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Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:09:00 - [31] Originally by: Thoren Gregson These -10 guys are flying into empire space in PODS. OMG SPLOIT Come on. Fetchez la vache !
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:10:00 - [32] Originally by: Artemis Rose It doesn't sound like an exploit, just a suicide gank op that has to be more frantic because you facing NPC police (for being an outlaw) and CONCORD for actually firing on people. 1. Outlaws CAN be in high sec, they just get shot by all players and they will trigger NPC faction police spawns (that web,neut and do some pretty big DPS). Its not an exploit for an outlaw player to be in high sec, to fly around in high sec, to aggress other players in high sec. 2. The result would have been the same if they were non flashy. In fact, it'd be much easier to organize simply because you would not have to be evading NPC faction police anytime an outlaw was in a ship. You are correct toa certain point. Outlaws are by the game mechanics still let into highsec but, and this is a big but, they are not supposed to be able to easily organise and execute any military operations in high sec. Before the Orca it was a total hassle to run an op like the op described but now it will simply be lulz park an orca just off the grid to your targets and pew pew all day long with no meaningful mechanics to stop it. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Dyaven The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:11:00 - [33] Originally by: Zeba with no meaningful mechanics to stop it. Kill the orca? ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use an image that will display - Fallout
Karille Gallente Cold Templars Templar Initiative	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:12:00 - [34] They can do it with or without an orca, that part is irrelevant
Haakelen Gallente Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:12:00 - [35] Originally by: Zeba Before the Orca it was a total hassle to run an op like the op described but now it will simply be lulz park an orca just off the grid to your targets and pew pew all day long with no meaningful mechanics to stop it. Shoot them?
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:12:00 - [36] Originally by: Jmanis Catharg 2. The ORCA pilot isn't an outlaw. Even if this were true, they'd use alts to provide ships so what's the point. Fetchez la vache !
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:14:00 - [37] Very clever on part of the gankers. Once again proving that no matter what you do the gankers will always be killing the terrible players. The fact that you immediately came back with hulks and started mining again is a shockingly huge mistake on your part. This cannot be intended. As for fixes, how about a -10 player cannot board a ship in high sec? Kills this method and makes sense. I'm actually not that familiar with the -10.0 high sec police. Can you do the same thing the OP is talking about with ships in station instead of in a Orca? -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Novantco The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:15:00 - [38] Kudos to the pirates who thought up this idea!
Mr Deviant	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:17:00 - [39] <--- Orca pilot for hire with orca. Suicide gankers welcome. Will accept %loot, and/or lowsec/nullsec immunity/protection.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:19:00 - [40] Originally by: Dyaven Originally by: Zeba with no meaningful mechanics to stop it. Kill the orca? You mean the orca with the alt pilot in the npc corp? Yup that will go over well. Originally by: Haakelen Originally by: Zeba Before the Orca it was a total hassle to run an op like the op described but now it will simply be lulz park an orca just off the grid to your targets and pew pew all day long with no meaningful mechanics to stop it. Shoot them? Yes and how is a mining op in high sec supposed to shoot at the incoming suicide gank from off the grid? Clairvoyance? "Hey faeifhu12388 my spidey senses are tingling! What you mean flower4455? I have a feeling we are about to get ganked so quick to the station for our combat ships stat!" Don't get me wrong as I adore this new tactic I'm just saying you better get your jollies in now before CCP wakes up and applies the nerfbat is all. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Vak'ran	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:20:00 - [41] Originally by: Vaal Erit Can you do the same thing the OP is talking about with ships in station instead of in a Orca? They go pop, sentry guns not liking. ----- Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forums.
RedSplat Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:24:00 - [42] It is not an exploit. But if you whine enough i am sure CCP will change something so you are perfectly safe in highsec. Again. Would OP corp hop if he as wardec'd; by non-outlaws whom wouldn't get a sec hit for doing so? My bet is yes. OP doesn't want risks, the smokescreen he puts up in the OP post doesn't obscure this. But hell, lets punish player ingenuity! There was even talk of French toast But there was none to be had
K'uata Sayus	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:27:00 - [43] OMFG! THE ASTEROIDS ARE FIGHTING BACK!! EVERYONE SEEMS NORMAL UNTIL YOU GET TO KNOW THEM.
Blondieonsum Endless Opportunities	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:28:00 - [44] Edited by: Blondieonsum on 01/12/2008 21:30:09 Isn't it time concord started podding? Or pod warp drive activation time to be heavily decreased? Or high sec gates are locked to -5 and below? Keep the pirates in low sec where we want them to be? Great pirating though
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:38:00 - [45] Pretty clever I should say and I do not think that it is an exploit. But I feel that things are going to start boiling over soon Slade Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine. ≡v≡
shoo e'nuff Maelstrom Legion	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:39:00 - [46] Brilliant! Absolutly Brilliant! Kudos to the priates that came up with this, it is a great tactic. To the op, I would suggest checking the sec status of everyone in local(might be a pain but could save you some isk). Also haveing a couple well skilled pilots cloaked near by or camping the gate/gates for these -10 guys you should be able to kill them enough that its not worth there time. Or you could join an alliance/high someone for protection. Who's the master? Shoo E'nuff
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:40:00 - [47] Originally by: Vak'ran Originally by: Vaal Erit Can you do the same thing the OP is talking about with ships in station instead of in a Orca? They go pop, sentry guns not liking. With insta undocks I think you can warp off, rep your armor, pop some cap boosters and move on to ganking position. I'm a bit confused to why people haven't done this before with alts ejecting from a ship. Orca can carry a few BC, but it can't carry a BS so I don't think the Orca is the problem here. Suicide ganking was nerfed SEVERELY so you need more people to do it and it looks like that is what has happened. Actually what is the problem here again? As for "omg they come out of nowhere I can't sees them before". How about you learn2overview, ****ing noob. They appear in local in bright colors. -- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Leon Angeal	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:41:00 - [48] This has those lovely bunch of well-to-do gentlemen known as the goons written all over it...
Thoren Gregson	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:42:00 - [49] Quote: Yes and how is a mining op in high sec supposed to shoot at the incoming suicide gank from off the grid? Clairvoyance? "Hey faeifhu12388 my spidey senses are tingling! What you mean flower4455? I have a feeling we are about to get ganked so quick to the station for our combat ships stat!"Razz Don't get me wrong as I adore this new tactic I'm just saying you better get your jollies in now before CCP wakes up and applies the nerfbat is all. This is pretty much what I'm talking about. After discovering how this was done, we considered ways to counter it. As a small industry corp our options are limited but we intend to try to counter it as it stands. However we are not optimistic for some of the reasons you have stated. The main rub with this tactic is this: Vetted, high Skill Point pilots that are -10 sec are able to launch medium scale attacks as deep into empire as they want, with little to no way prevent it. This is a very mobile op that can be moved around at will and totally circumvents the security status mechanic. Yes, the 4 or 5 of us can attempt to shoot the 12-14 of them at the safe spot. Infact that's the plan untill they decide to leave a few guys behind to guard the safe spot. I tried to make it clear we are not crying because of the loss or even because suicide ganking is possible... The issue is, -10 players should not be able to launch offensive strikes into empire. And yes.. I'd agree to just do away with insurance all together as well. Anything that stops suicide gankers from having NO loss from there actions. Anyway, for those that think this isn't a big deal and I'm crying over nothing blah blah... Just wait and see. I'm sharing this in the forum this way because we all know nothing gets fixed in Eve unless enough people know/talk about it. and to warn people that it's going on. Thankfully we have enough assets that we can adjust for awhile, but like I mentioned before.. it's going to become wide spread quickly. All those low sec pirates don't have to wait around at low sec gates anymore hoping some juicy target will fly into the web, now with a little organization, they can go out to any empire belt they want and do there thing.
Brevada Sad Panda Inc. Unaffiliated	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:44:00 - [50] How about make anybody that lets outlaws use their bays get concorded for aiding pirates? problem solved
Mr Deviant	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:45:00 - [51] In a very perverted way, coming from a carebear, I like this development. I now know I can not take my dog for a walk while I mine. And if this moves the suicide gankers from gates to belts, even better.
AleRiperKilt	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:51:00 - [52] Originally by: Brevada How about make anybody that lets outlaws use their bays get concorded for aiding pirates? problem solved Agreed, allowing outlaws to access your Orca's bay should be as concordable as remote repping them. Now the case where an alt drops fitted ships in a safespot, just have the police escort them while on pod, if they hop into a ship they get insta-scrammed. --- "I live in Los Angeles, where driving is non-consensual pvp" - Arric Rohr
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:52:00 - [53] Originally by: Vaal Erit As for "omg they come out of nowhere I can't sees them before". How about you learn2overview, ****ing noob. They appear in local in bright colors. I think the argument here is that it makes it too easy for -10 who should be pwnd as soon as they enter empire and not that suicide ganking is 'wrong' or too easy or hard. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Haakelen Gallente Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:53:00 - [54] Originally by: Brevada How about make anybody that lets outlaws use their bays get concorded for aiding pirates? problem solved Someone will run lofty-style gags with this, and it will be awesome seeing the same people who cried for this to happen, come back and cry to get it reversed.
Vak'ran	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:54:00 - [55] Originally by: Vaal Erit Originally by: Vak'ran Originally by: Vaal Erit Can you do the same thing the OP is talking about with ships in station instead of in a Orca? They go pop, sentry guns not liking. With insta undocks I think you can warp off, rep your armor, pop some cap boosters and move on to ganking position. I'm a bit confused to why people haven't done this before with alts ejecting from a ship. Orca can carry a few BC, but it can't carry a BS so I don't think the Orca is the problem here. Suicide ganking was nerfed SEVERELY so you need more people to do it and it looks like that is what has happened. Actually what is the problem here again? As for "omg they come out of nowhere I can't sees them before". How about you learn2overview, ***ing noob. They appear in local in bright colors. well yeah the orca thing just seems to make the whole process quicker and cheaper. And it has been done before, in all shapes and forms, you prolly never noticed the whines till now :) Still agree with the OP in terms of the no consequences thing being bad. But then how to sort without resorting to stupid ideas like making T2 'free'? Stuff's already too cheap and too easy (quick!) to replace imo, hell its part of the no consequences thing to begin with. ----- Vak'Ran is your local official non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forums.*
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.01 21:54:00 - [56] The big question here is: How can the Orca get combat ships into the ship maint bay while the Rorqual can't? Isn't the Orca supposed to be 'little bro' to the Rorqual? The Rrorqual gives and error that only industrial ships can dock in the maint bay. CCP's oversight maybe? Also, I have to admit that what is the point of a sec status restriction in certain sec systems if a pod can still enter? You get a warning that you're entering lowsec when you try to jump through a gate, the same system should be in place to prevent those with -5 or lower entering highsec. Sorry if this sounds too restrictive to those with a low sec rating but you earned that rating for illegal actions and it should be enforced, pod as well. If you were in the outback and preyed on innocent passers-by, you would be branded an outlaw. since the police would probably be unable to catch you there, you would be free to roam. However, if you entered a town either in a car or on foot, you would be arrested and put in jail. Therefore your action creates a virtual boundary into the civilised world that you can't cross. Since Concord don't pod, it should be a physical boundary. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.12.01 22:02:00 - [57] Originally by: Dantes Revenge The big question here is: How can the Orca get combat ships into the ship maint bay while the Rorqual can't? Isn't the Orca supposed to be 'little bro' to the Rorqual? The Rrorqual gives and error that only industrial ships can dock in the maint bay. CCP's oversight maybe? Nope orca is a jack of all trade sub-capital industrial command ship. Its maint bay will accept all ships so that annoying little glitch about transporting rigged ships in high-sec got fixed. Methinks CPP may have already thought of this specific situation though as they did exclude battleships from the orcas bay and never really explained in detail why they did it. Originally by: Dantes Revenge Also, I have to admit that what is the point of a sec status restriction in certain sec systems if a pod can still enter? You get a warning that you're entering lowsec when you try to jump through a gate, the same system should be in place to prevent those with -5 or lower entering highsec. Sorry if this sounds too restrictive to those with a low sec rating but you earned that rating for illegal actions and it should be enforced, pod as well. If you were in the outback and preyed on innocent passers-by, you would be branded an outlaw. since the police would probably be unable to catch you there, you would be free to roam. However, if you entered a town either in a car or on foot, you would be arrested and put in jail. Therefore your action creates a virtual boundary into the civilised world that you can't cross. Since Concord don't pod, it should be a physical boundary. Nothing wrong with outlaw mechanics in general so no need to 'fix' it. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.12.01 22:10:00 - [58] Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 01/12/2008 22:11:59 Hilarious read. Ingenius idea, wish I had a peace of this action, but all the people I know seem to be on long leave. @OP, are you seriously telling me you and all your buddies went back to exactly the same spot with some more hulks to mine after you were killed by -10's in cheap ships? I think CCP will nerf this knowing what they're like these days, the Orca connection part anyway, so I'd get your jollies in while you can.
Rellik B00n	Posted - 2008.12.01 22:14:00 - [59] loving their work. I fully expect to see it in the "exploit announcement!" section sometime in the next day or so when i log in however. +10 for ingenuity
Minsc Gallente A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.12.01 22:19:00 - [60] It seems to me that as soon as the -10 pilot boards a ship the faction police should be warping in to blow the ship up and not when they have had time to enter the belt and suicide someone. Also I agree that any pilot who lets an outlaw access their ship maintenance bay in high-sec should get flagged as an accomplice in the act. It's like saying that the getaway driver in a bank robbery isn't guilty if the robbers never make it out of the bank.

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