| Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 .. 23 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 2 post(s) |
Lionel Redstar
   |
Posted - 2008.11.08 13:32:00 -
[601]
Are the patchnotes wrong or the stats of the orca are already nerfed:
Patchnotes:
Slots: 3/3/2
Drones: 50m3/25 Mbit/sec bandwidth
Devblog:
3 hi / 4 med / 2 low slots
75m3 drone bay / 50 Mbit/sec bandwidth
|
Bromboor
|
Posted - 2008.11.08 14:11:00 -
[602]
 Quote:
but do to a lack of unmolested belts in high sec there will never be a great need for a large group of hulks.
Complete and utter gibberish. Despite what you believe, the universe isn't filled with macro miners or Chinese farmers. There are plenty of unmolested belts, there's a huge demand for trit and it's a competitive game. If you're happy to shy away from it, thanks and I'll take your share. And while I'm doing that, I'm going to do it faster and more efficiently with this boat working for me.
To be honest, it's getting so close to it's release date that those who remain unconvinced are going to stay that way. The rest of us are just going to enjoy using it.
Well if you have such nice belts, then by all means post where they are and I'll be glad to show you what I mean. I've one days without finding a rock that a T1 strip couldn't kill with a single cycle. I'm down to mission mining.
You feel free to enjoy it though, spend the money. I already have a hauler with an Iteron V.
|
Scruffy Jed
Rho Holding Corp
GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.11.08 15:44:00 -
[603]
I guess it's too much to hope for that CCP would fix all their current broken content before adding more.
Furthermore, |
Meldorn Vaash
Caldari
|
Posted - 2008.11.08 17:23:00 -
[604]
Originally by: Lionel Redstar
Are the patchnotes wrong or the stats of the orca are already nerfed:
Patchnotes:
Slots: 3/3/2
Drones: 50m3/25 Mbit/sec bandwidth
Devblog:
3 hi / 4 med / 2 low slots
75m3 drone bay / 50 Mbit/sec bandwidth
I'm hoping the patchnotes are wrong...
I guess we wait and see...
"A poorly fitted ship is just wreckage waiting to be salvaged" |
Xaenucs
|
Posted - 2008.11.08 23:41:00 -
[605]
Edited by: Xaenucs on 08/11/2008 23:43:11
It overlaps with the role of freighters
the cargo bay is pretty damn big and it's significantly cheaper than freigthers
unless it has a module that reduce speed by 100% then the cargohold becomes big then it's ok...
|
5hadow 1
|
Posted - 2008.11.09 01:14:00 -
[606]
Me and my corp have been playing with this ship in Sisi for a week now and it's just what the doctor ordered. If you use a little team work and work with the tools that CCP gave you with this ship it is wonderful. I just wish they would make the skills a little more harder to get to keep the micro miners out of them. It is purly a support ship and with two of them corporate mining ops in secure space will be a breeze. And as for can flippers this will be the death of them. A hanger to grab stuff out of and into eliminates the need for jet can mining. The only thing a flipper can do now is just bump you off your rocks and **** off like the loser they are or war deck you. They get nothing. Ahhhhhh. I love it.
|
Kerfira
|
Posted - 2008.11.09 12:19:00 -
[607]
Another use for the Orca is exploration.....
Stash all the ships needed in the Orca and fly it on an alt. Your main character can then switch between different ships for probing/salvaging/hacking/fighting/mining as needed.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
|
PhantomMajor
Minmatar
De-Medusa Industries.
|
Posted - 2008.11.09 14:16:00 -
[608]
well this ship now allows the macro miners total domination of eve, as they will be able to mine 23/7 in total knowledge that concord will protect them.
the only way that i can see this being stopped is the disbandment of the new player corps, or a time limit of one month placed on people, which would either force them to make thier own corp or be deposited into npc corps which can be war decked.
with macro miners using these ships 23/7 the ice fields will be dominated by them in a matter of months along with normal roid belts. this will have a disaterous effect on the market as prices will fall significantly unless you alter the game mechanics regarding the macro mining new corps
Ladies and gentlemen, we will shortly be experiencing some exploding followed by some crashing...so i'd hold on if i were you! |
Caelum Mortuos
Gallente
Zero G Research and Development
|
Posted - 2008.11.09 14:42:00 -
[609]
Originally by: PhantomMajor
well this ship now allows the macro miners total domination of eve, as they will be able to mine 23/7 in total knowledge that concord will protect them.
the only way that i can see this being stopped is the disbandment of the new player corps, or a time limit of one month placed on people, which would either force them to make thier own corp or be deposited into npc corps which can be war decked.
with macro miners using these ships 23/7 the ice fields will be dominated by them in a matter of months along with normal roid belts. this will have a disaterous effect on the market as prices will fall significantly unless you alter the game mechanics regarding the macro mining new corps
You cannot use the corp hangar unless you're in a player corp => macro miners cannot use it to mine without jetcanning, or joining a corp that you can wardec.
If they are just using it for hauling or for boosting, there are faster to train and cheaper alternatives for both roles, which already exist(why spend all the time training for an orca and forking out for a 400mil+ship which will eventually be deleted by GMs when you can use a cheap iteron?). There really isn't a problem here.
|
Forest Love
|
Posted - 2008.11.09 21:00:00 -
[610]
if the ship dose not have ore compression the 90k to 40k cargo will not be big enough for a 4 hulk mining operation and would fill quickly, their for fail as a good mobile mining base. It will only take 2 to 3 loads from each of the 4 hulks to fill the Orca. meaning that the operation can only last 30 to 45 minutes long. which means u have to have a station in system that can process the ore or a hauler to take it to a system with a station that can process the ore. The Orca should be able handle a mining operation for at lest 2 or 3 hours or longer, which it can do with only 2 hulks but the time frame would be even sorter if their was 6 or 8 hulks in the mining operation. For the 1 to 2 billion that it will take to buy or make a Orca a carp might be better off using a hauler or 2 in high space then with the Orca. In my opinion if the Orca has ore compression it will be a fantastic ship, if it dose not have ore compression then it will not be worth isk to buy it.
|
Kalderion Mar
|
Posted - 2008.11.09 22:29:00 -
[611]
A mazed out Orca can carry 4.7 cans.
4.7272727272......
My Maxed out Mining Alt can mine 1963m3 per beam per cycle.
it takes less than 15 minutes to fill a can, without using drones. With 4 of my corpies mining, and using drones, we wil fil the or ca in 15 minutes. At which point, we will be right back where we were without he Orca, running three haulers to keep up, or alternatively using another Orca to haul with, which WOULD save running three haulers, what remains to be seen is if it will be capable of keeping up since it will go to warp much slower than a hauler.
The Orca will not be 2 bil isks. It's projected construction cost will be around 400 mil. A fair price to sell it will be about 480 mil. The first ones off the lines will sell for as High as the people selling them for can make it. After a while the prices should solidify at around 500 mil or a little less. I will probably sell them when I can make a fair 20%, when prices drop below that I will stop the sales.
Macro Miners;
My Philosophy on them, is that they are not a reason to penalize the rest of us. By cranking up Concord, the option to suicide them was more or less removed.
Macro Miners are CCP's problem to deal with, they are the ones with the Ban hammer. It is only my oppinion, but the pessimists that use Macro Miners as an excuse NOT to do something only hurt those of us that ar not Macro Miners. When I find them, I report them, beyond that, i would ask everyone to please leave them out of the forums.
Every thread I have ever seen about mining, has some statement like;
"Oh Sure, Lets help the Maco Miners."
I have to wonder about the people posting them, and their motivations, because they are obviously not in the thread to help the rest of us.
It was stated, that in a future expansion that there was a possibility of adding an ORE ONLY cargo bay to the Orca. My Hopes for this ship are tied to that statement, or, the ability to access its hold from a freighter sometime in the future. Otherwise, I would have to agree with everyone's assessment that the cargo space is too small.
Cheers!
|
Fiona Mars
|
Posted - 2008.11.10 01:35:00 -
[612]
Originally by: Scruffy Jed
I guess it's too much to hope for that CCP would fix all their current broken content before adding more.
Good, helpful comment that. ty.
|
Fiona Mars
|
Posted - 2008.11.10 01:36:00 -
[613]
Originally by: Kalderion Mar
A mazed out Orca can carry 4.7 cans.
4.7272727272......
My Maxed out Mining Alt can mine 1963m3 per beam per cycle.
it takes less than 15 minutes to fill a can, without using drones. With 4 of my corpies mining, and using drones, we wil fil the or ca in 15 minutes. At which point, we will be right back where we were without he Orca, running three haulers to keep up, or alternatively using another Orca to haul with, which WOULD save running three haulers, what remains to be seen is if it will be capable of keeping up since it will go to warp much slower than a hauler.
The Orca will not be 2 bil isks. It's projected construction cost will be around 400 mil. A fair price to sell it will be about 480 mil. The first ones off the lines will sell for as High as the people selling them for can make it. After a while the prices should solidify at around 500 mil or a little less. I will probably sell them when I can make a fair 20%, when prices drop below that I will stop the sales.
Macro Miners;
My Philosophy on them, is that they are not a reason to penalize the rest of us. By cranking up Concord, the option to suicide them was more or less removed.
Macro Miners are CCP's problem to deal with, they are the ones with the Ban hammer. It is only my oppinion, but the pessimists that use Macro Miners as an excuse NOT to do something only hurt those of us that ar not Macro Miners. When I find them, I report them, beyond that, i would ask everyone to please leave them out of the forums.
Every thread I have ever seen about mining, has some statement like;
"Oh Sure, Lets help the Maco Miners."
I have to wonder about the people posting them, and their motivations, because they are obviously not in the thread to help the rest of us.
It was stated, that in a future expansion that there was a possibility of adding an ORE ONLY cargo bay to the Orca. My Hopes for this ship are tied to that statement, or, the ability to access its hold from a freighter sometime in the future. Otherwise, I would have to agree with everyone's assessment that the cargo space is too small.
Cheers!
My eyes are bleeding now.
|
Thorson Wiles
Minmatar
M3 Co-Op
|
Posted - 2008.11.10 02:05:00 -
[614]
Originally by: Kalderion Mar
... or alternatively using another Orca to haul with, which WOULD save running three haulers, what remains to be seen is if it will be capable of keeping up since it will go to warp much slower than a hauler.
Using your numbers, unless having to go out of system far a station, an Orca as a haule will be able to keep up, I'm thinking easily, but that's to be seen.
Originally by: Kalderion Mar
... Otherwise, I would have to agree with everyone's assessment that the cargo space is too small.
Maxed out (L4, Expanders & T1+ 2xT2 Optimizations) 103k m3 + 40k (Assuming in a corp) = 143k ... Not bad at all.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Umm, yeah. Don't have any time to talk now. Maybe later.
Ahh, you wouldn't happen to have any duct-tape, bailing wire or bubble-gun would ya? Don't a |
Max Essen
Gallente
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company
Wildly Inappropriate.
|
Posted - 2008.11.10 02:09:00 -
[615]
Edited by: Max Essen on 10/11/2008 02:09:24
Kind of concerned about the Orca BPO still.
We are only a few days from deployment and the Capital construction values still seem a bit out of wack when compared to the Rorq. I will not go into details as many others have posted the same.
Assuming this is the final disposition, so be it. I will still be in line to buy or build one fairly early. Well, after the initial "****" of the early adopters is over. 
Real Men Structure-Tank
|
Ahsekuaw
Brother Theo's Monastery
|
Posted - 2008.11.10 04:37:00 -
[616]
Edited by: Ahsekuaw on 10/11/2008 04:37:59
I've checked out the Orca on SISI. It's a cool ship and I like the concept. However, I feel it's falling short on a couple of fronts. First and formost is the cargo capacity. Pimping it up to 90K just isn't going to cut it. Using round numbers, a pair of hulks with will produce roughly 30K m3 of ore in roughly 9 minutes. More with gang bonuses. That means you are out of space in 27 minutes. It will take you another 10 minutes to fill the corp hanger bay. So in 37 minutes you've maxed out the entire cargo capacity of this ship. 4 Hulks will max this ship out 18.5 minutes. Please enable ore compression. As it stands now, I can't justify that much isk for a ship that I will frequently have to head back to base to offload or dump to a hauler when that hauler pilot could be in a Covetor or Hulk. I think this ship should have the ability to stay in the belts for a minimum of 2 and a half hours.
It takes this ship 41 seconds to do a 180 and go to warp (yes, I timed it). Can the turning speed be polished just a touch to say roughly 25 or 30 seconds to do a 180?
Drone space. A Hulk has 50m3. This is a sub cap. Can't we bump that to 125 m3?
High slots. I'd love the ability to slot in a couple of strip miners with this in addition to a tracor and gang mods. So how about 5 high slots?
Here's the skill tradeoff. Mining Director Level 4 and Warfare Link Specialist to Level 5.
My 2 cents. 
Ahs
|
Kellen Tavadon
Caldari
Orion Federation
|
Posted - 2008.11.10 06:16:00 -
[617]
I'd like to point a few things out since no one seems to have figured it out after 22 pages:
1. It only can fit up to 2 Mining Links + 1 Tractor because YOU DON'T NEED the Capacitor reducing Mining Link. If you're working with Hulks, Retrievers, whatever..it doesn't need them 'less you mine by activating and deactivating your lasers on and off a million times.
2. It's built as a moving container that can buff miners and tractor in ore of fellow miners that are far away. Think of it as a jet-can ship.
3. It won't get ore compression. It'll never happen because there's no need. There's tons of ore in Empire space and it's not like someone is going to shoot you if you're caught mining up here. Ror has it cause in 0.0 you want to get all the ore you can before the alliance who owns that belt finds you there :P
4. Mining Barge V, why? IT'S MADE BY ORE! OMG people it's made by the damn EVE universe MINING CORPORATION! No duh it has Mining Barge as a req. HELL! Ror has that same reqs! If you're gonna ***** over this then why aren't we *****ing over why Ror isn't a Transport V req'd as well?
5. More than likely nothing from these 22 pages of whining will get anywhere since the Orca has all it's features and numbers stamped in tritanium and it'll never change.
Oh and Lord Drack sucks.
|
nvis
|
Posted - 2008.11.10 08:11:00 -
[618]
man it needs at least 4 hi slots that could equip strip minners. cuz not all industrialist are in a corp. other than that its a great ship and will help out on alot of areas gogd job all n' all though
|
Ko Shimin
Minmatar
Independent Terran Empire
Terran Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.11.10 10:07:00 -
[619]
Originally by: Kalderion Mar
A mazed out Orca can carry 4.7 cans.
4.7272727272......
My Maxed out Mining Alt can mine 1963m3 per beam per cycle.
it takes less than 15 minutes to fill a can, without using drones. With 4 of my corpies mining, and using drones, we wil fil the or ca in 15 minutes. At which point, we will be right back where we were without he Orca, running three haulers to keep up, or alternatively using another Orca to haul with, which WOULD save running three haulers, what remains to be seen is if it will be capable of keeping up since it will go to warp much slower than a hauler.
Cheers!
Have 20 miners mine, Orca gathering the stuff into it's hangars and a nearby freighter taking the stuff from the Orca hangar to it's own cargohold.. sweet
|
Athamai
|
Posted - 2008.11.10 14:36:00 -
[620]
Originally by: CCP Fallout
This is the news weÆve all been waiting for! That whale of a ship, the Orca, will hit Singularity soon, and CCP Chronotis has written a dev blog on this long-awaited, upcoming addition to the game.
ChronotisÆ blog includes not only extensive details about the Orca, but a screenshot as well. You can read all about it by pointing your browser here.
Ship is pretty worthless without ore compression... It certainly can't be used as a hauler because it's the command ship so that leaves a link bonus(nice) and ability to store crystals...big deal. You could use it as a glorified storage can for ore but that's kinda weak for 400 million ISK.
|
Jonak
Gallente
|
Posted - 2008.11.10 15:50:00 -
[621]
The T2 cargo rigs will cost more than this ship.
After I tested the Orca on sisi when it was first released, I came to the conclusion that this ship shouldn't cost more than a freighter. I'm still convinced of this. But to get the most out of it you will need some T2 cargo rigs.
They will be very expensive when they hit the market most likely. It's a big hauler with mining gang links in the hi slots. Nothing more.
But I will have one. 
|
Mini Mizer
|
Posted - 2008.11.10 20:20:00 -
[622]
More Turrets, More Drones, More slots, Allow it more configuration options.
more more more please
need more options for everything in EVE...
How about some new skills to allow new options, like an additional slot or more drone space or more bandwidth or a new implant.
Would like additional diverse setups that are worthwhile on ships.
GL
|
Kalderion Mar
|
Posted - 2008.11.10 20:57:00 -
[623]
Originally by: Thorson Wiles
Originally by: Kalderion Mar
... or alternatively using another Orca to haul with, which WOULD save running three haulers, what remains to be seen is if it will be capable of keeping up since it will go to warp much slower than a hauler.
Using your numbers, unless having to go out of system far a station, an Orca as a haule will be able to keep up, I'm thinking easily, but that's to be seen.
Originally by: Kalderion Mar
... Otherwise, I would have to agree with everyone's assessment that the cargo space is too small.
Maxed out (L4, Expanders & T1+ 2xT2 Optimizations) 103k m3 + 40k (Assuming in a corp) = 143k ... Not bad at all.
Aye Thorson, its not often I mine in a system with a station. was originally my hope that this thing would make mining two or three jumps from a station an easier thing to do. |
Exxon Longbow
|
Posted - 2008.11.10 22:23:00 -
[624]
Edited by: Exxon Longbow on 10/11/2008 22:25:30
I hope CCP will address how they mislead many players into thinking the Orca is a semi hauler.
For 400mil i would expect half of the cargo capacity of a freighter without any rigs at all.
Why the hell would a hauler train up all that mining leadership and barge skills for a ship with a base load less than that of a pimped itty V?
Orca doesn't fill the gap between the industrial and the freighter. Its a glorified jetcan with commandlink capabilities.
Whilst I believe the Orca will be good for mining operations, we still need a pure hauling ship that fills the gap between the badger and charon or itty and obelisk
For those who cant be bothered reading my rant:
ORCA IS NOT FOR HAULING - IT IS NOT A HAULING SHIP
ORCA DOES NOT FILL GAP BETWEEN INDUSTRIAL / FREIGHTER
- Ship Baseload Cost ISK/m3 ratio
Itty V 6000 .95mil 158.3 ISK/m3
Badger II 5250 .78mil 148.6 ISK/m3
Obelisk 750000 850mil 1133.3 ISK/m3
Charon 785000 850mil 1082.8 ISK/m3
Orca 30000 400mil 13333.3 ISK/m3
OrcaPimped 100000 400mil 4000 ISK/m3
But yes Orca is a good ship for organised mining, point of this post is to inform those who are solely into hauling and less informed in the logistics side of things. So to all those haulers out there, sorry this ship ain't for you -
keep waiting ... |
Darth Vaders
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.11.12 02:25:00 -
[625]
Orca is the one of the greatest ships of the game. Congrats CCP! It can fill a variety of roles being mining buddy, looting ship for missions, high sec carrier , and very good hauler filling a gap between the freighters and the transport ships.
It is good that is needs mining barde to 5. It's a way to reward a bit those players that spend their time to train as miners instead of flying fancy HACs and do some pew pew. (i for one)
For several reasons i never use the Hulk i posess and i prefer runing missions with my alt in a different account. Now this Orca addition will be very rewarding for this character that till now was feeling like he had wasted his time training mining bardge to 5 for nothing since mining is not very profitable business compaired to other things.
Now with the Orca new potential for carreer is opened to all these neglected miners like me and i have to thank you for that CCP once more |
Raczak
|
Posted - 2008.11.12 09:05:00 -
[626]
this ship looks great, but if its suppose to help out for mining ops, why not have 4 high slots? 3 for your mind links and 1 for your tractor beam
|
Immersive
Immersive Technology Solutions
|
Posted - 2008.11.12 12:26:00 -
[627]
I swear, some people read to the end of the OP and then TL;DR, straight to the end.
Cargo Hold too small?
don't fly it, stick with your fleet of Iteron V's.
Can't use it in NPC Corps?
Create your own corp, it's a once off fee of a few mil, and free thereafter.
Can't use it solo?
it's an Mining Command ship, it's not supposed to be solo.
Can't Command and Haul?
Can't e-war and tackle at the same time either. Pick a purpose and fit for that purpose. If the purpose changes later, refit it.
But the macrominers?
Can't use corp hangar unless you're in a player corp.
So if they're not in a Player Corp?
Nothing changes except it doesn't warp as often, they still jet-can mine.
Ok, what if they ARE in a Player Corp?
War Dec!
---
New to the API? GrabRaw XML
It's coming...
|
Psyche Lock
|
Posted - 2008.11.12 21:18:00 -
[628]
Most macro miners I see just use a hulk with cargo expanders and eat 1 roid at a time until full, then they dump off, come back, rinse repeat. Avoids the can flippers, the drone molesters, etc. Their tanks are enough to not die to any NPC rats before their hold fills up.
|
Blue Merlin
|
Posted - 2008.11.13 17:45:00 -
[629]
Edited by: Blue Merlin on 13/11/2008 17:53:35
Edited by: Blue Merlin on 13/11/2008 17:47:18
Well, it's been released and we're busy building and MEing and explaining about job queues and construction times to prospective clients so it's too late for those who won't. But it's never too late to try and explain, even to those who refuse to understand.
Quote:
if the ship dose not have ore compression the 90k to <snip> then it will not be worth isk to buy it.
Well it will be worth it and possible reasons for doing so have been explained but, if you don't think so, then don't buy it. Problem solved.
Quote:
It takes this ship 41 seconds to do a 180 and go to warp (yes, I timed it). Can the turning speed be polished just a touch to say roughly 25 or 30 seconds to do a 180?
Ah yes, somebody who doesn't know how to fly a ship. You have a little control called "Align to" - there is no need to even consider turning speed if you align before filling your cargo space.
Quote:
Orca___________30000_____400mil_____13333.3 ISK/m3
FFS, this has been already been explained in detail. The baseload is not 30,000m3, it's 71,500m3.
Quote:
Why the hell would a hauler train up all that mining leadership and barge skills for a ship with a base load less than that of a pimped itty V?
Because a pimped out/up Itty 5 costs a lot more than a basic Orca and carries a lot less?
Quote:
Well if you have such nice belts, then by all means post where they are
And still you don't get it - you need to get out a bit more and find some new spots - I've not had any problems. And I won't bother with the bit about helping competitors on to a level playing field and stuff like that.
Quote:
It's a big hauler with mining gang links in the hi slots. Nothing more. But I will have one.
Congratulations on missing out on the other situations when this boat can be used.
Quote:
For the 1 to 2 billion that it will take to buy or make a Orca
Complete and utter cobblers and that's without mentioning that a mining corps can get all the minerals by mining.
Quote:
everyone's assessment that the cargo space is too small
It's not everyone's assessment, just the opinion of those who don't understand.
|
Cyberman Mastermind
|
Posted - 2008.11.14 08:40:00 -
[630]
Originally by: Blue Merlin
Complete and utter cobblers and that's without mentioning that a mining corps can get all the minerals by mining.
So, the minerals the corp mined don't have any value?... |
| |
|
| Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 .. 23 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |