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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Trinity Council.
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Posted - 2008.12.02 02:09:00 -
[121]
 Originally by: Terranid Meester
How ironic - one of the ultimate carebear ships turned against those who would love it most. The worm has turned 
Now if those pirates could make good use of this to gank the isk farming navy ravens and golems in Sivala I would be most grateful :D
but this is funny right here,
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.12.02 02:18:00 -
[122]
1. You're all tight together and thusly easy to kill.
2. Warp off?
3. dont stick around to watch what blinkies are doing?
Hulk doesnt mine from warp in. So BS or whatever has to show up 15+ km from you... which takes time to fly...
clearly there's things u can do about this.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.12.02 02:21:00 -
[123]
To the OP: that's just AWESOME.
Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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spike XIII
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.12.02 02:47:00 -
[124]
Originally by: tomatoe
just get an alt to suicide shoot at your'e hulk,, concord will pop them and then hang around the belt while u mine away,,,,,
what he said. i do this a lot when mining in 0.5
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.02 02:47:00 -
[125]
Awesome work by the pirate guys, now THIS is "pirating" proper 
Absolutely nothing wrong, all working as intended, was wondering what was taking so long, actually, since the Orca makes is so much easier and/or cheaper to do what could be done before anyway (too much hassle needed in case of insurance use since you'd have to survive the station exit AND make the attack ; too low rewards for neutral alt providing ships by piloting them).
All that might be needed possibly is
a) a "list/sort by security status" in highsec local
b) optional, if it's not implemented yet (I think it wasn't implemented yet, IIRC, but I might be wrong about this particular delay) the talked-about "outlaw get no insurance when popped by CONCORD"
...but that's about the full extent of things that should/could be done about this, if even that much.
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KISOGOKU
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Posted - 2008.12.02 02:49:00 -
[126]
Edited by: KISOGOKU on 02/12/2008 02:48:57
You busted their safes ?
1-Fit a BS with smartbombs , insure
2-Warp to their safe
3-Activate smartbombs
4-profit ?
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Arkeladin
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:01:00 -
[127]
Thinking about it, there's a REAL EASY fix to this issue.
All it would require is some modification to the rules CONCORD uses.
To wit:
Eliminate the profit motive, by making it a CONCORDable offense to pick up cans that you do not own. Not just a local criminal flag, but a GCF with CONCORD appearing and popping the offender. Of course, have this in highsec only.
This would also eliminate the can-flipper fromt he game as well, as what's the point of trying to flip a can if you get CONCORDED for doing so, in highsec?
That would eliminate a lot of this kind of thing, as there would be NO profit in it whatsoever. Combine this with the "no insurance for being CONCORDED" idea, and you'd eliminate just about all highsec piracy.
Which may or may not be a Good Thing...
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:09:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Arkeladin
Thinking about it, there's a REAL EASY fix to this issue.
All it would require is some modification to the rules CONCORD uses.
To wit:
Eliminate the profit motive, by making it a CONCORDable offense to pick up cans that you do not own. Not just a local criminal flag, but a GCF with CONCORD appearing and popping the offender. Of course, have this in highsec only.
This would also eliminate the can-flipper fromt he game as well, as what's the point of trying to flip a can if you get CONCORDED for doing so, in highsec?
That would eliminate a lot of this kind of thing, as there would be NO profit in it whatsoever. Combine this with the "no insurance for being CONCORDED" idea, and you'd eliminate just about all highsec piracy.
Which may or may not be a Good Thing...
Most laughable idea I've ever heard.
Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Mister Poopypants
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:09:00 -
[129]
Originally by: KISOGOKU
Edited by: KISOGOKU on 02/12/2008 02:48:57
You busted their safes ?
1-Fit a BS with smartbombs , insure
2-Warp to their safe
3-Activate smartbombs
4-profit ?
Pretty much this. OP is fail.
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Koyama Ise
Caldari
Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:11:00 -
[130]
Originally by: spike XIII
Originally by: tomatoe
just get an alt to suicide shoot at your'e hulk,, concord will pop them and then hang around the belt while u mine away,,,,,
what he said. i do this a lot when mining in 0.5
I remember one CCP member saying if you do this with a disposable alt it's an exploit though I'm not sure.
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Originally by: rValdez5987
I dont like your sig. It fills me with rage.
I want it removed. Reported.
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SSgt Sniper
Gallente
MAIDS
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:15:00 -
[131]
Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 02/12/2008 03:15:53
Interesting tactics, gotta give them that.
My feeling is when concord related insurance is removed, (which supposedly is in the works for next year according to CSM) that would solve this issue.
However, I have an idea to deal with this. Mail me your TZ ingame OP, and I'll try to set up a chat with you to share information.
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Grohalmatar
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:18:00 -
[132]
Sounds like a good pirate tactic to me.
There are plenty of ways you could have paid them back but you chose not too.
When players demand that CCP step in to correct game play that could be corrected by players, the game gets worse. When players use tactics to correct game play that they don't like, the game gets better.
Make the game better and fight back. Couple of pod kills and they will move on to another corp mining op.
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Qwert0
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:20:00 -
[133]
I admit, it's a clever tactic, but to all the 'hardcore' pirates saying to bring protection: how, EXACTLY, can you protect ships made of wet cardboard against WTZ disco ships that have nearly no consequences for use?
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Haakelen
Gallente
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:24:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Qwert0
I admit, it's a clever tactic, but to all the 'hardcore' pirates saying to bring protection: how, EXACTLY, can you protect ships made of wet cardboard against WTZ disco ships that have nearly no consequences for use?
Tank the hulks. Keep remote reppers next to them, already locked, ready to assist if anything happens. Stay aligned. Stay out of tight blobs so you mitigate the risk of a smartbomber. All kinds of ways.
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Woodwraith
Total Mayhem.
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:32:00 -
[135]
Barges dont have the grid to buffer tank a disco boat, i dont mean to shoot you right down, but thats not gonna work, theyll be dead before the basi pilots can get to the f-keys.
spread out, so they cant get more than one guy is fine, but its essentially a lossless suicide gank.
im not a big fan of shodding up the UI even more than it its, but what about a little "ding!" icon in high sec when a -10 guy comes in system?
I know you can sort local to show red skulls, but in a busy system panning up and down local the whole time is kinda like :stabhead:
its tough to find high sec that doesnt get 30+ heads in it.
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Tnilf
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:35:00 -
[136]
An orca doesnt really make anything new possible. Just makes it marginally easier. You could do the same thing w/ a pos and ship maint array.... And to the person who said you could do it w/ a freighter needs to fly a freighter more.....
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
L8L8L8
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:39:00 -
[137]
this is so awesome, i am getting an orca
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Koyama Ise
Caldari
Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:41:00 -
[138]
I just wanted to make sure. Did all the people saying kill the pods forget pods instawarp and without a bubble or lag it's almost impossible to catch them?
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Originally by: rValdez5987
I dont like your sig. It fills me with rage.
I want it removed. Reported.
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Shirley Serious
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:49:00 -
[139]
exhumers can fit some form of tank.
but what does this sort of thing mean for the thin-skinned mining barges? don't use them at all?
I'm also not liking many of the options proposed, namely using alts to do stuff - remote repair, summon concord etc . Shouldn't metagaming be discouraged?
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Noriko Rei
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:53:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Grohalmatar
Sounds like a good pirate tactic to me.
There are plenty of ways you could have paid them back but you chose not too.
When players demand that CCP step in to correct game play that could be corrected by players, the game gets worse. When players use tactics to correct game play that they don't like, the game gets better.
Make the game better and fight back. Couple of pod kills and they will move on to another corp mining op.
This is precisely the problem. The griefers will go to wherever there is no risk; if there is to be risk borne by everyone, carebears and "pirates" alike, then there must be a real, constant, immutable consequence for harassing pilots in supposedly secure space, just as there is a real, constant, and immutable consequence for being stupid as a carebear.
As there will always be corporations who simply do not have the resources to withstand this sort of thing, you are not proposing an equitable solution by chanting the pirates' own mantra of "fight back." You know as well as the rest of us how laughable that is in practice, as such things are far easier said than done.
Placing the entire burden of "enforcing" balance upon typically unarmed industrialists who have neither the combat skills nor resources to do so is tantamount to saying you're all in favor of imbalance, as long as that imbalance favors your playstyle of griefing the helpless.
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Kessiaan
Minmatar
Army of One
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Posted - 2008.12.02 03:53:00 -
[141]
Edited by: Kessiaan on 02/12/2008 03:53:59
Just do it like you do in lowsec grav sites - have one guy in your op do nothing but watch the scanner, if he sees a big fleet suddenly closing at 1M KMs, everyone goes to warp and docks up. You'll be gone before they can lock you, so long as you're already somewhat-aligned.
Also: Suiciding their safed Orca with cheap, fully insured T1 BS's would be an epic **** you and I would lol much.
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Clarisaa
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Posted - 2008.12.02 04:12:00 -
[142]
Maybe stating the obvious but were you aligned when mining or just pointing in a random direction? Being aligned reduces warp out to seconds even when stationnary, hit warp when flashy reds arrive.
Could hire a couple of people to sit by your mining ops in tanked T1 sniping BS? You dont need butt loads of Mag Stabs / Gyroscopes / Heat Sinks to snipe out gank BC and if these insured targets are hit instead of your hulks, concord show up and the protection did their job. Either stop the person firing the bullet or the bullet.
Or, have an alt sitting at the gate waiting for the flashy red pods to show up? Be on extra alert when the Neutral Orca pilot is in local? (Can't be that many)
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.02 04:13:00 -
[143]
meh, we have just been jumping from lowsec into highsec with t1 cruisers. 
I remember when everyone was saying the sensible thing to do was just to remove the concord insurance payout, but instead ccp decided to decrease concord response time and increase sec hits *giggle giggle*
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2008.12.02 04:17:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Mr M
It's not an exploit yet. But I'm quite sure CCP will do something about it in the next couple of days, and then a lot of people while whine about how evil CCP is at the forum. Oh how unexpected.
Its not an exploit. At all. The only way you could deem it an exploit if is if you made suicide ganking itself an exploit.
Yes. Outlaws CAN be in high sec, they have methods in place to stop you from being there. You can escape faction police as an outlaw.
Yes. CONCORD did respond when ship aggression occurred, the involved parties all lost their ships as by game rules.
You have to give credit to the pilots who pulled this off, it would require some pretty good teamwork and coordination. The faction police rarely waste any time to web,neut and start dealing craptons of DPS on outlaws in ships.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.02 04:19:00 -
[145]
Insurance being paid when you are Concorded is a total joke.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Threv Echandari
Caldari
K Directorate
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Posted - 2008.12.02 04:21:00 -
[146]
Wow that is Brilliant. I knew the Orca would have a combat use waht withthat Maint bay, but not being a pirate I never would have though that... effing brilliant hats off to the pirates that did it. I hope CCP doesn't do anything though TBH thats good and legitimate use of agmae mechanics..well sort of, there should be a way to freely attack the Neutral Orca pilot for aiding and abetting.. but let the players be able to do it not a Concordokken.
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Grohalmatar
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.12.02 04:24:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Noriko Rei
This is precisely the problem. The griefers will go to wherever there is no risk; if there is to be risk borne by everyone, carebears and "pirates" alike, then there must be a real, constant, immutable consequence for harassing pilots in supposedly secure space, just as there is a real, constant, and immutable consequence for being stupid as a carebear.
As there will always be corporations who simply do not have the resources to withstand this sort of thing, you are not proposing an equitable solution by chanting the pirates' own mantra of "fight back." You know as well as the rest of us how laughable that is in practice, as such things are far easier said than done.
Placing the entire burden of "enforcing" balance upon typically unarmed industrialists who have neither the combat skills nor resources to do so is tantamount to saying you're all in favor of imbalance, as long as that imbalance favors your playstyle of griefing the helpless.
I guess the problem is I don't understand what makes them helpless. Surely innovative game play shouldn't be sacrificed for the "inconvenient" couple of days needed to train a character that could kill some flashy pods in high sec.
The word "balance" is simply a rosy way of saying I can't be bothered with an equally innovative way to fight back. And if gameplay becomes "imbalanced" in a way that means I can no longer prey on the "helpless", well you can be damned sure that me and my corpies will find a new way to do so.
Exploits are a different story. But game play offers plenty of opportunities to counter this instance.
And besides, its just freakin COOL!
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Clarisaa
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Posted - 2008.12.02 04:41:00 -
[148]
Attacking the pods as they enter through the gates is one way. Personally i would just look for them in local and warp as they hit local. Can you set them all to -10 in corp standings so they show as red stars in local?
I think probing out the Orca and attacking the pods as they arrive at the Orca is a good counter attack. This would assume the Orca is not sitting cloaked at a safe spot until his mates arrive.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.02 05:13:00 -
[149]
there is only two reasonable responses to this:
1) Do nothing. It's eve, it's dangerous.
2) Remove insurance payouts for concord deaths (screw the story in question. shouldn't exist to begin with)
Either is acceptable.
Knowing CCP they will nerf the Orca bay/ make concord pod people/ make empire stargates not work for people with -10/ remove the orca from highsec/ increase concord response to instant and their damage to infinite upon first shot/ etc etc etc
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Sun Zoo
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Posted - 2008.12.02 05:16:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Brevada
How about make anybody that lets outlaws use their bays get concorded for aiding pirates? problem solved
Or make Orca bays only hold Industrials or ORE ships.
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