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Chris Redfield	Posted - 2004.09.01 01:45:00 - [31] TECH 2.. u forget the game aint just for u... its for all people.. u migt disagree, but u must respect that we find this mission to hard.. i respect that u find it a good mission.. BUT U DONT TALK BAD to us. because we have a different appinion.. WTF is that??? eh
Chris Redfield	Posted - 2004.09.01 01:45:00 - [32] TECH 2.. u forget the game aint just for u... its for all people.. u migt disagree, but u must respect that we find this mission to hard.. i respect that u find it a good mission.. BUT U DONT TALK BAD to us. because we have a different appinion.. WTF is that??? eh
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.09.01 01:48:00 - [33] Originally by: Chris Redfield TECH 2.. u forget the game aint just for u... its for all people.. u migt disagree, but u must respect that we find this mission to hard.. i respect that u find it a good mission.. BUT U DONT TALK BAD to us. because we have a different appinion.. WTF is that??? eh Imho its not a an impossible mission - it's just a challenge, where normal missions are similar to mining veldspar, or doing courier missions....so yes, we have something to work for. But anyone in a Bs not winning against this is simply not well prepared - and a second time shouldnt happen, not for you either! Hardeners hardeners hardeners.. - obs
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.09.01 01:48:00 - [34] Originally by: Chris Redfield TECH 2.. u forget the game aint just for u... its for all people.. u migt disagree, but u must respect that we find this mission to hard.. i respect that u find it a good mission.. BUT U DONT TALK BAD to us. because we have a different appinion.. WTF is that??? eh Imho its not a an impossible mission - it's just a challenge, where normal missions are similar to mining veldspar, or doing courier missions....so yes, we have something to work for. But anyone in a Bs not winning against this is simply not well prepared - and a second time shouldnt happen, not for you either! Hardeners hardeners hardeners.. - obs
Seliniah	Posted - 2004.09.01 01:48:00 - [35] that was nice of them to give you the opportunity to analyze the situation. I wish I had the same.
Seliniah	Posted - 2004.09.01 01:48:00 - [36] that was nice of them to give you the opportunity to analyze the situation. I wish I had the same.
Chris Redfield	Posted - 2004.09.01 01:50:00 - [37] maby it was abit naiv... BUT... i warped in at 60 km.. i checked out the ships.. i wasent used to batteling against inty with webber and scramblers... thats not right=!! and i did all the reshearch i could before accepting the mission.. i even asked in help channel.. they told me that it was just a normal mission with the same kind of rats as before just with new names.. so i thought no more of it and engaged,,, maby that was my mistake.. BUT if u see over the day. more then 50 bs was lost today because of this.. so ... i have been in help channel all day been talkin to lots of people that lost their ship.. and well.. i se it this way... that CCP made a mistake, they dident post anywere about the change.. if we just had been warned or anythin.. well taht could have helped.. BUT again CCP dident.. so... but lets se how things gows....
Chris Redfield	Posted - 2004.09.01 01:50:00 - [38] maby it was abit naiv... BUT... i warped in at 60 km.. i checked out the ships.. i wasent used to batteling against inty with webber and scramblers... thats not right=!! and i did all the reshearch i could before accepting the mission.. i even asked in help channel.. they told me that it was just a normal mission with the same kind of rats as before just with new names.. so i thought no more of it and engaged,,, maby that was my mistake.. BUT if u see over the day. more then 50 bs was lost today because of this.. so ... i have been in help channel all day been talkin to lots of people that lost their ship.. and well.. i se it this way... that CCP made a mistake, they dident post anywere about the change.. if we just had been warned or anythin.. well taht could have helped.. BUT again CCP dident.. so... but lets se how things gows....
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.09.01 01:50:00 - [39] Originally by: Seliniah that was nice of them to give you the opportunity to analyze the situation. I wish I had the same. They didnt give me time, I took time :) Jumped in @ 60, saw that two were closing in on me @ 1500m/sec and fired the afterburner to get me some time in seperating them from the crowd (and finish them off). The rest was a lot slower (max 400m/sec average over time or so) ...and posed no threat. Second time I got the mission I fitted another hardener and just jumped in (that would be just a few mins ago). It's npc's, not pirates - they are predictable and easely countered!
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.09.01 01:50:00 - [40] Originally by: Seliniah that was nice of them to give you the opportunity to analyze the situation. I wish I had the same. They didnt give me time, I took time :) Jumped in @ 60, saw that two were closing in on me @ 1500m/sec and fired the afterburner to get me some time in seperating them from the crowd (and finish them off). The rest was a lot slower (max 400m/sec average over time or so) ...and posed no threat. Second time I got the mission I fitted another hardener and just jumped in (that would be just a few mins ago). It's npc's, not pirates - they are predictable and easely countered!

Chris Redfield	Posted - 2004.09.01 01:53:00 - [41] and by the way.. when i engaged the NPC.. i was at 60km. ok... and i set my ship to keep range and i used MWD..and i was engagin the 2 inty, and then suddently the 4 extra cruisers just appeared out of nowere and jamed me.. there was nothin i could do... it all happend within 1 minute,.... so...
Chris Redfield	Posted - 2004.09.01 01:53:00 - [42] and by the way.. when i engaged the NPC.. i was at 60km. ok... and i set my ship to keep range and i used MWD..and i was engagin the 2 inty, and then suddently the 4 extra cruisers just appeared out of nowere and jamed me.. there was nothin i could do... it all happend within 1 minute,.... so...
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.09.01 01:55:00 - [43] Originally by: Chris Redfield maby it was abit naiv... BUT... i warped in at 60 km.. i checked out the ships.. i wasent used to batteling against inty with webber and scramblers... thats not right=!! and i did all the reshearch i could before accepting the mission.. i even asked in help channel.. they told me that it was just a normal mission with the same kind of rats as before just with new names.. so i thought no more of it and engaged,,, maby that was my mistake.. BUT if u see over the day. more then 50 bs was lost today because of this.. so ... i have been in help channel all day been talkin to lots of people that lost their ship.. and well.. i se it this way... that CCP made a mistake, they dident post anywere about the change.. if we just had been warned or anythin.. well taht could have helped.. BUT again CCP dident.. so... but lets se how things gows.... Aye, they stated that there were changes in the mission system and they would make that a "surprise" for us. I think that was cool - because it ment I really didnt know what I'd be up against, and that requires using my brain :) But, aye, for less experienced players or players that had a bit of bad luck its crap that you dont know what you're up to - personally I was dissapointed not to find any info on the mordu guys on EVE-i so I couldnt check their resistances right away. You've got a point - but hopefully you realise that this mission is GOOD - just perhaps wrong how it was introduced into the game..
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.09.01 01:55:00 - [44] Originally by: Chris Redfield maby it was abit naiv... BUT... i warped in at 60 km.. i checked out the ships.. i wasent used to batteling against inty with webber and scramblers... thats not right=!! and i did all the reshearch i could before accepting the mission.. i even asked in help channel.. they told me that it was just a normal mission with the same kind of rats as before just with new names.. so i thought no more of it and engaged,,, maby that was my mistake.. BUT if u see over the day. more then 50 bs was lost today because of this.. so ... i have been in help channel all day been talkin to lots of people that lost their ship.. and well.. i se it this way... that CCP made a mistake, they dident post anywere about the change.. if we just had been warned or anythin.. well taht could have helped.. BUT again CCP dident.. so... but lets se how things gows.... Aye, they stated that there were changes in the mission system and they would make that a "surprise" for us. I think that was cool - because it ment I really didnt know what I'd be up against, and that requires using my brain :) But, aye, for less experienced players or players that had a bit of bad luck its crap that you dont know what you're up to - personally I was dissapointed not to find any info on the mordu guys on EVE-i so I couldnt check their resistances right away. You've got a point - but hopefully you realise that this mission is GOOD - just perhaps wrong how it was introduced into the game..
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.09.01 01:57:00 - [45] Edited by: obscuroditus on 01/09/2004 02:02:44 Originally by: Chris Redfield and by the way.. when i engaged the NPC.. i was at 60km. ok... and i set my ship to keep range and i used MWD..and i was engagin the 2 inty, and then suddently the 4 extra cruisers just appeared out of nowere and jamed me.. there was nothin i could do... it all happend within 1 minute,.... so... Yeah, there is a warning for that in the mission, it's a BESERK mission essentially. Read my friend :) Quote : Extra Info ----------------------- There may be extra waves of enemy ships that spawn during this mission in addition to the ones originally mentioned in the objectives. The journal objectives will update as these extra waves spawn.
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.09.01 01:57:00 - [46] Edited by: obscuroditus on 01/09/2004 02:02:44 Originally by: Chris Redfield and by the way.. when i engaged the NPC.. i was at 60km. ok... and i set my ship to keep range and i used MWD..and i was engagin the 2 inty, and then suddently the 4 extra cruisers just appeared out of nowere and jamed me.. there was nothin i could do... it all happend within 1 minute,.... so... Yeah, there is a warning for that in the mission, it's a BESERK mission essentially. Read my friend :) Quote : Extra Info ----------------------- There may be extra waves of enemy ships that spawn during this mission in addition to the ones originally mentioned in the objectives. The journal objectives will update as these extra waves spawn.
Asharee Intrefer	Posted - 2004.09.01 02:03:00 - [47] Edited by: Asharee Intrefer on 01/09/2004 02:05:57 If I was to formulate "The first rule of life in EVE", it would be: Never undock in a ship you can't afford to lose, no matter how safe you think you are. To judge by your complaints, it seems you couldn't afford to lose your ships. I have yet to try this mission, but I can promise you I won't be here complaining if my ship gets blown to spacedust. I will applaud CCP for implementing a mission that's actually gives me a challenge. This mission shouldn't be removed. I don't want the Zor situation again, the situation where a mission that proves to be a challenge gets removed just because some people couldn't handle it. Well, you had to learn the hard way that the mission was beyond your capabilities, so next time you get offered it you'll have to remember that you have the option to decline it.
Asharee Intrefer	Posted - 2004.09.01 02:03:00 - [48] Edited by: Asharee Intrefer on 01/09/2004 02:05:57 If I was to formulate "The first rule of life in EVE", it would be: Never undock in a ship you can't afford to lose, no matter how safe you think you are. To judge by your complaints, it seems you couldn't afford to lose your ships. I have yet to try this mission, but I can promise you I won't be here complaining if my ship gets blown to spacedust. I will applaud CCP for implementing a mission that's actually gives me a challenge. This mission shouldn't be removed. I don't want the Zor situation again, the situation where a mission that proves to be a challenge gets removed just because some people couldn't handle it. Well, you had to learn the hard way that the mission was beyond your capabilities, so next time you get offered it you'll have to remember that you have the option to decline it.
Chris Redfield	Posted - 2004.09.01 02:12:00 - [49] Originally by: Asharee Intrefer Edited by: Asharee Intrefer on 01/09/2004 02:05:57 If I was to formulate "The first rule of life in EVE", it would be: Never undock in a ship you can't afford to lose, no matter how safe you think you are. To judge by your complaints, it seems you couldn't afford to lose your ships. I have yet to try this mission, but I can promise you I won't be here complaining if my ship gets blown to spacedust. I will applaud CCP for implementing a mission that's actually gives me a challenge. This mission shouldn't be removed. I don't want the Zor situation again, the situation where a mission that proves to be a challenge gets removed just because some people couldn't handle it. Well, you had to learn the hard way that the mission was beyond your capabilities, so next time you get offered it you'll have to remember that you have the option to decline it. were did that come from? hmmmm i have the cababillities, but i had no chance to addabt at all! i have the skills i have the weapons the hardners the works... im used to ganging rats deep in 00.. talk about a challenge.. but i wasent set up for gangin (00) rats in 07 space on a agent lvl 3 mission.. i was set for normal combat... if i had been warned, then sure.. i could have got them all with no problem at all.. u dont know what u are talkin about!.... AND I STILL WANT THE MISSION TO STAY:: GODDAMIT UNDERSTAN..! i just want my ship back because CCP dident write athing about this... they made the patch note, inapropiate. they should have written that the mission " mordus ...-.-." and warned against it.. not justy say... we put in a surprise... yea thats cool... but not for people that actually take the game serius. !
Chris Redfield	Posted - 2004.09.01 02:12:00 - [50] Originally by: Asharee Intrefer Edited by: Asharee Intrefer on 01/09/2004 02:05:57 If I was to formulate "The first rule of life in EVE", it would be: Never undock in a ship you can't afford to lose, no matter how safe you think you are. To judge by your complaints, it seems you couldn't afford to lose your ships. I have yet to try this mission, but I can promise you I won't be here complaining if my ship gets blown to spacedust. I will applaud CCP for implementing a mission that's actually gives me a challenge. This mission shouldn't be removed. I don't want the Zor situation again, the situation where a mission that proves to be a challenge gets removed just because some people couldn't handle it. Well, you had to learn the hard way that the mission was beyond your capabilities, so next time you get offered it you'll have to remember that you have the option to decline it. were did that come from? hmmmm i have the cababillities, but i had no chance to addabt at all! i have the skills i have the weapons the hardners the works... im used to ganging rats deep in 00.. talk about a challenge.. but i wasent set up for gangin (00) rats in 07 space on a agent lvl 3 mission.. i was set for normal combat... if i had been warned, then sure.. i could have got them all with no problem at all.. u dont know what u are talkin about!.... AND I STILL WANT THE MISSION TO STAY:: GODDAMIT UNDERSTAN..! i just want my ship back because CCP dident write athing about this... they made the patch note, inapropiate. they should have written that the mission " mordus ...-.-." and warned against it.. not justy say... we put in a surprise... yea thats cool... but not for people that actually take the game serius. !

Seliniah	Posted - 2004.09.01 02:14:00 - [51] Now be prepared for a bunch of I read the fourm and I fitted exactly what was needed and I was almost killed but I did it responses. All ya gotta do is warp in at 1,000,000 km and lure them with cheese one at a time.
Seliniah	Posted - 2004.09.01 02:14:00 - [52] Now be prepared for a bunch of I read the fourm and I fitted exactly what was needed and I was almost killed but I did it responses. All ya gotta do is warp in at 1,000,000 km and lure them with cheese one at a time.
Chris Redfield	Posted - 2004.09.01 02:17:00 - [53] Originally by: Seliniah Now be prepared for a bunch of I read the fourm and I fitted exactly what was needed and I was almost killed but I did it responses. All ya gotta do is warp in at 1,000,000 km and lure them with cheese one at a time. he he :) funny..
Chris Redfield	Posted - 2004.09.01 02:17:00 - [54] Originally by: Seliniah Now be prepared for a bunch of I read the fourm and I fitted exactly what was needed and I was almost killed but I did it responses. All ya gotta do is warp in at 1,000,000 km and lure them with cheese one at a time. he he :) funny..
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.09.01 02:19:00 - [55] Originally by: Seliniah Now be prepared for a bunch of I read the fourm and I fitted exactly what was needed and I was almost killed but I did it responses. All ya gotta do is warp in at 1,000,000 km and lure them with cheese one at a time. Hehe either the luring with cheese (good one, thats basically what you need to do - pond em from a distance and kill the two bounthunter 1500m/sec OMFGPWN webbifyscramble mofos first) or a ubertanking setup should do. (Get your kinetic and thermal resistances above or close to 75% !) I got this mission again after just finishing the other...cant complain o_O
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.09.01 02:19:00 - [56] Originally by: Seliniah Now be prepared for a bunch of I read the fourm and I fitted exactly what was needed and I was almost killed but I did it responses. All ya gotta do is warp in at 1,000,000 km and lure them with cheese one at a time. Hehe either the luring with cheese (good one, thats basically what you need to do - pond em from a distance and kill the two bounthunter 1500m/sec OMFGPWN webbifyscramble mofos first) or a ubertanking setup should do. (Get your kinetic and thermal resistances above or close to 75% !) I got this mission again after just finishing the other...cant complain o_O
Chris Redfield	Posted - 2004.09.01 02:33:00 - [57] ive just found out from CCP... that the mission toughness depends on wht ship u are using.. if u are using a crusier then the toughness will be adjusted to a cruiser and a BS and so on... so... u havent seen the real mission yet..
Chris Redfield	Posted - 2004.09.01 02:33:00 - [58] ive just found out from CCP... that the mission toughness depends on wht ship u are using.. if u are using a crusier then the toughness will be adjusted to a cruiser and a BS and so on... so... u havent seen the real mission yet..
Seliniah	Posted - 2004.09.01 02:34:00 - [59] then the BS one is wacked
Seliniah	Posted - 2004.09.01 02:34:00 - [60] then the BS one is wacked



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