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Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.10 12:50:00 - [1] I'll cut right to the chase; Ricdic, Ricdics and EBANK Ricdic characters have been banned by CCP. We are in the process of emailing our customers with this information for those who have emails in our database. We're switching over to another deposit character and I'll confirm that when it's finished. You may have also noticed we are still handling withdraws....we intend to keep doing so. Yesterday was a busy day. Here's what we know for certain...Ricdic has scammed and engaged in RMT. He stole roughly 200 Billion of our 2.3 Trillion in deposits (8.6%). We are in the process of getting a new deposit character in place and hope to have this completed by tonight. He might have gotten away with more but Amarr Citizen 155 and Athre were able to prevent that. Please give them your thanks; I know I do. Short term strategy; EBANK is processing withdraws and shrinking...we expect this will happen organically but if we need to nudge it along we will. Long term strategy; still under debate. We have a few options on the table and are debating the best way forward from here. If we need to raise additional capital (which we don't believe we have to do right now) then we have a few options we'll pursue. Bottom line; -EBANK Ricdic has been banned -EBANK Ricdic is no longer the deposit character for EBANK -EBANK Athre is the Interm CEO -EBANK is processing withdraws -EBANK is solvent and will take additional steps if capital infusions are required -EBANK will post again on long term strategy once we finalize it I hope that addresses some of the concerns and I also hope to post more later and provide updates. I appreciate the support some of our customers have expressed. EBANK - Chairman of the Board \| www.eve-bank.net
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.10 12:51:00 - [2] Reserved. EBANK - Chairman of the Board \| www.eve-bank.net
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.10 12:51:00 - [3] Reserved. EBANK - Chairman of the Board \| www.eve-bank.net
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 12:54:00 - [4] Questions - How long did you know about this? Why just post it now when others figured it out prior? How many people lost isk depositied to EBANK Ric after you lost his api info? Any info on the loan that defaulted which was more than what ricdic scammed? Any new employee's that you have hired in the past 1-2 mths we should know about? --- Its a good start come up clean over all and I think EBANK still has a chance.
Lecherito	Posted - 2009.06.10 12:56:00 - [5] Recently, Athre partially defended LRN's decision to scam his investors. I wonder, what his his stance in regards to this most recent Ricdic development? -L
Dragonz Fire The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:01:00 - [6] I also have a very important question that will hopefully be answered in this thread. Did Ricdic pay taxes on the $$$ he made?
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:02:00 - [7] Originally by: Proton Power Questions - How long did you know about this? We knew he stole 200 Billion and attempted an unlock vote on some BPO's yesterday morning. The full extent of the situation is only coming to light in the past few hours. For example; at first we believed we would be getting the EBANK Ricdic character (Ricdic was cooperating with us in a character transfer), however that character was then banned. That only became apparent more recently. Why just post it now when others figured it out prior? Because a lot of information was inaccurate. How many people lost isk depositied to EBANK Ric after you lost his api info? Unclear at this time. Any info on the loan that defaulted which was more than what ricdic scammed? We're not ready to discuss our loans right now. Any new employee's that you have hired in the past 1-2 mths we should know about? Yes, we did bring on some new employees. --- Its a good start come up clean over all and I think EBANK still has a chance. EBANK might have taken a hit, but it's not a mortal wound. We are still actioning withdraws. EBANK - Chairman of the Board \| www.eve-bank.net
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:03:00 - [8] Quote: How long did you know about this? It was first discovered that something was up, yesterday around 05:00. We could however not confirm it till around 14:00, when we contacted Ricdic in real life to get in touch with him. Quote: Why just post it now when others figured it out prior? Because this is bigger than just a simple scam. As you might have noticed, Hexxx mentioned RMT. RMT isn't as simple as you think. Quote: How many people lost isk depositied to EBANK Ric after you lost his api info? Nobody knows, because the API can't be accessed.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:05:00 - [9] Originally by: Lecherito Recently, Athre partially defended LRN's decision to scam his investors. I wonder, what his his stance in regards to this most recent Ricdic development? -L Hers, not his. This is about EBANK's current situation. I would ask that if you want to discuss something unrelated to the purpose of this thread that you create a thread for that purpose. EBANK - Chairman of the Board \| www.eve-bank.net
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:09:00 - [10] Hexxx, I have several questions, and I hope you can answer them as well. 1) What is the current bankÆs liquidity? 2) Who holds the majority of the liquid ISK? 3) How much ISK is locked in BPOs? 4) Who is EBANKÆs official CEO? 5) How much has the bank lost? 6) What is the bankÆs gross and net income? 7) What are the bankÆs mayor liabilities? 8) Who is your internal auditor? Other comments: 1) Please update your website to represent the actual active staff and BOD.
Lecherito	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:09:00 - [11] Considering that the current situation affecting your bank was brought upon by the scamming of one of your prominent members, I feel that the personal convictions of another member on the subject of scamming are quite prudent, especially considering your need to reestablish credibility amongst investors. -L
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:10:00 - [12] Edited by: Ji Sama on 10/06/2009 13:13:34 thank you EBANK you have my trust.... EDIT: @ Lecherito, Athre is upstanding and would never steal from anyone. She is defending YGR because of some screwed perception that he was pushed to scam... I trust Athre, Hexx, AC and Vista. not that they cant be questioned, i just think there is a time and place for everything. People should calm themselves, not start a mass hysteria. .... Let me know when deposits are Up and working... I got some ISK i can put in there for a couple of months... :p
DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:13:00 - [13] I wish to offer my support to Ebank in their time of need... I am sure all of those who deposited isk can give their API to get it verified. Chances are those people are currently banned, or that they may even get the isk back (time will tell)... If EveBank would like a non-exec director to sit on the board and make it look worth while then I offer myself for 200 mil a week.. Tho a lot of people dont really like me, most know that I am a honest trader (ish)....
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:13:00 - [14] Again not really answering questions so will try again. Why has it been 2 months yet, and still you don't have information on a 250-400bil isk unsecured loan? You have the answer you just don't like the answer so say you don't have one yet is the way I take it atm. Great you hired new employee's who are they? What are you going to do about people that still deposited isk after this happend since you failed the public and didnt release anything up to 36hrs after? Why coldnt you state what you stated here 1hr after finding out? It seems to me nothing of much infomration is in there I didn't figure out without the sources EBANK has within about 30min.
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:14:00 - [15] O wow. So, he is in real life just as he was here :P Any idea's if he really got all the 200bil changed into RM? Even if it's alot of money (well, for some maybe) I still can't see how someone can screw somany people for it. Ricdic, just to let you know, you are a ******. I hope RL reflects your deeds ingame very soon.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:23:00 - [16] Perhaps and Official Statement for what its worth. TMP Industries will assist in anyway possible in this matter. Need help with the numbers, and massive accounts of api verifications etc.. Can also help with basic task etc. Just let us know, I am also sure alot of others are willing to step in and help our only TITAN regain its step.. EBank is the Pearl of MD, and this is nothing but a scratch... Quote: "Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed"
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:34:00 - [17] Originally by: Block Ukx Hexxx, I have several questions, and I hope you can answer them as well. 1) What is the current bankÆs liquidity? 2) Who holds the majority of the liquid ISK? 3) How much ISK is locked in BPOs? 4) Who is EBANKÆs official CEO? 5) How much has the bank lost? 6) What is the bankÆs gross and net income? 7) What are the bankÆs mayor liabilities? 8) Who is your internal auditor? Other comments: 1) Please update your website to represent the actual active staff and BOD. Some of your questions I can't answer - our liquidity as of yesterday was 400 billion to 500 billion. This number is in flux though because of withdraws and liquidations on our end. A large amount of ISK is being held by me (around 240 billion) with tellers receiving the normal amount. We have significant amounts of ISK in BPO's to the tune of 5 Titan BPO's. They have been profitable and we'd rather like to avoid liquidating them since the income is safe and passive. EBANK's acting CEO is Athre. As I mentioned before, Ricdic stole 200 Billion. This was almost entirely in cash. He "took the money and ran" as it were. The Bank measures itself through asset valuation, surpluses and deficits. We don't have an accurate number because right now we are engaged in ALOT of activity. I'm not too worried about this though. Our major liabilities would, as usual, be our loans. However today we just had a 40 billion loan repaid. Our internal auditor was Selene. We have not had time yet to find a replacement.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:37:00 - [18] So the most important character in EBANK scammed. Not only did he run off with a good chunk of ISK, he most likely kept accepting ISK deposits to character EBANK Ricdic in the last few days. 1. How much money is typically deposited in a NORMAL day via EBANK Ricdic 2. How will you handle the claims from people who deposited money but that hasn't reached their account (API audit?) If I read the EBANK reports correctly only about a third of the 2.3T ISK is in liquid form (approx. 700B). Ricdic scammed 200B of that leaving around 500B in anticipation of a run on the bank. The bank is now trying to liquidate assets to be able to pay their withdrawals.
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:42:00 - [19] Two things to note: 1) I've made available 50b in operating capital to EBank conditional on certain financial information being made available to me in turn. Thus far, they don't have any interest in it, but it's still available to them. 2) Please don't email me again with the "To:" field. Anyone want a list of 195 EBank customers' email addresses? MP -- Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral ~~compression~~expansion! WTF?
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:44:00 - [20] Originally by: cosmoray So the most important character in EBANK scammed. Not only did he run off with a good chunk of ISK, he most likely kept accepting ISK deposits to character EBANK Ricdic in the last few days. 1. How much money is typically deposited in a NORMAL day via EBANK Ricdic 2. How will you handle the claims from people who deposited money but that hasn't reached their account (API audit?) If I read the EBANK reports correctly only about a third of the 2.3T ISK is in liquid form (approx. 700B). Ricdic scammed 200B of that leaving around 500B in anticipation of a run on the bank. The bank is now trying to liquidate assets to be able to pay their withdrawals. Ricdic would periodically send money to tellers and to me, I held 240 billion in "reserves" and the tellers had quite a bit. I also know that Mr. Horizontal had 80 billion in dividends and holds alot of the shares. And yes...we are liquidating...not just to pay withdraws from this; but to shrink the Bank. Most of that will happen just from the immediate news but if we need to nudge it along, there are things we can do. You can find numbers on our deposits via our stats page on the website. In terms of how we'll handle claims of people who deposited money to Ricdic; that is still unclear right this second. EBANK - Chairman of the Board \| www.eve-bank.net
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Proton Power Again not really answering questions so will try again. Why has it been 2 months yet, and still you don't have information on a 250-400bil isk unsecured loan? You have the answer you just don't like the answer so say you don't have one yet is the way I take it atm. Great you hired new employee's who are they? What are you going to do about people that still deposited isk after this happend since you failed the public and didnt release anything up to 36hrs after? Why coldnt you state what you stated here 1hr after finding out? It seems to me nothing of much infomration is in there I didn't figure out without the sources EBANK has within about 30min. I can answer most these fairly easy. If I answer I will be posting names, infomration that your suppose to hold confidential and such. I am giving you a chance to put it all out there but seems to me yoru still not putting out information.
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:45:00 - [22] Originally by: Hexxx There are two distinct and separate issues we're dealing with internally and the entire purpose of us keeping these discussions internal is so that people don't go posting inaccurate information....which you just did. I shouldn't need to lecture you about this and I'm disappointed I even have to respond in this setting. Now; in regards to EBANK, we're working on resolving two different issues. The first we had just about closed the case on when another hit. I'd ask for a little patience as we work to resolve the second issue. We'll be addressing BOTH once we finish the second. That's all I have to say right now about it. What do you mean by finishing it? You have not adressed the first issue yet. Why you did say nothing about the first until now? Why the wating for releasing the info about the first issue if it is unrelated to the second? What accuracy needed two months to be reached? Didn't you have the information about the issue that happened two months ago until now to be released without inaccuracy? EVE Knowledge
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Motivated Prophet 2) Please don't email me again with the "To:" field. Anyone want a list of 195 EBank customers' email addresses? MP Minor mess-up on my part. I'm used to having my mail program BBC things, if there's more than 1 email in the to field. Turns out, that my new one doesn't.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:47:00 - [24] Originally by: Krathos Morpheus Originally by: Hexxx There are two distinct and separate issues we're dealing with internally and the entire purpose of us keeping these discussions internal is so that people don't go posting inaccurate information....which you just did. I shouldn't need to lecture you about this and I'm disappointed I even have to respond in this setting. Now; in regards to EBANK, we're working on resolving two different issues. The first we had just about closed the case on when another hit. I'd ask for a little patience as we work to resolve the second issue. We'll be addressing BOTH once we finish the second. That's all I have to say right now about it. What do you mean by finishing it? You have not adressed the first issue yet. Why you did say nothing about the first until now? Why the wating for releasing the info about the first issue if it is unrelated to the second? What accuracy needed two months to be reached? Didn't you have the information about the issue that happened two months ago until now to be released without inaccuracy? This. And still no answers on most of it.
Viktor Raybach	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:48:00 - [25] Originally by: Proton Power I can answer most these fairly easy. If I answer I will be posting names, infomration that your suppose to hold confidential and such. I am giving you a chance to put it all out there but seems to me yoru still not putting out information. Blackmail? Really? Way to make yourself look good here.
strcpy	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:49:00 - [26] I wander when CCP will create a concord bank and stop this "banks". Nice scenario guys.
Saehta	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:51:00 - [27] An actual bank would be nice I too am interested in a response Proton but give them a little time before you start a dump inb4 they had 2 months
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Viktor Raybach Originally by: Proton Power I can answer most these fairly easy. If I answer I will be posting names, infomration that your suppose to hold confidential and such. I am giving you a chance to put it all out there but seems to me yoru still not putting out information. Blackmail? Really? Way to make yourself look good here. Maybe if they would answer the questiosn honestly they wouldnt worry about such things? Its not blackmail btw, its an optin they answer the questions or I do.
Leowen Industrial Giants	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:52:00 - [29] I'm surprised. I didn't see this coming. I have preached in this forum many times though, that the EBANK institution (and DBANK for that matter) just offers a more complex version of an unsecured bond. Regardless of complexity of mechanisms and auditing, scamming is possible, and so depositing carries a risk. That risk is not adequately recognised in the interest rates offered. Thus I have never invested in any bank, I prefer to hold hundreds of billions of idle ISK in my account than trust it to someone else. The secondary market in EVE can work, but there is WAAAAAYYYY too much naivety and trust at play. A formal game mechanic needs to come in, and/or the return rates need to increase dramatically so that risk matched reward. Until then as far as I'm concerned anyone investing in anyone else is just waiting for a hiding. No offence to any remaining EBANK staff is intended in this post. I just think the system is and always has been very questionable.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 13:56:00 - [30] The risk of putting your money in EBANK has significantly increased. There is now NO justification having money in EBANK in accounts not earning any interest. 3% savings rate is no longer high enough to justify the risk. There may arguments about EBANK being the gold standard and lowest risk, but not anymore. Only entities that have not scammed move up the table by default. Investors will be asking (rightly too) why should I leave money in an EBANK sweep account when I earn nothing, and also why should I loan them cash at 3% as the risk factor has gone up. Some private bonds and successful IPO's now have a better risk profile. Ray, BMBE, Bad Bobby, Kwint, Cosmoray, DBANK some of the newer investments now look at least as safe as EBANK.

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