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highonpop
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:53:00 -
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Did ridic hack the game at all to make this happen?
i dont understand why he would get banned if he didnt hack the game. people scam other people all day in this game. the mechanics allow for it. _____________________ **warp drive acti...wait, where are we going again?** Eve Online Guide ;] |
Mazzarins Demise
Profit Development and Research Association
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: highonpop Did ridic hack the game at all to make this happen?
i dont understand why he would get banned if he didnt hack the game. people scam other people all day in this game. the mechanics allow for it.
Trading in-game ISK for real-life money is a bannable offense. Something he has admitted to and to which Hexx confirms.
What a terrible situation, and a poor example to set for your children to boot.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:56:00 -
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i think something good should come out of this..
reserving 10B of EBANK IPO Stocks pending succesful audit, and a hail mary from hexxx.!
Quote:
"Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed" |
Squat Hardpeck
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:57:00 -
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I'm going to agree, auditing EBANK would be a good idea, even if it takes a couple days.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:57:00 -
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Hey Ray, can you come online anc chat with me again please? I'm on Vid's alt. Sometimes people get disappointed. |
Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2009.06.10 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Hey Ray, can you come online anc chat with me again please? I'm on Vid's alt.
Only if you reveal the super-secret-handshake to me.
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highonpop
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mazzarins Demise
Originally by: highonpop Did ridic hack the game at all to make this happen?
i dont understand why he would get banned if he didnt hack the game. people scam other people all day in this game. the mechanics allow for it.
Trading in-game ISK for real-life money is a bannable offense. Something he has admitted to and to which Hexx confirms.
What a terrible situation, and a poor example to set for your children to boot.
oh ok. i missed that part. i thought he was just laundering some ISK off the top for his character. _____________________ **warp drive acti...wait, where are we going again?** Eve Online Guide ;] |
Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama i think something good should come out of this..
reserving 10B of EBANK IPO Stocks pending succesful audit, and a hail mary from hexxx.!
You can quote me on this; an EBANK IPO (while it would probably instantly solve many of our problems) is the very last thing on my list of options. The second EBANK issues an IPO, we are no longer a private entity and we are then bound to operate and function as a public entity.
Stock buy-backs would also be very expensive.
As usual, that's just my opinion. The Board would have to authorize an IPO and of course, I have only one vote.
EBANK - Chairman of the Board | www.eve-bank.net
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hexxx
Originally by: Ji Sama i think something good should come out of this..
reserving 10B of EBANK IPO Stocks pending succesful audit, and a hail mary from hexxx.!
You can quote me on this; an EBANK IPO (while it would probably instantly solve many of our problems) is the very last thing on my list of options. The second EBANK issues an IPO, we are no longer a private entity and we are then bound to operate and function as a public entity.
Stock buy-backs would also be very expensive.
As usual, that's just my opinion. The Board would have to authorize an IPO and of course, I have only one vote.
Hexx it got lost in the Tidal Wave, but are you going to bring on board someone to verify against the claimants API records for lost isk transferred to banned toon
I have yet to see what action if any is being taken, and honestly some of your customers loose those records pretty quickly as we turn over our transaction logs fast. |
SexTrader
Amarr Sex Trade
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:18:00 -
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The way I see it is Whats happened has happened the thing to do now is just sort it out the best you can which i believe EBANK members are doing a good job of so far, most will just say fck it are time is up and liquidate and keep the isk. so gj keep up the good work |
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Mazare Mircea
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: SexTrader The way I see it is Whats happened has happened the thing to do now is just sort it out the best you can which i believe EBANK members are doing a good job of so far, most will just say fck it are time is up and liquidate and keep the isk. so gj keep up the good work
Part of that is also admitting responsability, not accusing Ricdic's ban on PP's whistle-blowing. ----- Do androids dream of electric sheep ?
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mazare Mircea
Originally by: SexTrader The way I see it is Whats happened has happened the thing to do now is just sort it out the best you can which i believe EBANK members are doing a good job of so far, most will just say fck it are time is up and liquidate and keep the isk. so gj keep up the good work
Part of that is also admitting responsability, not accusing Ricdic's ban on PP's whistle-blowing.
I can't really discuss this in detail - I hope the reasons why are obvious. I can say this however; PP's whistle-blowing has absolutely nothing to do with Ricdic's ban.
EBANK - Chairman of the Board | www.eve-bank.net
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NatOsirisRa
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:33:00 -
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so,rid**** was going to transfer char? but then ccp banned him? hmm....so ccp is to blame....
ok ccp,i know where you live,and you cant hide in POLARIS sys forever!
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Retarded Noob
Caldari The Nightwatch
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:37:00 -
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why do I feel that at any given moment Cary Grant acting like George bailey is going to stroll on in here to the post and explain where every bodies money is. It's a wonderful life.
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Mazare Mircea
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 10/06/2009 20:45:50 Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 10/06/2009 20:44:41
Originally by: Hexxx
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
Originally by: SexTrader The way I see it is Whats happened has happened the thing to do now is just sort it out the best you can which i believe EBANK members are doing a good job of so far, most will just say fck it are time is up and liquidate and keep the isk. so gj keep up the good work
Part of that is also admitting responsability, not accusing Ricdic's ban on PP's whistle-blowing.
I can't really discuss this in detail - I hope the reasons why are obvious. I can say this however; PP's whistle-blowing has absolutely nothing to do with Ricdic's ban.
Then you better tell your guys to be more carefull what they say ... linky, because that's how it comes off as. :)
You see, this goes hand in hand with what i was saying earlier, your PR sucks. Your guys do not post with their EBANK characters, you can't tell who is representing EBANK or not, and yet they are using 'we' which in the mind of simple ppl like myself, means that he speaks for the entire EBANK, even though they contradict each other quite often. For me, it looks really like the left hand doesn't know what the right hand does. But i guess that's not too much of a problem as one of your guys hinted, you have very few customers coming from MD forums and your repp here doesn't matter to you ... ----- Do androids dream of electric sheep ?
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Sophia Truthspeaker
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mme Pinkerton Hexxx, your last sentence seems to imply that EBANK has been informed about Ricdic's RMT before CCP. I am not aware of any grace period given by CCP to people suspected of RMT (however, I cannot claim to have any first-hand experience of the way CCp treats breaches of EULA ). Would you please clarify your statement?
If EBANK would have been informed of the RMT before CCP and have still conducted business with him (character transfer), this might - obviously - be of great interest to current investors.
This is my view of the matter, which can be as accurate as it can be false as I am not affiliated with Ebank except having a small amount of isk deposited there.
I'd guess the transfer was discussed and started before the RMT happened. Perhaps loosing control of Ebank also hastened or at least strenthend the motivation for the theft.
As such Ebank wouldn't have any prior notice of RMT. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:50:00 -
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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 10/06/2009 20:53:19
Originally by: Sophia Truthspeaker
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton Hexxx, your last sentence seems to imply that EBANK has been informed about Ricdic's RMT before CCP. I am not aware of any grace period given by CCP to people suspected of RMT (however, I cannot claim to have any first-hand experience of the way CCp treats breaches of EULA ). Would you please clarify your statement?
If EBANK would have been informed of the RMT before CCP and have still conducted business with him (character transfer), this might - obviously - be of great interest to current investors.
This is my view of the matter, which can be as accurate as it can be false as I am not affiliated with Ebank except having a small amount of isk deposited there.
I'd guess the transfer was discussed and started before the RMT happened. Perhaps loosing control of Ebank also hastened or at least strenthend the motivation for the theft.
As such Ebank wouldn't have any prior notice of RMT.
Yes. We had plans to move EBANK Ricdic over to an account under my control, before this incident occurred.
However, as we found some anomalies on Ricdic's API, we contacted him and he admitted to having sold the ISK he took out. At that point, only an alt account of Ricdic was banned, supposedly.
At that point, we of course took the required course of action which was needed, to not have CCP go on a rampage and not ban everybody involved with EBANK.
The result was that his the EBANK Ricdic account seemingly was banned the same day we came to be aware of it, just 12 hours later.
Edit: Hit send a bit too early. |
flakeys
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hexxx
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste I quit before my audit was complete due to frustration at a lack of records and data...
This to me is a real problem that needs to be address by EBANK.
That's part of the reason we're taking advantage of what's happening right now to shrink. As EBANK got massive we got complex. Trying to track everything is very hard to do and while we're confident about the Bank's health, it takes alot of time and effort to pull together a NAV.
Not impossible, just very time consuming.
This is what should be done in my view.Review the role Ebank is playing on the larger part.Shrink back to something more controlable and maybe even enjoyable for the staff.
Maybe Ebank can come out of this smaller in isk they handle but bigger in both security as functionality of the bank itself.Not just for clients but also for the staff themselves.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys
This is what should be done in my view.Review the role Ebank is playing on the larger part.Shrink back to something more controlable and maybe even enjoyable for the staff.
Maybe Ebank can come out of this smaller in isk they handle but bigger in both security as functionality of the bank itself.Not just for clients but also for the staff themselves.
I agree.
In my humble opinion, we need to grow to a size where we are in a position, that nobody but the deposit character, is going to have access to more than say.. 50bill.
At this point, we need to scale down EBANK to accomplish that. |
Emywn Vanya
Caldari Redemption or Retribution Exxxotic
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Posted - 2009.06.10 21:12:00 -
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Good luck trying to scale back that much ----------------------- The answer is 42 |
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Proton Power
Amarr Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Hexxx
Originally by: Mazare Mircea
Originally by: SexTrader The way I see it is Whats happened has happened the thing to do now is just sort it out the best you can which i believe EBANK members are doing a good job of so far, most will just say fck it are time is up and liquidate and keep the isk. so gj keep up the good work
Part of that is also admitting responsability, not accusing Ricdic's ban on PP's whistle-blowing.
I can't really discuss this in detail - I hope the reasons why are obvious. I can say this however; PP's whistle-blowing has absolutely nothing to do with Ricdic's ban.
Thanks. You may want to look at sentry's post though saying the exact opposite. I want to make it clear that his account was banned prior to me making this post, and it was a pretty well certain ebank was not getting the character. Take it for what its worth.
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Krathos Morpheus
Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.06.10 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Selene D'Celeste
Originally by: Ray McCormack
You cannot deny that an official post in here when it happened would have gone a long way to avoid the ****storm that has happened. I think that is the big issue.
I agree. Immediate reaction has not been a common trait with EBANK, which is related to the participation issues I mentioned in my wall of text. Hexxx always does amaze me with his ability to post right when he's needed with the right thing to say though.
Wall of text. VL;IR (very long, interesting reading) That's the response I expected to be in the OP. This is the way this things must be handled. Thank you for this and your other posts, It's a pity that you are not at EBANK team anymore.
EVE Knowledge
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SentryRaven
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.10 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power
Thanks. You may want to look at sentry's post though saying the exact opposite. I want to make it clear that his account was banned prior to me making this post, and it was a pretty well certain ebank was not getting the character. Take it for what its worth.
I might have worded it a bit awkward indeed. There is no connection between your post and the ban on the EBANK Ricdic account. --------
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Kaaii
Caldari KaaiiNet Holding Executor Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.10 21:58:00 -
[264]
Need a loan?
According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
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Arrador
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Posted - 2009.06.10 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: ******ed Noob why do I feel that at any given moment Cary Grant acting like George bailey is going to stroll on in here to the post and explain where every bodies money is. It's a wonderful life.
Good question... seeing as Cary Grant wasn't in Its a Wonderful Life
Perhaps you are looking for James Stewart |
James Tundra
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.10 22:29:00 -
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I'd be willing to offer EBank a loan to help it through its troubled times, but the Tundra Investment Fund doesn't offer unsecured loans. |
Mystafyre
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.10 22:33:00 -
[267]
Release API keys so we can see that how much ISK there is left... |
BarryGibb
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Posted - 2009.06.10 22:40:00 -
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Seriously?? I read this stuff and think....so Ricdic scammed, well what did you expect from the person you made the main and only deposit person for your "bank." That's like if Wells Fargo had only one teller. All is well until said person realizes more potential by venturing down another avenue. Forgive me for the rash train of thought, but people try to sustain that this game assimilates real life. As close as this mmo may be to real life, the checks and balances just aren't there. Ricdic is no Bernie Madoff, he's not that smart. He just took what he had available to him and that was it.
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Market Voodoo
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.06.10 22:48:00 -
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I can haz friends in KIA and get 275bn unsecured loan too?
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The ChurchWarden
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Posted - 2009.06.10 22:49:00 -
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To the claim checks and balances aren't there you answered that in your post. He took what he could and ran. Well it looks like what he actually took was 200b which is less then 20% of Ebanks total deposits. The defaulted loan should not be factored into his scam it wasn't part of it. It was a business as usual default. A large one to be sure but it is obvious that Ebank is still taking steps to have the loan transfered to the corporation who left KIA.
On the flip side to show support to Ebank I am willing to offer 5bn [a pittance] upfront no loan just liquid isk. Why? Because Ebank is still the corner stone of the secondary market and the fact I or anyone would still have faith in Ebank shows it's staying power.
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