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Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:11:00 - [91] Originally by: SentryRaven Originally by: Proton Power Now kia is going to make me a target per MSN conversations, oh no, you going to take more of our space we don't own atm? Actually no, no need for that. But you could have used that MSN conversation to get your facts straight. None of the ISK is within KIA, it was defaulted by a corp in KIA that subsequently used our relationship to EBANK to get the loan approved in the first place. Welp. ROFL. I have been asking you guys to post the facts for 12hrs now. If the corp is in Kia then it's on kia. But again I did mention that I don't think you guys had complete control of the situation as I knew it.
SentryRaven KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:14:00 - [92] Originally by: Proton Power ROFL. I have been asking you guys to post the facts for 12hrs now. If the corp is in Kia then it's on kia. But again I did mention that I don't think you guys had complete control of the situation as I knew it. Actually that's the problem. They defaulted and left KIA afterwards.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:17:00 - [93] Originally by: SentryRaven Originally by: Proton Power ROFL. I have been asking you guys to post the facts for 12hrs now. If the corp is in Kia then it's on kia. But again I did mention that I don't think you guys had complete control of the situation as I knew it. Actually that's the problem. They defaulted and left KIA afterwards. Seems you are talking sensable atm, so will ask you this then, why has it taken 2mths to research this, seems obvious to me with the titan issue, the fact they left kia and not paid anything on the loan (and I think told you they were not going to) that it was going to default?
Zimsai Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:21:00 - [94] what i dont understand: 1. i guess there are loans now and then, that are nerver getting paid back to ebank. this is something normal and a bank is calculation with that. of course a 275b loan is a big fish, but tbh why should have ebank tell everyone about it? they could handle it on their own, they lost profit, but no customer lost any money. they didnt tell it to prevent panic, and i can understand this decision. 2. noone has actually lost any money. if people want to withdraw their money from ebank, they can. ebanks profit took a big hit, but from what i can see, every customer will get his money back if he wants. the reason, why you only get 3% interest is, because ebank has to make enough profit for a "worst case scenario" which just happened... and it looks like they can handle it, so why should any of the customers lose any trust into this bank? they just showed that they can handle the absolutely worst case scenario. and no, i am not working for ebank, i am just a normal customer.
SentryRaven KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:21:00 - [95] Originally by: Proton Power Seems you are talking sensable atm, so will ask you this then, why has it taken 2mths to research this, seems obvious to me with the titan issue, the fact they left kia and not paid anything on the loan (and I think told you they were not going to) that it was going to default? The thing was, it defaulted and we were able to absorb the default. If we actually reported and made a thread on every default that we can absorb, there forums would be littered with posts and threads, which would just make people sick of it. It was something that we could absorb and handle internally. Now the loss of 200B by Ricdic's misconduct is something entirely different as we have information that we cannot reveal (EULA/TOS stuff) and that we need to work on how to present them. Transparency is a fine thing, but we can't make stuff as transparent as people would want, without hurting ourselves, legally or financially.
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:21:00 - [96] if ebank ricdic is banned then cash deposited to that account will get refunded by ccp ?
Jas Dor Minmatar	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:22:00 - [97] Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: Jas Dor Proton Power I have two questions for you: 1. Is your main still in a GBC affiliated corp? Yes, BoB(Kenny) 2. BoB(Kenny) is in the middle of a major push to retake space in 0.0 right now. Are you attempting to create a run on EBANK for reasons of 0.0 politics? LOL, I am not the one that scammed, I am the one that brought it to light, I am not the one that scammed a 250bil isk Loan, why are you bringing politics into this, maybe somthing scares you about the info I know? No you aren't the one that scammed. I do however remember the lesson of ISS, 0.0 taints everything it touches. Political risk exists in this game. You bringing up the loss is one thing, going after EBANK for blood, in the middle of a major push by a 0.0 power which you have a known affiliation with, is another. Now that Seleen is working for CCP the EBANK board seems tilted to one side of the 0.0 political spectrum. Your main is active in 0.0, unless you can show me a profit motive for egging on a run on EBANK I must consider the possibility of a political motive. Nothing in this game is free of political risk, and in investing it turns up in odd places. Or bottom line for me, 0.0 taints everything it touches. Show me some reason for your continued posting that is not political.
Kalrand	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:23:00 - [98] Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: SentryRaven None of the ISK is within KIA, it was defaulted by a corp in KIA that subsequently used our relationship to EBANK to get the loan approved in the first place. Welp. f the corp is in Kia then it's on kia. It doesn't work like that.
Jackie Fisher Syrkos Technologies	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:23:00 - [99] Originally by: Heroldyn Is it possible for ebank to give information about the current withdrawel-que as to an estimate of how long ebank customers can currently expect to wait for their withdrawels to be processed ? Just had mine processed (thanks Athre) - took about 7 hours so well within the TOS at the moment.
The ChurchWarden	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:24:00 - [100] Proton Power I have a few questions for you. Why if you had this information did you not release it in one lump statement for Ebank to then respond to? Why have you continiously hinted at you're 'known information' multiple times before simply revealing it? I would say it is obvious that now that this is all in the spotlight that Ebank is dealing with it in their own manner and any promptings from you are being ignored or are irrelevant. That being said if you have any more information can you simply release it in your next post instead of adding more nonsense to the thread?
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:26:00 - [101] Can someone please change my ebank password? Also, are you accepting applications for the position of prime dictator for life?
Leowen Industrial Giants	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:26:00 - [102] Originally by: Zimsai , why you only get 3% interest is, because ebank has to make enough profit for a "worst case scenario" which just happened... and it looks like they can handle it, so why should any of the customers lose any trust into this bank? they just showed that they can handle the absolutely worst case scenario. No they didn't and that's the point. This isn't the worst case scenario, not by a long shot. With more planning and preparation, and a bit of collusion, I'm sure this issue could have run into trillions rather than billions. This is not a massive event, but it should be seen as a reminder that no investment is 100% safe.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:27:00 - [103] Originally by: The ChurchWarden Proton Power I have a few questions for you. Why if you had this information did you not release it in one lump statement for Ebank to then respond to? Why have you continiously hinted at you're 'known information' multiple times before simply revealing it? I would say it is obvious that now that this is all in the spotlight that Ebank is dealing with it in their own manner and any promptings from you are being ignored or are irrelevant. That being said if you have any more information can you simply release it in your next post instead of adding more nonsense to the thread? I have given them many oppertunities via these forums and MSN, i have 4 of them on MSN trying to get them to come upfront with the facts instead of my posting what I believe the facts are. It just happens that on the Ric issue i was dead on, and in the loan issue I was pretty dang close just didnt have the exact figure. Again you would not even have this thread if it was not for my thread.
Treelox Amarr Seppuku Warriors	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:29:00 - [104] Originally by: Jas Dor Now that Seleen is working for CCP You sure you got the right "seleen"?
azalea anastasia	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:32:00 - [105] So Dbank , balls in your court
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:32:00 - [106] Hexx, some suggestions. Action a few people to assist in the following (sooner than later) 1. A person to handle all claims for deposits in that 36 hours period, these transfers can be easily found via the API key but you need to action fast as some customers will have the 1k transaction log turn over soon here. 2. Get the audit by Selene done sooner than later, action more than one person to handle the various aspects of the Bank. One person to track and handle all non liquid assets, another to track transaction logs and transfers, etc...
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:32:00 - [107] Alright - I have gotten everythign into the open that I feel should be in the open. Yes there is always more but the rest can stay behind locked doors its better for everyone involved this way. Some have said I am trying to create problems for the bank and that statement is false, I honestly hope and am pretty sure they will pull through this fairly easy, but a lot of this is going to be based on what other actions CCP takes as of yet. I did the original thread so the public knew since people were depositing isk still and some claimed to be convo'd for isk. I did the questions becaue these are high value items to me that should be made public when they happen, not 2mths after the case. For those that said thanks, thank you for the support. For those that say why, we hate you, we are declaring war on you, I have no hard feelings, you have been hurt by all of this, and understand. Some of you forget me and ric got along and talked daily and many other things, I trusted him as well.
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:33:00 - [108] Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: SentryRaven None of the ISK is within KIA, it was defaulted by a corp in KIA that subsequently used our relationship to EBANK to get the loan approved in the first place. Welp. f the corp is in Kia then it's on kia. It doesn't work like that. It works like they get the loan because they were on KIA and it looks like KIA has special treatment within EBANK, so it is one of two things: KIA backed the loan or EBANK staff were incompetent and didn't checked KIA aproving the loan on their name.
The ChurchWarden	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:34:00 - [109] Edited by: The ChurchWarden on 10/06/2009 15:35:43 I'm sure quite a few people in the MD community have one or more Ebank members on their MSN. They're a very helpful group of people. I'm also sure that we would have had an official statement about all of this without you 'blowing the whistle' an then proceeding to string along people with unverified information. I'd really like to point out what you just said. You confirmed you were unclear on facts yourself and yet you're threatening to release information? So exactly what would you be releasing? Facts or Speculation. On a final note, maybe they were delaying the statement about Ricdic being banned to try and drum up some more liquid isk? As for the loan I'm not overly concerned about a loan that default if they can absorb the loss. - EDIT An apparently you had no further information to add on top of that. I look forward to more official statements from Ebank.
Saehta	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:35:00 - [110] Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: SentryRaven None of the ISK is within KIA, it was defaulted by a corp in KIA that subsequently used our relationship to EBANK to get the loan approved in the first place. Welp. f the corp is in Kia then it's on kia. It doesn't work like that. So they can invoke KIA's name with the bank for loans but when they default it doesn't bring down KIA's rep. Gotcha
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:35:00 - [111] Originally by: azalea anastasia So Dbank , balls in your court If this happens on DBank, the bank is no more. Dbank rests on one man only.
Zero Uptick	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:36:00 - [112] Originally by: SentryRaven Now the loss of 200B by Ricdic's misconduct is something entirely different as we have information that we cannot reveal (EULA/TOS stuff) and that we need to work on how to present them. Transparency is a fine thing, but we can't make stuff as transparent as people would want, without hurting ourselves, legally or financially. Sounds like you guys are all involved in shady stuff and I hope CCP is looking at it.
Proton Power Amarr Relentless Construction	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:36:00 - [113] Edited by: Proton Power on 10/06/2009 15:37:50 Originally by: The ChurchWarden I'm sure quite a few people in the MD community have one or more Ebank members on their MSN. They're a very helpful group of people. I'm also sure that we would have had an official statement about all of this without you 'blowing the whistle' an then proceeding to string along people with unverified information. I'd really like to point out what you just said. You confirmed you were unclear on facts yourself and yet you're threatening to release information? So exactly what would you be releasing? Facts or Speculation. On a final note, maybe they were delaying the statement about Ricdic being banned to try and drum up some more liquid isk? As for the loan I'm not overly concerned about a loan that default if they can absorb the loss. I am sure they do as well. I had facts from various sources, I would have rather it come from EBANK, since that is suppose to be the main source. Delaying the statment while people continue to send isk to him? You realize there is a very good chance nobody will get that isk back? I also watn to add pepole keep saying I have not posted the truth of facts. EBANK can correct anything i was wrong on, but it seems they have concured with most of it.
The ChurchWarden	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:39:00 - [114] Information from sources, so you had no evidence any of this information was actually factual. As you've already admitted. Yet you still tried to threaten Ebank into making statements. You even released false numbers?
SentryRaven KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:39:00 - [115] Originally by: Zero Uptick Originally by: SentryRaven Now the loss of 200B by Ricdic's misconduct is something entirely different as we have information that we cannot reveal (EULA/TOS stuff) and that we need to work on how to present them. Transparency is a fine thing, but we can't make stuff as transparent as people would want, without hurting ourselves, legally or financially. Sounds like you guys are all involved in shady stuff and I hope CCP is looking at it. Nice spin. But it just involves stuff that we are not allowed to talk about. You know, like posting GM conversations on the forums and stuff? -------- KIA Recruitment Director
Cordele Gemini Technologies	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:43:00 - [116] Originally by: Jas Dor Now that Seleen is working for CCP the EBANK board seems tilted to one side of the 0.0 political spectrum. I think you're thinking of the wrong Seleene. Seleene, the former leader of the Mercenary Coalition, which was once an ally of BoB, now works for CCP. As far as I know there is no connection between that Seleene and Selene D'Celeste, who has just resigned from EBANK.
azalea anastasia	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:45:00 - [117] Originally by: Krathos Morpheus Originally by: azalea anastasia So Dbank , balls in your court If this happens on DBank, the bank is no more. Dbank rests on one man only. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=978589 , as the world turns
Krathos Morpheus Gallente Legion Infernal Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:51:00 - [118] Edited by: Krathos Morpheus on 10/06/2009 15:55:01 Originally by: azalea anastasia Edited by: azalea anastasia on 10/06/2009 15:47:20 Originally by: Krathos Morpheus Originally by: azalea anastasia So Dbank , balls in your court If this happens on DBank, the bank is no more. Dbank rests on one man only. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=978589 , as the world turns What I meant is if Manalapan scammed. They have no limits like EBANK, afaik Manalapan has full access. EVE Knowledge
Nuzzy Futs Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2009.06.10 15:57:00 - [119] Originally by: Jas Dor Proton Power I have two questions for you: 1. Is your main still in a GBC affiliated corp? 2. BoB(Kenny) is in the middle of a major push to retake space in 0.0 right now. Are you attempting to create a run on EBANK for reasons of 0.0 politics? Interesting to after a person that was merely pointing the shoddy job of reporting a huge (probably fraudulent) non preforming loan 2 months ago. It was a poor business decision not to post when known publicly not to send any isk deposits to any teller not listed on their website and to change the tellers. So I guess My two questions to you are Why go after someone shining a light on some murky backroom activities that affect trillions of eve players funds? Do you really think a run on the bank is a bad thing for ebank since one of their profit generators has already been funded by past business?
Kalrand	Posted - 2009.06.10 16:06:00 - [120] Originally by: Krathos Morpheus Originally by: Kalrand Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: SentryRaven None of the ISK is within KIA, it was defaulted by a corp in KIA that subsequently used our relationship to EBANK to get the loan approved in the first place. Welp. f the corp is in Kia then it's on kia. It doesn't work like that. It works like they get the loan because they were on KIA and it looks like KIA has special treatment within EBANK, so it is one of two things: KIA backed the loan or EBANK staff were incompetent and didn't checked KIA aproving the loan on their name. I'm going to just assume the later choice, as I've never really heard of a 0.0 alliance "backing" a loan for a member corp. They'd loan the money directly from their coffers, or take out the loan themselves and run whatever project on an alliance level. Some random alt corp CEO saying "LOL of course im gunna pay u. im in KIA!" doesn't mean that KIA is going to back them.

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