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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:13:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:I really need you to tell me if you know the difference between Real life and In game?
Not I, but you might need to explain that to The Wis, he seems to have mixed up RL and IG.
I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
428
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:16:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:RougeOperator wrote:I really need you to tell me if you know the difference between Real life and In game? Not I, but you might need to explain that to The Wis, he seems to have mixed up RL and IG.
Wis didnt try to get someone killed on a live stream outside of game.
Keep trying to spin this, its not working. More like a car spinning its wheels in the mud. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
1661
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:17:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Because the leader of a RL corporation staggering around drunk and falling into the dustbins has the same impact on share price and market tracking as the janitor doing it right? So whether the janitor does it or not makes no difference because he's not a public figure tied into profit.
You seem to have lost the plot. maybe you need to unplug your keyboard.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
36
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:32:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Wis didnt try to get someone killed on a live stream outside of game.
Keep trying to spin this, its not working. More like a car spinning its wheels in the mud.
I see no difference between what The Mittani did and what happens in C&P on any given day in order to humiliate victims who try to bargain sympathy. In the end, it's all in the public record on the internet; medium makes no difference. The only reason this is such a huge issue is because it's The Mittani.
I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
264
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:34:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:
You seem to have lost the plot. maybe you need to unplug your keyboard.
excuse me jade "i am unable to distinguish between the eveo forums and the eve online game" constantine why do you feel your opinion has any validity when you have been so completely crushed that you are unable to even discuss the claim you once made |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
185
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:44:00 -
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I'm just going to leave this here for all to see:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1008590#post1008590
Interesting.
Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
1663
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:47:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Wis didnt try to get someone killed on a live stream outside of game.
Keep trying to spin this, its not working. More like a car spinning its wheels in the mud. I see no difference between what The Mittani did and what happens in C&P on any given day in order to humiliate victims who try to bargain sympathy. In the end, it's all in the public record on the internet; medium makes no difference. The only reason this is such a huge issue is because it's The Mittani.
It doesn't matter who the heck the guy is - its the CSM CHAIR using his position as a bully-pulpit to channel harrassment through CCP's telecoms support direct through the INTERNET.
try and keep up.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
37
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:47:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:You seem to have lost the plot. maybe you need to unplug your keyboard.
What you're really trying to say is that little incidences really don't matter, only the big ones. So while we allow "tear collecting" to go on behind our backs, humiliating victims right and left, once someone in a sufficiently high enough place of power does it, it actually becomes a problem. The Mittani's only real problem is that he picked on someone who used suicide to bargain sympathy and he's a famous person in an alliance that is, according to its detractors, trying to ruin the game.
I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
264
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:55:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:
It doesn't matter who the heck the guy is - its the CSM CHAIR using his position as a bully-pulpit to channel harrassment through CCP's telecoms support direct through the INTERNET.
try and keep up.
dear jade "not the brightest bulb in the box" could you elaborate on what grounds you feel able to talk down to...well, anyone, after getting so completely owned regarding the difference between an eveo forums account and an eve account |
Allataria
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:04:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I have heard the goons go on and on about the number of votes he got but really it is less than 3% of the games population and it doesn't really matter as he got the number 1 spot, by 1 vote or 10 million doesn't matter much. It really does matter, though given how politically clueless you were with the whole Issler campaign thing, I'm not surprised you don't get that. ANYWAY, moving on... The point was that the words themselves weren't the source of outrage, it was the person who said them. If it well and truly was the words, the outpouring of rage that took off on Monday would have happened within minutes of him actually saying what he did. Funny how that didn't happen, though. But the rage started immediately in the forums. There were calls of outrage within minutes of the panel ending. Issler
Step down Issler. The fact you are trying to spin this story to further you own personal gain and political position makes you a hypocrite. If you really had the players hearts and minds in consideration and you really knew anything about how pvp and EVE works you would know this happens all the time and this was quite tame to some of the stuff that goes on. You are completely oblivious to the facts that what Mittani said was in fact very very tame.
Griefing other players for being terrible in game or for shedding tears over their losses is every pvp players right. Its what keeps us coming back for more and more kills. Its what makes this game great and it doesnt just happen here. It happens in every single MMO FPS RTS multiplayer game out there. What about all the little 12 year old kids screaming obscenities while playing MW3 on XBOX360? Giving people grief is what makes pvp fun and enjoyable and its our right to do so. Anyone who doubts otherwise is a hypocrite or has never pvped before in their life. Everyone who pvp's in game is guilty of it sometime or another. All the alliances corporations regardless of who they are have done this and far worse than this in the past.
So get off your high throne of moral judgement because obviously you dont know what happens at all in this game or others or even in pvp for that matter.
You are either a high sec carebear who has never done pvp in their life or you are a hypocrite because everyone who has pvped in EVE has done this. Go take a look on kugu or evenews24 or any 3rd party site or hell even in CAOD on the forums. This was quite tame. The only ones who through an outrage were the prudes who are oblivious to this happening in games or people who just want to see Mittani go down in a fire and are using this to throw fuel on the fire for their own personal gain.
If anyone needs to step down for corrupting what the CSM stands for and for not representing the community and how it works it should be you Issler.
All these threads are disgusting. Mittani has done nothing different than what any other pvp playing person would have done in the same situation. EVE needs Mittani as the CSM head. It was Mittani that helped get the players thoughts about Incarna to CCP and helped turned it around. He has brought more pressing issues to the front table than any other CSM chairman yet. Its an insult to the playerbase to see you using this to further yourself when everyone who pvps knows they would have done the same thing in the same situation. It was funny even the victim the Wis knows it was and laughs about it now and doesnt care anymore. So drop the discussion already he apologized although he really shouldn't have in my opinion but whatever. |
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Prince Kobol
425
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:07:00 -
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From the My Apology Thread on GD
The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve.
This is not about someone losing isks they worked for.
This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game.
This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game.
Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk.
If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure.
But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis |
Mechael
Team Pizza
Viro Mors Non Est
68
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:10:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:dear jade "not the brightest bulb in the box" constantine could you elaborate on what grounds you feel able to talk down to...well, anyone, after getting so completely owned regarding the difference between an eveo forums account and an eve account
Personal attacks? Really?  6 years ago I believed that the goons in general would have grown up by now. The culture has proven far too insular for that.
Back to the subject, please. Issler, mad props for actually taking a stand. The rest of the CSM really ought to have that same quality. It's a damn shame that they don't. Get out from behind the curtain, CSM.
As to the state of things, it's pretty simple. The moment the media picked up on what Alex said, CCP contacted him and said something along the likes of, "Dude, we could be in really hot water if a lawsuit comes our way now, especially if people actually do what you suggested, and even more especially if the guy actually hurts himself. We need you to apologize and make nice or else we'll have to ask you to step down. If the waters calm down after that, we might not have to remove you from the CSM." So, Alex promptly apologizes, bribes the guy with 10bil ISK (surprised at how public the bribe was!), and now everyone over at CCP and in the CSM is just waiting for everyone to forget about it. We won't.
Issler, don't back down. Not on this specific issue, anyway.
I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
264
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:13:00 -
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Mechael wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:dear jade "not the brightest bulb in the box" constantine could you elaborate on what grounds you feel able to talk down to...well, anyone, after getting so completely owned regarding the difference between an eveo forums account and an eve account Personal attacks? Really? 6 years ago I believed that the goons in general would have grown up by now. The culture has proven far too insular for that.
informing those with wrechedly bad ideas they ought not post is our chosen service to the greater eve community
it is with the greatest pride i carry on this legacy |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
264
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:14:00 -
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while we're on the subject you are a pretty wrechedly bad poster and ought not post |
XavierVE
Concordiat
Spaceship Samurai
102
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:33:00 -
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Grats, you just picked up a bunch of votes for CSM 8 that you wouldn't have otherwise.
Nice to see a CSM member be forthright, honest and act with integrity. Lord knows the rest of that rabble are sitting around keeping silent because they are not leaders, but followers. |
Xien Anh
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:37:00 -
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I'm lost. Isn't this that outerspace game with people in bubbles and shooty guns?
Only a ginger can call a ginger a ginger! |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
448
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:48:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:From the My Apology Thread on GD The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve.
This is not about someone losing isks they worked for.
This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game.
This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game.
Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk.
If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure.
But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis
After the rash of horrible comments the goons made when he posted this in the other thread Im not longer looking for Alex to just step down from the CSM.
He needs to be banned. |
Mechael
Team Pizza
Viro Mors Non Est
69
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:52:00 -
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I do have a question for you, Issler, that is related. Could you clarify this please? Where exactly do you stand? (It's okay to not know exactly, so long as you're honest!)
And I should also note that I don't want to derail the thread completely with this, it just seems related due to the seeming incongruity.
I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Aryndel Samson
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:54:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:From the My Apology Thread on GD The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve.
This is not about someone losing isks they worked for.
This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game.
This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game.
Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk.
If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure.
But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis After the rash of horrible comments the goons made when he posted this in the other thread Im not longer looking for Alex to just step down from the CSM. He needs to be banned.
Nobody really cares what you're looking for.
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:55:00 -
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Retar Aveymone has asked me to convey "ahahahaha jade was so furious at being proven wrong he mashed the report button on every post until he got me temp-banned" |
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Mechael
Team Pizza
Viro Mors Non Est
69
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:03:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Retar Aveymone has asked me to convey "ahahahaha jade was so furious at being proven wrong he mashed the report button on every post until he got me temp-banned"
While this does clearly indicate who was proven wrong, I do not think your logic is sound. Or his logic, rather, since you're just the messenger. 
I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
1673
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:04:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Retar Aveymone has asked me to convey "ahahahaha jade was so furious at being proven wrong he mashed the report button on every post until he got me temp-banned"
dear oh dear what a terrible tragedy.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
206
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:04:00 -
[473] - Quote
The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve.
This is not about someone losing isks they worked for.
This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game.
This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game.
Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk.
If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure.
But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:09:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:Retar Aveymone has asked me to convey "ahahahaha jade was so furious at being proven wrong he mashed the report button on every post until he got me temp-banned" dear oh dear what a terrible tragedy.
Jade, perhaps you could explain to me how, using Retar Aveymone as an example, a eve-o ban is the same thing as a real ban. I'm sure you have a perfectly reasonable explanation that you have somehow been unable to type until now. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:10:00 -
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I would hate to think you were a coward hiding from defending arguments you put forward that were later demolished, I have the greatest of respect for you and would hate to be wrong on that count. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
1446
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:11:00 -
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Mechael wrote:I do have a question for you, Issler, that is related. Could you clarify this please? Where exactly do you stand? (It's okay to not know exactly, so long as you're honest!) And I should also note that I don't want to derail the thread completely with this, it just seems related due to the seeming incongruity.
I'm trying not to post anymore in this thread because I think I've been pretty clear in where I stand.
But fair question, how did I come to where I am now?
" A lot of folks may not find just the apology enough. Either way, you took the right first step." from my post you reference.
At first I thought an apology, that should be enough. As I began to think about where that leaves us and I finally found the panel video my position evolved based on the following:
- Several mittens comments and tweets made me doubt the sincerity of the apology, particularly the "I didn't remember I did it because I was blacked out drunk". Even when you are drunk and stupid you need to "own" what you did.
- I realized this was pre-planned act staged in a sober state. He had to know what he was doing when he made the slides.
- I realized that if Mittens isn't punished beyond some public apology the player confidence in the CSM would plummet and all the gains made recently would evaporate.
- I realized the if CCP didn't take action the reputation of Eve outside the game would also be diminished (or even reinforced as game for sociopaths). Players would also wonder how CCP is so irregular in the actions sanctioning player misdeeds. A fair claim of favoritism will be made.
- At a minimum I felt every member of the CSM should go on the record as individuals to the players decrying this unacceptable behavior.
I have evolved my position to say it is up to each CSM member to decide if they need to take a stand or not. I felt I needed to so here we are. I still think the apology was the right first step but I no longer think that is all that is required.
I hope that clears it up.
Issler
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Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
69
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:15:00 -
[477] - Quote
Thanks, Issler. That clears it up quite a bit. Good on you.
I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:38:00 -
[478] - Quote
Out of interest, are you content with what has happened (his declination of chair), and are you prepared to move forward with the CSM and work for the benefit of the game? Or are you going to sit in the corner with Darius crying about not getting chair, demanding Mittens removal from the CSM altogether and thus opening yourself up to relentless trolling? |
doombreed52
Enlightened Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
35
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:39:00 -
[479] - Quote
WE ARE RETURNED!!! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD !!!!
jita will burn and so shall your alliance and your precious 40b missioning ships
muhahahahaha
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!! |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
188
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:49:00 -
[480] - Quote
I see the 12 relevant members of CSM7 doing a fine job this year in guiding CCP's development of the game we all love.
Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
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