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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:04:00 -
[931]
 Originally by: Drusilla
Maller - Yeah, 2.5% per level seems kinda pointless. How about, since the maller has no real drone ability, giving it another turret slot and some grid so it can load 5 really big guns or 6 midrange guns? It IS a gunboat, after all.
Yeah the 2.5 needs to be changed back to 5% and your idea about another turret slot makes perfect sense.
Apoc is the only bs with 8 turret points because amarr are 'turret humping lovebirds'. Why doesn't the maller have more turret points then any other cruiser? Perhaps the punisher can use another turret point (and the grid to support it) as well, i can't recall anyone saying the pun was ever overpowered. It might even be used in pvp with these changes...
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:04:00 -
[932]
Originally by: Drusilla
Maller - Yeah, 2.5% per level seems kinda pointless. How about, since the maller has no real drone ability, giving it another turret slot and some grid so it can load 5 really big guns or 6 midrange guns? It IS a gunboat, after all.
Yeah the 2.5 needs to be changed back to 5% and your idea about another turret slot makes perfect sense.
Apoc is the only bs with 8 turret points because amarr are 'turret humping lovebirds'. Why doesn't the maller have more turret points then any other cruiser? Perhaps the punisher can use another turret point (and the grid to support it) as well, i can't recall anyone saying the pun was ever overpowered. It might even be used in pvp with these changes...
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Balthial Ashaere
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:14:00 -
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Ashaela - Oh, granted we could use Rails just as easily, we'd just have to sit farther out, but keeping distance with a MWD is even easier. They'd work great, but we'd just be doing less damage. Either way, they're just as nice. 
By the way, love the name. 
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Balthial Ashaere
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:14:00 -
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Ashaela - Oh, granted we could use Rails just as easily, we'd just have to sit farther out, but keeping distance with a MWD is even easier. They'd work great, but we'd just be doing less damage. Either way, they're just as nice.
By the way, love the name.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:19:00 -
[935]
Originally by: Meridius
Perhaps the punisher can use another turret point (and the grid to support it) as well, i can't recall anyone saying the pun was ever overpowered. It might even be used in pvp with these changes...
I use a pun in pvp.. its a damned good ship and it can outlast rifters and incursus very easily.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:19:00 -
[936]
Originally by: Meridius
Perhaps the punisher can use another turret point (and the grid to support it) as well, i can't recall anyone saying the pun was ever overpowered. It might even be used in pvp with these changes...
I use a pun in pvp.. its a damned good ship and it can outlast rifters and incursus very easily.
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Drusilla
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:34:00 -
[937]
Originally by: Meridius
Apoc is the only bs with 8 turret points because amarr are 'turret humping lovebirds'.
Hahahahahaha that's the funniest thing I've seen ehre in a while :)
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Drusilla
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Posted - 2004.07.29 21:34:00 -
[938]
Originally by: Meridius
Apoc is the only bs with 8 turret points because amarr are 'turret humping lovebirds'.
Hahahahahaha that's the funniest thing I've seen ehre in a while :)
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Ashaela D'Averone
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:06:00 -
[939]
Edited by: Ashaela D'Averone on 29/07/2004 22:07:48
Edited by: Ashaela D'Averone on 29/07/2004 22:07:18
Originally by: Balthial Ashaere
Ashaela - Oh, granted we could use Rails just as easily, we'd just have to sit farther out, but keeping distance with a MWD is even easier. They'd work great, but we'd just be doing less damage. Either way, they're just as nice.
By the way, love the name.
Totally agree  I see the MWD as both an offensive and defensive tool and the fact that the Thorax just screams "STICK A MWD ON ME!" only highlights this fact for me. I agree that a railgun set-up will probably never touch damage potential of blasters, but hey, while you are TRYING to get close to use them I'll be MWD-ing away and hammering with rails *cackles*
Perhaps for the Maller bonus btw, up it to 3.5% each level and another turret point at least? *thoughtfully taps her chin*
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Ashaela D'Averone
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:06:00 -
[940]
Edited by: Ashaela D'Averone on 29/07/2004 22:07:48
Edited by: Ashaela D'Averone on 29/07/2004 22:07:18
Originally by: Balthial Ashaere
Ashaela - Oh, granted we could use Rails just as easily, we'd just have to sit farther out, but keeping distance with a MWD is even easier. They'd work great, but we'd just be doing less damage. Either way, they're just as nice.
By the way, love the name.
Totally agree I see the MWD as both an offensive and defensive tool and the fact that the Thorax just screams "STICK A MWD ON ME!" only highlights this fact for me. I agree that a railgun set-up will probably never touch damage potential of blasters, but hey, while you are TRYING to get close to use them I'll be MWD-ing away and hammering with rails *cackles*
Perhaps for the Maller bonus btw, up it to 3.5% each level and another turret point at least? *thoughtfully taps her chin*
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Babar
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:11:00 -
[941]
Originally by: Drusilla
Maller - Yeah, 2.5% per level seems kinda pointless. How about, since the maller has no real drone ability, giving it another turret slot and some grid so it can load 5 really big guns or 6 midrange guns? It IS a gunboat, after all.
It has enough turrets already. How about 2 more lowslots instead - and a crapload of grid & cpu, so it can actually make use of its slots.
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Babar
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Posted - 2004.07.29 22:11:00 -
[942]
Originally by: Drusilla
Maller - Yeah, 2.5% per level seems kinda pointless. How about, since the maller has no real drone ability, giving it another turret slot and some grid so it can load 5 really big guns or 6 midrange guns? It IS a gunboat, after all.
It has enough turrets already. How about 2 more lowslots instead - and a crapload of grid & cpu, so it can actually make use of its slots.
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Pathos
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Posted - 2004.07.30 00:08:00 -
[943]
I think the changes look great across the board.
What I like most is that each ship is now allowed to specialize in something else, it's pretty cool.
As it stands now, some ships do things well but not many are specialized...these modifications change that.
Good job, and keep it up CCP.
And and BTW, make the Mammoth a BS while your at it Tomb. 
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Pathos
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Posted - 2004.07.30 00:08:00 -
[944]
I think the changes look great across the board.
What I like most is that each ship is now allowed to specialize in something else, it's pretty cool.
As it stands now, some ships do things well but not many are specialized...these modifications change that.
Good job, and keep it up CCP.
And and BTW, make the Mammoth a BS while your at it Tomb.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.30 00:30:00 -
[945]
2.5% on the Maller is too small a bonus, it'll be largely inconsequential - especially when a battleship starts pouring fire into it. Restore the 5% per level resistance bonus, the Maller has had some love coming to it for a very long time.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.30 00:30:00 -
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2.5% on the Maller is too small a bonus, it'll be largely inconsequential - especially when a battleship starts pouring fire into it. Restore the 5% per level resistance bonus, the Maller has had some love coming to it for a very long time.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2004.07.30 00:30:00 -
[947]
Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 30/07/2004 00:34:56
Thorax got way too big a nerf and a crappy second bonus.
Maller deserved the 5% to resistances, it's always been the crappiest tier 3 cruiser.
Vexor got boosted too much.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2004.07.30 00:30:00 -
[948]
Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 30/07/2004 00:34:56
Thorax got way too big a nerf and a crappy second bonus.
Maller deserved the 5% to resistances, it's always been the crappiest tier 3 cruiser.
Vexor got boosted too much.
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Nybbas
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Posted - 2004.07.30 00:38:00 -
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It's just changing an entire role of a ship (the thorax) seems a little bit drastic. I admit it's overpowered, not even almost balanced compared to the other cruisers I guesse, but can't we be more creative than, oh lets just take away half its drone space, ok now that thats balanced, lets change a ship description that has been around for over 3 years.... It just doesn't seem right, can't you find some way to nerf something other than the drone bay? |
Nybbas
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Posted - 2004.07.30 00:38:00 -
[950]
It's just changing an entire role of a ship (the thorax) seems a little bit drastic. I admit it's overpowered, not even almost balanced compared to the other cruisers I guesse, but can't we be more creative than, oh lets just take away half its drone space, ok now that thats balanced, lets change a ship description that has been around for over 3 years.... It just doesn't seem right, can't you find some way to nerf something other than the drone bay? |
Balthial Ashaere
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Posted - 2004.07.30 00:46:00 -
[951]
Guys, just a quick note. Yes, we'll only have half the amount of heavy drones we have now, but heavy drones are having their firepower uped by 100% now, so although we loose 4 heavies, the new modified 4 remaining will do the damage 8 heavies used to do, with added potential for wrecking shots now. And ****, look at is this way, we can bring along 10 medium drones still, and the damage will still be comparable to the original 8 heavies, although using mediums will still be slightly less effective due to much lower hit points. It still won't be as bad now since he's changing the Drone Stats along with the Drone Bay.
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Balthial Ashaere
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Posted - 2004.07.30 00:46:00 -
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Guys, just a quick note. Yes, we'll only have half the amount of heavy drones we have now, but heavy drones are having their firepower uped by 100% now, so although we loose 4 heavies, the new modified 4 remaining will do the damage 8 heavies used to do, with added potential for wrecking shots now. And ****, look at is this way, we can bring along 10 medium drones still, and the damage will still be comparable to the original 8 heavies, although using mediums will still be slightly less effective due to much lower hit points. It still won't be as bad now since he's changing the Drone Stats along with the Drone Bay.
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Ashaela D'Averone
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Posted - 2004.07.30 01:10:00 -
[953]
This is human mentality. We get so comfy with a set thing and then **** and whine collectively (for the most part *winks*) when things change. Change is good. Change is even better when things get used, abused or loop-holed in a manner they weren't meant to be or used TOO well in such a role. I note lots of the biggest people complaining about the Thorax changes are those who mine with them. Now, please please don't think I have anything against miners. I don't. I think the Rax works out nice for it, but you're still missing the point: Rax is NOT intended to mine. Its a combat vessel packing a large complement of drones. Rax's cargohold alone says enough about its intended purpose. It can't carry jack amounts of ore, even with expanders. Cutting the drone space in half may be severe, but as Balthial pointed out, with drones ALSO being tweaked, we really shouldn't be screaming bloody murder so loud yet till we see the full spectrum of changes. *advocates patience*
Besides, who knows what other goodies might be in store for the Rax even w/ the drone cut 
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Ashaela D'Averone
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Posted - 2004.07.30 01:10:00 -
[954]
This is human mentality. We get so comfy with a set thing and then **** and whine collectively (for the most part *winks*) when things change. Change is good. Change is even better when things get used, abused or loop-holed in a manner they weren't meant to be or used TOO well in such a role. I note lots of the biggest people complaining about the Thorax changes are those who mine with them. Now, please please don't think I have anything against miners. I don't. I think the Rax works out nice for it, but you're still missing the point: Rax is NOT intended to mine. Its a combat vessel packing a large complement of drones. Rax's cargohold alone says enough about its intended purpose. It can't carry jack amounts of ore, even with expanders. Cutting the drone space in half may be severe, but as Balthial pointed out, with drones ALSO being tweaked, we really shouldn't be screaming bloody murder so loud yet till we see the full spectrum of changes. *advocates patience*
Besides, who knows what other goodies might be in store for the Rax even w/ the drone cut
~ Ashaela D'Averone ~ |
Ca0 Ca0
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Posted - 2004.07.30 02:16:00 -
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Just my own personal opinion but thorax bonus should be to use MWD without the shield or capacitor penalties, the -25% to shield and cap hp. this instead of the "cap need" bonus.
Cao
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Ca0 Ca0
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Posted - 2004.07.30 02:16:00 -
[956]
Just my own personal opinion but thorax bonus should be to use MWD without the shield or capacitor penalties, the -25% to shield and cap hp. this instead of the "cap need" bonus.
Cao
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Balthial Ashaere
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Posted - 2004.07.30 03:16:00 -
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That's pretty much what TomB's done because if we're flying the Thorax we'll likely be armor tanking in order to save mid-slots for more valuable items, like cap rechargers or sensor boosters. So the shield penalties remaining don't matter too much, and if you train Gallente Cruiser to level 4 (you need 3 anyways for the Thorax), you'll only have a 5% Capacitor Penalty...easily taken care of other ways. So yeah, this removes the major problems from using a MWD for the Thorax Pilot.
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Balthial Ashaere
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Posted - 2004.07.30 03:16:00 -
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That's pretty much what TomB's done because if we're flying the Thorax we'll likely be armor tanking in order to save mid-slots for more valuable items, like cap rechargers or sensor boosters. So the shield penalties remaining don't matter too much, and if you train Gallente Cruiser to level 4 (you need 3 anyways for the Thorax), you'll only have a 5% Capacitor Penalty...easily taken care of other ways. So yeah, this removes the major problems from using a MWD for the Thorax Pilot.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.30 05:17:00 -
[959]
Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: Meridius
Perhaps the punisher can use another turret point (and the grid to support it) as well, i can't recall anyone saying the pun was ever overpowered. It might even be used in pvp with these changes...
I use a pun in pvp.. its a damned good ship and it can outlast rifters and incursus very easily.
How many punishers do you see out in pvp compared to the incursus/rifter/kessie?
Exactly
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.30 05:17:00 -
[960]
Originally by: Cruz
Originally by: Meridius
Perhaps the punisher can use another turret point (and the grid to support it) as well, i can't recall anyone saying the pun was ever overpowered. It might even be used in pvp with these changes...
I use a pun in pvp.. its a damned good ship and it can outlast rifters and incursus very easily.
How many punishers do you see out in pvp compared to the incursus/rifter/kessie?
Exactly
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