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CrazyPunk
The Fiction Factory Blue Nation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:23:00 -
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I just undocked with my corp to test the new missiles at eachother and now when i undock in Arshat after a minute --> Screen freezes --> the game tells you that you just entered the system?! --> and after that you cant navigate untill you relog the game.
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L Olonnais
Yarrbear Inc.
3
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:23:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Man, the new unified inventory sure does show you all the people with an IQ below 100 (you're unable to visualize things in your head and its throwing you off). Good change. Angeliq wrote:
As i said, this new Inventory Feature is nice for beginners like you, but for older players that PVP and/or are involved in industry, manufacturing and other aspects of the game it's totally annoying and unfunctional.
Theres nothing wrong with it, in doesn't do anything to hurt PVP at all, stop making things up and learn to use it.
Because managing a rock and a nyx need 999+ IQ.
Go trolling away. Thanks you. |
TheSmokingHertog
Black Hole INC
35
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:23:00 -
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Since most people already pointed out problems about the UI, I throw in my 2 cents;
When opening an multiple count of containers and stackin them, I identify them by the number I have given the container, but at this moment every number is preset with "ITEM HANGER > NR" where NR is the number I have given the container, now I have to use way more stacks to open 21 containers simultaneously as before, please get rid of this prefix, or make it optional!
Note: will add more stuff after reading all pages ;). |
Phoenix Czech
AZ Solutions CZ CZECH Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:25:00 -
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Please give us back the old system of items inventory. I used multiple windows with drag and drop items between this windows. Now it is not possible. When I open window for some container, the systems do not remember it and doing it next time, I have to use again new inventory manager. Why are (when on POS) in the inventory manager every structure (including POS lanchers etc.)? When I need to give some items from my ship cargo into Corporate hangar, I have to make "research" where is the destination container every time I do it.
Why after every jump through gate or through wormhole the inventory window opens.
New inventory manager is totaly fail !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please CCP to return back the old system.
The other things in inferno are nice :-). |
Quindaster
Infernal laboratory Infernal Octopus
23
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:26:00 -
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Antir wrote:I'm having issues with the new inventory, I get blackscreens that last for 30s to 3min when I try to open corp hangars or move ships/items from a corp hangar to my hangar (only in stations). Fitting and changing ships in station now takes significantly longer then yesterday and makes fitting even a single ship a chore. I play on a low end machine but the performance I'm getting in station is worse then what I get in large fleet fights.
+1
items and ships loading delay in my station and my hangar around 12-30 seconds after patch. And Im not understand why I need to wait till all items load if I need only change ship and dont want to see loadind window with items?!
Separate SHIPS from ITEMS and doesn't load them all in same time if we need ONLY SHIPS !
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
573
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:26:00 -
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CCP should probably take a look at the war history of Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap and see if they think the war system is currently working as intended. |
Kamuria
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:28:00 -
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Angeliq wrote:Messoroz wrote:Angeliq wrote:[quote=Kamuria]Since you made some major changes to the datacores, it would only be fair to give the chance to those who invested time in those skills to refund their skills. When you decide to train datacore skills + grinding the standings, you base that decision on the parameters set by CCP. Those parameters are changed, so you should give us a chance to change our mind based on the new conditions. THIS! Welcome to the sandbox, nothing is guaranteed. Should CCP have refunded everyone's tech 1 frigate skills when they redid all their attributes with the patch?
Obviously you don't know how the datacore business works !
Most people will get research project management to lvl 4, which gives you access to 5 research agents. Those agents have many requirements and 5 agents means training 90% of the research skills to at least lvl 4 ! Plus grinding status for research agents is really not fun. To sum this all, it's over 1 month of training minimum, not counting prereq like mechanical or egnineering to lvl 5...
So getting in that aspect of the game is a bigger decision than training for tech 1 frigates. Also frigates are prereq for bigger, cooler stuff, so you have to train them anyway. Analogy FAIL. |
Heimdallofasgard
T.O.R.
165
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:29:00 -
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All in all, with the LOADS of new features ccp are implementing in this patch, some issues will slip through the cracks... it's not even patch day + 1 yet and you're all calling for mass unsubs? you guys have insane expectations Kick Heim. |
Xenaya
Shovelers of the Bark
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:30:00 -
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I'm not a happy bunny :( The new inventory system is terrible, it could be workable if we could customise it to work like the old system. Shift-Click needs to be the default option atleast. Even with the tree-view collapsed, the top and bottom areas take too much space, we need a way to have a very small window for things like mining or looting in space as before. Hierarchical trees are very good for such things as collision detection, but totally almost useless for Eve UI, its just too much effort and clumsy to scroll up and down it trying to find what you are after. I'd like it better if it were folder based like windows explorer where you don't even need to use the tree. Some back and forward buttons would help quite a bit. Its so easy to click on the wrong thing or forget to press shift and end up having to scroll all the way up the tree view to get back to where you were before.
Windows are so perfect, they worked really well and i have no intention to try to put up with this stupid one window idea. I really think that Shift-click was just added as a stop gap measure while making it so annoying that we'd end up converting to how CCP think we should use it.
I've only just been back for a couple of months, before that i took a long break after the last time CCP messed things up (was something about monocles, no more ship spinning and walking around a box). I really thought things had changed. The last few patches have been good, new missiles are really cool. But at the end of the day, Eve is a game but its so awkward to play now... its like torture. I feel like I'm not in control but rather at the mercy of the unified inventory system. I didn't try it on the test server, but did read forum posts... i had hoped that you would listen to the many complaints before you added made it live... things don't change.... but maybe if enough people quit we'll get a patch in a few months. |
dankus
The WHole Rippers Tactical Operation Fleet Delta
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:30:00 -
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I just have to say this is the worst change imo u guys have ever made to eve and i have been playing for over 8 years. Shouldnt a change make it easier to use not harder? Also if u live in a pos like i do all your mods are on index list too. I thought thats what pos manage was for? Dont see any way to take them off thru filters. Wtih lost of pos mods and arrays it makes it to damn confusing. Why cant i just click to open and get my hangar with its tabs of divisions. So much easier to manage that way. With mutltiple arrays and multiple divisions holding diff things for diff reasons i need my old system back. Either fix this for the better or give us the option to use the old system still. |
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Sodone Gristein
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:31:00 -
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First, I like the new inventory, the price estimations in particular are great.
My main issue with it so far is that boarded ships disappear from the hangar. Now I can see all the ships I have in the station in a *single* location, *except* the one ship that I'm actually using. It feels counter-intuitive. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
702
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:31:00 -
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Jessica Sweetwater wrote:
I damn well guarentee i have a higher IQ than you boy and if you want to prove it lets go some.
Violent reactions like yours to a simple post are usually indicative of a low IQ, when your brain can't cope with the information its being handed; anger is often its first response.
The window is easy to manage if you can tend to remember the order that the list naturally falls in through the tree and whats in each window.
To aid those of you like Jessica, they've even allowed you to shift click a window, to make it easy to pop it off and see whats in it.
Try reading, I've heard that excessive reading helps the mind grow by allowing more internal visualizations, this in turn leads to a slowly increasing IQ.
Eventually you'll get the new window, and if a bunch of you quit over a UI window that most sane people seem to have a fairly decent grasp of, well, you would have quit over something else soon anyway so we'll see you around. |
Nemulus
Mercury Inc.
1
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:33:00 -
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If this is true and I wouldnt put it past CCP then they are really scraping the barrel and will lose players. Give the option to switch to the old inv system asap otherwise every night I dont play goes by pushes me into playing 1 of 10 other games I have installed :(.
Nem
Ristlin Wakefield wrote:Sluht Hunter wrote:Ok the new inventory sux. Salvaging is now a nightmare. sorting your things and moving them from location to location is a full time job. And mining is now very un-enjoyable. please give us the option to roll back to the old system for those that want it.. and keep the option of the new inventory for those that like it. ____________ Not liking the new seed options for the new mods either. Really you only npc seed one of the new mods blueprints. If you truly want the game items to be all player produced then give us the tools to do it by seeding the other bpo's. _____ got to give good with the bad. Love the new missile effects good job. Didn't you hear? There are a few "inventory management" skills lined up. It's a new career too. Make sure to get "Static Windows" and "Multiple Tabs" skills up to III first.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
427
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:33:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:To aid those of you like Jessica, they've even allowed you to shift click a window, to make it easy to pop it off and see whats in it.
Before or after the blackscreen? eh |
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
168
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:34:00 -
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As i mentioned HERE Posted: 2012.01.27 08:09
Ask your customers if they wish such a unfinished, more than stupid idea of an unified crap inventory. You guys do not listen to your paying customer base. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
702
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:34:00 -
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Oh god and all of you, stop collapsing the tree for the love of god.
Its there to help you, you actually NEED it to navigate or yes, you will have problems. STOP CLOSING THE TREE. |
Xylem Viliana
Dust Bunnies Emergent Avionics
37
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:39:00 -
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I think CCP went home.... |
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
49
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:40:00 -
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This has probably been mentioned, but is there a way to make it so that the inventory window auto-opens when you dock, if it was open when you undocked? |
Kailiee Hakomairos
Refine Trade And Transportation Damned Nation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:43:00 -
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i like how it shows how much my stuff is worth, but GIVE ME BACK MY OLD INV dont merge ships with inv and everything else i cant find anything and i like having multiple windows open i can better manage stuff in cans inv cargo hold what ever |
Leucy Kerastase
2
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:43:00 -
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Don't like the new unified inventory. I feel like being forced to use a single button mouse when I'm perfectly fine with my multi-button mouse. It's "unified", looks cool & simple but compared to the old system, it requires more clicking and more attention upon almost every aspect of my inventory arranging.
Pre-Inferno, opening my active ship cargo, ship hangar and item hangar was a simple "alt + C, N, G". 3 windows would nicely show up exactly where I closed them. I didn't even have to do that since if I had just left them open when I undock, they will automatically show up upon re-dock. Now, you need much more clicking to achieve the same effect,
And while you can open separate windows by shift/right clicking, those windows don't seem to remember the preferred sorting mode. I like my ship hangar sorted by name, item hangar sorted by type, but since the UI has decided not to remember my preference, I either have to set it manually each time I open them, or just live with a messy hangar.
And as someone has mentioned above, the salvaging & looting workflow has become a major PITA. The opening up of each containers via double clicking the overview are so slow. And I can't spam "loot all" button anymore. It responds slowly, displaying a "loading" spiral animation upon each click. I also noticed a significant HDD access sound from my PC every time I loot. What are you doing to my poor PC? And the focus, it just goes back to ship cargo each time I hit the "loot all" button, so I have to manually select the next cargo again. "loot all", wait for stuff to load and refresh, select next cargo, "loot all", wait for stuff to load, select next cargo ... Seriously, wtf?. Compared to the old system, this is just unbearable.
I think each of the new function themselves are pretty cool. You should have just added those new functions to each window (which of course has a per window remembered show/hide option) and leave the basic window behaviors untouched. Nothing could have gone bad that way IMO. |
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
702
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:44:00 -
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Adriel Malakai wrote:This has probably been mentioned, but is there a way to make it so that the inventory window auto-opens when you dock, if it was open when you undocked?
There are certain things they've said they're working on fixes for, this is one of them, window retention, the corp member hangar list, what you're reading here is basically 5 posters bitching up a storm that they've had to adapt to something new.
Yet not a one of them opened their mouth when we were force fed Dominion sov rules and changes, nobody complained when Titan changes or supercarrier changes went through, nobody stood up for the nano ships when they got nuked from orbit.
This change like all others, people will learn to live with, or wont, and the game will ramble on.
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
46
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:45:00 -
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The new inventory is great, especially for new players.
Just fix/tune it and everything will be fine :) If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Bob Bedala
7
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:46:00 -
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When dragging from the ship hanger to item hanger in station it does an auto "sort by type".
This is more a hinderance than a help for me, because fresh loot & salvage dragged is mixed with all the rest of the stuff.
Previously it was all at the bottom, so I could easily go through all new goodies and reprocess/drop in "for sale" can/keep more easily.
To get around this means dedicating an always-empty can to it, which is wasteful. |
Captain Praxis
EVE University Ivy League
30
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:47:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Oh god and all of you, stop collapsing the tree for the love of god.
Its there to help you, you actually NEED it to navigate or yes, you will have problems. STOP CLOSING THE TREE.
I hate tree-views for navigation (in EVE, on my Desktop and pretty much anywhere else).
The main reason trees are bad? They don't let you view the contents of two locations at the same time. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
702
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:47:00 -
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Leucy Kerastase wrote:. Now, you need much more clicking to achieve the same effect,
Working on a fix
Leucy Kerastase wrote:.And while you can open separate windows by shift/right clicking, those windows don't seem to remember the preferred sorting mode.
Working on a fix
Leucy Kerastase wrote:.And as someone has mentioned above, the salvaging & looting workflow has become a major PITA. The opening up of each containers via double clicking the overview are so slow. .
Don't use the overview use the inventory window, if you open it and check your tree you will see the wrecks plainly displayed there for you to simply single click on and hit loot all.
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Andre UKoppie
Average moon Silent Infinity
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:48:00 -
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INFERNO is an good old fashioned CCP patch. I missed this for 1 year. There is a qeue. You cant get into INFERNO fast, number 160plus.
I am anxious to find out whether there are more such surprises, but hey, after playing since 2007 we know that CCP has a thing with strange working patches...... |
Master Solmyr
Operational Urban Zion Order O.U.Z.O. Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:48:00 -
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Is there a way to close off the new inventory forever and just have the old much easier workable 1?
" Items "
Enough said.
Edit: I don't want you to fix the current, just get rid of it. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
702
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:48:00 -
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Captain Praxis wrote:
The main reason trees are bad? They don't let you view the contents of two locations at the same time.
Shift click the other window you want open, it'll pop right off for you.
Now you can see two windows at once.
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Selissa Shadoe
55
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:49:00 -
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Justine Valentine wrote:Personally I am veeery happy of unified inventory :) Now I can finally control my assets the way I wan't without any problems, everything in one window, very intuitive vertical menu. I hate tons of windows opened, so this is for me :) Very intuitive and helps with organization. I hate mess :) huge + rep for new inventory! Great job.
But option to switch the inventory type would be good, considering that some ppl won't adapt to new one and they want hundreads of windows opened. Although I also can't understand why some ppl hate new inventory, probably they are one of those "I am stuck in xxxx year and won't adapt or go with time" or smth.
Keep the good job CCP, I wish for new players you are gonan get soon :) Switch all those "I hate everything new!" with new ones :)
Obvious CCP alt is obvious |
Zo'ha
Techno Miners
1
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Posted - 2012.05.22 18:50:00 -
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Unified inventory is the worst thing that has ever happened to anyone who owns a pos running reaction. Posses were already dull and uninteresting. They are now that and difficult to manage and fuelling a reaction is now a lucky dip.
Want to run more than one reaction type in a pos now? well good luck on that one. I am considering taking down my posses and would do so right now if it wasnt so time consuming.
Way to go CCP, releasing something which benefits some only to slap others in the face repeatedly without consideration
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