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Vera Trash
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Posted - 2009.03.12 01:39:00 -
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actually, im i little madder than i realized about being flat-out ignored...
i have myspace, facebook, angelfire, and a couple other blogging accounts. im gunna make a blog on everyone in protest and boycott until i get some sort of closure, or... satisfaction, or...SOMETHING!!
i think we ALL should! and be sure to include all the good search-words (like game, download, new, play, trial...) we could make it so anyone interested in trying eve will be BOMBARDED with hundreds (kinda looks like thousands, tho) of blogs warning them that this game is run by a corporation that will not pay them the consideration worth their money! but dont post anything fraudulent, just tell the truth.
anyone whod like should feel free to email [email protected].
be sure to include that others in the same situation should do the same.
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Shanghilo
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Posted - 2009.03.12 01:44:00 -
[602]
Yep, whats worse is the only way to task switch out of the white screen of death is to reset your power switch, No ALt Tab, no Task Manager, your locked down.
Anyway,,I really enjoyed eve when it worked for the Average User.
LOL I actually removed Autocad and Visio just to get enough room for the HUGE 2 gig download and the additional 4.6 Gigs of space needed for the installation.
I get it running then it all crashes to a White screen,, NICE JOB!
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ZONAC
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Posted - 2009.03.12 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Vera Trash actually, im i little madder than i realized about being flat-out ignored...
i have myspace, facebook, angelfire, and a couple other blogging accounts. im gunna make a blog on everyone in protest and boycott until i get some sort of closure, or... satisfaction, or...SOMETHING!!
i think we ALL should! and be sure to include all the good search-words (like game, download, new, play, trial...) we could make it so anyone interested in trying eve will be BOMBARDED with hundreds (kinda looks like thousands, tho) of blogs warning them that this game is run by a corporation that will not pay them the consideration worth their money! but dont post anything fraudulent, just tell the truth.
anyone whod like should feel free to email [email protected].
be sure to include that others in the same situation should do the same.
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Yes We have to look at it this way , We have been put in the basement and the entrance has been bricked and the party has started upstairs... we have been podded...lol
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F90OEX
F9X
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Posted - 2009.03.12 01:50:00 -
[604]
I need to buy a Netbook for on the road.
One I am thinking of getting is the HP Mini 1010NR with a Graphics Media Accelerator 950.
It supports Pixel Shader 2.0.
Questions are, what would be the Eve "shelf" life, 12-24months ?
And are there any Netbooks out there that have a better graphics chip with pixel shader 3.0
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.12 02:14:00 -
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Edited by: Tadesae on 12/03/2009 02:15:22 Well I wouldn't get anything with an integrated graphics card. They are pretty much all garbage and I should know since I have one. lol You need to research it because there are a whole lot of chipsets whose stats say they support shader 2 and either don't or don't do it well enough to play EVE anymore. Keep in mind you can't upgrade video cards on a laptop so In the future I will look for a laptop with a good independent video card before I even look at the other stats.
I wouldn't expect to get more than six-eight months out of anything that only supports shader 2. CCP has already said they may upgrade to Shader 3 in the winter patch
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Andro Stormcloud
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Posted - 2009.03.12 02:39:00 -
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well going to shader 2 has totally screwed me for playing the game. with the economy what it is i can't afford to get a new card so thanks much for screwing those of us who enjoyed the classic so we could play.You should of kept it the same so those of us without shader 2 could stay. Thanks for the discrimnation.
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Bifordus Maximus
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Posted - 2009.03.12 06:45:00 -
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I have been playing the game for the past 3 years now all of a sudden I need to upgrade my graphics card? Thats total BS. There should still be support shader 1. Not everyone can afford a new graphics card at the moment. There should at least be an option though the website where you can at least change what skills you are learning otherwise my character is just sitting there waiting for me make enough money to upgrade.
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Proteus Maximus
Caldari Mine 'N' Refine New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.03.12 11:55:00 -
[608]
Attention CCP The exclusion of affordable mobile computing has caused issues I haddent even considered untill last night. Bare with me here... How many of you have to fight for game time @ home? We adults have lives & familys. As we all know to truly enjoy the eve experince you need to put in quite a bit of game time. More so if you use your isk earnings to pay for the subs..and with things the way things have been for alot of pilots thats become a must. My solution was simple. Working in an office taking my laptop to work and taking care of eve's business end solved all of the problems. Which had almost put me out of the game months ago. It freed up time after work for the things in life that matter most. After the kids are in bed & the wife settels in on her computer to relax I was able to log back in and do all of the fun stuff eve has to offer. Free of my corp, mining or isk making obligations. Cut to the present... now being cut off during the day has imedently caused me huge problems. The last two nights I have been trying to catch up. Finaly last night (& I knew this was coming) I got the dreaded line from my wife, which sent me to mining at work to begin with. "I see your back to sitting in front of your little game again all night". Of course an argument insued in which I tryed to explain I'm just trying to catch up and its not a permenent thing. The truth is... to maintain the level of play ive grown acustom to and enjoy I would have to be logged in for 3 to 4 hours a night 5 to 6 nights a week. Not happening..... There is no choice to be made here honestly. After 2.5 hours of comuting and 8 hours of work there is little time left in the day to do what matters most... Let alone enjoy the hobby I have grown to love over the last year. As I have stated in previous posts money for a new laptop is completely out of the question. I'm forced to spend long hours away from home and family in order to provide for them. The exclusion of affordable mobile computing has completely disrupted my leasure time and life.
Great graphics do make a game shine as so to speak. If your motivation was to keep up with the industry standerd let me ask this... Who is your competion? What other multi player space based game with such an emersive enviroment are you trying to keep pace with? Let me clue you in on somthing.. You are it!! No other game offered can match eve's content..not even close. Guys please continue to stay ahead of the curve but dont hurt the people who have grown to love your product. There are more of us than you considered. Best regards Max Yes I'm a newb. No I'm not stupid. |
Marty UK
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:08:00 -
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Laptop user here. I came from a console background to EVE, because you didn't need a gaming machine to play it - which was great.
Now CCP have made the decision to stop supporting 2x versions of the client. I will assume that it is cheaper for CCP to loose subscription fees, rather than paying developers to maintain a classic and premium client.
EVE isn't a game about graphics, its about the gameplay, so there was no need to stop supporting SM1 apart from the save in $ú$ú$ú$ú$.
I am a laptop user because I don't have the room for a desktop, I actually paid more fro my laptop than a power equilivant desktop.
Yes I am annoyed, and I hope CCP actually appreciates the results of their decision not to support SM1 - the player base has now moved more to dedicated PC gamers.
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Hornychef
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:58:00 -
[610]
Lots of discussion here. For me I have my wee netbook and want to play Eve when I am away on business or to play downstairs so I can actually be in the same room as the wife most days of the week. So I would really like to be able to play Eve on a "lesser" system even just to do some mining or other small task.
So I'll re-iterate my question again. Can CCP please reply whether they are supplying a Premium Lite version that will run on Shader 2 netbooks?
Thanks in advance,
Chef
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.12 14:44:00 -
[611]
Originally by: Hornychef Lots of discussion here. For me I have my wee netbook and want to play Eve when I am away on business or to play downstairs so I can actually be in the same room as the wife most days of the week. So I would really like to be able to play Eve on a "lesser" system even just to do some mining or other small task.
So I'll re-iterate my question again. Can CCP please reply whether they are supplying a Premium Lite version that will run on Shader 2 netbooks?
Thanks in advance,
Chef
I agree with you. CCP, by trying to be on the cutting edge misses a golden opprotunity to truly be in on the real innovation. They should be bringing in new customers and building goodwill with the ones they have but instead hack most of their customer base off to try and keep up with the other blind PC geeks.
A link to state the obvious. Seems like gamers may be the last to hear about this? http://www.techshout.com/laptops/2008/24/laptop-sales-overtake-desktop-pc-sales/
I can't see how forcing themselves into a niche market is going to make them any more money. Nobody thinks they shouldn't pursue cutting edge graphics but they had the best of both worlds and threw it away to short sightedly save a few dollars.
The real issue here is the complete lack of support or even a sypathetic ear for laptop players. The response is always the same. "we don't care. don't play games on a laptop" Talk about ignoring reality. And to think... they could have ruled the world!
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.12 15:53:00 -
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On something more related to the topic. Some of the cards CCP says are not supported will actually run the game even though they don't do it very well.
From Eve supported graphics card page:
The following graphic cards are not supported by EVE
ATI Radeon VE / U1 / 7000 ATI Rage Fury / Rage128 Pro Diamond Viper II Z200 Hercules 3D Prophet 4500 Intel Extreme Graphics Onboard Intel chips, such as the Intel740, the Express 3D Graphics Card, and the 82830M/82815/82810/82845G/82852/82855/945GM GM/GME Graphics Controllers Voodoo 3 3000 Voodoo 5 5500 Voodoo4 4500 Riva TNT/TNT2 Matrox Millenium - G400 & G450 S3 Graphics ProSavageDDR SiS« 650/740 Graphics Controller
It does seem like there is still some confusion about this. I can run the game in premium lite with intel GM 945 chipset. From other posts I gather that this and other intel chipsets use software to attain shader 2. My understanding is that if you have this chipset your other stats will determine the level at which you'll be able to play eve.
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Hornychef
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Posted - 2009.03.12 16:30:00 -
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Interesting Tadesae.
I have an Intel 945GM and have been attempting to run Premium on it but it has very very low fps. Again without the risk of banging on about it - I have turned down all the settings on Premium which I believe == Premium Lite. What sort of fps did you get?
Chef
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.12 17:05:00 -
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To be honest, I was only on for a little while last night and mostly just talked to corpmates and now I'm at work so I can't check.
I never checked FPS when I was on classic because it only ever skipped when I was in a decent sized group running missions and there really wasnt anything I could do about it anyway. All I know is I ran out of station for a couple jumps and back. Just a little skippy when approaching the gates but overall better than I thought it would be. Real test will come tonight when I try to run a few missions. Of course, I can get that FPS tonight if you still need it.
Almost gave up on it yesterday when I saw my chipset not supported but auto installer came up when I tried it last night. I have no idea why because It didnt work the day before. make sure you download the latest drivers from intel's site because windows intaller may not have been keeping mine up to date. I was sure all my drivers were up to date from running windows update. In the end I'm not sure if it was a driver problem or CCP made some kind of change but I was able to log in and talk to friends at least. Hope that helps
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Crookster
Gallente Darkwave Technologies Doctrine.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 17:22:00 -
[615]
Been readig this thread for the last 2 days now, whilst trying to find a suitable graphics card that fits my machine. Despte the 3 months notice of this classic client being withdrawn. CCP really did not think this through.
You want to expand your membership via the box release in shops, was this just to raise $$ to cover the lost accounts you created?
Given the global economy, this is a shortsighted action, especially as you seem set on doing this again, by making shader 3.0 the minimum, towards the end of the year.
Many of the longer term players, have multiple acounts, and run on the lowest graphics settings anyway!! so why do we need a better graphics card..
Many players playerd on more than 1 PC, in more than 1 location. so need multiple graphics cards to get back to normal game play.
Mobile laptops are the way forward, even you yourselves have experimented with eve mobile on telephones, guess thats a dead idea now.
What is the point of making everyone buy better graphics cards, only for them to turn off 50% of the graphics, in any reasonable gang, in order to avoid lag!!! DOH!!
well as it stands, I will be letting my 3 accounts lapse at the end of this cycle, to help fund the new graphics cards (yes plural) i need to buy..
AND for god sake, i hope one of you has the balls to answer 1 question in this thread now.So we know what to upgrade to.
ARE YOU DOING THIS AGAIN IN THE WINTER EXPANSION!!!!
evryone deserves to know the answer to that now. Not when its too late to upgarde in a tough finacial situaton with the expensive christams season around the corner for most of us.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.03.12 20:48:00 -
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A note on the economy crisis ... one cannot blame CCP for it. Buying new hardware helps the economy and that is what is needed to get out of the crisis.
Nevertheless, this should not be forced onto the players. CCP should have protected us from being forced, i.e. with an option to disable the 2.0 effects when necessary. Their decision was at best ... unwise. I actually remember one of their developers saying, in a video during the 6th tournament, that the new client would be more flexible and could possibly support old hardware better than the previous client. So what really happened here?!?
And one question regarding the effects: Why is there a visual "bubble"-effect when travelling through a stargate, but no effect on the other side on leaving it?!? The only way I can describe this visual experience for me is that at stargates "it sucks but doesn't give". -- You cannot win? It's called losing. |
lebanski
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Posted - 2009.03.12 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tadesae To be honest, I was only on for a little while last night and mostly just talked to corpmates and now I'm at work so I can't check.
I never checked FPS when I was on classic because it only ever skipped when I was in a decent sized group running missions and there really wasnt anything I could do about it anyway. All I know is I ran out of station for a couple jumps and back. Just a little skippy when approaching the gates but overall better than I thought it would be. Real test will come tonight when I try to run a few missions. Of course, I can get that FPS tonight if you still need it.
Almost gave up on it yesterday when I saw my chipset not supported but auto installer came up when I tried it last night. I have no idea why because It didnt work the day before. make sure you download the latest drivers from intel's site because windows intaller may not have been keeping mine up to date. I was sure all my drivers were up to date from running windows update. In the end I'm not sure if it was a driver problem or CCP made some kind of change but I was able to log in and talk to friends at least. Hope that helps
Ihave the same chipset and updated the drivers yesterday.
have you experienced any freeze out/system crashing/blue screen when doing anything other than sit in a station?
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Goto95
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Posted - 2009.03.12 23:31:00 -
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CANNOT USE THE NEW EVE!!!!! SHOULD HAVE LEFT THE CLASSIC VERSION AVAILABLE VERY UNHAPPY WANT A REFUND!!!!!!
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Fifenren
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Posted - 2009.03.12 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Fifenren on 12/03/2009 23:42:16
Originally by: Goto95 CANNOT USE THE NEW EVE!!!!! SHOULD HAVE LEFT THE CLASSIC VERSION AVAILABLE VERY UNHAPPY WANT A REFUND!!!!!!
You want a refund because technology is moving on from the 5+ year old crap that you are using? I'm sorry but if we had to wait for people like you, we would still be living in caves.
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Alexandros Tenace
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Posted - 2009.03.13 00:02:00 -
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i recently download the full build of Apocrypha and i typed in my username and password to log on and windows shut down on me and a blue screen error message came up saying that there was a problem with my NVIDIA graphics driver, i tried logging on multiple times nad even tried re downloading the game but still the same result. My computer is running on a NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 graphics card, does this meet the requirments to play Apocrypha if so is there a solution to my problem?
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tadesae on 13/03/2009 01:53:45
Originally by: lebanski
Originally by: Tadesae To be honest, I was only on for a little while last night and mostly just talked to corpmates and now I'm at work so I can't check.
I never checked FPS when I was on classic because it only ever skipped when I was in a decent sized group running missions and there really wasnt anything I could do about it anyway. All I know is I ran out of station for a couple jumps and back. Just a little skippy when approaching the gates but overall better than I thought it would be. Real test will come tonight when I try to run a few missions. Of course, I can get that FPS tonight if you still need it.
Edit: Servers are still screwy but I'm in and undocked, warped to belt, warped to gate jumped through with no visual problems.
FPS at undock and cruising away from station~ as high as 28 stable around 25. FPS at belt and approaching roids ~ 12 - 14 FPS at gate and Jump ~ 12-14 diped to 8 when I jumped.
I'm running Core Duo processor and 2GB of ram on a gateway laptop.
Hope that helps.
Almost gave up on it yesterday when I saw my chipset not supported but auto installer came up when I tried it last night. I have no idea why because It didnt work the day before. make sure you download the latest drivers from intel's site because windows intaller may not have been keeping mine up to date. I was sure all my drivers were up to date from running windows update. In the end I'm not sure if it was a driver problem or CCP made some kind of change but I was able to log in and talk to friends at least. Hope that helps
Ihave the same chipset and updated the drivers yesterday.
have you experienced any freeze out/system crashing/blue screen when doing anything other than sit in a station?
I logged in tonight but the server went down or booted me and a lot of others after only a few minutes. Plenty of threads about it so its not just me.
I was on last night for half an hour or so. undocked, jumped to gate and back to station. I never crashed or saw blue screen. I only noticed a little skipping when I approached the gate.
My system seemed stable. When I first logged in yesterday I had full premium enabled and in station it was very skippy and slow. I typed out a couple conversations and rotated the view around my ship before I logged out and reset my settings and had no other problems the short time I was on. Will let you all know FPS and other when if the server comes back up.
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byron yuu
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:58:00 -
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i just got a geforce 7300 gt card with shader 3.0 so im now set for the next update i hope. its a old computer with AGP slot so i had to order it over the net. try tigerdirect.com they have a lot of stuff for new and old computers. as for laptop users i dont think there is much you can do but hope ccp rebuilds this new client so you can use them again? a posability if everyone keeps complaining... also as for the agreement you must agree to that lets ccp off the hook for many things they do wrong that is just a con. the laws of the states or country your in makes this not applicable. they only do it so you read it and say (i agreed so cant do anything about it now). now im not saying they are gona back down from it so you may need to fight for your money back but you can do it if you do fight for it. im not sure where to look for the laws for your state or country but i'm sure you who can't play will have the time and the frustration to find the details about it. personaly im happy i can use my old comp to play again but now buying a new laptop will be a totaly dif story because i'll have to look for a machine thats way above most of the one's that go cheaper. i feel sorry for you who cant play now as i invested 5 years of my time and life to get where i am and i know a lot of you did the same. good luck to you all Byron
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Tadesae
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Posted - 2009.03.13 02:01:00 -
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Edited by: Tadesae on 13/03/2009 02:19:17 Server is still screwy but I managed to log in, taxi away from station, warp to belt, warp to gate and jump through gate. No visual problems.
FPS at undock and taxing away ~ 23-28 Stable around 24 FPS while warping and approaching asteroids ~ 11-13 FPS approaching gate ~ 11-14 FPS at jump dipped to 8
I'm running Core Duo processor, intel945GM chipset and 2GB ram on my gateway laptop.
Edit: No problems engaging a pair of rats. FPS in the 20's Granted I'm alone still.
Hope that helps somebody
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ALVRAD
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Posted - 2009.03.13 12:16:00 -
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Concerning the 'Apocalyps........Sorry..Apocrypha' download. I am coming to terms with the requirement to junk my laptop and buy a new computer. However, at the moment I am resident in Angola. The last time I checked, it will take approx 182 hours to download the new Premium Client: To help folks with my problem, would it not be possible to put the download on a few coded one-time use CD's? It is a win-win situation for you. You make money selling the CD's, the subscription stays the same, and you can use the additional funds to set up a 'Classic' server and keep about 20% 0f your present customers???
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Proteus Maximus
Caldari Mine 'N' Refine New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.03.13 14:52:00 -
[625]
Quote: You want a refund because technology is moving on from the 5+ year old crap that you are using? I'm sorry but if we had to wait for people like you, we would still be living in caves.
So explain how you where being held back by the classic client? Why should people who cant afford high end equipment & don't really care about shiny ships have to suffer? Not all of us are well off, rich or have mommy and daddy to buy us new computers. By your statment I gather you have the ability to still play. Unless you have somthing constructive to add to this thread then go play the game... We dont need insult added to injury... Oh and by the way CCP have been issuing refunds.. Whats that tell you? Yes I'm a newb. No I'm not stupid. |
Jade Blackwind
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Posted - 2009.03.13 19:52:00 -
[626]
Edited by: Jade Blackwind on 13/03/2009 19:55:22
Quote: My computer is running on a NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 graphics card, does this meet the requirments to play Apocrypha if so is there a solution to my problem?
I run the new client on a GeForce FX 5200 and it... functions, even with all settings set to "High", though it's like 0.5 FPS slideshow. With all settings to "low" and all effects off it's even somewhat playable, though the warp effect causes some real hiccups and even desyncs.
Of course, the Classic looked much better than the "all@low/off" Premium.
I hate, hate the fricking shaders... :(
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Rayne Jameson
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.14 08:48:00 -
[627]
Originally by: Jade Blackwind Edited by: Jade Blackwind on 13/03/2009 20:03:45
Quote: My computer is running on a NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 graphics card, does this meet the requirments to play Apocrypha if so is there a solution to my problem?
I run the new client on a GeForce FX 5200 and it... functions, even with all settings set to "High", though it's like 0.5 FPS slideshow. With all settings to "low" and all effects off it's even somewhat playable, though the warp effect causes some real hiccups and even desyncs.
Of course, the Classic looked much better than the "all@low/off" Premium.
try to get 6200. it even supports SM3. and it is like 10x faster than 5200. comparing it's like day and night. and now it's very very cheap too.
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Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2009.03.14 11:09:00 -
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Quote: Why should people who cant afford high end equipment
You can get a GFX card that supports SM2 for next to nothing. 'high end equipment' it is not. Go tell your sob stories elsewhere, spend a little less time playing EVE and get a job if you're so poor.
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Callimminniss Prdsk
Cyrix Ltd. Tamanium
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Posted - 2009.03.14 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Akor Flandres
Quote: get a job if you're so poor.
Akor Flandres, the most idiot person to ever play this game?
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Sanny Barret
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Posted - 2009.03.14 15:17:00 -
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I saw somewone post a list of graphic cards no longer suported ,.. whell add to that list nvidea FX5xxx (5200, 5500 ->128-256 Mb)series and all ATI radeon 9xxx series and ofc lower. The ATI ones say they have shader 2.0 but get mesage that "your computer does not meed minimim system req" and the nvidea ones (like mine FX5200) get about 0.3 - 8 FPS :( ,... this is not playing :( , and the option for upgrading video card does not exist since there are only few models that are better on the AGP slot,.. upgrading means new computer :( I feel i nead to specify i used to dualbox 2 clients on this computer and did soo for over 1 year. what`s the point of subscription for me since undocking is no longer a option :)) |
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