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Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:27:00 - [211] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Selene D'Celeste As for the "ISK to EBANK Ricdic thing, oh god the children" thing you seem to be clinging to in both threads now, the reason I noticed something was going on was because notices were pasted all over the place. EBANK website, multiple in-game channels, etc. It's also been established that very few people regularly read the forums, so is a forum crusade really going to save those people who don't have the foresight to double check before they send? Doubtful. You cannot deny that an official post in here when it happened would have gone a long way to avoid the ****storm that has happened. I think that is the big issue. Possibly, but considering Sel knew what was going on is my guess (This is a guess not fact) it puts him in a bad situation since he resigned and didnt mention that isk is being scammed. But I am the one that should appologize.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:27:00 - [212] This only came to pass because Shar was kicked out of Ebank a long time ago during an argument with Ricdic. Unless Shar returns to Ebank (and you'd better beg him on your knees) I don't see Ebank recovering its previous status any time soon. Black Sun Empire
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:27:00 - [213] Originally by: LeGlt Don't get me wrong, for all intents and purposes he could have taken the ISK and sold it on for cash, but untill CCP says otherwise or the big man himself gets his chance to speak, I'll take everything I hear with a pinch of salt. It's been confirmed in the original post that he did engage in RMT. There is no doubt about that, there is no need for benefit of that doubt. It's undoubted. Doubt. Funny word. WTS Tech II Component BPO Sets \| Auction Prowler
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:29:00 - [214] well i think if PP wanted to shed some light on the truth he should have presented it in another way. Quote: "Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed"
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:31:00 - [215] Originally by: Ray McCormack You cannot deny that an official post in here when it happened would have gone a long way to avoid the ****storm that has happened. I think that is the big issue. I agree. Immediate reaction has not been a common trait with EBANK, which is related to the participation issues I mentioned in my wall of text. Hexxx always does amaze me with his ability to post right when he's needed with the right thing to say though.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:32:00 - [216] Originally by: Ji Sama well i think if PP wanted to shed some light on the truth he should have presented it in another way. I won't disagree with this, but again if EBANK posted it in the first place we wouldnt be discussing this.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:32:00 - [217] Originally by: LeGlt I don't believe Hexx is the type to lie but I also don't believe Ricdic is the type to steal either, although perhaps desperate times called for desperate measures. Personally, I'd like to give Ricdic the benefit of the doubt. At the end of the day, the only thing we really have are allegations based on speculation. Ricdic may very well have been banned, but that doesn't automatically mean he was banned for Real Money Trading. As far as I am aware, going off the Tleilex Developments member's tab Ricdics hasn't been online since last week and Ricdic hasn't been online since last month. As for EBANK Ricdic, I have no idea as it's not the same corporation. Now it's fair to say if by a miracle Hexx was banned holding on to 200Bn, people would easily accuse Hexx of doing the same thing whether it was right or wrong. Ricdic hasn't been online in game much as of late and he has some real life issues that are taking precedent which makes it harder to contact him out of game too. Just because he is banned and is hard to reach, does not automatically make him a thief. People have the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty and I have yet to see any real proof whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, for all intents and purposes he could have taken the ISK and sold it on for cash, but untill CCP says otherwise or the big man himself gets his chance to speak, I'll take everything I hear with a pinch of salt. EBANK staff and directors have all posted personal information and contact information in one of the restricted areas of the EBANK forums. One of our people called Ricdic on the phone and asked him if the RMT was true. He said yes. He then got on instant messenger and confirmed it there as well. Until CCP banned EBANK Ricdic, he was cooperating with us in transferring that character to one of our accounts. I wish we were wrong, I really do. Ricdic was a friend to many of us. EBANK - Chairman of the Board \| www.eve-bank.net
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:33:00 - [218] Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: LeGlt I don't believe Hexx is the type to lie but I also don't believe Ricdic is the type to steal either, although perhaps desperate times called for desperate measures. Personally, I'd like to give Ricdic the benefit of the doubt. At the end of the day, the only thing we really have are allegations based on speculation. Ricdic may very well have been banned, but that doesn't automatically mean he was banned for Real Money Trading. As far as I am aware, going off the Tleilex Developments member's tab Ricdics hasn't been online since last week and Ricdic hasn't been online since last month. As for EBANK Ricdic, I have no idea as it's not the same corporation. Now it's fair to say if by a miracle Hexx was banned holding on to 200Bn, people would easily accuse Hexx of doing the same thing whether it was right or wrong. Ricdic hasn't been online in game much as of late and he has some real life issues that are taking precedent which makes it harder to contact him out of game too. Just because he is banned and is hard to reach, does not automatically make him a thief. People have the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty and I have yet to see any real proof whatsoever. Don't get me wrong, for all intents and purposes he could have taken the ISK and sold it on for cash, but untill CCP says otherwise or the big man himself gets his chance to speak, I'll take everything I hear with a pinch of salt. EBANK staff and directors have all posted personal information and contact information in one of the restricted areas of the EBANK forums. One of our people called Ricdic on the phone and asked him if the RMT was true. He said yes. He then got on instant messenger and confirmed it there as well. Until CCP banned EBANK Ricdic, he was cooperating with us in transferring that character to one of our accounts. I wish we were wrong, I really do. Ricdic was a friend to many of us. Why is it the guy that seems to know the least, (the loan, thinking ric is innocent, no proof he scammed) is doing most your damage control? That is like having me do damage control, not a good thing
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:35:00 - [219] Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: Ji Sama well i think if PP wanted to shed some light on the truth he should have presented it in another way. I won't disagree with this, but again if EBANK posted it in the first place we wouldnt be discussing this. well im glad you brought this information about, im sure the details wouldnt have come forward had you not blown the whistle, im just questioning your motives, they do seem influenced imo... i have more trust in ebank now that ricdic is gone, and i just dont think it helps, banting over and over about something thats DONE! Quote: "Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed"
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:36:00 - [220] Originally by: Proton Power Possibly, but considering Sel knew what was going on is my guess (This is a guess not fact) it puts him in a bad situation since he resigned and didnt mention that isk is being scammed. But I am the one that should appologize. I learned about this about the same time everyone else did, yesterday, after being contacted by ISD for an interview about EBANK and noticing the text on the main page about making no deposits. As previously mentioned, I quit before my audit was complete due to frustration at a lack of records and data, and real-life obligations. My parting advice was to make a statement about the loan loss ASAP before someone like you decided to play hero. As for apologizing, I'm not the one who made a log list of attention-whoring posts at other people's expense.
CEO LeGIt	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:36:00 - [221] Edited by: CEO LeGIt on 10/06/2009 19:36:41
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:36:00 - [222] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Ray McCormack You cannot deny that an official post in here when it happened would have gone a long way to avoid the **storm that has happened. I think that is the big issue. I agree. Immediate reaction has not been a common trait with EBANK, which is related to the participation issues I mentioned in my wall of text. Hexxx always does amaze me with his ability to post right when he's needed with the right thing to say though. it wasnt a wall of text..... it was a nice read, what i expected happened. but good thing you wrote it, i would perhaps link to this in the OP! Quote: "Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ****ed"
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:38:00 - [223] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Proton Power Possibly, but considering Sel knew what was going on is my guess (This is a guess not fact) it puts him in a bad situation since he resigned and didnt mention that isk is being scammed. But I am the one that should appologize. I learned about this about the same time everyone else did, yesterday, after being contacted by ISD for an interview about EBANK and noticing the text on the main page about making no deposits. As previously mentioned, I quit before my audit was complete due to frustration at a lack of records and data, and real-life obligations. My parting advice was to make a statement about the loan loss ASAP before someone like you decided to play hero. As for apologizing, I'm not the one who made a log list of attention-whoring posts at other people's expense. Name the people? EBANK, well they didnt do what they shoudl have and let the MD community know, so no I will not appologize for that. You need to understand I asked them to post it, they didnt beleive I knew anything so they said no, I then explained what I knew (which was what happend) and they got real hush hush and still would not post a post to let people know not to deposit isk. Now granted I could have went other ways around this, but that is somthing I will deal with.
Retarded Noob Caldari The Nightwatch	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:39:00 - [224] I'm wondering if Iona and Ricdic was the same people? since she just got up one day and disappeared with out a trace and several million isk. just wondering.
EnslaverOfMinmatar Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:39:00 - [225] I'm wondering who will be EBANK's scammer #2? uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
Tobin Shalim Warped Mining Strip Mining Club	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:40:00 - [226] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste the reason I noticed something was going on was because notices were pasted all over the place. EBANK website, multiple in-game channels, etc. It's also been established that very few people regularly read the forums, so is a forum crusade really going to save those people who don't have the foresight to double check before they send? Doubtful. It was posted everywhere BUT the forums, a good central source of information. Which is where I first heard about this happening from PP. NOT Ebank. ----- Originally by: Gierling Tech III is going to be "Fully modular" until someone crams the "EW Bonus" modules together with the "8 Midslots" modules...
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:40:00 - [227] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Block Ukx Originally by: Sophia Truthspeaker I wonder how long back this started, as CCP isn't always the fastest with banning of RMT trader. I'm guessing a few months after the Bank started. I'm pretty sure that he would have been caught earlier, if that was the case. Maybe he wasn't RMT before, just redistributing wealth, but with no records he could scam little by little all he wanted (not saying that he did, but thanks to your lack of records as it seems by Selene's comentaries there is no way to check). I recommend implementing records, both public and private to improve transparency and confidence. Curiously I was thinking this days that the bank was safe investment as long as it kept growing, because if a scam was to happen it would happen when it reaches it's maximun. EVE Knowledge
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:40:00 - [228] Originally by: ******ed Noob I'm wondering if Iona and Ricdic was the same people? since she just got up one day and disappeared with out a trace and several million isk. just wondering. Ionia was definitely a different person.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:40:00 - [229] Originally by: ******ed Noob I'm wondering if Iona and Ricdic was the same people? since she just got up one day and disappeared with out a trace and several million isk. just wondering. Nah, Ionia was a nice guy. WTS Tech II Component BPO Sets \| Auction Prowler
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:41:00 - [230] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste I quit before my audit was complete due to frustration at a lack of records and data... This to me is a real problem that needs to be address by EBANK. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:44:00 - [231] Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 10/06/2009 19:44:24 Quote: Maybe he wasn't RMT before, just redistributing wealth, but with no records he could scam little by little all he wanted (not saying that he did, but thanks to your lack of records as it seems by Selene's comentaries there is no way to check). I recommend implementing records, both public and private to improve transparency and confidence. Curiously I was thinking this days that the bank was safe investment as long as it kept growing, because if a scam was to happen it would happen when it reaches it's maximun. [/justify] Just to be clear on record-keeping, the kind of records that were most elusive were lists of specific non-liquid assets. Ricdic was terrible with this -- matching loan collateral with loans had to be done by using the corp contract history as there was no written record to keep track of it all. There are, of course, limitations on using the API to verify various assets, so the optimal scenario probably isn't possible with current mechanics. Still, record keeping could have been much better.
Retarded Noob Caldari The Nightwatch	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:44:00 - [232] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: ******ed Noob I'm wondering if Iona and Ricdic was the same people? since she just got up one day and disappeared with out a trace and several million isk. just wondering. Nah, Ionia was a nice guy. lol you got your money back huh? :))
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:44:00 - [233] Originally by: Block Ukx Originally by: Selene D'Celeste I quit before my audit was complete due to frustration at a lack of records and data... This to me is a real problem that needs to be address by EBANK. Without wanting to sound like the I told you so man, I did post about this over a year ago and was passed off as a troll. I again tried a few months back and had minimal success. And before it's mentioned I shouldn't need to use tact, this is business for hobbit's sake. WTS Tech II Component BPO Sets \| Auction Prowler
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:45:00 - [234] Originally by: Block Ukx Originally by: Selene D'Celeste I quit before my audit was complete due to frustration at a lack of records and data... This to me is a real problem that needs to be address by EBANK. That's part of the reason we're taking advantage of what's happening right now to shrink. As EBANK got massive we got complex. Trying to track everything is very hard to do and while we're confident about the Bank's health, it takes alot of time and effort to pull together a NAV. Not impossible, just very time consuming. EBANK - Chairman of the Board \| www.eve-bank.net
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:46:00 - [235] I will defend Sel here some, and EBANK. Auditing EBANK would not be fun. Isk is spread out for good reason as it has proven in the past few days, but with this each person is doing there own thing making isk, investing isk, deposits, withdrawls, loans, collateral, payments, and the list goes on and on. I don't see how anyone could effectivly audit EBANK without spending a full days work on it 3 days a week.
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:48:00 - [236] Originally by: Proton Power I will defend Sel here some, and EBANK. Auditing EBANK would not be fun. Isk is spread out for good reason as it has proven in the past few days, but with this each person is doing there own thing making isk, investing isk, deposits, withdrawls, loans, collateral, payments, and the list goes on and on. I don't see how anyone could effectivly audit EBANK without spending a full days work on it 3 days a week. Proper automated audits via code are possible, but they take a lot of dev time. As we already know, lots of EBANK features have been in dev for 1+ years, so it wasn't exactly an option that could be pursued. Much to my annoyance.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:48:00 - [237] Originally by: Hexxx Not impossible, just very time consuming. Hexxx, I completely disagree with this statement. You're tracking ISK, and some assets. I pull together a NAV for AATP in the same time it takes to update all the API feeds. It is possibly the easiest thing to do, you should not be wasting time with it. Your time should be spent on procedures and growing and expanding the business into new uncharted areas. WTS Tech II Component BPO Sets \| Auction Prowler
Mme Pinkerton Caldari	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:49:00 - [238] Originally by: Hexxx EBANK staff and directors have all posted personal information and contact information in one of the restricted areas of the EBANK forums. One of our people called Ricdic on the phone and asked him if the RMT was true. He said yes. He then got on instant messenger and confirmed it there as well. Until CCP banned EBANK Ricdic, he was cooperating with us in transferring that character to one of our accounts. Hexxx, your last sentence seems to imply that EBANK has been informed about Ricdic's RMT before CCP. I am not aware of any grace period given by CCP to people suspected of RMT (however, I cannot claim to have any first-hand experience of the way CCp treats breaches of EULA ). Would you please clarify your statement? If EBANK would have been informed of the RMT before CCP and have still conducted business with him (character transfer), this might - obviously - be of great interest to current investors. " Credit is the economic judgement on the morality of a man. "
Block Ukx Forge Laboratories	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:51:00 - [239] Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: Block Ukx Originally by: Selene D'Celeste I quit before my audit was complete due to frustration at a lack of records and data... This to me is a real problem that needs to be address by EBANK. That's part of the reason we're taking advantage of what's happening right now to shrink. As EBANK got massive we got complex. Trying to track everything is very hard to do and while we're confident about the Bank's health, it takes alot of time and effort to pull together a NAV. Not impossible, just very time consuming. Hexxx, I hate to be harsh on you, but if you canÆt audit EBANK, then you should consider freezing/closing it until you do. Take a week or two if necessary. BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 19:52:00 - [240] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Originally by: Proton Power I will defend Sel here some, and EBANK. Auditing EBANK would not be fun. Isk is spread out for good reason as it has proven in the past few days, but with this each person is doing there own thing making isk, investing isk, deposits, withdrawls, loans, collateral, payments, and the list goes on and on. I don't see how anyone could effectivly audit EBANK without spending a full days work on it 3 days a week. Proper automated audits via code are possible, but they take a lot of dev time. As we already know, lots of EBANK features have been in dev for 1+ years, so it wasn't exactly an option that could be pursued. Much to my annoyance. No argument here.

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