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Kalrand
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Saehta
Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Proton Power
Originally by: SentryRaven None of the ISK is within KIA, it was defaulted by a corp in KIA that subsequently used our relationship to EBANK to get the loan approved in the first place. Welp.
f the corp is in Kia then it's on kia.
It doesn't work like that.
So they can invoke KIA's name with the bank for loans but when they default it doesn't bring down KIA's rep. Gotcha
If a KIA alliance director doesn't say "We're backing this loan" they they aren't backing that loan. It doesn't matter what some memeber corp's CEO says. That's why you check with backers.
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Eton Favre
Instagate Corp Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:13:00 -
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http://www.eve-bank.net needs some serious updates
EBANK Ricdic is still listed as staff FAQ pages lists EBANK Ricdic all over it
While the EBANK deposit warning mail this morning from LaViasta was nice the fact that everyone's email was disclosed to anyone on the list was a major error. someone tried to set up a fake deposit char within the hour.
The unsecured loan default - it happens Ricdic scamming .. again sad but it happens
taking your time to get basic info out to everyone is the major issue that I see.
Thanks Proton for getting the info out into the open so it can be discussed.
yeah EBANK should not have to be open about everything , but things this major should be brought out into the light of day. --
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:21:00 -
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Quote: EBANK Ricdic is still listed as staff
Fixed that
Quote: FAQ pages lists EBANK Ricdic all over it
The FAQ and TOS is something we have to revise, once we have a head-count internally of who is staying onboard and who is taking which roles.
Quote: While the EBANK deposit warning mail this morning from LaViasta was nice the fact that everyone's email was disclosed to anyone on the list was a major error.
My sincerest apologies for that. Frankly, the email was only send to a small fraction, before the error was realized.
Quote: someone tried to set up a fake deposit char within the hour.
The person has been dealt with, and the character no longer exists.
Quote: but things this major should be brought out into the light of day.
I agree. We were working very hard all last night, working on how to do it. We had outside factors which we had to consider first, before we could remotely discuss anything. |
Emywn Vanya
Caldari Redemption or Retribution Exxxotic
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:32:00 -
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Damn how fast do you want these people to work? I'm pretty sure they all still have RL and work to go to. The bank has checks in place to make sure they survive this, they'll cut the isk in the bank to a more manageable rate, and the system will have worked exactly how it was promoted to work. Everyone gets their isk back and life goes on. Happens in the real world to. only instead of being banned you go to jail.
and @ ricdic... dude you know you could have just asked for help with RL. Most of us know the position your in and your kids always come first. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Emywn Vanya
and @ ricdic... dude you know you could have just asked for help with RL. Most of us know the position your in and your kids always come first.
This
Had you just asked, its most likely you could have drummed up the same amount via donations alone.
...and not gotten banned for it either |
Tobin Shalim
Warped Mining Strip Mining Club
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:41:00 -
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Honest question for those in charge at EBANK: if we did a deposit to Ricdic that we can prove wasn't processed (our wallet vs what the website says was deposited) then will you still honor the deposit? No, I do not think this has happened to me (yet, I haven't checked) but I believe this will be a valid concern for people. |
Meer Shadow
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power
Again not a major deal on it's own, don't htink it was entirely Kia's fault either based on what I know, but shoud have been brought to the public's attention that they lost 250+ bil isk.
Why do you say that? Isn't it standard banking practice to maintain client confidentiality? Especially as the loss did not compromise Ebanks ability to operate? |
Esharan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:46:00 -
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So its good he got banned and everything, but since when does CCP ban people for this sort of action? How did that break the EULA? It was my understanding that this was just a "risk" of investing...... part of the game ya know?
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SentryRaven
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Esharan So its good he got banned and everything, but since when does CCP ban people for this sort of action? How did that break the EULA? It was my understanding that this was just a "risk" of investing...... part of the game ya know?
Real Money Trading is a bannable offense. |
Cordele
Gemini Technologies
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:49:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Esharan So its good he got banned and everything, but since when does CCP ban people for this sort of action? How did that break the EULA? It was my understanding that this was just a "risk" of investing...... part of the game ya know?
He was apparently selling the ISK for cash, which probably makes this worse than EIB. |
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:51:00 -
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I guess my primary concern here is the utter lack of tools CCP has really given us to handle a secondary market.
First Furybank.
Now EBANK.
Even with the most gold plated institutions, there's nothing you can really do to prevent a scam or recover from a scam. You can try to mitigate the damage (as EBANK has done, wisely) or just choose not to invest at all.
I suspect more and more people are going to choose the not invest option, which does bad things for our already suffering secondary market. |
Sophia Truthspeaker
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Esharan So its good he got banned and everything, but since when does CCP ban people for this sort of action? How did that break the EULA? It was my understanding that this was just a "risk" of investing...... part of the game ya know?
because there is also a rumor about him trading the stolen isk for real money. And participating in RMT is bannable.
If that rumor holds true, and I'll say it is a rumor until a GM verifies it (so basicly never, even if I don't have a doubt), I wonder how long back this started, as CCP isn't always the fastest with banning of RMT trader.
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Proton Power
Amarr Relentless Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Meer Shadow
Originally by: Proton Power
Again not a major deal on it's own, don't htink it was entirely Kia's fault either based on what I know, but shoud have been brought to the public's attention that they lost 250+ bil isk.
Why do you say that? Isn't it standard banking practice to maintain client confidentiality? Especially as the loss did not compromise Ebanks ability to operate?
The names did not need to be released, I did that for being "threatend" reasons and people ticking me off. They just need to let the cusotmers know they lost 250bil isk.
It did compromise things is what people dont understand fully, Ric's reason for the scam as he claims it, may not be the real reason but the reason he is stating, is because after that loan default he felt ebank would have major issues in the long run, so he figured he would get his before it went bad. So that lona which was not announced when it happend in effect caused more issue's.
My issue is not hte loan or ric scamming I can care less about either, my issue is the reporting on these issues. |
Esharan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:53:00 -
[134]
Originally by: SentryRaven
Originally by: Esharan So its good he got banned and everything, but since when does CCP ban people for this sort of action? How did that break the EULA? It was my understanding that this was just a "risk" of investing...... part of the game ya know?
Real Money Trading is a bannable offense.
Oh thanks for that. I did not know he was doing that...bad bad ridic. |
Jalxan
Caldari Seventh Millenium
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:57:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Ulstan I guess my primary concern here is the utter lack of tools CCP has really given us to handle a secondary market.
First Furybank.
Now EBANK.
Even with the most gold plated institutions, there's nothing you can really do to prevent a scam or recover from a scam. You can try to mitigate the damage (as EBANK has done, wisely) or just choose not to invest at all.
I suspect more and more people are going to choose the not invest option, which does bad things for our already suffering secondary market.
You know, these posts are funny to me just because this sort of stuff is happening in the REAL bank world these days.
...That's why I love Eve. |
F90OEX
F9X Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:59:00 -
[136]
If EBank needs 200-500bil I can provide that amount in a short/med term loan arrangement to help them out if needed.
I will be online for most of the day.
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Anastasia Heron
Amarr Interstellar Planetary KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:59:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Emywn Vanya
and @ ricdic... dude you know you could have just asked for help with RL. Most of us know the position your in and your kids always come first.
I can't tell you how many times this has crossed my mind. I'm beyond broke and would have Paypaled him some love. Seriously. Honey > vinegar, although I guess vinegar is easier. Sure harder to live with, though. |
Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.06.10 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sophia Truthspeaker I wonder how long back this started, as CCP isn't always the fastest with banning of RMT trader.
I'm guessing a few months after the Bank started.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Sophia Truthspeaker I wonder how long back this started, as CCP isn't always the fastest with banning of RMT trader.
I'm guessing a few months after the Bank started.
Possibly, I would actually put it later. Most like before Shar left the ebank crew over disagreements about operations. |
Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:03:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Sophia Truthspeaker I wonder how long back this started, as CCP isn't always the fastest with banning of RMT trader.
I'm guessing a few months after the Bank started.
Possibly, I would actually put it later. Most like before Shar left the ebank crew over disagreements about operations.
I have a feeling he suspected it.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:04:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Sophia Truthspeaker I wonder how long back this started, as CCP isn't always the fastest with banning of RMT trader.
I'm guessing a few months after the Bank started.
I'm pretty sure that he would have been caught earlier, if that was the case. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tobin Shalim Honest question for those in charge at EBANK: if we did a deposit to Ricdic that we can prove wasn't processed (our wallet vs what the website says was deposited) then will you still honor the deposit? No, I do not think this has happened to me (yet, I haven't checked) but I believe this will be a valid concern for people.
I agree entirely. We have worked hard to try and get control over the EBANK Ricdic character to avoid this very scenario.
At this time, I'd wait and see. |
Wengole
Red Sky Morning
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Eton Favre
someone tried to set up a fake deposit char within the hour.
Heard they managed to make some isk before CCP renamed the char. Could be BS as you couldn't get a more blatant scam. |
Sophia Truthspeaker
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:15:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Block Ukx I'm guessing a few months after the Bank started.
Possibly, I would actually put it later. Most like before Shar left the ebank crew over disagreements about operations.
I have a feeling he suspected it.
A few months would already be worrisome... nearly two years is beyond that.. and hopefully beyond the investigation time of ccp, too...
My impression is and was that Shar left, because he thought Ricdic as a risk. Not in the 'grab und run' way, but in the 'lets pimp my CNR with 50 billions and fall asleep in a lvl 4' way... or if you so will in the 'lets loan 200 billion to someone without collateral' way.
Either way... that audit would have to be pretty detailed and with a fine sieve, just in case. |
Pastiche
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:17:00 -
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Hexxx and EBank:
I would like to thank you for your handling of the situation. I have enough trust in the organization that I am keeping my small pile of isk with you guys. Especially because Ricdic is gone, albeit under poor circumstance. It is apparent that your system with it's checks and balances for the most part have worked. You reserve cash is there, he got away with only 200B isk. While I feel bad that his real life was in a spot where felt he needed to do this, I am glad to see that even the CEO only made out with 200B isk.
Though I think Proton brings some good points. This is not the first time Proton has beat you guys to the presses with important information, even if he doesn't have the full information he is close enough to the mark to ring some bells.
My questions are thus:
1) Why wasn't Ricdic's access/involvement scaled back more? This isn't the first time he has caused trouble. There is ample evidence that he could be trouble in a very significant way. While I understand that EBank was his baby, thinking of the bank and it's customers would show a need to sideline him.
2) Is there any effort or headway in getting the past 24-48 hours of API information from CCP? This there any recourse for information with CCP? I suspect as the economy of Eve grows more complex from the "let the players make it" view, the issue of banned/inactive accounts is going to come up more often.
Quote: and @ ricdic... dude you know you could have just asked for help with RL. Most of us know the position your in and your kids always come first.
Like wise. I have donated and/or loaned money to people I know through video games or forums to help them out. Probably would have helped him if he asked or someone I trust asked on his behalf. |
Lunewraith
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:21:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Sophia Truthspeaker
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Block Ukx I'm guessing a few months after the Bank started.
Possibly, I would actually put it later. Most like before Shar left the ebank crew over disagreements about operations.
I have a feeling he suspected it.
A few months would already be worrisome... nearly two years is beyond that.. and hopefully beyond the investigation time of ccp, too...
My impression is and was that Shar left, because he thought Ricdic as a risk. Not in the 'grab und run' way, but in the 'lets pimp my CNR with 50 billions and fall asleep in a lvl 4' way... or if you so will in the 'lets loan 200 billion to someone without collateral' way.
Either way... that audit would have to be pretty detailed and with a fine sieve, just in case.
I lost a lot of confidence in Ebank precisely around the time of Shar's posts. I doubt I'm the only person that has more confidence in Ebank's future today with Ricdic gone than with him at the helm. The monetary losses appear huge, but with competent people leading the bank and more transparency to bolster investor confidence, they will recover. |
Mazare Mircea
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 10/06/2009 17:22:38
Originally by: Hexxx I'll cut right to the chase;
Ricdic, Ricdics and EBANK Ricdic characters have been banned by CCP. We are in the process of emailing our customers with this information for those who have emails in our database. We're switching over to another deposit character and I'll confirm that when it's finished. You may have also noticed we are still handling withdraws....we intend to keep doing so.
Yesterday was a busy day. Here's what we know for certain...Ricdic has scammed and engaged in RMT. He stole roughly 200 Billion of our 2.3 Trillion in deposits (8.6%). We are in the process of getting a new deposit character in place and hope to have this completed by tonight. He might have gotten away with more but Amarr Citizen 155 and Athre were able to prevent that. Please give them your thanks; I know I do.
Short term strategy; EBANK is processing withdraws and shrinking...we expect this will happen organically but if we need to nudge it along we will.
Long term strategy; still under debate. We have a few options on the table and are debating the best way forward from here. If we need to raise additional capital (which we don't believe we have to do right now) then we have a few options we'll pursue.
Bottom line;
-EBANK Ricdic has been banned -EBANK Ricdic is no longer the deposit character for EBANK -EBANK Athre is the Interm CEO -EBANK is processing withdraws -EBANK is solvent and will take additional steps if capital infusions are required -EBANK will post again on long term strategy once we finalize it
I hope that addresses some of the concerns and I also hope to post more later and provide updates. I appreciate the support some of our customers have expressed.
You are 36hs too late with your warning about Ricdic, why is that ? How can anyone trust EBANK after the egotrips and the undisclosure of how those 400b were lost ?
And most importantly, when will YOU run with the money like your friend Ricdic ? |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:23:00 -
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Two other thinmgs that interest me:
1. I wonder why Ric didn't go through with his 100B+ Titan bond because he could have picked up some extra free ISk's. Maybe he did the SCAM after that date.
2. You now know why Ric wasn't crowing in YGR's thread (I always thought he would come and gloat), because he was busy running over the hills with his sack of ISK's. |
Kaptn Krunch
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: F90OEX If EBank needs 200-500bil I can provide that amount in a short/med term loan arrangement to help them out if needed.
I will be online for most of the day.
I dont know about EBANK but I could certainly use that :) |
Dr Takiyoma
Traders Industrialists and Miners of EVE R.H.I.N.O.
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Posted - 2009.06.10 17:26:00 -
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Speak of scams...there's a 15 minute old character called ebankricdic ... |
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