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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:01:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:The thing I find scariest of all is a howling mob who completely disregard that an apology has been made and accepted, but believe that it's their business to keep this whole thing escalating, regardless of the effect on the person they claim to be defending. I thought the apology was good actually but does an apology really cut it for what was said. That leads down the path of can you make real life death treats and just apologize later in the game now? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
47
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:04:00 -
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Won't matter, the actions in questions violate the ToS on several counts .. he'll likely be kicked from council (if he doesn't leave on his own accord) and his account itself may be "audited".
We have all asked for CCP to throw the book at offenders when a violation is obvious in the past and applauded when CCP does so on their own .. Question is if the threat of Goons having their head and only functioning brain severed (can't be good!) with the resulting rampage/rage-quits is enough to make CCP run away/cave in as they have done in the past. Hell, the Jita idiocy last summer will be dwarfed by what 10k players with what is essentially infinite ISK can do of damage to Eve. |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
139
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:08:00 -
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It's funny because his actions weren't under the EULA or TOS. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:10:00 -
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esc shk wrote:It's funny because his actions weren't under the EULA or TOS. I agree they were in real life in-front of thousands of people. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3165
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:33:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Malcanis wrote:The thing I find scariest of all is a howling mob who completely disregard that an apology has been made and accepted, but believe that it's their business to keep this whole thing escalating, regardless of the effect on the person they claim to be defending. I thought the apology was good actually but does an apology really cut it for what was said. That leads down the path of can you make real life death treats and just apologize later in the game now?
It's not up to you to decide if it "really cuts it", is it? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
stierkobb
Silent Society Ineluctable.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:33:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:Totally agree. CCP should be taking him out of CSM altogether and he should be left with a feeling that he's lucky he still has his accounts.
People have been banned for less.
I agree. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
33
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:42:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Malcanis wrote:The thing I find scariest of all is a howling mob who completely disregard that an apology has been made and accepted, but believe that it's their business to keep this whole thing escalating, regardless of the effect on the person they claim to be defending. I thought the apology was good actually but does an apology really cut it for what was said. That leads down the path of can you make real life death treats and just apologize later in the game now? It's not up to you to decide if it "really cuts it", is it? Did I say that it did or didn't, personally no, it doesn't or if it does this could be a very fun game Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Sano Hekki
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:50:00 -
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This is the perfect example of why this whole thing is a farce, Issler doesn't care about the Miner in question neither does the majority of the people flooding the general forums it's all about seeing The Mittani removed a nothing else. |
Deceduto
Sons Of Alexander AL3XAND3R.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:56:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:man i hate goons
We all do, its okay. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1073
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:59:00 -
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Deceduto wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:man i hate goons We all do, its okay.
Man how do you end up with a dot in your alliance name after you changed letters for numbers already? |
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Allataria
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:12:00 -
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Sano Hekki wrote:This is the perfect example of why this whole thing is a farce, Issler doesn't care about the Miner in question neither does the majority of the people flooding the general forums it's all about seeing The Mittani removed a nothing else.
+1
Issler should step down. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
33
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:20:00 -
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Allataria wrote: Anyone with half a brain knows this happens all the time in pvp and everyone does it. Not just the CFC. All of 0.0 and pvp alliances/corps are guilty of it. ****ing all over people for being dumb and losing ships is every pvp players right. Thats why everyone at the panel found it funny. The only people not laughing are the sec prudes who do nothing but carebear and mine all day and hardly ever pvp. The people in null sec who are voicing that this is disgusting are all hypocrites because they themselves have done this and they know it.
What people get up on a stage and in-front of cameras? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
lanyaie
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:01:00 -
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Hmm should i troll this thread or not?
Anyhow I'm not a fan of mittani,(hell im not a fan of anyone)but to me all these threads seems to get rediculous. I know some have good intentions but I know most of you just don't like mittani and want him out of the game regardless of the victims condition, only mittani knows if he really ment his apology and if he wouldn't have said what he did if he wasn't drunk. I myself think anyone in the position of mittani would respond to all of this in the way he did even tho he made an apology, seeming as he knowns they are just out to get him and not in behalf of supporting the victim.
I myself hope mittani really means he's sorry but as I said only he knows if he's is.
Either way Yaaay no troll posting from lanyaie
I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you |
Woo Glin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
481
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:03:00 -
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fyi it's not trolling when you announce it |
lanyaie
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:03:00 -
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MITTENS CAN I HAZ YOUR STOOFF
Sorry i have to balance serious posts and troll posts or bad things happen I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you |
lanyaie
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:06:00 -
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Woo Glin wrote:I have no idea what i'm talking about
Now I my first point wasn't trolling was it? And I may troll however the **** I like :) I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
660
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:24:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: One thing despite the apology this was an action that was started before the panel, the whole presentation was created prior to the fanfest and I assume in a more sober frame of mind. So humiliation of the player in question was definitely intended. I think the drunkenness let Mittens cross a line but how much further was that from the actual intent?
Issler
Sad - way to spin the story more for your own gain Issler.
The presentation had no names and ridiculed players anonymously for various levels of stupidity in their gameplay.
The line-crossing when he named the character was in response to an audience question after all the presentations were done and was totally off the cuff.
I have to agree with the sentiment that Issler and most of the rabble are only perpetuating this out of hate for The Mittani and motivated for personal gain. Nobody thought about the embarassment they'd be causing the "victim" here by spreading the audience beyond fanfest watchers to the entire MMO news community. They just saw a chance to attack The Mittani and jumped at it.
Hypocrites. Here's your sign... |
Dank Man
51
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:53:00 -
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As much as I avoid trying to even give goons the respect of responding to their crap and trolls, the mittani is a RL piece of sh*t. If hes gonna get drunk and be a total prick it just goes to show what sheep he has in his herd of goons. Sad to see 8000 people voted for this guy, and still defend him... Eve is a game about people and this guy doesn't care about them, he doesn't care about real people, certainly not about his allies and not about his own members. He uses you for your votes and your blob help build his ego and you all follow lol. You all get what you deserve and this piece of crap definitely deserves to represent you. Any goon or allies of the goons that dont demand his resignation from lead of CSM/GOONS and CFC is clearly complacent and doesn't care about the community or the RL welfare of people. Sad to see that the game goons play "for fun" and from the person who always claims others take this game seriously.... Wow dude.. Well folks thats the truth of this guy, f him and f goons who support this a-hole. And until CCP does something they are just as responsible for giving this prick a stage to speak on in my opinion. Go ahead goons troll away i wanna see which ones of you have the balls to continue to push this, i mean i know you hold your anonymous racism close to you, and maybe you can justify that being ok in a video game daily, but this is just disgraceful, sadly even disgraceful for goons. As for the goon community I would think they had enough self respect to reject this guy as well but likely seeing as how they all supported him in the past I'm not expecting much more. He's a lawyer he says whatever gets him out of things as his job, doesn't have to be the truth or even close, him being drunk shows his true colors, his apology means nothing as his words haven't meant anything for years as any person in the eve community could have told you. I hope he gets what he deserves, boot from CSM, ban of his accounts, ban from fanfest, etc. you just don't do this kind of stuff, this is real life before eve if you all haven't forgotten.
- Dank
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Woo Glin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
482
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:55:00 -
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lanyaie wrote: I'm a bad poster
lmao look what i did |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
137
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:11:00 -
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Darius III wrote:Nothing but removal from the CSM will show that CCP cares about this issue. What would have turned out to be possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars in free good publicity for CSM now turns out to be PR nightmare and unmitigated disaster for our whole community. Just step down and be done with it.
I disagree with Darius. His agenda is purely on a personal agenda and in no way is to the benefit of EVE as a game.
Yes Mittani made a big mistake at the Fanfest pannel. But the mistake wasn't only his. Content to the presentation is checked by CCP first and they must have had a blast reading a mail of someone they just discarded as being a whiney one and should be mocked at. They know Mittani's ingame reputation and they would have known he wasn't up to anything good in regards of that slide. They let is pass through without even checking anything about that player. Their suicide hotline failed there. Their ability to see what is acceptable and what not went out of the door at that point.
However we also must not forget that 10,058 accounts voted for Mittani. They wanted to give him a landslide victory and they did. Like it or not he has the back up of a large part of the customer base that bothered to vote.
By discarding Mittani completely as CSM you retrospectivly also discard 10,058 accounts which voted for him. This would be unacceptable.
I say let him serve his term, or even make him serve his term. However not as chairman but in another position.
We would be stupid and narrowminded if we would listen to the likes of Darius whom we all know and trust just as much as we trust a Goon.
I don't see Alexander as Mittani, nor do I see Mitanni as Alexander.
I do see Alexander as someone who has a mandate and who would work well in another position within the CSM to shed off the taint of this incident and not let the smudge come over the chair due to personal gain.
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Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
223
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:11:00 -
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I will only say this, presidents and ministers of real life countries resigned for smaller things.
This all is not because he said that, its because he is elected and he is, because of it, responsible for his actions and words. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1079
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:24:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:I will only say this, presidents and ministers of real life countries resigned for smaller things.
This all is not because he said that, its because he is elected and he is, because of it, responsible for his actions and words.
You just compared an advisory lobbyist position in a video game with a real life elected politician, wow. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:36:00 -
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The worst part is where does the game go from here. If nothing is done what can CCP say if someone else starts making RL death threats or threats of a beating? What about their liability if nothing is done?
We are only talking about an advisory position to a company generating 60 million a year.
Honestly I believe he is sorry and there was no way he could know getting drunk that night would do so much. Over here we have "Don't drink and drive" ads every where, maybe someone should get him a "Don't drink and Speak on Camera" T-Shirt. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1080
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:40:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:The worst part is where does the game go from here. If nothing is done what can CCP say if someone else starts making RL death threats or threats of a beating? What about their liability if nothing is done?
We are only talking about an advisory position to a company generating 60 million a year.
Honestly I believe he is sorry and there was no way he could know getting drunk that night would do so much. Over here we have "Don't drink and drive" ads every where, maybe someone should get him a "Don't drink and Speak on Camera" T-Shirt.
The game moves right along and barely remembers this in a week. |
Weloriavia
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:40:00 -
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I have read this entire thread and have decided to way in my thoughts!
The Mittani is our representative. The players. Due to the large outcry by both players and CSM comrades alike it is clear that he is no longer going to be able to represent us all from a neutral position.
If we put aside the fact this is a game to start with and focus on the actual comments. Cyberbullying is a serious, serious accusation. As a representative of CCP I imagine any other employee would at least be stood down pending investigation. As we enter into the age of information technology our reps on CSM7 need to realize that they are not only representing a vast majority of players from different ethnic and religious backgrounds but also that anything they say is going to be read. This in some cases was not only an attack on the playr but also an attack on various faiths who believe suicicde to be unacceptable. In ANY workplace it is unacceptable to make comments such as was made.
I am the first to advocate freedom of speech and Non-PC comments but this was taking it too far. Fanfest is the biggest event in our diary, it is a time to get to know each nother outside of game and enjoy ourselves, instead it has been tarnished by a man who self gratifys himself as a sadistic game player. As Chairman of CSM I would expect a professional aura to be given off at all times especially when in such a public situation as Fanfest. The thing that continues to bug me the most is his continual display of being "the bad guy", I appreciate he got the votes and that is why he is where he is, but why on EARTH would you not have to characters your in game character and your proffessional charismatic self out side of game who deals with "in game press".
I do hope that if nothing else a warning is given. As this is the chance to make an example for the ENTIRE MMO community that Cyber harrasment will NOT be tolerated. I can only imagine what would have been the reaction of in game moderators if this comment had been broadcast over chat...
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Jack bubu
GK inc. Pandemic Legion
303
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:23:00 -
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Looks like we have a new Ankhwhatevethatnamewas candidate.
Have fun lmao |
Weloriavia
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:41:00 -
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Jack bubu wrote:Looks like we have a new Ankhwhatevethatnamewas candidate.
Have fun lmao
Haha No thank you, No CSM for me )
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Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
45
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:45:00 -
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Weloriavia wrote: This in some cases was not only an attack on the playr but also an attack on various faiths who believe suicicde to be unacceptable.
I find this interesting. Would you expect a public figure to apologise for expressing his enjoyment of eating pork? After all, various faiths object to the eating of pork.
Not that I agree or disagree with any of this but I couldn't help but laugh at this well thought out statement. It's ridiculous that people in the public eye have to watch everything they say for fear of making an unintentional attack on "various faiths". Even more ridiculous is the idea that an objection to suicide as a matter of faith is something that holds a special place above that of a purely moral objection. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
207
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:51:00 -
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if i had as pathetically low a vote count as issler i'd be trying to get rid of anyone else as well |
REDBIERD
Space Gear Productions
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:58:00 -
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The guy already said he's stepping down in light of this fiasco. He should follow through with his promise.
Also he needs to show some leadership and get the Goonwaffe attack dogs posting here in his defense to shut up... e.g. The Mittani admitted his actions were indefensible, so why are you defending him ?
Really, in the face of this PR disaster, it would be best for Goonwaffe to simmer down and Mittani do the right thing.
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