Originally by: ArmyOfMe

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Originally by: Zeba

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Intersting exploit and noted as the ops text will surely be zapped by a mod.

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not a exploit.
infact this have been done for years, just not with orcas

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Originally by: Superfailsauce

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The pirate runs the risk of running into a semi well fit barge and not popping it.

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Originally by: Decard Sune on 23/03/2008 12:12:37

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Carebear is a derogatory term used by those who feel that every player should be nothing mroe than a target for their pleasure. These individuals usually ha

Originally by: Jack Gilligan

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the answer to this is to flag the Orca pilot to CONCORD for "aiding and abetting", ie if a flashy red goes to and uses the services of another ship that ship should get a GCF then suffer a CONCORD'ing.

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Originally by: Mr M

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Edited by: Mr M on 02/12/2008 00:53:35

Originally by: Thudin

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Originally by: Mr M

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that isn't an exploit yet

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Not an exploit at all. The pirates are still taking a chance by doing this in high sec.

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It's not an exploit yet. But I'm quite sure CCP will do something about it in the next couple of days, and then a lot of people while whine about how evil CCP is at the forum. Oh how unexpected.

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Originally by: Tammaria Snegallja

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Originally by: Jack Gilligan

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the answer to this is to flag the Orca pilot to CONCORD for "aiding and abetting", ie if a flashy red goes to and uses the services of another ship that ship should get a GCF then suffer a CONCORD'ing.

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Easy fix: Go to safespot, eject the ships, dock & go offline. Login -10 chars, fly to safespot, enter ships. Nothing Concord can do against the Orca pilot.

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Originally by: techzer0

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Originally by: Commander Aeris

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I still don't get why pirates blow up their own income I mean, I understand can flipping. Hate it, but it makes the pirates money. Probably more then to splat 10 odd ships to kill a hulk?

Besides, the pirates should all love the macro miners, otherwise they wouldnt have ships to splat.

No macro/carebear miners = no minerals for your ships.


Guess it shows that those pirates that yell that theres too many miners in highsec wouldnt mind giving me some money to show you really don't care about ship prices rising?

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Most well organized pirate corps have their own logistic suppliers, who are profiting from us making the extra stuff they sell worth more. So we're not cutting our own throats, we're hurting the rest of the EVE economy that is not self reliant

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Originally by: Roemy Schneider

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six pages and not one post suggesting wardec'ing the orca...? have privateers left such a hollow shell of the concept...

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Originally by: Avon

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I still don't see what part of this is meant to be an exploit.

For ages pirates have had neutral alts bring them ships at safespots in high-sec.
The only difference here is using an Orca to move the ships.

It is basically the same as suicide ganking has been for ages.

Faction Navy were buffed when factional warfare hit, so it is already harder for these pirates anyway.


The problem is that the OP expects to be safe, and wants bad guys to be nicer.



Personally I think that you should be able to cruise around in Empire space no matter your sec status.
It should be up to players to "punish" criminals, not the factional navy (who should punish those with a low factional status, not a low security status).
Of course, Concord should still respond to criminal acts.

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Originally by: Dr Slaughter

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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo

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Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 02/12/2008 11:16:33
While I think this is liquid inspiration on the part of the pirates, the old Caldari maxim comes to mind - "only the paranoid survive"

There isn't an effective solution I can see to this, other than getting CONCORD to start podding :P

Edit: Also to prevent outlaws from having clones in high sec, should mention

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Or void insurance on ship losses made by -10 pilots in high sec only.

i.e. if you've managed to get to -10, and can't really be penalized anymore by sec hits the only thing left is to void insurance and hit them in the pocket.

But.. frankly.. I quite like the current mechanic as people can still fight back if they bother to get as organized as the pirates (must suck for solo players though).

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Originally by: Dmian

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Edited by: Dmian on 02/12/2008 11:47:06

Originally by: Avon

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I still don't see what part of this is meant to be an exploit.

For ages pirates have had neutral alts bring them ships at safespots in high-sec.
The only difference here is using an Orca to move the ships.

It is basically the same as suicide ganking has been for ages.

Faction Navy were buffed when factional warfare hit, so it is already harder for these pirates anyway.


The problem is that the OP expects to be safe, and wants bad guys to be nicer.



Personally I think that you should be able to cruise around in Empire space no matter your sec status.
It should be up to players to "punish" criminals, not the factional navy (who should punish those with a low factional status, not a low security status).
Of course, Concord should still respond to criminal acts.

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I don't know if this is an exploit or not, but it's very different from what you say.
Previously, if you wanted to, say, make 3 waves of attacks, you have to get your alt to leave 3 ships parked at a safespot. Those ships where scannable, and hard to move.

With an Orca, you have practically a moving station that's friendly to pirates. It's effectively like opening the gates (as is your desire) or taking away sentry guns from stations: you can have many waves of suicide ganks, without any consequence.

I see some logic from people with low sec not being allowed in high sec systems, after all it's a reasonable matter of security. Or at lest don't let them board something better than a frigate, or face consequences. This is effectively like letting terrorist get past customs and then be able to buy guns inside a country. It should be something very difficult to achieve, not easy.

Also, I don't agree with vigilante policies. There needs to be some king of security force in high-sec. A free raoming space for anyone will be a non-secure space. Industry needs some kind of security to be possible. Sorry to say this, but a pure PvP game is not possible. Part of the interesting features of this game is the economy, industry and the market. Without it, it won't be Eve.

Really, this game is not all piracy, or all PvP or all industry, etc. Those seeing this from only their side are half blinded by their own game style. The space is a complex system, and it needs balance. Kill too many miners and your disposable suicide ganking ships get too expensive to be really disposable.

In the meantime, the OP needs to take precautions. Don't be out there with your elephants without a ranger looking for you. Empire might be a reserve, but poachers do exist, and might be near you. Be alert.

P.S: Clever pirate tactics...

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Originally by: Karille

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Add some risk to the pirate side. Everyone says suicide ganking losses aren't a risk because the aggressor ship loss is predetermined. I propose the idea that we should change things so sometimes Concord doesn't spawn. That way the aggressor won't know if they're going to lose their ship! They'll be taking a huge risk then.

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Originally by: Venkul Mul

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Originally by: hedfunk

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Refreshing to see alot of people congratulating the pirates. Usually it's just 'omfg nerf'

-10 in high sec, who would of thought it :P

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I think it pretty stupid on the pirate part.

The are getting some easy killmail for a few weeks at most then the rules are changed because they are making too much waves. Probably it will be the "no insurance if killed by Concord" thing.

So they are trading a brief period of lulz for a future nerf. Not too bright.

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Originally by: Karille

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Originally by: Venkul Mul

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Originally by: Karille

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They lose their ships and their targets could be tanked. Just because they calculated the risk before they started doesn't mean there isn't any.

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No, it is not risk. Risk involve a chance of success or failure, what they are doing is a pure clerk calculation: "I use x isk to get n killmails, so I pay x/n isk for each killmail".

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So you're saying that if I mine x hours to get n ore that would be a bad thing.

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Originally by: Turelle

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Congratulations to the pirates who did it. There are already enough complications to getting through high sec as an outlaw. They would've had to be bloody quick to get into the ships and warp to you since the Navy spawns even on pods (just doesn't shoot).

Allowing CONCORD to shoot pods is stupid. Players can do that to an outlaw anywhere (podded one in Jita to get a 50m bounty reawrd a while ago). Voiding insurance when losing a ship to CONCORD is pointless since the ISK vs. Reawrd is high if it's a 5m T1 ship to multiple 100m+ ISK T2 ships.

The great thing about EVE is that nowhere is safe and need teamwork to make it safer. You go to 0.0 and expect to be killed. You go to low sec and expect to be killed. High sec just has alot more risks to the aggressors.

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Originally by: Shirley Serious

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so what options do tech1 barge pilots have?

exhumers can fit a tank, but many do not.

But tech1 barges don't really have that option, do they?

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Originally by: Jmanis Catharg

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Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 01/12/2008 20:51:19
Go kill them?

Sorry, this doesn't sound like an exploit to me really.

They're -10 ffs. Why didn't you fit a couple guns on your covops and kill their pods at the orca???

(edit: or better yet, bookmark their Orca and fly back in a fit-out battleship and *really* wreck some havoc on the -10s

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Originally by: Thenoran

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Originally by: Karille

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Add some risk to the pirate side. Everyone says suicide ganking losses aren't a risk because the aggressor ship loss is predetermined. I propose the idea that we should change things so sometimes Concord doesn't spawn. That way the aggressor won't know if they're going to lose their ship! They'll be taking a huge risk then.

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So instead of always losing your ship, you lose it 50% of the time, how does this help?

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Originally by: Goyda

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This....says it all. If the orca loots your wrecks, then he will flash as well.

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Originally by: Kamikazi ONE

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Why not just make the gates in highsec lock out people with very low standings ?

Problem fixed...

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Originally by: Karille

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Why are we looking for a solution to player creativity?

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