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Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.06.10 17:28:00 - [151] i give thank to the MD AC here for saving the monies and you all moaned at me when it just over 500 mill lol :P hope ebank get back on it feet it a shame this RMT always finds you out
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.06.10 17:31:00 - [152] Originally by: Pastiche My questions are thus: 1) Why wasn't Ricdic's access/involvement scaled back more? This isn't the first time he has caused trouble. There is ample evidence that he could be trouble in a very significant way. While I understand that EBank was his baby, thinking of the bank and it's customers would show a need to sideline him. While I donÆt condone RicdicÆs actions, EBANK managed to raise 2+ Trillion because of Ricdic. There is no doubt in my mind that none of the present EBANK employees would have raised that amount without Ricdic. Even ccp loved Ricdic.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.06.10 17:33:00 - [153] Quote: 1) Why wasn't Ricdic's access/involvement scaled back more? This isn't the first time he has caused trouble. There is ample evidence that he could be trouble in a very significant way. While I understand that EBank was his baby, thinking of the bank and it's customers would show a need to sideline him. Plans were under way to remove the deposit role from Ricdic to myself. They never went through though. Quote: 2) Is there any effort or headway in getting the past 24-48 hours of API information from CCP? This there any recourse for information with CCP? I suspect as the economy of Eve grows more complex from the "let the players make it" view, the issue of banned/inactive accounts is going to come up more often. We are using any method possible, to limit the damage. Contacting CCP isn't out of the quesiton. However I can not discuss any such thing further.
Dzil Caldari Waffles Reloaded	Posted - 2009.06.10 17:39:00 - [154] My three cents: Ebank's system of spreading the risk in this case proved successful in mitigating some of the damage. Many EVE corps are more poorly managed to where a CEO/director will collapse the whole system. In contrast, Ricdic didn't dissolve ebank, and was only able to run with about 10% of its assets. To be honest, that's amazing. I don't know what expectations ebank has set with the public as far as reporting its monthly profits. I know most corps with public funds are held to a standard of letting folks know about events that could potentially impact their investment. Needless to say, the decision to hide their dirty laundrey does no good for their reputation, in my opinion. Finally, I don't know all the details behind Ricdic's ban - for fairness' sake it's equally possible he either got burnt out and changed course, or that his computer/account was compromised. In the end it doesn't matter - a sound business offering includes a "hit by the bus" clause that should include mitigation if the main character running the show is compromised/lost. I hope that more public corps in the future adopt ebank's model of spreading the risk over several trusted individuals, as I see TMP industries doing by reinvesting their capital in lots of places. Doing so ensures that even if the CEO himself goes rogue, the corp can survive. Sorry for the loss, but not too sorry - it's only a game of EVE, after all ;) ------------------------------ In EVE, when someone undercuts you, they're a lemming. When you undercut someone else, it's skill/effort/manipulation.
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.06.10 17:41:00 - [155] Originally by: Hexxx EBANK Ricdic has been banned Have all of Ricdic's many alts been banned? I realise that only the one was an official conduit for EBANK deposits, but knowing this would go a long way toward 'full disclosure' of EBANK-linked characters that should no longer be trusted. Originally by: cosmoray The risk profile of EBANK has shot up and 3% is no longer a fair reflection of risk. The risk that's relevant to the depositor is their risk of losing their own ISK, not the bank's risk of losing its ISK, though the two can be related. At present, it appears that EBANK's official position is that all deposits, interest payments and withdrawals will be honoured. If having a low interest rate (mostly 1.5%, some 3%) helps EBANK absorb its own investment losses and keep its clients whole, then it does not necessarily require a decrease in depositor confidence. I.e., that the bank can handle this kind of trauma actually speaks to low risk to depositors, rather than high risk. Speaking for myself, the main reason I have only a token amount on deposit with the bank is that I can do better than 1.5% interest myself, not because I think the bank faces imminent failure. Originally by: SentryRaven What reason would there be to make the default public? Simply as a part of normal ongoing reporting. If it was two months ago, should it not have showed up in the bank's last monthly report? Or was it only DBANK that was doing somewhat-regular report? Originally by: Tobin Shalim If we did a deposit to EBANK Ricdic that we can prove wasn't processed (our wallet vs. what the website says was deposited) then will you still honor the deposit? An official position on this would be welcome. To maintain the privacy of depositors, the bank could hire an external auditor to API-verify claimed deposits before honouring them.
Susung Alt Anti-defamation League	Posted - 2009.06.10 17:42:00 - [156] I never liked or trusted that scab since he turned up in Bawilan 4 years ago. GOODRIDDANCE
PuncherDavis	Posted - 2009.06.10 17:55:00 - [157] HEllo all. My understanding from the first initial post was that Riddic was banned for RMT..Real money transfer I think it means.. Or something close to that in meaning. SInce that is a big no no I can see him getting his accounts banned. Wonder how much 200 billion is worth in real dollars..kind of scary.. And im not going to sermonize. But eve is a game..safest place for your cash is in your wallet or hard assests. Also was selene a part of the riddic thing or alts. I thought he was a seperate player but i may be incorrect. Please correct me if IM wrong
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.06.10 17:57:00 - [158] Quote: Have all of Ricdic's many alts been banned? I realise that only the one was an official conduit for EBANK deposits, but knowing this would go a long way toward 'full disclosure' of EBANK-linked characters that should no longer be trusted. We wouldn't know for sure. But I think it's fair to assume that any account which Ricdic has touched, would be banned. Quote: Simply as a part of normal ongoing reporting. If it was two months ago, should it not have showed up in the bank's last monthly report? Or was it only DBANK that was doing somewhat-regular report? We haven't been doing monthly reports, afaik. Quote: An official position on this would be welcome. To maintain the privacy of depositors, the bank could hire an external auditor to API-verify claimed deposits before honouring them. We couldn't possibly. The API won't report anything for banned accounts. We are working on a solution to it. At this point, it seems like a GM will have to be involved in recovering any ISK people might have deposited, after he got banned. And then we would have to establish a new deposit character.
Potsnack	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:02:00 - [159] Originally by: cosmoray Two other thinmgs that interest me: 1. I wonder why Ric didn't go through with his 100B+ Titan bond because he could have picked up some extra free ISk's. Maybe he did the SCAM after that date. I'm asking myself the very same question, but I'm glad he didn't, as it was quite likely he would have cleaned me out, as I was about to put a lot more into it to try and kick it into life. He returned my initial isk promptly after closing the offering. I'm sorry you chose this path Ricdic, but if the family stuff is actually true, well, I still send your family my best wishes because this is just a game, and in real life, a man has to do what must be done for his family. I just wish you'd asked us for help first - I think you may have been suprised by the level of support you would have received.
Zero Uptick	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:03:00 - [160] Originally by: LaVista Vista We are working on a solution to it. At this point, it seems like a GM will have to be involved in recovering any ISK people might have deposited, after he got banned. And then we would have to establish a new deposit character. You can't seriously think the GMs will do anything to help. That character is banned.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:06:00 - [161] Originally by: Zero Uptick Originally by: LaVista Vista We are working on a solution to it. At this point, it seems like a GM will have to be involved in recovering any ISK people might have deposited, after he got banned. And then we would have to establish a new deposit character. You can't seriously think the GMs will do anything to help. That character is banned. GMs are known to reversing transactions to banned characters.
Pink Kiwi	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:07:00 - [162] Why are deposits made to a character and not a corporation? It would seem that using a corporation would prevent a problem like this from happening in the future.
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:09:00 - [163] Originally by: LaVista Vista Quote: The bank could hire an external auditor to API-verify claimed deposits before honouring them. We couldn't possibly. The API won't report anything for banned accounts. We are working on a solution to it. At this point, it seems like a GM will have to be involved in recovering any ISK people might have deposited, after he got banned. And then we would have to establish a new deposit character. The wallet of the person claiming that they made a deposit will also show the transaction, and an auditor could indeed verify that, even with EBANK Ricdic being banned. Might I suggest "EBANK Deposits" as a deposits pilot name?
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:09:00 - [164] To throw some light on the Ric and scam deal from what he has told me this was never the intention, but RL got in the way, problems were occuring in EBANK so he did it. I am not saying its okay, nor saying he did right, just stating what I know. If his intentions were isk from the start he could have walked away with over 500bil isk with ease, my guess is he didnt wnat to kill EBANK, and new he couldnt really get rid of that much isk.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:10:00 - [165] Originally by: Pink Kiwi Why are deposits made to a character and not a corporation? It would seem that using a corporation would prevent a problem like this from happening in the future. That's a good suggestion. I think it was kept to a character for historical reasons and not wanting to have to make the changeover. Now that they're forced to it might be an idea. LV will you post this on internal forums and take it into consideration? WTS Tech II Component BPO Sets \| Auction Prowler
Narita	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:17:00 - [166] Originally by: strcpy I wander when CCP will create a concord bank and stop this "banks". Nice scenario guys. You already have a "CONCORD bank". It's called your personal wallet. They keep your cash perfectly secure. You're expecting NPCs to pay interest? How? They don't do anything. Stop dreaming, interest-paying is only the domain of players. You don't get isk for free.
Dzil Caldari Waffles Reloaded	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:18:00 - [167] Originally by: PuncherDavis HEllo all. My understanding from the first initial post was that Riddic was banned for RMT..Real money transfer I think it means.. Or something close to that in meaning. SInce that is a big no no I can see him getting his accounts banned. Wonder how much 200 billion is worth in real dollars..kind of scary.. And im not going to sermonize. But eve is a game..safest place for your cash is in your wallet or hard assests. Also was selene a part of the riddic thing or alts. I thought he was a seperate player but i may be incorrect. Please correct me if IM wrong I had originally thought Selene was a Ricdic alt, but I could be confused. Determining the worth of 200 bil in RMT is tough. But I can say even at the inflated price of 400m / PLEX, you could buy 500 PLEX, which would be $7500 in account time. The RMT value of that is substancially lower, as players adopt significant (banhammer) risk trading money, where they could stay inside game rules with PLEX. In conclusion if you're thinking about making RL money in an MMO - do second life, not EVE ;).
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:20:00 - [168] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Pink Kiwi Why are deposits made to a character and not a corporation? It would seem that using a corporation would prevent a problem like this from happening in the future. That's a good suggestion. I think it was kept to a character for historical reasons and not wanting to have to make the changeover. Now that they're forced to it might be an idea. LV will you post this on internal forums and take it into consideration? We actually discussed it internally just a few hours ago, when considering how to make the next deposit character. It's a really good idea. I say we do it, tbh.
TheVad Amarr Metalworks	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:21:00 - [169] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Pink Kiwi Why are deposits made to a character and not a corporation? It would seem that using a corporation would prevent a problem like this from happening in the future. That's a good suggestion. I think it was kept to a character for historical reasons and not wanting to have to make the changeover. Now that they're forced to it might be an idea. LV will you post this on internal forums and take it into consideration? The exact suggestion is already being considered. Thanks! TheVad
Hariya	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:22:00 - [170] WTF? They banned a person for playing PVP in a pure PVP game? How ****ing lame can CCP get
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:23:00 - [171] Originally by: Hariya WTF? They banned a person for playing PVP in a pure PVP game? How ****ing lame can CCP get RMT Isn't PVP.
Saehta Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:28:00 - [172] Originally by: Narita Originally by: strcpy I wander when CCP will create a concord bank and stop this "banks". Nice scenario guys. You already have a "CONCORD bank". It's called your personal wallet. They keep your cash perfectly secure. You're expecting NPCs to pay interest? How? They don't do anything. Stop dreaming, interest-paying is only the domain of players. You don't get isk for free. i dont see why a bond system couldnt be implemented with NPC corps. Locks away your isk for 2-3 months and you get the isk returned with interest. Zero interest if pulled sooner
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:30:00 - [173] First, to clarify some things. Seleene was the head of the Mercenary Coalition, and was the one who went to work for CCP. I am the owner of Eve Online Hold'Em, and have twice in the past been a member of EBANK's board. I also am not associated with Ricdic in any way other than having been on the EBANK board with him, and having had countless arguments about his hotheaded decisions as CEO over the years.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:34:00 - [174] Reserved.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:34:00 - [175] Reserved.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:35:00 - [176] Reserved.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:36:00 - [177] Reserved.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:36:00 - [178] Reserve.. (I put 2 periods to be different)
Karentaki Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:39:00 - [179] Edited by: Karentaki on 10/06/2009 18:40:22 Just posting to say I predicted this. Also... Lulz.
Mazare Mircea Gallente	Posted - 2009.06.10 18:42:00 - [180] Reserved for future asking of more answers.

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