mittani made a drunken mistake and will undoubtedly pay for it, no matter how idiotic the entire situation is, Issler is using it for political grandstanding. The issue is not that Issler made a statement, the issue is that she threw her teammates under the bus while doing so.

OK first things first.

It's pretty obvious that Issler doesn't give a damn about The Wis, this whole thread is just some weird soap boxing power play. Maybe she thinks the CSM works like The Highlander and if she can take out all the CSMs above her she gets to be chairman v0v

Yeah, because that's why people are in such a rage about this whole "scandal", my has nothing to do with people using this guy as a tool to get back at Mittani.

I'll grant you that you may disagree with my methods but you can't claim that my motives aren't genuine.

Then you're an idiot, congratulations on trying to get your vengeance at the expense of the victim. Mittani made a mistake, he's just as human as you are. Until he repeatedly acts in a manner such as what he did at the alliance panel there is absolutely no reason to get worked up about it.

So The Mittani's original idea wasn't at the expense of the victim, let alone the comments he made? So he should be forgiven until he behaves like this repeatedly, are you insane?

His behavior has given EvE a worse name than it already had, he should do what he said and resign or this will blow up even worse than it has now.

I take suicide very seriously. I've had people in my life make that very unfortunate decision so you couldn't be more wrong. I also have been on the receiving end of similar forms of harassment.

You can go on about my not meeting your expectations and try and invent bizarre motives for "power grabs" but how on earth could that work?

I'll grant you that you may disagree with my methods but you can't claim that my motives aren't genuine. This situation all comes down to a very simple fact, if someone wants to be an asshat in game, awesome, welcome to Eve! If that same person takes it out of game, now I have issues.

As to the other CSM members. I'm sorry that what I have said in this thread was viewed as an attack. You have the right to take a stand or not in your own time. But by the same measure, so do I.

I wasn't going to post more in this thread but I felt I needed to correct this poster. I take harassment of someone that may be struggling with depression (a very real and life threatening condition) very seriously. I've seen the effects first hand.

I feel sorry for both parties. Wis should not have been treated the way he was and Mittens is going to have to live with a rash act that will be a dark shadow over much of what he accomplished here in Eve. There are no winners here.

This really is the last post from me until the "official" announcements arrive.

And thanks to everyone that has contacted me directly with your support.

Issler

This isn't going to blow up and be "even worse".

Wow, way to make absolutely sure that you will not get anything at all done during your CSM 7 term. You do realize that the election is over, and now is the time to work together for the good of the people that voted for us, not to try to stir up a shitstorm?

Wow, way to make absolutely sure that you will not get anything at all done during your CSM 7 term. You do realize that the election is over, and now is the time to work together for the good of the people that voted for us, not to try to stir up a shitstorm?

Sad to see I was the only CSM 7 member to go on the record with my outrage at the incident.

We got what I believe is a sincere apology now the question I believe is before CSM 7, CCP and most importantly the players. "is that enough"?

Issler

[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya
[21:10:22] The Wis > Hello
[21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine
[21:10:50] The Wis > No why?
[21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/
[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was GÇ£The WisGÇ¥
[21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on?
[21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth
[21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates
[21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing.
[21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said.
[21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and ****
[21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up
[21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though
[21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec
[21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting
[21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here.
[21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s
[21:26:17] Xeross155 > ThatGÇÖs basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason
[21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying
[21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.
[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought.
[21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun.