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Torrstar
Blueprint Haus
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Posted - 2009.06.11 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Victriferusianus Edited by: Victriferusianus on 11/06/2009 13:17:48 I have to say I understand Ricdics decision completely and would have done the same in his situation. He didn't commit any crime. He scammed people in game. People do that all the time just for lulz. And suicide gank. And wardeck helpless corporations. It's part of the game and anyone is free to play that way if he wants. EVE is a cold harsh world by design. There are no moral problems in scamming inside EVE. It's like surprising your opponent in a chess game with a nasty move. Nothing bad in that.
The RMT part was against the EULA, so that's breaking the games rules and sort of bad but he was caught and banned, so that's that. I hope the ISK buyer gets the ban hammer also.
You know, you're right. At first read I was thinking, this guy's a low-life for doing such a low life thing, but you are correct, this is within the game mechanics and is legal.
I just happen to think that players who scam are all low-lives, but that's just me. I strive to live to a higher moral code, and no, using your family as an excuse to betray friends (online or not) is a morally reprehensible thing to do. But there is no honor among thieves and people's moral compasses are truly broken in this day and age.
I have some respect for the scammers that have the balls to come on a forum and brag about the excellence of their efforts, (and some scams are pretty great) but utter contempt for this weak apology that the person "had to do it for his family". Bah.... man up to your actions but don't ask for forgiveness or understanding.
If you are a low-life, be at least be proud of what you are.
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Proton Power
Amarr Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.11 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sophia Truthspeaker Could someone from Ebank verify that the text posted by Ottozia is from Ricdic? There should be ample insider informations given, which would linken the text to at least an Ebank employee.
Its from Ric. Pretty accurate from my time in EBANK and dead on with some other issue's. I can't say LV does nothing, but if you look at what Ric did compared to LV it may seem that way, plus as LV says a lot of his was behind the seens.
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Sophia Truthspeaker
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.06.11 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Sophia Truthspeaker Could someone from Ebank verify that the text posted by Ottozia is from Ricdic? There should be ample insider informations given, which would linken the text to at least an Ebank employee.
If it's not ricdic, then I be damned.
Great, thanks. If an (to me) unknown person posts such a message I'd like to know if we can take it as face value or not.
While I wasn't fond of Ricdic there wasn't a right choice, just the choice between two evils. I hope he will think of it as the lesser one.
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Mr Horizontal
Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.11 13:50:00 -
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Yup it's Ric alright, though I'm surprised that his wrath is toward LV, who while not a director is and has always been a major ambassador for EBANK.
Director | www.eve-bank.net |
LeGlt
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.11 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: LeGlt on 11/06/2009 13:51:30 Edited by: LeGlt on 11/06/2009 13:51:09 People seem to be ignoring or illigitimising Ottozia's posts on page 11 - I have just been speaking to Ricdic on MSN, not just as a corp mate but as a friend, and he has asked me to confirm that the posts by Ottozia are a correct and accurate record of events.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/legit/Untitled.jpg __________________________ Nice forum - I'll take it! |
Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.11 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: LeGlt People seem to be ignoring or illigitimising Ottozia's posts on page 11 - I have just been speaking to Ricdic on MSN, not just as a corp mate but as a friend, and he has asked me to confirm that the posts by Ottozia are a correct and accurate record of events.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/legit/Untitled.jpg
? what forum do you read?
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"Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed" |
LeGlt
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.11 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama
? what forum do you read?
Evidently not this one, though perhaps someone beat me to the confirmation post whilst I was preparing my screenshot etc. __________________________ Nice forum - I'll take it! |
Archon Megalon
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Posted - 2009.06.11 13:53:00 -
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Anyone find it strange that EBANK has so many members of Kia working for them, but Kia defaulted on 250,000,000,000 isk loan? |
Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.11 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ji Sama on 11/06/2009 13:55:03
Originally by: LeGlt
Originally by: Ji Sama
? what forum do you read?
Evidently not this one, though perhaps someone beat me to the confirmation post whilst I was preparing my screenshot etc.
no worries, always good to get the confirmed confirmed.... :D say hi to ricdic for me :D and wish him luck...
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.11 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power
Originally by: Sophia Truthspeaker Could someone from Ebank verify that the text posted by Ottozia is from Ricdic? There should be ample insider informations given, which would linken the text to at least an Ebank employee.
I can't say LV does nothing, but if you look at what Ric did compared to LV it may seem that way, plus as LV says a lot of his was behind the seens.
And that's a very important distinction to make.
I only did tellering for a small while.
My work was entirely with customers and with our tellers. I have worked a lot with Athre the last 6 months or so, working on operational issues that EBANK has had. I have also worked quite a bit on PR, both with different media outlets as well as at events like fanfest.
And I have also done a few tidbits of other things. Like picking up with customers where Ricdic left them, by collecting collateral, etc, when Ricdic was busy. If the customers has a problem, be it deposits, the website, getting in touch with somebody, getting to know about EBANK, I was there. That was basically my job, which I was assigned as I joined the CSM, because it's basically the same role: Talk and help the players.
If you look over the forums, comments on news-site, you will find that people have appreciated that I have been so visible. I'm not a wizz with loans or anything like that. I served the purpose I did best.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.11 13:58:00 -
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Well i think Ricdics beef with Lvv is something completely different than he is saying. Lvv has done a fantastic job in promoting EBANK!
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"Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed" |
Cordele
Gemini Technologies
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Posted - 2009.06.11 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Archon Megalon Anyone find it strange that EBANK has so many members of Kia working for them, but Kia defaulted on 250,000,000,000 isk loan?
I find it inevitable. EBANK's always mystifying claim to political neutrality has been exposed as a charade by this. The claim clearly would have been false even if the loan had been repaid; the fact that it wasn't just makes things worse. |
Sophia Truthspeaker
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.06.11 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: LeGlt People seem to be ignoring or illigitimising Ottozia's posts on page 11 - I have just been speaking to Ricdic on MSN, not just as a corp mate but as a friend, and he has asked me to confirm that the posts by Ottozia are a correct and accurate record of events.
I didn't want to illigitimize Ottozia's post. I simply don't know him, have no idea, why Ricdic would send him his statement.
I imagine most of the MD readers don't have access to the Ebank internal data, so we had no way of telling if it was Ricdic speaking or someone claiming to be him. |
Dzil
Caldari Waffles Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.06.11 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Motivated Prophet
It's a stupid, stupid thing to do for $5,000. MP
While I'm not condoning RMT, are you saying it was a stupid idea to save his house/family, and give up EVE? |
LeGlt
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.11 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sophia Truthspeaker
I didn't want to illigitimize Ottozia's post. I simply don't know him, have no idea, why Ricdic would send him his statement.
I imagine most of the MD readers don't have access to the Ebank internal data, so we had no way of telling if it was Ricdic speaking or someone claiming to be him.
RIcdic is banned, thus cnanot login to post himself (most likely). Ottozia is also a friend and corpmate too, someone had to speak on Ric's behalf, Ric chose Otto to do it I'm hoping after my post and screenshot though people are clear on the matter that Ottozia's posts on page 11 are in fact , from the man himself. |
Anvalor
Gallente Germania Inc. D0GMA
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Posted - 2009.06.11 14:39:00 -
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Hehe funny how people believe that stuff about his house and so. I think he he just got tired of eve and decided to cash out. Or does anyone really believe he was forced to make that decission ? How can you trust in someones words right after he scammed. |
Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.11 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Cordele
Originally by: Archon Megalon Anyone find it strange that EBANK has so many members of Kia working for them, but Kia defaulted on 250,000,000,000 isk loan?
I find it inevitable. EBANK's always mystifying claim to political neutrality has been exposed as a charade by this. The claim clearly would have been false even if the loan had been repaid; the fact that it wasn't just makes things worse.
I wanted to address this because it's actually a good point.
Very early on in EBANK, we wanted to make loans to alliances or corporations instead of just individuals. We weren't sure how to advertise this so we asked if any of our guys knew of someone/something that we could loan to. This is how we first came across the alliance in question.
It turned out to be a good sized loan and a good profit. In all (as has been quoted previously) we made 130 billion in pure profit. Like with most things; you could say that some of us became a bit myopic to the risk larger exposure posed.
From our understanding, the alliance flourished as well, which was good for us....it meant that we had no doubt they would be able to pay. So, while the conspiracy theory has a half-truth...the motivation for poor judgment was greed, not political allegiance.
EBANK has been and continues to be politically neutral. |
Mr Horizontal
Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.11 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Anvalor Hehe funny how people believe that stuff about his house and so. I think he he just got tired of eve and decided to cash out. Or does anyone really believe he was forced to make that decission ? How can you trust in someones words right after he scammed.
Given he's on my Facebook and I've seen the pictures of his house, 2 kids and wife, plus knowing Ricdic can't keep his trap shut even if he wanted to, yes it's believable. |
Cordele
Gemini Technologies
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Posted - 2009.06.11 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dzil While I'm not condoning RMT, are you saying it was a stupid idea to save his house/family, and give up EVE?
Let's be clear about this; he did this out of greed, plain and simple. The supposed circumstances that he's invoked as an excuse are just that, an excuse, and judging by the number of people who've been taken in by it it's a pretty effective one.
His life, or whatever he says about his life, is completely irrelevant. It would be pathetic of him to bring something like that up if it were true, but he knows that's the level any discussion of his motives has to be brought down to in order to salvage any respectability, and like most frauds, he craves respectability; that's what EBANK and every public project before it was ultimately about for him. |
Tess
Gallente Twilight Labs
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Posted - 2009.06.11 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Tess on 11/06/2009 14:49:27
Originally by: Ottozia IMPORTANT PLEASE READ
Continued part 3
So in closing, I take full responsibility for the scam obviously, but the loan was a team effort and group decision amongst the whole board (including Shar Tegral btw). It will be interesting to see how the EBANK staff go with handling day to day duties, and how LV handles being CEO after he failed at auditing for odd transactions. I apologise to all staff and customers for what has occured and hope at least those who were considered friends understand (to some degree) the reasoning behind the decision.
Thanks, Ricdic Former CEO of EBANK
Ridic took advantage of a once in a lifetime opportunity to provide himself his own bailout. He has blurred the lines of real life and video game life. His scam will forever be intertwined with his financial problems in real life; similar in nature to normal everyday people who decide to sell their souls and families to the devil to become reality TV stars. Do you really expect anyone to condone your actions in anyway just because you had to save yourself, from yourself? Hundreds of thousands of others are suffering, you are not special.
Ah but I doubt you are out of the woods just yet. If you had to resort to a video game scam to save your house, then indeed you are in trouble. YouÆve used your last get out of jail card. For your familyÆs sake I hope you make it, but thereÆs a thing called karma, and itÆs aà.
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Cordele
Gemini Technologies
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Posted - 2009.06.11 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Horizontal Given he's on my Facebook and I've seen the pictures of his house, 2 kids and wife, plus knowing Ricdic can't keep his trap shut even if he wanted to, yes it's believable.
He lied to me about his trustworthines for years and then stole the equivalent of thousands of dollars from my organisation, but he's on my Facebook and so must ultimately be a reliable individual whose every word I can believe! |
Anvalor
Gallente Germania Inc. D0GMA
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Posted - 2009.06.11 14:56:00 -
[352]
Originally by: Mr Horizontal
Originally by: Anvalor Hehe funny how people believe that stuff about his house and so. I think he he just got tired of eve and decided to cash out. Or does anyone really believe he was forced to make that decission ? How can you trust in someones words right after he scammed.
Given he's on my Facebook and I've seen the pictures of his house, 2 kids and wife, plus knowing Ricdic can't keep his trap shut even if he wanted to, yes it's believable.
I did not mean that he lied about having a house wife and so on. I bet he and his family are thinking about how to spend that money atm hehe. Maybe some holidays there and a few new toys for the kids. If people would have been reading about his past they would have seens this coming, but most did not care about the warning from others. But thats just my opinion. This news made me chuckle so i had to post something about it. |
Chantilly Layce
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Posted - 2009.06.11 14:58:00 -
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Time to call in the Spanish Inquisition...nothing compels truthful confessions like white-hot pokers, some time on the rack, and Iron Maidens... and we could all use the amusement.
Caveat Emptor, kiddies, Caveat Emptor.
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Cordele
Gemini Technologies
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Posted - 2009.06.11 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Hexxx we asked if any of our guys knew of someone/something that we could loan to...
In all (as has been quoted previously) we made 130 billion in pure profit...
From our understanding, the alliance flourished as well, which was good for us...
EBANK has been and continues to be politically neutral.
How many other alliances that do not have senior members on your board have you given enough unsecured (and unrepaid) loans to to purchase several titans? |
Raukho
Evoke. Ev0ke
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Posted - 2009.06.11 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Proton Power
Originally by: SentryRaven None of the ISK is within KIA, it was defaulted by a corp in KIA that subsequently used our relationship to EBANK to get the loan approved in the first place. Welp.
f the corp is in Kia then it's on kia.
It doesn't work like that.
Trust me it does
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Retarded Noob
Caldari The Nightwatch
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Posted - 2009.06.11 15:12:00 -
[356]
Originally by: Kaaii
Need a loan?
how about a bailout or tarp? maybe President Obama can take over. anyway it seems this is the "in-thing" right now. |
Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.11 15:13:00 -
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First!
also...... |
Mr Horizontal
Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.11 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Cordele
Originally by: Hexxx we asked if any of our guys knew of someone/something that we could loan to...
In all (as has been quoted previously) we made 130 billion in pure profit...
From our understanding, the alliance flourished as well, which was good for us...
EBANK has been and continues to be politically neutral.
How many other alliances that do not have senior members on your board have you given enough unsecured (and unrepaid) loans to to purchase several titans?
4 separate alliances from opposing factions. Who is confidential. |
Joss Sparq
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.11 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cordele
Originally by: Dzil While I'm not condoning RMT, are you saying it was a stupid idea to save his house/family, and give up EVE?
Let's be clear about this; he did this out of greed, plain and simple. The supposed circumstances that he's invoked as an excuse are just that, an excuse, and judging by the number of people who've been taken in by it it's a pretty effective one.
His life, or whatever he says about his life, is completely irrelevant. It would be pathetic of him to bring something like that up if it were true, but he knows that's the level any discussion of his motives has to be brought down to in order to salvage any respectability, and like most frauds, he craves respectability; that's what EBANK and every public project before it was ultimately about for him.
Is it just me, or are you actively trying to troll someone who isn't here to respond anymore?
You're outrageous darling.
Originally by: Cordele
Originally by: Mr Horizontal Given he's on my Facebook and I've seen the pictures of his house, 2 kids and wife, plus knowing Ricdic can't keep his trap shut even if he wanted to, yes it's believable.
He lied to me about his trustworthines for years and then stole the equivalent of thousands of dollars from my organisation, but he's on my Facebook and so must ultimately be a reliable individual whose every word I can believe!
I think I played Call of Duty 4 with Ricdic once (it was fun but I wouldn't say we're BFF's now) though I will say this about that game: you have to be right behind someone to put the knife in their back, you certainly can't do it from the other side of a bridge you've just burned.
- I still heart LVV. |
flakeys
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.11 15:39:00 -
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To those condoning it because of the reasoning:
While i understand , the question you have to ask yourself is do you also condone chinese farmers?They need the bit of rl cash they get for it just as bad as ric if he is telling the truth.
Do you condone macro's as long as they are from people who really can use the isk to sell for cash to pay off debts or to place food for their children on the table?
I am not saying wether or not what he did is justified or not , i am merely handing you a choice , because if you say ricdic's choice was the right one then think twice before you come on the forums complaining about bots/macro's.
We all make choices in our life.Some are harder then others.Some choices have come up because of our own misjudgement or short insight and others just come falling out of the sky on top of us.However we have to live with how others judge our choices when we know we have crossed a line.This is where ricdic fails for me , he let's someone post a statement in wich he tries to justify his actions.Allthough he states several times he is the one to blaim he can't refrain from pointing fingers.You have made this choice ricdic so just take the downfall for it.
Does it even matter any more what the circomstances are ricdic?You choosen for your family , good on you , but why even then try to post a justification of what you did.Close these forums and leave eve behind you.Choice is made , now live with it.
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