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Space Wanderer	Posted - 2009.03.01 08:41:00 - [571] Originally by: Miss Moonwych Space Wanderer: maybe a good idea to post the br number in known issues thread? I believe the devs look there are lot and will see it sooner. Good call. Done. Also updated message up here with BR id.
Miss Moonwych Formedian Shadows	Posted - 2009.03.01 11:46:00 - [572] Edited by: Miss Moonwych on 01/03/2009 11:47:18 Wormholes appear to look different: link Regards, M.M.
Gadrin Demarr Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.01 12:04:00 - [573] Originally by: Miss Moonwych Edited by: Miss Moonwych on 01/03/2009 11:47:18 Wormholes appear to look different: link Now we're talking! I was a rather disappointed when I saw the old graphic, but this one is pretty much what I was hoping for: Spatial distortion, darkness and a glimpse of the unknown system behind. Great job there!
Cailais Amarr Galactic Geographic	Posted - 2009.03.01 12:37:00 - [574] Originally by: Miss Moonwych Edited by: Miss Moonwych on 01/03/2009 11:47:18 Wormholes appear to look different: link Regards, M.M. Very nice. C. Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
Ordais	Posted - 2009.03.01 13:14:00 - [575] I'm going crazy with the new scanning system. Sometimes i find them in under 5min, other times i'm at 0,25 scan range with 4 probes and i dont go over 59%. The problem is if the "hit" is off the plane between some planets, its a pain to position the probes. Is there a way to focus on a probe/hit like focusing on planets? (center the view)
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2009.03.01 13:23:00 - [576] Originally by: Ordais Is there a way to focus on a probe/hit like focusing on planets? (center the view) You can move the camera position around using right mouse button .. one plane at a time, a sound about way of focusing on a probe but relatively easy.
Ordais	Posted - 2009.03.01 13:36:00 - [577] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 01/03/2009 13:29:07 Originally by: Ordais Is there a way to focus on a probe/hit like focusing on planets? (center the view) You can move the camera position around using right mouse button .. one plane at a time, a round about way of focusing on a probe but relatively easy. thank you, somehow i'm still not able to get that signature (97,45% with 5x 0,25) and i have everything lvl4 (astro lvl5). Also, i coudnt find any wormhole in 2h now...maybe i'm doing something wrong...but if stays this way i wont bother doing it. I cant imangine how painfull it must be to scan out safespots with this system.
Morscerta Gallente Living in the Fridge	Posted - 2009.03.01 14:13:00 - [578] Actually three problems I have noticed in this build: - you can not center the camera on you probes making it a little more difficult to set them up correctly - second problem setup: launching two separate types of probes (core and deep space) set one type inactive because I either want to make a long range or short range scan. I press scan and then the inactive types of probes show status scanning as well and become unoperational until I recall them (that still works). - scan results stay cached even after gate jump
Celeritas 5k Caldari Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.03.01 15:10:00 - [579] CCP, I am begging you. PLEASE give wormholes their own scan group. please. for the love of god please. I'm stuck in an unknown system right now with like 30 cosmic signatures coming up on every scan, and no way to tell which are "average frontier deposits" and which are wormholes. (The wormhole I came in through closed.) If this is how every system is, then exploring thousands of systems of unknown space will be a nightmare and I don't think many people will bother with it... - Always be Happy, Never be satisfied.
DeTox MinRohim Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.03.01 15:29:00 - [580] gawdammit ------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink - Online Skillsheet

Takeshi Yamato	Posted - 2009.03.01 16:27:00 - [581] Can anyone tell me what the red ring (instead of a red sphere) means?
Lukas Rox Torchwood Archive	Posted - 2009.03.01 16:41:00 - [582] I hve just found a fullerene site (deadspace signature) - but it is empty. As long as eye can see theres only cosmic void... wait... an icon mid-space with number 5. Says Fullerite C32. --- Visit in game for nice items links http://eve.interkam.pl/eveships
Celeritas 5k Caldari Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2009.03.01 16:53:00 - [583] Okay, after playing with the probing system for a bit I wouldn't mind if wormholes didn't get their own scan group, but it would be really nice to be able to look at results from past scans, so I don't have to keep going back to the same initial search pattern to narrow down the list of results. - Always be Happy, Never be satisfied.
N'olive Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.03.01 17:22:00 - [584] Edited by: N''olive on 01/03/2009 17:23:12 Edited by: N''olive on 01/03/2009 17:22:54 Edited by: N''olive on 01/03/2009 17:22:32 Originally by: Celeritas 5k PLEASE give wormholes their own scan group. please. for the love of god please. Agreed, my current WH got like 40 comsic sig, no tell to tell apart the WH, hackign sites, sleepers,belts, etc. What's the purpose of groups when everything is in the same group --> Like this _______________ Olivier C. - My Eve videos - Battlefieldz Serie (french-dubbed and Eve-themed spoofs)
Miss Moonwych Formedian Shadows	Posted - 2009.03.01 18:00:00 - [585] Edited by: Miss Moonwych on 01/03/2009 18:02:50 A bit of a taste of what is in W-space (reached from high-sec): Picture of several scanned sites Here a list (with base sig strengths): 0.20% - Vast Frontier Reservior (Harvestable Clouds, C32 and C28) 0.39% - Unexeptional Frontier Deposit (Veldspar) 0.10% - Unusual Core Deposit (Veldspar) 0.39% - Ordinary Perimeter Deposit (Veldspar) 0.39% - Common Perimeter Deposit (Veldspar) 0.20% - Average Frontier Deposit (Veldspar) 0.20% - Bountyful Frontier Reservior (Harvestable Clouds, C32 and C28) -.--% - Minor Perimeter Reservior (Harvestable Clouds, C70 and C72) 0.39% - Wormhole (back to highsec K-space) Its hard to see which sigs are which type. Only until you warp to the you know atm. Most of them are now mining or these special gas clouds sites. In my w-system there were around 20 cosmic signatures. More about base sig strength: here and a list of previously found sites in K-space is here. Regards, M.M.
Mikal Drey Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.01 18:56:00 - [586] the new scanning looks vastly improved ! ! ! ! but still a little buggy. When you guys do the dev blog for scanning can you please include a step by step break down. not a spoon feed but at least a small nugget. the red sphere etc doesnt always highlight and if you get 2 probes hit you dont get 2 red spheres :/ also wtf is it ? and whats with the red ring you get ? I managed to find a deadspace signature today and got a 100% signature but couldnt warp to it !! still a confusing system at times :'''( Shattered Crystal - The best place for all your online codes
Miss Moonwych Formedian Shadows	Posted - 2009.03.01 19:22:00 - [587] This w-system is 1272.5ly away from the other tower in k-space .
Marlenus Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.03.01 20:01:00 - [588] In the solar system map I'm suddenly having a great deal of trouble seeing the orbital paths of the orbital bodies, which (on topic) makes it harder to orient myself during probing. Did they dim those lines? (Actually, given my poor color vision, I'm worried that some genius might have set them to a red color that's zero-contrast for me against black space.) ------------------ Ironfleet.com
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2009.03.01 20:39:00 - [589] Originally by: N'olive What's the purpose of groups when everything is in the same group It is socialism I tell .. Socialism! Having more filters would go a long way towards making the new probing truly superior to the current. Don't know why they are abolishing the Gravimetric, Magnetometric, RADAR, LADAR and Unknown distinctions, makes no sense to me. Surely it would be easier to add wormholes under the unknown category which is currently only housing the combat sites. Regular exploration may become easier as time-to-find decreases dramatically, but it is a moot point if you have to nail and warp to 5-6 sites before actually finding one you want.
Captain Vampire	Posted - 2009.03.01 20:52:00 - [590] As previously noted, Worm holes really need a separate category. It is near impossible to find the way out of a WH system if your point of entry collapses. Additionally, I'd really like the option to centre the solar system map at a weak point signal, it is really hard to move the camera around properly if its not centred to the signal. Also, bug or feature? Combat probes finding deadspace abnormalities Deep Space Probes finding ships Empty uncharted asteroid belts? Lack of sleepers and asteroids Noticeable bugs: Scanner UI disappearing after jumping Additional wanted features: Hotkey to remove all parts of UI except Scanning UI in the solar system map

Miss Moonwych Formedian Shadows	Posted - 2009.03.01 21:27:00 - [591] Originally by: Captain Vampire Additionally, I'd really like the option to centre the solar system map at a weak point signal, it is really hard to move the camera around properly if its not centred to the signal. A new feature is using/holding the right mouse button to move your center of view. It is very useful and eliminates any need for centering on any (fixed) object at all. You need to combine it with the direction of view with your left mouse to make it work. Takes some getting used to but is really cool. Regards, M.M.
Arous Drephius Perkone	Posted - 2009.03.01 22:31:00 - [592] Originally by: Miss Moonwych Originally by: Captain Vampire Additionally, I'd really like the option to centre the solar system map at a weak point signal, it is really hard to move the camera around properly if its not centred to the signal. A new feature is using/holding the right mouse button to move your center of view. It is very useful and eliminates any need for centering on any (fixed) object at all. You need to combine it with the direction of view with your left mouse to make it work. Takes some getting used to but is really cool. Regards, M.M. Focusing on probes is much easier though.
Space Wanderer	Posted - 2009.03.01 22:45:00 - [593] Originally by: Miss Moonwych 0.20% - Vast Frontier Reservior (Harvestable Clouds, C32 and C28) 0.39% - Unexeptional Frontier Deposit (Veldspar) 0.10% - Unusual Core Deposit (Veldspar) 0.39% - Ordinary Perimeter Deposit (Veldspar) 0.39% - Common Perimeter Deposit (Veldspar) 0.20% - Average Frontier Deposit (Veldspar) 0.20% - Bountyful Frontier Reservior (Harvestable Clouds, C32 and C28) -.--% - Minor Perimeter Reservior (Harvestable Clouds, C70 and C72) 0.39% - Wormhole (back to highsec K-space) Not much to add, I found only sites in that list. But... where does that "(veldspar)" come from? By any chance have you used the default overview that has only veldspar roids enabled? In all the 0.10 mining sites i could find 0.0 stuff, including bistot and arkonor, but excluding mercoxit, while in 0.20 sites I could find all the lowsec minerals.
Hoshi Eviction.	Posted - 2009.03.01 22:59:00 - [594] Originally by: Captain Vampire Bug or feature? Combat probes finding deadspace abnormalities Most likely feature. Quote: Deep Space Probes finding ships The reason they exist is to find ships in deep safes, that they also find exploration sites are just some added value, just like combat probes doing the same. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
torN Deception GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.01 23:49:00 - [595] As it stands, waiting for your probes to warp around accounts for the largest percentage of exploration time. If you don't want to increase probe warp speed for some reason, how about a new skill(or re-purposing an old one) to increase probe warp speed? Some more information in the scan results window would be nice. If you have, say, at least a 50% hit on a cosmic sig it should tell you under the group of type column whether it's a deadspace site or a wormhole. 80% or better should tell you what sort of profession site(or if it's an unknown) under type. With the old system, you had more feedback as to the type of site you were probing out. That's gone in the new one, and it sucks.
Elisabeth Dakar	Posted - 2009.03.01 23:56:00 - [596] I found a wormhole but it seems i cant jump through it. Is this a known bug?
Andrew Holland Life. Universe. Everything.	Posted - 2009.03.02 00:23:00 - [597] HAPPY CAPS LOCK MARCH EVERYONE. I, TOO, CANNOT ENTER WORMHOLES. I WAS VERY EXCITED WHEN I FINALLY FOUND ONE BUT I CAN'T ENTER.
Kalissa D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.03.02 00:52:00 - [598] I'd like to suggest, nah plead with CCP to give the wormholes their own scanner group too. The old way was actually far more informative, you knew what you were likely to get whether is was radar, gravimetric, unknown etc. The way it now CCP has thrown pretty much everything into the cooking pot under "cosmic signature" for the love of god please sort it out.
Marlenus Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.03.02 02:49:00 - [599] It took me half the day to notice it, but the map toggle button at the top right corner of the scanner window is pure win. My overall impression of the scanning function at this time is that it's functional and engaging. Get the filters working and the scan groups / types sorted out, it will be game on. ------------------ Ironfleet.com
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2009.03.02 04:47:00 - [600] my trip to unknown space today: at ~23:30 i found the first wormhole after having probed a few systems off FD-. at ~02:30 i made the final bookmark the results (180kb): 09 anomalies (which i didn't check) 16 cosmic signatures of which 10 [crappy] belts 04 x2 gas clouds 01 "profession site" 01 other wormhole [****, another x type] all of this was done with an unbonus'ed, unrigged ship (FFA-scimitar </plug>), skills to IV and no implants of interest. the prefession site was a tiny bit stubborn but decided to show up at 100% after (quite) some fondling. now... i've made a few mistakes here and there; for example misinterpreting a red dot - it was one of those triple hits only and i started 0.25'ing the phantom). i would also recommend astrometrics V - not only for the deep space probes, but also for the "simple" option of dumping 8 probes and thus two sets of probes: one large system-covering set, and one set of cores for the tiny stuff. otherwise you will have to move the same quadruplet back and forth from huge to tiny scan after each and every frickin' plex. later i went "catalogueing" the belts. by then, all belts seemed to have a spawn in them. mostly 3-4 frigs or 2 cruisers. having been quite bored after 3h of probing, i had to do some pewpew. in good ole' what-could-possibly-go-wrong manner i charged at one of those cruiser spawns; my single small AC blazing. they soon shot back. one of them webbed (up to 33km, thankyouverymuch) but none seemed to care about my 45m¦ expl drones. quite surprised, i found myself winning and the buffer~ and resistance-less (nope, no dcu either) large SB did not demand more than my recharge rate could offer. so i'm positive, mining will be possible. the quality of the belts was indicated by the "name" of the plex. rare abundances of dark ochre and gneiss were only to be found in even rare roids in "unusual core deposits", clearly outclassing "common", "average", "vast" and even "exceptional" deposits which only contained what looked like high-sec stuff to me. not sure about the second prefix (frontier, perimeter, core) - if that describes the quality or quantity etc blah. gas coulds had their prefixes, too... but i really couldn't say what each stood for (is 10m¦ gases good...?). spawns were a little bigger: 4 cruisers or 2 cruisers and 3-4 frigs. the profession site had 10 spawn containers but they didn't require any tools. security was a bit higher here; 4 frigs and a BS. there seems to be a bug.... i was able to loot the entire place without aggro of any kind (3x 15-run component BPC me0pe0, 7 new R.A.Ms, 3 propulsion datacores, 1 minnie decryptor // for those who might need these things) oh and one more thing: 23:31:38 Notify Local spatial phenomena may cause strange effects on your ship systems. but i didnt notice anything; all ship attributes look normal. - putting the gist back into logistics



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