Originally by: Daplat Mode

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Ok, first off lol...
Second, as its been stated, this is not an exploit by any means.
Third, from a pirates perspective, this can be avoided, you just might actually have
to make a bit of effort.

Things that may help you and your mates.
1. Pay attention
Now, you may be saying "but this is highsec and concord should be there to defend those who cannot defend themselves right?" WRONG it takes 3 gank fit t1 destroyers to take down a poorly fitted hulk.
try setting your a thing called "standings" so you can see if your attackers are in local.

2. PAY ATTENTION
I know managing jetcans and activating modules every 7 minutes or so can be a rather
menacing task for even the most elite carebears, but every once in a while, take a minute so notice that there are other things in space than rocks and npc's like that mysterious safespotted orca you speak of. Click your directional scanner everyonce in a while.

3. Learn to how to fit defenses to your ship.
I dont know how many 100m isk mining barges i've popped that had a civilian shield booster attached to it... your literally begging to die easily. Hitpoints can be a greater asset than that 'roid scanner.

4. Stop whining.
Because ultimately, nobody cares.

5. Duh
If you cant overcome the issues that your having, I recommend either moving to a different area, giving all your stuff to pirates (because we're just gonna take it from you anyway) or possibly trying hellokitty online, I hear its really sweet.

Good luck!

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Originally by: Thoren Gregson

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It took me a few days in a covert ops following, and scanning them down to see how they where this.. but see it I did. (and I actually had a lot of fun while doing so)

These -10 guys are flying into empire space in PODS. Making safespots in the systems they pray upon. Meeting up with Orcas in these safe spots flown by legit neutral pilots. (alts maybe) and jumping in there suicide T1 gank ships of choice out of the Orca hanger and then flying directly to the belts where they kill any ship they wish so long as it can be killed before Concord kills them. They then fly pods back to the orca in the same system, grab another set of ships and do it again. As of this weekend they now have atleast 2 orcas, one stays in the safe spot while the other goes back and forth between the safe spot and the station. IÆm guessing to pick up more ships and drop them into orca #1

Combined with fully insured tech one ships and no lost of sec status (they are already -10) there is NOTHING for them to lose and everything to gain.

Using this method essentially turns empire space into gank town in the belts and mission pockets so long as the victim can be killed fast enough. (they never fly near the gates or stations)

IÆm not crying foul because we have lost ~950 million in assets, I like that eve is a dangerous place to play. My issue is that:

1 The insurance system is in serous need of overhaul when pirates and suicide gankers can use it to there advantage while at the same time anyone flying in a tech 2 ship can not use it at all.

2 One of the main security mechanics of the game (sec status) is being circumvented/exploited by flying into empire systems in pods and then jumping into a ships brought in by another player. So long as they donÆt go near a gate or station until they jump back out in a pod.


Some may quickly say ônerf Orca ship baysö but that will not stop it. Orcas only make it faster and easier to do. Before the orca it could have been done by neutral players freighting tons of ships into an empire station, making a safe spot and then moving ships from station to safespot by ejecting out of ships in the safe spot over and over.

How to stop this? Step one is to fix insurance as has been suggested in the past, no insurance pay out to concord ship losses. But that wonÆt really stop this alone. A small fleet of tech 1 ships is still a better then even trade off for one (let alone 4) hulks mining together. Figure out a way to allow tech 2 ships to be insured to compensate for loss like tech one ships.

But what is going to stop -10 sec pilots from moving around in empire and then jumping into a ship in a safespot and killing players in empire belts?

Would a consistent Concord presence in all empire belts stop this? I donÆt know, but what I do know is.. this problem is going to become a lot worse as more and more players adopt this practice and I know that, atleast for me and my corp we will have to park all of our mining ships until something changes. None of us can afford 200million losses a night in the blink of an eye.

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Originally by: Mordekai Bloodwake

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Its this kind of game play that drives new players away and another reason why Eve doesnt have a larger sub base which in turn wont allow Eve to progress quicker, instead it takes years :(

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Originally by: Dyaven

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I'm sorry, but I just have to sum this up in one word:
Genius.

I am so going to convince my corp mates to try this!

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Originally by: Mordekai Bloodwake

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Its this kind of game play that drives new players away and another reason why Eve doesnt have a larger sub base which in turn wont allow Eve to progress quicker, instead it takes years :(

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Originally by: Chi Quan

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i have the very weird immage of some person in the woods standing next to the rabbit he just shot with his cal .50, madly dancing around the dead body like an indian from a 60ies western, calling the corpse names and kicking it in the guts. srsly ppl wtf? don't you have any dignity?

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Originally by: Neth'Rae

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Well, sure but keep in mind the little rabbits are in underground bunkers filled with tanks, the rabbits are also made out of gold..
That metaphore is more accurate :)

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Originally by: Mr M

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Oh how brave of these guys, they have found a way to suicide gank that isn't an exploit yet. This is way we can't have nice things like the orca, some people just can't handle it without missusing them.

If you don't feel like applauding the gankers, go ahead and file a petition, that way CCP have to react and tell if it's ok or not.

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Originally by: Thudin

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Originally by: Mr M

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that isn't an exploit yet

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Not an exploit at all. The pirates are still taking a chance by doing this in high sec.

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Originally by: Mr M

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But I'm quite sure CCP will do something about it in the next couple of days,

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Originally by: Mr M

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Edited by: Mr M on 02/12/2008 00:53:35

Originally by: Thudin

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Originally by: Mr M

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that isn't an exploit yet

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Not an exploit at all. The pirates are still taking a chance by doing this in high sec.

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It's not an exploit yet. But I'm quite sure CCP will do something about it in the next couple of days

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Originally by: Thudin

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Not an exploit at all. The pirates are still taking a chance by doing this in high sec.

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Originally by: Woodwraith

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and tbh, i think its coming.

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Originally by: Woodwraith

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Ive probably podded more people than you've convoed and everytime I see one of these "DEATH TO TEH MINERS!!!" threads I just shake my head, maybe I should start taking down names.

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Originally by: Lady Karma

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I think I've convoed more than 90 ppl tough guy. Take my name down please.

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Originally by: ArmyOfMe

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Originally by: Zeba

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Intersting exploit and noted as the ops text will surely be zapped by a mod.

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not a exploit.
infact this have been done for years, just not with orcas

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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258

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"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"

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