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Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.15 23:32:00 - [1] Greetings folks! I'm Curzon Dax. I'm not going to spend three paragraphs explaining who I am; a little research or any community involvement in the last 5 years will probably have seen my name on your screen, or in your ears. I'm no longer in the trillionaire range; when I left Eve in 2007, I let my investments be kept, and wished everyone the best of luck, and signed off. I missed making parodies and returned to generate more laughs. Having done so, my interest is waning again, and this time, I intend not to return. Before I go, I'd like to get a Paladin and a Golem, and officer-pimp them both, which is what this IPO is about. I have approximately 150-200 billion in assets, mostly in officer fittings and ridiculously expensive ships. If anyone remembers the Eve PvP Championship fights and the 50 billion ISK battleships I was flying around to stack my odds of winning, I still have all my fancy toys, just not the capital. Plan This is basically a CD opportunity, with 200% interest. I'd like to set a definitive date in the 6 months to 1 year range. I haven't gone shopping yet, but I expect need about 50 billion ISK to fit what I want, which I'll raise through this IPO. On a date NO LATER THAN one year (probably significantly sooner), Entity (yes, the collector) has agreed to take receipt of my character and all of its assets and pay out the IPO on my behalf from my assets. In other words, instead of selling all my rare and shiny stuff to random people, Entity gets to "buy" it all from the IPO shareholders, and make a very tidy profit while he's at it, and add to his collection of priceless stuff. Profit wise, if I take a VERY conservative estimate of the value of all my loot, we're looking at 150 billion ISK in assets. I would despise having to sell shiny stuff to buy other shiny stuff which is why I'm making this IPO. Your ISK isn't going to generate more ISK; the value of the payout already exists, so business can't turn bad. I'm not sure what Curzon Dax as a character is worth (70m SP, +5 set, Halo set, Slave set, etc), but between the 50 billion ISK margin between the 200% RoI and the value of my character, Entity will be paid very well for his services. TLDR I'd like to acquire 50,000,000,000 ISK total, which will pay out 100,000,000,000 in dividends no later than one year after the CD being filled; Entity will be taking control of my character and assets to distribute payment from my character so that he can keep my rare stuff for himself. I've done a lot of original stuff in Eve, from creating the Eve Fights, to starting Eve Online Hold'Em (Now EOHPoker owned by Selene), to founding the idea of providing highsec POS anchoring services. This is my last endeavor in Eve before I leave for good, and there's an opportunity for folks who care about ISK to make a profit from it. Thanks for reading, and I'll answer questions as I can. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Dzil Caldari Sausage Banking	Posted - 2009.09.15 23:37:00 - [2] ... you didn't make a parody of my bank fail song. :( 500m reserved pending karaoke. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.15 23:47:00 - [3] Edited by: Curzon Dax on 15/09/2009 23:47:13 I'm not done making parodies yet, and I have your song in line after my parody "Evil Pirate" which is a parody of "White and Nerdy" by Weird Al. Turn the music on and sing this instead: They see me ganking a carebear I know they're all thinking I'm an evil pirate Think I'm just an evil pirate Think I'm just an evil pirate Can't you see I'm an evil pirate Look at me I'm an evil pirate. I wanna roll with The carebears But so far they all think I'm an evil pirate Think I'm just an evil pirate Think I'm just an evil pirate I'm just an evil pirate Really just an evil pirate EDIT The song chronicles this evil pirate who wants to hang out with carebears, and mine with them, and mission run with them, but everyone is afraid to do so because....they're a pirate. =p -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Scifi Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 00:31:00 - [4] Shame to see you go, but I can understand where you're coming from. You certainly brought a nice spark of life into the DCMI chat. I'm sure I got 500mil or so lying around to contribute to the great bucket list.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 00:32:00 - [5] I should clarify (due to a question in game) that the total payout will be 150,000,000,000 ISK; the initial 50 billion ISK in addition to 100 billion ISK in dividends. That's the 200% interest. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Conwakleferibok	Posted - 2009.09.16 00:41:00 - [6] Reserve 5 bn.
Mephistocles Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2009.09.16 00:41:00 - [7] When will you start accepting isk? Also, is there any chance we can get Entity to post confirmation on this just as a matter of thoroughness? Pending these questions I'll reserve 1B.
ginlaaan Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.09.16 00:44:00 - [8] reserve 1 billion isk for ginlaaan --Ginlaaan--
Saint Lazarus Tri-Mining Corp Rising Phoenix Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.16 00:44:00 - [9] I'd like to reserve 500mil pending Entitys confirmation. Just out of the oddness of this "IPO" ----------------- My EvE Comic
Meganoita	Posted - 2009.09.16 00:47:00 - [10] Originally by: Mephistocles When will you start accepting isk? Also, is there any chance we can get Entity to post confirmation on this just as a matter of thoroughness? Pending these questions I'll reserve 1B. I'll reserve 4b pending the above.

Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 00:57:00 - [11] I've received 1 billion from Scifi, and 1 billion from Ginlaan. 48 billion ISK left available. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
ginlaaan Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.09.16 00:58:00 - [12] Sorry about that LOL i read it like you wanted it in 100k increments. --Ginlaaan--
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 01:06:00 - [13] Entity is the 3rd party executor here, but please keep in mind that he is not financially liable for my IPO. On the flip side, I don't imagine that he'd take all my stuff when I leave and scam everyone...he's too much a central part of Eve's history. Chribba, if you read this...sorry man, haven't seen you online for a week or two, or I would have asked you first. But yeah; there's plenty of margin here, and I'd like to think there's more than enough people who know me and what I've got to fill up the 50 billion in short order. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 01:11:00 - [14] 5 billion ISK recieved from Conwakleferibok. There is 43 billion ISK left to be invested in this opportunity. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Murixo M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.09.16 01:18:00 - [15] Just want to check, there are 0 returns until the full year is up? Also, would like to reserve 5b pending a post from Entity of course. Pretty cool way of going Don't forget to fraps the shinies going boom
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.09.16 01:22:00 - [16] An innovative offering! Originally by: Curzon Dax I'd like to acquire 50 GISK total, which will pay out 100 GISK in dividends, or a total of 150 GISK no later than one year after the CD being filled. That's 300% RoI over a maximum of one year, or 25% interest per month at minimum. Some clarification here: the numbers you've put here aren't precisely wrong or false per se, but they are not how rates of return are commonly described. ROI is more often computed as (finalValue û initialValue) / (initialValue), which would make this 200% over an 11.5 month period, rather than 300%. And when you break down a period into smaller periods, the returns are typically compounded on the smaller period. Here if the returns were compounded monthly, the rate of return would be approximately 10% per month, rather than 25%. á á
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 01:24:00 - [17] Shinies will NOT go boom. I repeat....I will NOT boom my shinies. None of them. >< Second, as far as interest rates, I'm not a financial analyst or a bank guy in terms of returns, but if you give me 1 billion ISK and I give you 3 billion ISK, isn't that a 300% return? -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.09.16 01:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Curzon Dax As far as interest rates, I'm not a financial analyst or a bank guy in terms of returns, but if you give me 1 billion ISK and I give you 3 billion ISK, isn't that a 300% return? Short answer: no. Longer answer: You are right in one sense of the words ('3 GISK is 300% of 1 GISK'), and that's why I said you weren't precisely 'wrong', but that's not how investment returns are typically reported or or analyzed. See Wikipedia for more detail and formulae: Rate of return. á á
Nagus LeGrand	Posted - 2009.09.16 01:37:00 - [19] Edited by: Nagus LeGrand on 16/09/2009 01:38:01 Originally by: Curzon Dax Shinies will NOT go boom. I repeat....I will NOT boom my shinies. None of them. >< LOL. Curzon, you will be missed. I wish you the best. It has been fun having you around DCMI again, even for a little while. If we don't get fraps of shinies going boom, at least make some fraps of shinies making other things go boom.
Steph Wing Gallente Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2009.09.16 01:37:00 - [20] I, too, would like to hear from Entity before I consider further.

Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 01:42:00 - [21] Originally by: Nagus LeGrand If we don't get fraps of shinies going boom, at least make some fraps of shinies making other things go boom. Yep, I'll take some screenshots of a fat Paladin or a Golem doing "Worlds Collide." =) -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 01:58:00 - [22] 1 billion received from Chaos Wraith; 42 billion ISK left. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 02:03:00 - [23] 4 billion ISK received from Meganoita. 38/50 billion ISK left available to invest, and the IPO has only been open for an hour. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Murixo M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.09.16 02:54:00 - [24] No booming shinies? :( For sake of argument, I meant is that 300% going to be an incremental one over the year (weekly/monthly), or are we going to see no returns until September 01 2010, at which point a huge amount of ISK hits my wallet. Oh and sod it, I'll confirm my 5b reservation if I can have until Friday night to sc**** it together (tried to catch you in-game to ask but had to run)
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 03:03:00 - [25] You have until the CD fills to be involved. In the opening hours of my IPO, 25% of the available funds have been snatched up, I don't honestly expect this to last very long. I'm not asking for mega-bucks, and half of Eve knows I'm good for the cash - the other half I don't care about. =p In response to your question about incremental payouts, CD is the best description I can give to it. There will not be incremental payouts, there will be a lump sum 300% return on your investment at the termination of this IPO. I honestly don't expect to still be here in a year - my wife (Dodiez) thinks that we should give up MMOs when we move into our new house (just bought a new house) this weekend and stick to playing console games / tabletop warhammer. I tend to agree, but would like to stay off execution of being involved in an online community until I've had a chance to get my last couple of shiny things. However, for the sake of posterity, I've attached a 1 year deadline (little less) for return on investment. I'm not sure how incremental stuff and banking things go, but when I do 300% divided by 12, I end up with 25%, which means folks will earn 25% interest on their funds for 12 months, then get paid. Even if its 200%, that's still 16.6% interest per month for 12 months. Either way, its a better investment than I ever invested in while I was accumulating wealth. And not to beat a dead horse, but at the end of it all, I will either do a character transfer with all my stuff to Entity, or (given his preference) I will contract all my stuff to him, and find someone else to take control of Curzon and use him / sell him. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
General Wiggles	Posted - 2009.09.16 03:10:00 - [26] sign me up for 1 billion please, General Wiggles.
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.09.16 03:16:00 - [27] Originally by: Curzon Dax I'm not sure how incremental stuff and banking things go, but when I do 300% divided by 12, I end up with 25%, which means folks will earn 25% interest on their funds for 12 months, then get paid. Even if its 200%, that's still 16.6% interest per month for 12 months. Either way, its a better investment than I ever invested in while I was accumulating wealth. As I explained above, this is probably better described as a 200% return on investment over a year, or roughly 10% per month when compounded monthly over the same period. These numbers are indeed better than many public investment opportunities, so there's no need to rhyme off even bigger numbers and claim ignorance of how investment returns are typically calculated and reported. á á
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 03:18:00 - [28] And...1 billion received from Wiggles. 37/50 billion left. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 03:31:00 - [29] Originally by: Thoraemond 200% shrugs again I don't really know what compounded monthly means, I'm not pretending ignorance. My wife and I closed on our new house on Friday, and our realtor and the attorney were getting frustrated with me because I was trying to understand the nuances of the mortgage. >< However, I don't think your numbers fit this occasion because this isn't a stock. This is a flat-rate CD that will take a maximum of 12 months to mature, and has a very strong early completion possibility. If you say its 200% and not 300%....well, instead of percents, I can just explain that people are going to be paid triple their investment. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Manu Hermanus FaDoyToy	Posted - 2009.09.16 03:41:00 - [30] Edited by: Manu Hermanus on 16/09/2009 03:41:19 But I don't want your stuff, just your music just a shame I don't have liquid cash at this point. and yes it is 200% because I get 200% of what I put in back in profit in addition to the 100% I put in You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?

Mahke Aeon Of Strife Dominatus Atrum Mortis	Posted - 2009.09.16 03:42:00 - [31] I'd invest 500mil in this if we can get confirmation from entity.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 03:42:00 - [32] 500m received from Jadun. 36.3 / 50 billion still available. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Jadun	Posted - 2009.09.16 03:44:00 - [33] yo ho all gave 500 mil isk. everybody should be able to live his dreams. Jadun P.s. + is a good investment
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.09.16 03:46:00 - [34] Something feels weird here. It's probably just me, but eh. For the sake of form, if nothing else, I would ask for an audit to prove that Curzon actually has the much-mentioned shiny objects. Originally by: Karanth Or, in other words, random people can't usurp rights from government because they are insane/bitter/vengeful/made of potato salad.
Nuzzy Futs Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2009.09.16 03:55:00 - [35] Originally by: Frenden Dax Something feels weird here. It's probably just me, but eh. For the sake of form, if nothing else, I would ask for an audit to prove that Curzon actually has the much-mentioned shiny objects. Why? While I don't doubt he has them would it really make a difference in this venture? You are buying not only shiny ships that will be used to make things go BOOM - as well as a bit of Eve History. This is a unique IPO and a creative way to leave behind the virtual coil of eve. /salute Awww Nuts.
Entity X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence	Posted - 2009.09.16 04:04:00 - [36] Posting to confirm Curzon and I had a little chitchat the other day and that I will be handling the payouts when he departs. On a side note, it looks like a good deal for everyone involved really :-) _ Got Item? \| EVE API?
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.09.16 04:04:00 - [37] Edited by: Frenden Dax on 16/09/2009 04:05:17 EDIT: Blast, entity posted before I submitted Originally by: Karanth Or, in other words, random people can't usurp rights from government because they are insane/bitter/vengeful/made of potato salad.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 04:05:00 - [38] Originally by: Frenden Dax Something feels weird here. It's probably just me, but eh. For the sake of form, if nothing else, I would ask for an audit to prove that Curzon actually has the much-mentioned shiny objects. While I respect your concerns, I am who I am. I don't plan on having an audit (or even really know what one is?), but I think that there's far more than enough people in Eve who know who I am and what I have (and have wished for a long time they had some of it) that this IPO will fill out in short order. Its 1/4 filled after a couple hours, and Entity will be along in a minute to make a post which is what other folks were looking for. I'm not worried about raising the capital - I don't really expect there to be any investment opportunity still available by tomorrow or the day after. I could be wrong but hey. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.09.16 04:10:00 - [39] Originally by: Curzon Dax I don't really know what compounded monthly means, I'm not pretending ignorance. My wife and I closed on our new house on Friday, and our realtor and the attorney were getting frustrated with me because I was trying to understand the nuances of the mortgage. Well, I'm not involved enough to feel frustrated, but I can sympathize with your minions. Originally by: Curzon Dax If you say its 200% and not 300%....well, instead of percents, I can just explain that people are going to be paid triple their investment. Rephrasing it doesn't address the underlying difference. As I explained, it is common practice to describe the return on an investment as the amount returned less the initial investment. That's simply how it's normally done. Let's say you were starting with four apples and you wanted to have eight. While it's true that eight apples is twice as many as four, you only add four more apples (100% of your original quantity) to get to eight. Hence that is a 100% increase (even though eight is 200% the size of four). This 100% increase in apples is analogous to what people commonly call the return on investment. I hope this helps. It looks like you already enjoy many of the good things in life, but a bit of basic numeracy can't hurt! Originally by: Curzon Dax I don't think your numbers fit this occasion because this isn't a stock. This is a flat-rate CD that will take a maximum of 12 months to mature, and has a very strong early completion possibility. Fair point. Long term investment decisions probably benefit from consideration of the time value of money, but it's not flat-out wrong to look at it in other ways. Of course, this doesn't have any bearing on why the return on investment should be described as 200%. á á
Stardust CEO Stardust Manufacturing	Posted - 2009.09.16 04:14:00 - [40] Originally by: Thoraemond Originally by: Curzon Dax I don't really know what compounded monthly means, I'm not pretending ignorance. My wife and I closed on our new house on Friday, and our realtor and the attorney were getting frustrated with me because I was trying to understand the nuances of the mortgage. Well, I'm not involved enough to feel frustrated, but I can sympathize with your minions. Originally by: Curzon Dax If you say its 200% and not 300%....well, instead of percents, I can just explain that people are going to be paid triple their investment. Rephrasing it doesn't address the underlying difference. As I explained, it is common practice to describe the return on an investment as the amount returned less the initial investment. That's simply how it's normally done. Let's say you were starting with four apples and you wanted to have eight. While it's true that eight apples is twice as many as four, you only add four more apples (100% of your original quantity) to get to eight. Hence that is a 100% increase (even though eight is 200% the size of four). This 100% increase in apples is analogous to what people commonly call the return on investment. I hope this helps. It looks like you already enjoy many of the good things in life, but a bit of basic numeracy can't hurt! Originally by: Curzon Dax I don't think your numbers fit this occasion because this isn't a stock. This is a flat-rate CD that will take a maximum of 12 months to mature, and has a very strong early completion possibility. Fair point. Long term investment decisions probably benefit from consideration of the time value of money, but it's not flat-out wrong to look at it in other ways. Of course, this doesn't have any bearing on why the return on investment should be described as 200%. Curzon doesn't care. Go ahead and stop. Really, it's ok.

Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2009.09.16 04:17:00 - [41] Originally by: Stardust CEO Curzon doesn't care. Go ahead and stop. Really, it's ok. Permission noted. You might be okay with his ignorance, but I see a chance to improve the world a little bit by sharing knowledge. I try to be helpful like that. á á
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.09.16 04:19:00 - [42] I chatted to Curzon about this IPO last night. I wasn't sure what the response would be like, and whether the secondary market would absorb an old rep player without audit. I can say though, that IMO Curzon is one of the stand up people in the game. One of the early wealthy ones, before giving it all away. He did use to bet some very shiny officer pimped BS's in 1 vs 1 challenges, and I used to play poker with him back when he ran it. I'll toss a spare 500M into this. Transfer in a bit.
Conwakleferibok	Posted - 2009.09.16 04:31:00 - [43] Had me worried for a while... IPO up for a few hours and no MD elite investing. Bad sign but its all good now
Kitchie Gallente Vikramaditya	Posted - 2009.09.16 04:36:00 - [44] Awash with cash at the moment so I'll chuck in 2 billion. One condition though: I really want to see the fitout of those ships. I mean a 50 bill fitout, that's got to be something else!
Steel Wraith	Posted - 2009.09.16 04:53:00 - [45] I may chip in 500M if I can gather it before this fills up but at the same time I'm a little curious: Has anyone followed your advice #2 and sought a phone call and RL personal info about you and your family yet? Would you be offended that your in game rep wasn't enough / point out it will probably fill up without their investment or would you be honored they are following your advice? A little trollish maybe, sorry about that, but I am kinda curious and I'll bet I merely beat someone else to the question. BTW I don't intend to call you on the phone. I would just find it a little ironic if someone did.
Saint Lazarus Tri-Mining Corp Rising Phoenix Alliance	Posted - 2009.09.16 05:11:00 - [46] 500mil iskies sent ----------------- My EvE Comic

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2009.09.16 06:49:00 - [47] You leaving for good now?

Jaedar Metron Celestial Warp Ghost Guardians	Posted - 2009.09.16 06:51:00 - [48] 500m isk sent. I'm not gonna be playing myself, so would be nice to find a big stack of money waiting for me when I get back :)
Tristam Izumi Izumi Enterprizes	Posted - 2009.09.16 06:56:00 - [49] Put me in for 500mil.
Ambo I've Got Nothing	Posted - 2009.09.16 07:19:00 - [50] Ok, this is one of the dumbest IPOs I've ever seen. You've got loads of shiny stuff that you're not using that's worth 150-200 bil. You want other people to give you 50 bil to pimp a Golem and a Paladin for... somthing, we have no idea what. In 6 months to a year, Entity gets hold of your char, buys all the items (effectively from himself) and gives the proceeds to investors. You won't sell your own stuff to raise the cash to do this despite the fact that there is no reason not to do so. You don't say what the ships are for. You say your stuff will not get blown up. This is Eve, unless you're just going to look at it in a hanger then there is always a chance. Clearly the only reason people would invest in this is your rep (and entity's) and the amazing returns on offer. Only trouble is, it makes absolutely no fricking sense. Massive returns promised + a 'plan' that makes no sense = warning flags. For what it's worth, I really don't believe you're aiming to scam or anything. Best of luck to investors I guess. --------------------------------------

Jadun	Posted - 2009.09.16 07:40:00 - [51] Originally by: Ambo Ok, this is one of the dumbest IPOs I've ever seen. You've got loads of shiny stuff that you're not using that's worth 150-200 bil. You want other people to give you 50 bil to pimp a Golem and a Paladin for... somthing, we have no idea what. In 6 months to a year, Entity gets hold of your char, buys all the items (effectively from himself) and gives the proceeds to investors. You won't sell your own stuff to raise the cash to do this despite the fact that there is no reason not to do so. You don't say what the ships are for. You say your stuff will not get blown up. This is Eve, unless you're just going to look at it in a hanger then there is always a chance. Clearly the only reason people would invest in this is your rep (and entity's) and the amazing returns on offer. Only trouble is, it makes absolutely no fricking sense. Massive returns promised + a 'plan' that makes no sense = warning flags. For what it's worth, I really don't believe you're aiming to scam or anything. Best of luck to investors I guess. you are too dumb for words, but i will give it a try. the Ipo makes perfect sence. he has shiny stuff, but doesnot wanna sell it himself. he collected all his assets over years and doesnot wanna break them up. just the idea is genius. even if both ships get blown up it would not matter because all the other shiny stuff is allready there. as you allready said there is no reson to sell his stuff. but you seem not to get the point even while writing stuff. a " plan" doesnot have to make sence. it just is. everybody can make up their own minds if it is a good or a bad plan. me thinks its a very nice way to pass the time and if i could i would do it too.
Barbicane TGUN Industries	Posted - 2009.09.16 08:00:00 - [52] I would have to agree with Ambo here. There are tons of other (better) ways to leave your mark.
Opfinder	Posted - 2009.09.16 08:18:00 - [53] Can i have a reservere for 5 billion ISK? will transfer the ISK when i get home around 17:30 (CET)
Heroldyn	Posted - 2009.09.16 08:47:00 - [54] i am kind of amazed how lighthearted people 'invest' their money into this 'ipo' right after the whole ebank 'lockdown'. yet again noone learned anything from it. Yes, he might be an old an respected character, but he just returned from a long break. You dont even know if its still the same person behind the computer monitor. Add to this the reasoning for collecting the money is very weak aswell. he needs the money to buy new ships, and doesnt want to sell his old 'ship collection' for it, but then in a year from now he doesnt care.. right. I am allready getting exited for all the funny whine threads that are going to appear here next year. so long o/
Promethian child Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.09.16 08:56:00 - [55] Originally by: Heroldyn i am kind of amazed how lighthearted people 'invest' their money into this 'ipo' right after the whole ebank 'lockdown'. yet again noone learned anything from it. Yes, he might be an old an respected character, but he just returned from a long break. You dont even know if its still the same person behind the computer monitor. Add to this the reasoning for collecting the money is very weak aswell. he needs the money to buy new ships, and doesnt want to sell his old 'ship collection' for it, but then in a year from now he doesnt care.. right. I am allready getting exited for all the funny whine threads that are going to appear here next year. so long o/ IMO Curzon backed up by Entity makes this a nice safe investment oportunity. If they both run off or walk under a bus tough luck. On that note i would like to reserve a 4 bill slot i will transfer the cash around 1800 CET
Heroldyn	Posted - 2009.09.16 08:59:00 - [56] Originally by: Promethian child Originally by: Heroldyn i am kind of amazed how lighthearted people 'invest' their money into this 'ipo' right after the whole ebank 'lockdown'. yet again noone learned anything from it. Yes, he might be an old an respected character, but he just returned from a long break. You dont even know if its still the same person behind the computer monitor. Add to this the reasoning for collecting the money is very weak aswell. he needs the money to buy new ships, and doesnt want to sell his old 'ship collection' for it, but then in a year from now he doesnt care.. right. I am allready getting exited for all the funny whine threads that are going to appear here next year. so long o/ IMO Curzon backed up by Entity makes this a nice safe investment oportunity. If they both run off or walk under a bus tough luck. On that note i would like to reserve a 4 bill slot i will transfer the cash around 1800 CET how is it backed up ? entity will be receiving curson's character in one year's time.. what gurantee do you have that curzon is actually giving it to enity in a year ? what gurantee does entity have to receive it ?
Promethian child Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.09.16 09:13:00 - [57] Both have a sterling record spanning several years , and have had plenty of oportunities to abscond with massive amounts of ISK. So i really cant see them pulling a fast one over a paltry sum like this. All in all for me this is an safe zero effort way too make some spare isk work for me. But if you have doubts noone is forcing anyone to invest in what might turn out to be a lucrative and possibly highly amusing endeavour.
Heroldyn	Posted - 2009.09.16 09:17:00 - [58] Originally by: Promethian child Both have a sterling record spanning several years , and have had plenty of oportunities to abscond with massive amounts of ISK. yah, thats what i wrote. all the 'security' of this 'ipo' is based on curzon being an old respected character. entity really doesnt add anything to the security, because he has to rely on curzon holding to his words himself.
Estella Vance	Posted - 2009.09.16 10:04:00 - [59] "Give me ISK, I'll give you back 3x more. After a year or so. I promise!" Sounds... not too good; no audit, no real strong business plan, no guarantee that Curzon is still the same person... Just a common sense, that 50 bil. for people like Curzon and Entity is relatively "small" cash, not worth ruining reputation. That being said, and considering what I can afford to loose in one year timeframe, I'd like to invest 1bil. ISK Ready for the worst, hoping for the best
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 11:05:00 - [60] Greetings and good morning! To address a few concerns.... 1. I am the original Curzon. You need only click the link in my bio, and listen to one of the new parodies in my thread that I've put out since I've returned to Eve to realize that. The voice you'll hear is the same one that made the parodies in the same through over the last several years. In fact, for anyone who mentioned this problem, I can safely guess at this point that since such a simple verifying step eluded you, you must not know who I am. I encourage you to click the link in my bio and listen to some of my music. Hours of entertainment await you, I promise. 2. In regard to the concern that I don't have a business plan....business plans are for people who need to earn ISK to make payments. As I explained earlier, this is not my intent. The only ISK that your money is going to generate is from a few missions. I don't NEED a business plan. If I were to liquidate my assets today, I could cover my 150,000,000,000 payout. As someone else pointed out the obvious, the whole reason for this IPO is that selling rare and precious things sucks. "Man, I'd really like to officer fit a Paladin! Who wants to buy my officer fit Guardian-Vexor? Who wants to pay me at least as much as I paid for this officer fit Vindicator? Oh oh! Lets liquidate my carrier tanking Dominix. I'd rather see Entity have these treasures that I've spent years and tears putting together; he'll appreciate them and I'll know that my pets are taken care of when I'm gone. 3. In regard to people contacting me in real life: I'm a businessman, my cell phone number is on my business card, which I give to strangers every single day. I'm free with both my e-mail and my phone number. 4. In regard to me walking away with 50 billion ISK: All I can really say is, "lol, really?" Trading my reputation for 50 billion ISK? Amongst other things, I've founded a trillion ISK per year business, which I built, nutured, and when I left Eve the first time, sold to Selene to take care of in my absence. I've funded alliance expansions into 0.0, Titan projects, been 3rd party for massive exchanges (although I don't advertise).... And probably most relevant, if you've ever listened to Eve Radio, or passed through DCMI, or been in the OOP forums, I donate and give away billions, tens of billions of ISK for contests, events, fundraisers, and most importantly, helping new players get on their feet in Eve. Like I said originally, I'm not going to build a resume of myself to try establishing credibility - all you need to is look around an do some research. And finally, I'm running out the door to take my wife to work then headed to our new house to get utilities turned on, but I'll sort out new payments when I get home tonight. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To

Bad Bobby Ugly Toys	Posted - 2009.09.16 11:25:00 - [61] Originally by: Curzon Dax And finally, I'm running out the door to take my wife to work then headed to our new house to get utilities turned on, but I'll sort out new payments when I get home tonight. Hopefully we'll be online at the same time and get a chance for a chat!
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2009.09.16 13:46:00 - [62] Invested 1 bn isk "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound
Magnu Stormhawk	Posted - 2009.09.16 14:04:00 - [63] Please reserve me 1 Billion Will transfer within next few hours.
Opfinder	Posted - 2009.09.16 15:07:00 - [64] Originally by: Opfinder Can i have a reservere for 5 billion ISK? will transfer the ISK when i get home around 17:30 (CET) 5 Billion transfered to Curzon Dax with reason IPO
flakeys Vanguard Frontiers Slightly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.09.16 15:28:00 - [65] Originally by: Jadun Originally by: Ambo Ok, this is one of the dumbest IPOs I've ever seen. You've got loads of shiny stuff that you're not using that's worth 150-200 bil. You want other people to give you 50 bil to pimp a Golem and a Paladin for... somthing, we have no idea what. In 6 months to a year, Entity gets hold of your char, buys all the items (effectively from himself) and gives the proceeds to investors. You won't sell your own stuff to raise the cash to do this despite the fact that there is no reason not to do so. You don't say what the ships are for. You say your stuff will not get blown up. This is Eve, unless you're just going to look at it in a hanger then there is always a chance. Clearly the only reason people would invest in this is your rep (and entity's) and the amazing returns on offer. Only trouble is, it makes absolutely no fricking sense. Massive returns promised + a 'plan' that makes no sense = warning flags. For what it's worth, I really don't believe you're aiming to scam or anything. Best of luck to investors I guess. you are too dumb for words, but i will give it a try. Such a statement says more in my books about you then ambo. Allthough i don't feel this is a scam purely going on someones 'rep' ingame has proved a wrong discission in the past or is your memory faiding that fast? There does not allways have to be a 'reason' to do something and obviously the OP just wants to go out with a blast.Be it a 50 bille scam or a super IPO time will tell.
Jhebbal Khan	Posted - 2009.09.16 15:29:00 - [66] I'll throw in 3 bil. Wiring the isk shortly. Jhebbal
Estella Vance	Posted - 2009.09.16 15:37:00 - [67] 1 bil. sent already. Cheers!
Gareth Montesque	Posted - 2009.09.16 15:49:00 - [68] 5 billion reserved for Gareth montesque
brutoid Caldari	Posted - 2009.09.16 15:59:00 - [69] Seems like David Brent has 'reached out and touched many people'
Promethian child Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.09.16 16:01:00 - [70] ISK has been wired to your account as stated earlier. Ow BTW. will you make a IPO song now ?

Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 16:20:00 - [71] Originally by: Promethian child ISK has been wired to your account as stated earlier. Ow BTW. will you make a IPO song now ? Only if it was funny. >< I'm halfway done with my parody of White and Nerdy My lyrics still need some fine-tuning and Dodiez thinks that they all need to rhyme, while I was going for an Eminem like "story." Here's the lyrics so far... They see me ganking a carebear I know they're all thinking I'm an evil pirate Think I'm just an evil pirate Think I'm just an evil pirate Can't you see I'm an evil pirate Look at me I'm an evil pirate. I wanna roll with The carebears But so far they all think I'm an evil pirate Think I'm just an evil pirate Think I'm just an evil pirate I'm just an evil pirate Really just an evil pirate (30 seconds); every thing is 8 beats Lets team up and go mission run Don't worry about my security status It was an accident from a 1 on 1 Just kill some rats its so much fun And the bounty on my head it was just a joke from a rich friend leaving when I had to revoke his corp roles he's trying to avoid these jerks who wardecced us, you know how that works Don't worry about that warning that I'm at war Its a wardec from a scammer in a one man corp No way its my alt and you can just ignore That ship warping in,lets just mission ***** After that, I've been thinking about that "Banker Went Down to Jita" parody. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Doomed Predator The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.09.16 16:33:00 - [72] You'll be back, they always come back.... The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again
Yarinor	Posted - 2009.09.16 16:40:00 - [73] Have I gotten this straight, you get the isk for your dream ships, play for 6 months hand over your char to a 3rd party which then sells all the stuff and divides isk?
Thorexion Lynch Gallente Divine Retribution	Posted - 2009.09.16 16:58:00 - [74] Wanna invest 1 bill, isk sent
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 17:05:00 - [75] Originally by: Yarinor Have I gotten this straight, you get the isk for your dream ships, play for 6 months hand over your char to a 3rd party which then sells all the stuff and divides isk? Sort of. I already have most of my dream ships. I'll never get a Federate Issue Megathron - back when I was rich, I offered Entity 400 billion for it, and he told me to sit on it and rotate. This IPO is so that I can get my last dream ships (Golem and Paladin) although folks are telling me I need to do a nightmare instead of a Golem. I'll have to look into it. Yes, I hand over my character to a 3rd party (Entity). I chose him because I believe he's the richest player in Eve, and least likely to scam someone, and would also appreciate my collection. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Dodgy Past Amarr Lollipops for Rancors	Posted - 2009.09.16 17:42:00 - [76] You wouldn't want to miss the nightmare. Though if you look over the buffs to all of the faction ships you might take a lot longer to leave than you planned. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dzil Caldari Sausage Banking	Posted - 2009.09.16 17:50:00 - [77] Originally by: Curzon Dax After that, I've been thinking about that "Banker Went Down to Jita" parody. For the record, change the lyrics around as needed, I wrote that at like 4a.m. Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
Bad Bobby Ugly Toys	Posted - 2009.09.16 17:57:00 - [78] Originally by: Curzon Dax although folks are telling me I need to do a nightmare instead of a Golem. My evil influence has been detected. Seriously man, I love Nightmares so much I have two of them and three crystal set pilots to fly them. Under current stats, the Nightmare is the pwnage and if you intend to quit prior to the new faction ships being introduced then it is the best ship for you to lay your hands on now. Anyway, if I didn't manage to convince you in our convo earlier, then may I suggest you look up some EVE vids of Nightmare action that may persuade you? For example, the DHB WildCat videos. Burning Eve 4 Burning Eve 5
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 18:25:00 - [79] Edited by: Curzon Dax on 16/09/2009 18:27:20 Hey folks! Just made an update. I've got 34.6 billion ISK filled, leaving 15.4 billion left to be invested. I also just realized that I've got another 20-3 billion worth of assets on my second account, which hasn't been activated in quite some time; I petitioned to get it active for a day so I can buy a plex, then I'm going to liquidate the main character there for ISK. I haven't talked to Dodiez yet, but we both have two accounts; her second account is a freighter pilot, and I'll find out if she wants to sell her stuff off too. EDIT I believe that sellers have to pay transfer fees, and I guess I can't just sign over an account to someone? Even with a petition? Anyone know more about that? If someone was interested in specifically obtaining either a freighter pilot or a wtfbbq awesome Command ship pilot (with 12 million SP in leadership, Command ships L5, the whole works) I'd rather just give someone the account than have to shell out $20 to sell it to someone for ISK. Anyone with clarification on that? -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Genrath	Posted - 2009.09.16 18:29:00 - [80] Hay guise, im leaving eve and after being pro at trading I got 150b to give away. Send me anything x 100mill and I'll give you back 3x in one year. Havent I heard this before?

Alice Celadon	Posted - 2009.09.16 18:44:00 - [81] 5 Billion sent o/
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 18:56:00 - [82] Edited by: Curzon Dax on 16/09/2009 18:58:26 Originally by: Genrath Hay guise, im leaving eve and after being pro at trading I got 150b to give away. Send me anything x 100mill and I'll give you back 3x in one year. Havent I heard this before? Woot! My first alt troll showing up to make a pointless post. I'd been surprised that no turds had shown up yet to flame, you definitely just completed my day. No MD thread would be complete without at least one troll. EDIT While I'm at it, if anyone has an Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field or two....please get in touch. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Fleshbot	Posted - 2009.09.16 18:59:00 - [83] Edited by: Fleshbot on 16/09/2009 19:01:03 Originally by: Curzon Dax I haven't talked to Dodiez yet, but we both have two accounts; her second account is a freighter pilot, and I'll find out if she wants to sell her stuff off too. EDIT I believe that sellers have to pay transfer fees, and I guess I can't just sign over an account to someone? Even with a petition? Anyone know more about that? If someone was interested in specifically obtaining either a freighter pilot or a wtfbbq awesome Command ship pilot (with 12 million SP in leadership, Command ships L5, the whole works) I'd rather just give someone the account than have to shell out $20 to sell it to someone for ISK. Anyone with clarification on that? I'd be happy to take that account off your hands sir. I will be contacting you in game in a few hours on how to arrange that in order to circumvent you need to pay $20 out of you pocket (and without breaking the TOS of course). Also does this -> Originally by: Curzon Dax I've got 34.6 billion ISK filled, leaving 15.4 billion left to be invested. I also just realized that I've got another 20-3 billion worth of assets on my second account, which hasn't been activated in quite some time; I petitioned to get it active for a day so I can buy a plex, then I'm going to liquidate the main character there for ISK. mean you don't need any more is? Otherwise I would like to reserve 500M
TraderAlt 3104989531	Posted - 2009.09.16 19:08:00 - [84] Originally by: Ambo Clearly the only reason people would invest in this is your rep (and entity's) and the amazing returns on offer. Only trouble is, it makes absolutely no fricking sense. Massive returns promised + a 'plan' that makes no sense = warning flags. I do no believe this is a scam but the warning flags oh my! Some question that pop into my head (but you should feel free to ignore) 1) Why doesn't entity just give you the 50B, he's the richest player in eve and obviously you trust each other? 2) We need to trust you AND we need to trust Entity. Which means you could rip us off, give everything to Entity or he could rip up off after you give everything to him, and neither of you would be harmed in the plot, which again makes me wonder why not just use option #1, get the money form entity. 3) You've done everything else in eve...except scam?!?
Entity X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence	Posted - 2009.09.16 20:20:00 - [85] Originally by: TraderAlt 3104989531 Originally by: Ambo Clearly the only reason people would invest in this is your rep (and entity's) and the amazing returns on offer. Only trouble is, it makes absolutely no fricking sense. Massive returns promised + a 'plan' that makes no sense = warning flags. I do no believe this is a scam but the warning flags oh my! Some question that pop into my head (but you should feel free to ignore) 1) Why doesn't entity just give you the 50B, he's the richest player in eve and obviously you trust each other? 2) We need to trust you AND we need to trust Entity. Which means you could rip us off, give everything to Entity or he could rip up off after you give everything to him, and neither of you would be harmed in the plot, which again makes me wonder why not just use option #1, get the money form entity. 3) You've done everything else in eve...except scam?!? 1. Because I don't have spare ISK lying around at the moment. I am keeping my ISK to finance the acquisition of the Freki and Mimir tournament prize ships. 2. Correct. The general idea is not to invest if you think you'll get ripped off. Dunno about #3. _ Got Item? \| EVE API?
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2009.09.16 21:02:00 - [86] I have a desire to invest in this surefire scheme. But at the moment I am a bit short cause I have lent all my ISK to a nice lady from Nigeria who needed the money to pay some fees so that the estate of her late husband can be released. If someone could lend me some ISK so I can invest in Curzon's scheme I would be more than grateful. I am willing use my pimped up Velator and Cap Recharger I BPC as collatoral for the loan.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 21:11:00 - [87] Hey Banana! I haven't seen you since I was running the Battleship championship and I offered you 5 billion ISK for free if you'd be willing to meet me in space and defeat me in a 1v1. If I recall correctly, you said that you were much too busy. Less forums and smacktalk, more gameplay, you'll be less busy. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Treelox Amarr Evolution	Posted - 2009.09.16 21:19:00 - [88] Originally by: Curzon Dax EDIT I believe that sellers have to pay transfer fees, and I guess I can't just sign over an account to someone? Even with a petition? Anyone know more about that? If someone was interested in specifically obtaining either a freighter pilot or a wtfbbq awesome Command ship pilot (with 12 million SP in leadership, Command ships L5, the whole works) I'd rather just give someone the account than have to shell out $20 to sell it to someone for ISK. Anyone with clarification on that? There is no "legal" way to give an account to another player, who is not family living under the same roof as you. For a trade to be "legal" in the eyes of CCP, you the seller of a character(not account), must pay a $20 per character transfer fee. There is no way around this according to the EULA and TOS, as put forth by CCP. Not to say that people do not break this rule all the time, but you asked for clarification on the "legal" way. --
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 21:21:00 - [89] Originally by: Fleshbot mean you don't need any more is? Otherwise I would like to reserve 500M I'm selling my other character (and possibly Dodiez' stuff) because the 50 billion I'm raising here probably isn't going to be adequate to officer fit a Golem if I'm including Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Fields on it, so I'm trying to pad my purchasing power. Those cost about 15 billion ISK, and buying two of them on a budget of just 50 billion would leave me 20 billion to do everything else. Look me up when you're free - for the time being, I've sent in a petition asking to activate my second account for a day so that I can stick a plex on it. it appears that I can't even get a limited API key for an inactive account so that I can see what it has trained on it. >< -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Ze'dex Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2009.09.16 21:33:00 - [90] Curzon, May I reserve 8b worth for the next 8hrs? ISK will be sent when I get home. Thanks! Ze'dex

mechtech Entropy Industries	Posted - 2009.09.16 21:38:00 - [91] 1.9B sent.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 21:46:00 - [92] Sure; if my IPO fills up before then, I'll either discuss with you refunding it, or re-examine how plausible it would be to include it. I chose 50 billion vs 150 billion in assets because even if the market for ludicrously rare and expensive stuff tanks and for some reason a Chelm's Modified Cap Recharger for example only worth 5 billion, I'll still be able to cover 150 billion. I haven't taken into account my wife's assets or either of our second accounts for this, which I will need to - we talked today, and she said that she's done. :( Done as in, not playing anymore, even for the next few months. I think I explained this elsewhere, but that's part of the reason I'm leaving; she doesn't want to play Eve anymore, and we're a team. Several characters coming up for sale here in the near future. >< -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Bad Bobby Ugly Toys	Posted - 2009.09.16 22:06:00 - [93] Originally by: Treelox Originally by: Curzon Dax EDIT I believe that sellers have to pay transfer fees, and I guess I can't just sign over an account to someone? Even with a petition? Anyone know more about that? If someone was interested in specifically obtaining either a freighter pilot or a wtfbbq awesome Command ship pilot (with 12 million SP in leadership, Command ships L5, the whole works) I'd rather just give someone the account than have to shell out $20 to sell it to someone for ISK. Anyone with clarification on that? There is no "legal" way to give an account to another player, who is not family living under the same roof as you. For a trade to be "legal" in the eyes of CCP, you the seller of a character(not account), must pay a $20 per character transfer fee. There is no way around this according to the EULA and TOS, as put forth by CCP. Not to say that people do not break this rule all the time, but you asked for clarification on the "legal" way. Rubbish. You can do it the CCP way and then wire transfer the 20 back to the seller. Provided you trust eachother for the 20, you're fine. No animals harmed in the making of this trade.
Spectre Wraith Darwin Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 22:44:00 - [94] Posting for posts sake. 1b sent.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 22:55:00 - [95] Those of you with "reserve" ISK... If you don't fill your reserve soon, I'm going to have to discount your reserves because the bond is almost full, and I don't want to tell someone that they can't invest because someone else has reserved some. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Hemmo Paskiainen Gallente	Posted - 2009.09.16 22:56:00 - [96] 6b send, better dont scam me or i get mad
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.16 23:04:00 - [97] Hemmo, you're good - you're the reason I posted just now. Counting your six billion ISK, if everyone who has asked me to reserve ISK puts in their allotment, I've got 5 billion or so left open. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
apostrophee	Posted - 2009.09.16 23:15:00 - [98] Don't really know anyone here, my gut says this is good, but LOLOLOL Quote: Curzon: Hai gais! I'm quitting EVE for good. Not now silly, in 6 to 12 months. Anywayz, I need 50 billions, and although I have 150 bill in assets I can't find a buyer, except for Entity, who won't buy em. You can trust me cause my rep is meaningless as I am quitting EVE for good. Quote: Entity: Hai gais! I'm uber rich. Not now silly, in 6 to 12 months. Confirming I will buy all the uber ships but I dun has ISKIES to buy them. Quote: pplz: Smells like a scam. Quote: Curzon: It's not a scam, not now silly, in 6 to 12 months. Proof - my friend Seleene has trillionz of isks thanks to me, but can't lend me 50 bills, well not now silly.
Axearm Thunk'um	Posted - 2009.09.16 23:44:00 - [99] Edited by: Axearm Thunk''um on 16/09/2009 23:45:03 I wish I had the ISK, sounds like a good return and from trusted sources. 50 billion ain't what it used to be.
apostrophee	Posted - 2009.09.17 00:16:00 - [100] Don't really know anyone here, my gut says this is good, but this is exactly a "I'm quitting EVE and giving away all my stuff, send me isk I send back tripple" situation. Quote: Curzon: Hai gais! I'm quitting EVE for good. Not now silly, in 6 to 12 months. Anywayz, I need 50 billions, and although I have 150 bill in assets I can't find a buyer, except for Entity, who won't buy em. You can trust me cause my rep is meaningless as I am quitting EVE for good. Quote: Entity: Hai gais! I'm uber rich. Not now silly, in 6 to 12 months. Confirming I will buy all the uber ships but I dun has ISKIES to buy them. Quote: pplz: Smells like a scam. Quote: Curzon: It's not a scam, not now silly, in 6 to 12 months. Proof - my friend Seleene has trillionz of isks thanks to me, but can't lend me 50 bills, well not now silly.

Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.17 01:01:00 - [101] Originally by: apostrophee trolling Reported for violation of the forum rules. Good day sir. Last time I quit Eve, I gave away a bit over 800 billion ISK, which is why my liquid reserves are nonexistent. This time, I'd like to accomplish a dream before leaving. You're welcome to not take part, the bond is almost full without your help. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
apostrophee	Posted - 2009.09.17 01:16:00 - [102] Not reeeally trolling as such, I just think it's humorous. As mentioned though, personally I think this is legit, and wish you well in your endeavours. Yourself and some of the other high rollers posting here give this a lot of credit, I just find it funny that this essentially is a "quiting, send me isk ..." scenario. You're the parody man, kick back and have a chuckle, not like I am going to ruin this for you.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.17 02:00:00 - [103] Ah, I see. If you weren't aware, the alliance tournament is going on right now. At the conclusion of it, some lucky winners will be awarded unique ships. I'm not sure that Entity wants me disclosing his finances, so I won't, but he's saving his ISK to purchase the ships coming out of the alliance championship. As for my own progenitors...I've inquired around (I had hoped on making this a solo venture with a silent partner), but ISK is tight right now because of projects that people are working on. I could wait (and have been offered a variety of things in a matter of weeks and months) but I'm impatient, and always have been. I've never made an IPO before, I've always had more than enough ISK to buy everything in Eve twice (before I left the first time) and never needed anyones' help with anything. In fact, all my community involvement has always been me giving away ISK. A billion ISk to write some song lyrics, a billion ISK to find a karaoke backtrack, a billion ISK radio donation, 10 billion ISK to fund a contest, stuff like that - so thought I'd try something new. Anyway, thanks for posting. :) -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Entity X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence	Posted - 2009.09.17 02:25:00 - [104] Originally by: apostrophee The richest person in EVE can't buy the assets right now. There is a lot of mention of trillions of ISK, but the richest person can't find 50 bill. Now that is equivalent to me having a billion and not being able to find 50 mill spare. Oh yes, it's quite hard to imagine that a collector with a collection this big actually spends his ISK to buy all that! (I bought another Tribal Tempest recently, too) As several people have said before, me being involved offers no security. Whether I can fulfill my end of the deal relies exclusively on Curzon. _ Got Item? \| EVE API?
apostrophee	Posted - 2009.09.17 02:34:00 - [105] Well the numbers never add up to me. 10 bill to a trillionare is 10 mill to a billionare. It's something you would hardly notice. And being worth a billion and not being able to scrounge 50mill is hard to conceive of, similarly when that is scaled to a trillion. Scam or not, you say you will return 150bill, not the 150+50 you will be worth, so hopefully that means you will be making some pretty sexy pvp vids for us paupers to drool over
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.17 02:40:00 - [106] No, there will be no explosions. I'm honestly worth more than 150 billion. And I've explained this before in this thread...Entity is getting the rest. Entity is getting very well paid for this. :) -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Mephistocles Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2009.09.17 02:53:00 - [107] 1B sent earlier today. Have fun with your retirement, Curzon.
Alice Celadon	Posted - 2009.09.17 03:07:00 - [108] Originally by: apostrophee Edited by: apostrophee on 17/09/2009 02:39:50 Well the numbers never add up to me. 10 bill to a trillionare is 10 mill to a billionare. It's something you would hardly notice. And being worth a billion and not being able to scrounge 50mill is hard to conceive of, similarly when that is scaled to a trillion. Scam or not, you say you will return 150bill, not the 150+50 you will be worth, so hopefully that means you will be making some pretty sexy pvp vids for us paupers to drool over Edit - saw entity's post Guess I can understand you have available ISK earmarked for something you likely don't know the exact price of, and also that you spend your ISK pretty hard, but apparently 50bill is no big deal to the MD elite. Just calling it as I see it. I can't be certain, because I'm not yet in the hundreds of billions range, just the tens of billions, but I think here's where your ideas might be skewed: A toon who has a few billion isk on hand has that few billion isk because it's easily and understandably spendable all in one spot ("if I feel like a faction fit chimera tomorrow, I can go get it"). A toon with tens of billions of isk in assets will actually only have a few billion to at most ten billion in wallet, because they're busy leveraging every spare isk in the investments and methods that got them tens of billions. So for instance when I wanted to buy a 60m+ sp uber pvp toon, I had to stop reinvesting a few streams of isk for a week or so. (People without that one week turnover would have to wait longer.) When I was worth around 10 bil, I had 2 bil in isk...20% of my value. Now I have about 10% of my value in isk. I imagine if I ever get to a trillion, that I'll only hold at most 100bil on hand...but probably I won't (why would I???). Remember, CCP has recently stated that there's only 260 trillion isk in circulation, and only about 150 trillion of that on actually active accounts. If you start assuming that the 200-500+ super-wealthy denizens of eve keep fat multi-trillion isk billfolds on hand...that means the rest of us have nothing. Given that my wallet isn't empty, I'll assume they hold their value in rare, costly, and vast quantities of items. Which brings me to my final point: have you ever tried to liquidate a meta14 item at a reasonable price? Go head over to the sell order forum and check out how many bumps the current Chelm's items are taking to get sold. It sounds like Curzon wants to have a bit of fun and doesn't want the hassle of selling his old stuff (maybe wants to take it out for a last run anyway).
Mattk50 Caldari House Maadiah	Posted - 2009.09.17 03:19:00 - [109] is this still going on, and do you have any more free space? id like to contribute a few hundred mil, although im a little concerned about weather or not it will actually pay out. (LOL i was listening to "isk isk baby" while reading this thread)
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.17 03:39:00 - [110] Edited by: Curzon Dax on 17/09/2009 03:40:09 There's about 8 billion left open, and a few billion in "reserve" that people have claimed they were going to invest, but haven't yet - at this point, its first come, first serve. Almost done! :) EDIT Linkage Hopefully I'll start seeing shinies. :) -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To

Miyuki Suzumiya	Posted - 2009.09.17 03:59:00 - [111] reserve 500M. Isk will be sent tonight.
Alice Celadon	Posted - 2009.09.17 04:00:00 - [112] sent 4bil more
Ze'dex Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2009.09.17 04:06:00 - [113] I sent 8b, I believe it was before the others did, but not sure tbh. Just let me know. :) Ze
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.17 04:37:00 - [114] Eve appears to have crashed; I relogged and I'm in the queue. I've got to head to bed, but I'll see about sorting this out in the morning. The 8 billion should fill out the 8 billion left open, and the 4 billion should put me at 49-51 billion depending on the reserved people. Took 24 hours to raise 50 billion, I appreciate the support folks! Now find your friends with the officer mods I need and get them to sell them to me. =) In the grand scheme of things, I'm not sure how buying the Golem's shield fittings are going to go - I know how expensive Estamel's fittings are, and if I could get a petition answered to reactive my account, I could start liquidating other characters (3 total between Dodiez and myself, not including Curzon). I'm slightly worried about whether 50 billion will cover pimping a Golem and a paladin, but I'd like to think that I'll get quite a bit from selling the alts. I'm tempted to say that I'd be willing to extend my offer a bit higher, but I'm hesitant - I know I can cover 150 billion easily (guardian vexor + My vindicator and fittings + kronos and fittings) + the 50 billion I just raised is 150 billion, and that leaves an officer fitted dominix, an officer fitted scorpion, a very fat faction fit Hyperion, Abaddon, best faction fit Myrmidon, freighter, faction fit Arazu, my precious lachesis, a bunch of other tech2 fitted ships...a large container full of faction and officer mods that I don't know the value of anymore (Hakim's Modified Webber anyone? Are officer NOS still worth anything?), and a bunch of station containers full of libraries of tech1 and tech2 gear (not to mention my BPOs), and I still need to liquidate the characters aside from Curzon. I suppose I'll leave that one up to you folks, the investors. I want to make sure I get estamel's on the Golem, and realize my budget here is stretched. =p I'm not really worried about not being able to cover it, but I'd probably have to sit down with someone who knows the prices of things (not an officer gear reseller you turds who want to sell me things for far more than they're worth) and see exactly what I can cover. At this point, I'd say use your own judgement; if I'm beyond my means, I'll issue refunds beyond the 50 billion mark and post a cease and desist. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Ambo I've Got Nothing	Posted - 2009.09.17 07:30:00 - [115] Curzon, I have a large quantity of liquid cash right now and I'd be willing to cover any extra isk you might need if you would be willing to give me approx equal value ship+fittings as collateral (I'd leave it in the hanger and swap it back for my investment + interest at the end) Is this something that you would be interested in? If so then send me an eve-mail or something and we can work out the specifics. --------------------------------------
Conwakleferibok	Posted - 2009.09.17 07:41:00 - [116] Originally by: Ambo Ok, this is one of the dumbest IPOs I've ever seen. You've got loads of shiny stuff that you're not using that's worth 150-200 bil. You want other people to give you 50 bil to pimp a Golem and a Paladin for... somthing, we have no idea what. In 6 months to a year, Entity gets hold of your char, buys all the items (effectively from himself) and gives the proceeds to investors. You won't sell your own stuff to raise the cash to do this despite the fact that there is no reason not to do so. You don't say what the ships are for. You say your stuff will not get blown up. This is Eve, unless you're just going to look at it in a hanger then there is always a chance. Clearly the only reason people would invest in this is your rep (and entity's) and the amazing returns on offer. Only trouble is, it makes absolutely no fricking sense. Massive returns promised + a 'plan' that makes no sense = warning flags. For what it's worth, I really don't believe you're aiming to scam or anything. Best of luck to investors I guess.
Clara Mismer Minmatar Gulfonodi Industries	Posted - 2009.09.17 10:05:00 - [117] If your not full - it looks like you might be ill take whatever is left or 2B worth - just let me know how much if any is available.
AnakieNine	Posted - 2009.09.17 10:15:00 - [118] There was a nice pimped out golem on contracts last month for 75 bil. Unfortanately I cant remember the name and have no idea if it sold. Someone else on the forums might.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.17 11:14:00 - [119] I saw a pimped out Golem in the WTS forums for lotto tickets, but I think that was a scam. I haven't looked on contracts though. As for a collateral loan; if it came down to that despite all my efforts, I would use someone whose name I've heard before. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Wabbel	Posted - 2009.09.17 12:13:00 - [120] Congratulation to the IPO and hopefully, you will be able to enjoy your bucket list.

Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.17 16:02:00 - [121] For those of you who were interested, I've got my second account reactivated so that I can sell my character there. Auction Thread for those of you interested in a 48m SP specialized command ship pilot. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Promethian child Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.09.17 22:52:00 - [122] Just to be a boring little **** can we have a confirmation of isk sent and accepted by those that made it into this ipo ? Also congrats on filling it if you need any additional funds not exceeding gargantuan amounts let me know and i might be able to fill it
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.18 03:10:00 - [123] I'm not bored; if Dodiez saw me typing this she'd freak out - we're frantically doing last minute packing, then moving out of our apartment tomorrow morning/day/night to our new house! I'll be offline for a day or two unfortunately getting set back up. When I have a chance, I'll go through my spreadsheet at least, and get confirmations out to everyone in case there's a worry - hadn't thought about it, good idea. :) See you guys in a couple of days. Also, I'm still accepting ISK under my extended attempt to fund Estamel's Modified Invul fields; 20 billion max. If I have more than that when I come back, I will send it back (outside my comfort zone), and if I raise nothing, then I'll sell a couple things to buy at least one, as distasteful as that is. Any investment in that category still falls into the payout boundaries for my IPO. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Promethian child Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.09.18 17:38:00 - [124] Bumping with another 4 bill. And to you naysayers if the ipo fails we can consider this royalties for some awesome songs
MOS DEF 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.09.18 20:01:00 - [125] 5 bill sent. (damn you prom ;) ) ___
Corsair Blade	Posted - 2009.09.18 23:40:00 - [126] 1 bill sent.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.19 00:54:00 - [127] Hey folks! Moved into the new house (not unpacked yet) but have the laptop (no Eve) up to at least make a post. Presuming that there was 10 billion ISK invested here (can't get into Eve to check right now), I'll get you guys into my spreadsheet; I'm only willing to take 10 more beyond that, so if you want to participate, hop in. If I get more than 10 more, unfortunately, I'll be sending it back - once desks get unpacked and set up, and computers get on them, I'll get a formal update. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.20 03:30:00 - [128] /me is still unpacking! For those of you who care and are awaiting eventual fittings / screenshots - I have buy orders open on contracts for certain modules, and acquired an Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field this evening from someone who got a lucky drop! One step closer to the dream Golem fitting! -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.21 03:55:00 - [129] I refunded some ISK today - had one person tell me that they needed to buy plexes, and another that they had lost their dreadnought and needed to replace it. Kind of disappointing, but I'll roll with it. I have buy orders up for some officer mods (Chelm/Draclira Cap Rechargers / EANMs) and just sent out a bunch of mails to find out if anyone knows where any Chelm or Draclira Modified Tachyon Beam lasers can be found. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Tvaishk Suzuki Long Night Industries	Posted - 2009.09.23 21:23:00 - [130] 100 mil sent, this certainly sounds interesting, Good luck with getting everything. --- Lieutenant, Mixed Metaphor Appliance Man

Gaius Xellex	Posted - 2009.09.24 03:16:00 - [131] I'm glad that I'm in...
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2009.09.24 06:07:00 - [132] Sendt another 1B "Subtlety is a thing for philosophy, not combat. If you're going to kill someone, you might as well kill them a whole lot." - Vulcan Raven, The Last Days Of Foxhound
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.24 10:24:00 - [133] I think that fills me up finally! cheers Update for those who care: I've gotten a Paladin and about half the fittings for my Paladin and my Golem to date. I haven't sorted out complete fittings yet; I was hoping for Chelm Tachyons, but they seem to be too rare to feasibly do within my time limit; even Entity doesn't have a set. :( I haven't considered missile launchers on the Golem yet either; CPU is always the issue, and I haven't had a chance to EFT warrior around and see what I can come up with yet. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Turiel Demon Minmatar Shadow Reapers	Posted - 2009.09.24 17:11:00 - [134] Didn't put it up here before but my 2.5b are also in heh Now lets see if we can make things easier for Curzon by searching for the officer mods he needs this ISK to buy: Curzon's WTB thread Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.24 19:55:00 - [135] Yep, I pegged you Turiel; you're 8th from the last on my spreadsheet, which in no way reflects your actual standing in life or Eve. I thought I posted my WTB on the first post I made? And honest offer, I'll pay a finder's fee if someone spams alliance or corp chat and turns up someone who sells me a module I'm after. Get to hunting! -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Promethian child Amarr 0utbreak	Posted - 2009.09.26 01:09:00 - [136] So as i understand it you are still have a window open for 20 bill ?
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.26 03:32:00 - [137] I had announced a secondary window in order to cover another Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field. 50 billion doesn't go very far when you're talking about mods that cost ~20 billion ISK. I'm not going to gimp my ability to pimp a Paladin and a Golem for a single mod though, so put the secondary offering out there. I sat down and talked with Entity and its an easy matter to cover it (ahem For example, when I bought my guardian vexors three years ago they were 4 billion....and they are now apparently 25 billion....). I've put it out there, but haven't really had any interest expressed. I can readily cover it if someone wants it, and will gladly put another Estamel's Modified Invul Field on my Golem. Whether I get it or not is up to you, the investors. :) -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Spectre Wraith Darwin Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.26 08:15:00 - [138] Not to get overly technical, or pesty, bt if you could possibly send confirmations out or if easier, link to your spreadsheet. And more updates on the total fittings of both the marauders with videos attached.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.26 12:15:00 - [139] I thought I did. >< blinks blearily As for video, I've never used fraps before, and am not sure its worth sorting it out for this, but I can certainly put fitting link work in progresses into my bio. Here's what I have so far: Paladin: I have a thread over in ships and modules about Officer Tachyons and Faction ammo vs Tech2 Tachyons and Tech2 ammmo (Aurora) and which actually kicks more ass for missions. I don't have a clear answer. >< For everything but lasers apparently its a clear cut win for officer gear. Compounding that issue is a distinct lack of Officer Tachyons to even try it out. Entity doesn't have even a Marauder set of Chelm/Draclira Tachyons, and I went through Eve-search and sent an Evemail to everyone who may have bought or sold one or the other in the last two years. The end result was exactly one guy with a Draclira's Tachyon asking for 4 billion ISK. I told him I'd consider 4 billion ISK if he had 4 of them to offer me at the same time; while I'd pay for convenience I'm not paying him 4 billion ISK so that the next person who gets one can tell me that they want 5 billion for it. I may end up having to put Tech2 on it anyway. I've got 2x Chelm's Modified Cap Rechargers for it, and I purchased 2x Meta 14 Heat sinks. My Kronos fitting/tank calls for 2x Magnetic Field Stabilizers + 5 slots of tank, so I'm planning on probably giving the Paladin the same allowances. I acquired both the 2x Heat sinks and a Cormack's Modified Sensor Booster (Meta 14) with the help of someone who shall remain anonymous for now (although he knows how awesome he is). Also, since everyone says that a Paladin melts battleships at range incredibly fast, I'm pondering trying 3x heat sinks and a 4 slot tank, 2-3 of them being Meta 14 EANMs and a LAR. I was in negotiation for a LAR over in the sell formums; Zarazaa(?) has a thread with 2 pages of officer and faction mods for sale. I purchased their Estamel's Modified Large Shield Booster for a mint, but everything else (including Meta 14 hardeners and the LAR) seem to be significantly overpriced. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Golem: I haven't fiddled with this too much yet because I need to EFT warrior this out, and I haven't priced out missile launchers yet. I have an Estamel's modified invulnerability field, and need to see how this thread plays out for allowing a second one. I bought an Estamel's Modified Large Shield Booster yesterday, and intend to stick a Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier in there. There may be a Meta 14 Cap recharger that goes into the mid slots depending on how the mid-slot battle plays out with my efforts to get another Invul Field. I haven't considered missiles yet (obviously going to be cruise launchers), but I don't know what kind, or what I'm going to be able to afford (depending on how this pans out). As for lowslots, a couple of PDS and a couple of BCUs are in the day, but I haven't EFT warriored those yet. I'm nearing completion on the Paladin and am focused more on that at the moment. I've been in constant chat with officer mod resellers, along with my own WTB thread and trolling eve-search and people who may have at one time owned one of anything I'm looking for. Stubbornness is starting to set in, and if I have to liquidate something to finish my fittings, I'll probably try selling one of my guardian-vexors. I only have one fit out (and yes, I fly ALL my ships, with precautions of course); I've had someone convo me about buying one anyway, and will see where that goes. In the meantime, I appear to have run out of characters. >< Everyone, please spam your alliance chat, alliance mail, everything; point them here or to my WTB thread in my first post. See if anyone has some of the shinies I'm after! :) Finder's fees will be assessed. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Spectre Wraith Darwin Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.26 20:20:00 - [140] Edited by: Spectre Wraith on 26/09/2009 20:23:15 If you use AIM (which I never do, rarely) I can um, send you a copy of a certain video capturing software that shall go unnamed. Edit - And I haven't seen a spread sheet posted in the original, if you posted it elsewhere. I may be missing it.

Corsair Blade	Posted - 2009.09.27 02:46:00 - [141] Edited by: Corsair Blade on 27/09/2009 02:46:25 well if you still got room i will stick in another bill 1 bill sent
Kalrand Charles Ponzi School of Business GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.09.29 08:55:00 - [142] Wow. So just how much have you vacuumed up so far?
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.29 18:31:00 - [143] Had 50, had 1.3 pull out to get refunded, had 1.3 put back in. Just had 8 billion pull out and refunded(shakes his fist at Ze'Dex). Before I clamor for attention on filling it, someone told me that one of his corp mates had wanted to invest in this before I filled up and closed the first time. I figured to give him a chance before I edit/modify my first post that I'm short. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.09.29 20:00:00 - [144] Under advice from another investor, I've updated my first post to reflect where my budget is instead of leaving it on page 5. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Turiel Demon Minmatar Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.09.30 09:59:00 - [145] Edited by: Turiel Demon on 30/09/2009 10:00:40 If you want some isk in a hurry, a Guardian Vexor just reached its 25 billion buyout within an hour... I bet you could get well over 30b in a day or two if you started an auction at around 15 with B/O at 40 or so Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature.
Rakilamarid	Posted - 2009.10.01 07:02:00 - [146] 1.5b sent sir
BTB DK The Nerfe Bat	Posted - 2009.10.01 11:07:00 - [147] Edited by: BTB DK on 01/10/2009 11:09:45 Edited by: BTB DK on 01/10/2009 11:09:27 Edited by: BTB DK on 01/10/2009 11:09:04 Curzon Dax We nead a new song from you and your wife plz ,lez us get 1
Jessicat	Posted - 2009.10.01 16:17:00 - [148] Sounds sweet, I'll throw 1B.
Coleostro	Posted - 2009.10.01 16:24:00 - [149] Sent 1B. Thank you.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.01 18:53:00 - [150] Edited by: Curzon Dax on 01/10/2009 18:54:22 Not selling shinies! =p I haven't logged into Eve, but if everyone here sent ISK, I should have 4.5 billion ISK left open. EDIT Although if anyone wants to buy a Guardian-Vexor for 40 billion...lemme know. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To

Matt Simon	Posted - 2009.10.01 20:30:00 - [151] Originally by: Curzon Dax Edited by: Curzon Dax on 01/10/2009 18:54:22 Not selling shinies! =p I haven't logged into Eve, but if everyone here sent ISK, I should have 4.5 billion ISK left open. EDIT Although if anyone wants to buy a Guardian-Vexor for 40 billion...lemme know. Question, you seem to rather spend other peoples money instead of liquidizing your own assets, why? Another question, why in the world do you believe your guardian vexor is worth 15b more then others?
Paul Clavet Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2009.10.01 20:59:00 - [152] Best "I'm quitting Eve and will double your ISK!" scam ever. I look forward to the threadnaught this will create when Curzon takes the money and declares himself the greatest scammer ever. Oh sure, sure, call me a troll and dismiss me. When you guys don't get your money back, I'm going to point back to this post and giggle with glee. ---- Blog: My Loot, Your Tears
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.01 21:19:00 - [153] Originally by: Matt Simon 1. Question, you seem to rather spend other peoples money instead of liquidizing your own assets, why? 2. Another question, why in the world do you believe your guardian vexor is worth 15b more then others? 1. I've answered this in my first post. 2. I don't. I was responding to someone in an earlier post who said I should sell a vexor for 40 billlion since a 25 billion buyout was met almost immediately on the last sale of one. I actually thought these were worth 5 billion (bought mine for 3, 3.7, and 4 billion respectively back in 2006), and had valued them as such for this IPO. I'm happy to call them 25 billion; although if a buyout for 25 goes so quickly, I'm sure they're worth at least 30 billion. And Paul...Curzon goes out in a blaze of glory stealing 50 billion ISK and declares himself the best scammer ever! scoffs While I do have a flair for liking attention (thus parodies, contests, events, even this IPO) pillaging 50 billion ISK from the Eve community would be rather anti-climatic. shrugs You're not the first person to show up in a thread I made about an event, contest, ISK-making opportunity and scream that its all going to go south one day and they can't wait to shout "I TOLD YOU SO!" Everyone is entitled to their opinion, worthless as it is sometimes, but I'd tell you not to hold your breath. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Korvix Valthonis Amarr	Posted - 2009.10.02 12:13:00 - [154] 300mil Sent. If there is still room to buyin after I get my weekly payout from corp I'll be sending more. -Fly Safe >:3
Neon Fury	Posted - 2009.10.02 14:38:00 - [155] I'll go in for 4bil. Mail me ingame or post here if it's available and i'll send the isk
Sofia Swift	Posted - 2009.10.03 10:57:00 - [156] lol im sorry but this whole thing is a scam... All the alts with the "1 bil sent" etc etc is a nice touch, but makes it obvious. Use better alts.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.03 13:13:00 - [157] Isn't it fun when an alt shows up to troll a thread and call other people alts? I give your trolling a 1.3 / 10 for style and....reported. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Sofia Swift	Posted - 2009.10.03 18:54:00 - [158] lol reported for what you noob. This isnt coad, I can be an alt in this forum and say whatever I want. You just don't like what I have to say about your little scam.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.03 19:09:00 - [159] Well, at the moment I can't find the forum rules. But there's a few things of note in there you'd find interesting - trolling is against the rules, making posts without anything constructive is against the rules, as is name calling or personal attacks. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Sofia Swift	Posted - 2009.10.03 19:10:00 - [160] My post is very constructive, its identifying your scam.. Just trying to save some people some ISKies.

Horchan Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.03 19:47:00 - [161] Forum Rules --- DesuSigs
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2009.10.03 20:19:00 - [162] You have stated that your shinies will not blow up, meaning they will only be sitting in your hangar. I would be willing to invest a few billion if you gave me assets worth an approximately equal amount, which would be returned at the end of the IPO. I can't see any reason not to do this, since you aren't using those assets. Let me know if you are interested.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.03 21:25:00 - [163] Kapila, there's only 4 billion ISK left to be in my IPO, which I presume Neon Fury here is going to take. If he doesn't someone else will. I'm not trying to get crazy at this point. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
apostrophee	Posted - 2009.10.04 08:13:00 - [164] Edited by: apostrophee on 04/10/2009 08:15:22 Originally by: Sofia Swift lol reported for what you noob. This isnt coad, I can be an alt in this forum and say whatever I want. You just don't like what I have to say about your little scam. Why does curzon do that? x below if he's had your posts deleted also why are they deleted and not edited [troll] style? man up curzon Edit, since I'm here: I see you poasting all over the place that every other IPO is a scam, please do tell why yours is not but all others are? And also why you are allowed to post "scam" and others not.
apostrophee	Posted - 2009.10.04 08:42:00 - [165] Originally by: Curzon Dax And an edit for fun because I'm presuming you were trolling and not being serious; in terms of collateral, exactly what is the value of an officer module? If I give you a Chelm's EANM as collateral, are you going to give me 4 billion ISK? 5 billion ISK? You certainly can't give me less than I paid for it (4 billion) because then you simply bought a cheap officer module that you can turn around and sell at profit. You can't give me 5 billion ISK because then I might just let you keep and and turn a billion ISK profit. Exactly how are you supposed to value my collateral? Well, all IPO's require some trust. Sometimes in a third party, but they can't happen without some trust. Basically what you are saying is that we can't trust you, and you can't trust us. There is no third party. So why invest again? Kapila is 100% right. You won't give your assets to a third party, we should just trust you because you once gave .1% of ur wealth away. Percentage wise, I've given away more than that. Trust me?
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2009.10.04 10:49:00 - [166] Originally by: Curzon Dax And an edit for fun because I'm presuming you were trolling and not being serious; in terms of collateral, exactly what is the value of an officer module? If I give you a Chelm's EANM as collateral, are you going to give me 4 billion ISK? 5 billion ISK? You certainly can't give me less than I paid for it (4 billion) because then you simply bought a cheap officer module that you can turn around and sell at profit. You can't give me 5 billion ISK because then I might just let you keep and and turn a billion ISK profit. Exactly how are you supposed to value my collateral? No, I was being serious. I said that the value of the collateral should be approximately equal to the value of the investment, meaning that I would be ok with somewhere between 4 and 5 billion isk in your example. Supposing it is worth 4B and I invest 5B, I have 80% collateral, which is still far better than 0%. Another option is to have collateral held by trusted third parties. This makes your argument less of a problem, because both you and I can trust the third parties.
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2009.10.04 10:55:00 - [167] Originally by: Curzon Dax And an edit for fun because I'm presuming you were trolling and not being serious Also, a comment on trolling. The forum rules state: Originally by: Forum Rules Trolling is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums. My post was definitely not designed to anger or insult anyone. It was intended to discuss the security of your investment and to potentially allow me to invest. I think you are falsely accusing many people of trolling.
Hemmo Paskiainen Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.04 12:00:00 - [168] if that neon fury doesnt go trough, im willing to invest another 4b ontop of my 7.2 already invested.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.04 12:15:00 - [169] Edited by: Curzon Dax on 04/10/2009 12:17:52 Hemmo, I stuck him in my address book, but he hasn't been on in the last two days since he made that post. First come first serve. Capila, the only reason I suggested that you might not be serious is because officer gear as collateral has always been a touchy issue lacking agreement between loaners and loanees. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
apostrophee	Posted - 2009.10.04 12:36:00 - [170] Edited by: apostrophee on 04/10/2009 12:42:56 Originally by: Curzon Dax Capila, the only reason I suggested that you might not be serious is because officer gear as collateral has always been a touchy issue lacking agreement between loaners and loanees. So someone wants to invest 4 bill, you want to return 12 bill. But you can't give them an officer mod as collateral because you can't decide whether said mod will fetch 4 or 5 bill on any given day? 1. You say you're worth 150bill, but you aren't willing to give this to a third party (or sell it). 2. You need another 50 bill to do some missions in an officer fit gollem (on meds or something?) 3. ??? 4. Scam a. give me 4 bill worth of **** and I'll give you 4 bill. this means a quick sale, and if you do quit and want to buy back that stuff for 8 or 12 bill then I will obviously sell it to you. can't for the life of me see how this is legit anymore.

Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.04 13:43:00 - [171] apostrophee, please stop trolling. I'm worth significantly more than 150 billion. You're a forum alt created specifically to troll posts as your history dictates, so I can't really justify spending time to respond to your inflammatory nature. You aren't a potential investor, and I'm not really worried about your opinion to be honest. Fly safe out there in your other threads. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Jessicat	Posted - 2009.10.04 17:38:00 - [172] I send ya 1 b the other day, if there's still room I'd like to put in another 2 billion, please send me ingame mail to confirm I can throw in some more and I'll transfer iskies. TYVM
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.04 17:59:00 - [173] Well, there's 4 billion still open, and two people promising to fill it; first come, first serve. =p -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Jessicat	Posted - 2009.10.04 19:06:00 - [174] 2 billion more from me. Iskies sent BTW could you tell us the reason why you leave New Eden?
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.04 19:46:00 - [175] I'm leaving Eve because I feel like there's nothing to do. I've done it all. Most of the activities in Eve revolve around generating ISK. The rest around killing other people. One day you've earned a lot of ISK, bought all the shiny toys, flew them, PvPed in them, and you realize that the only thing left to do that has any purpose is to PvP because there's no point doing any of the ISK generating stuff. And then while you're working on the PvP angle, you realize that PvP simply isn't fun. After years of "carebearing" it turns out that the PvPers of Eve are even bigger carebears, even more afraid of losing their pixels and digital ships than highsec people. And then you cajole people into PvPing, offering ludicrous sums of ISK for evenly matched fights just to get some kicks. And after that, you realize you've done so much work just to have a little bit of fun that its all pointless. So then you start looking for other ways to be entertained. For me, that was in holding contests, writing and singing parodies, and becoming involved in Eve Radio. That kept me going for another year or so. And in late 2007 or so, I just didn't feel like logging in anymore. I came back a few months ago because I had previously paid billions of ISK in contest prizes for lyrics and stuff, and felt like I was cheating myself not to make a couple more parodies. Which I've done. And now what? My wife (Dodiez) who is herself an avid gamer hates this game because she finds it irrevocably boring, and all I really do is log in and chat anymore anyway. I can't say that I "won" Eve because there is no winning, but there comes a point when you have to ask "What's the point?" Don't mean to get anyone else down; Eve is a great game for what its worth. For me, there's just no point to it. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Jessicat	Posted - 2009.10.04 20:18:00 - [176] Too bad there's nothing out there like EVE. I Hope you find good times in other games. Cheers
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.04 21:16:00 - [177] Thanks. :) One of my friends got me into Eve Online because he told me it was a combination of the market that Everquest wished it was and the PvP that WoW wanted to be. I was sold. :) I'm not headed to another MMO...I went from Netdragson (MUD) to Gemstone 3 to Ultima Online to Asheron's Call 2 (best MMO ever made) to Lineage 2 to Everquest 2 to WoW (briefly) to Eve. I was fantastically rich in every one of them...its just what I do well; trading, selling, showmanship. Since I started Eve until now I've gotten feels like significantly older, I've gotten married, bought a house, retired from the military, gotten a second career...needs change. When I was a child, I swore I'd never stop watching cartoons. I don't remember when it happened, but eventually it did. As a teenager I swore I'd never abandon video games, but I find myself playing them less and less. Its life. :) I left Eve once before, and came back because I missed making songs about it. I didn't miss the game; having been back a month or so now, I still don't miss anything about the game. I've always been a big fan of helping people, doing events, being part of the community...this is my last gasp. My last big thing. :) Giving away all my stuff. I can't tell you how many times over the years people have asked me for ISK, or my stuff, or just a tiny billion, or any small charity; the people I've inevitably given ISK to were new(er) players and usually in my NPC corp. Sad to see that NPC corps are getting nerfed with a corp tax; a lot of the folks I've known in DCMI for years are either leaving the corp to make small corps of their own, or leaving Eve. In fact, that's a perfect opportunity to link this precise expression of feeling towards CCP: Major Whinage. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Dragonwell Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.10.05 02:05:00 - [178] Edited by: Dragonwell on 05/10/2009 02:06:31 What the hell. Entity and people like him toss around billions on a daily basis and I shiver at the thought of giving up a hundred million. I just need to learn how to grapple with the markets. Reserving 100m if there's still room. ISK is on its way. Edit: Thinking about it, even if this does turn out to be a scam, by the time the payout would have been released I'll probably have forgotten about the investment anyway, and hopefully made billions more in the markets if I'm successful there. -begins incessantly reading various EVE marketing guides and takes an economics class- *** Awake in a Space-Dye Vest Struggling with Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence Falling Into Infinity toward a New Millennium While trapped inside this Octavarium.
How2FoldSoup	Posted - 2009.10.05 02:15:00 - [179] Edited by: How2FoldSoup on 05/10/2009 02:15:25 Hmmm, just wondering if theres any left to give? Edit: Reserving 300mil if there is
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.05 02:26:00 - [180] 4.7 was open... Jessicat put in two billion, Dragonwall put in 100m, which leaves 2.6 billion still open. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To

Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.10.05 03:39:00 - [181] Edited by: Frenden Dax on 05/10/2009 03:43:37 Edited by: Frenden Dax on 05/10/2009 03:39:51 Frak it. All my instincts are telling me to stay away, but cupidity triumphs. I'll take the last 2.3b. EDIT #1: Looks like it's only 2.3b and not 2.6. EDIT #2: Isk sent. Originally by: Karanth Or, in other words, random people can't usurp rights from government because they are insane/bitter/vengeful/made of potato salad.
Synseer Not Me Shoot It	Posted - 2009.10.05 03:41:00 - [182] if there is any left, ill take it
ThormozOK	Posted - 2009.10.05 06:08:00 - [183] I'm stiil waiting for a refund as you promised.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.05 08:17:00 - [184] Quote: And then while you're working on the PvP angle, you realize that PvP simply isn't fun. After years of "carebearing" it turns out that the PvPers of Eve are even bigger carebears, even more afraid of losing their pixels and digital ships than highsec people. And then you cajole people into PvPing, offering ludicrous sums of ISK for evenly matched fights just to get some kicks. It's not the game that is wrong, but it's your approach. Join a PvP only corp and you'll get all the few vs few and also many vs many PvP you want. No need to pay anyone. Quote: I can't say that I "won" Eve because there is no winning, but there comes a point when you have to ask "What's the point?" The game is a sandbox. You decide what you do till one day you may decide that the next thing to do is... to quit. It's fine, it's part of the sandbox after all. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Christopher Scott Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.05 10:38:00 - [185] Can you put me down for 350mil? I talked to you in DCMI earlier today. ------------------------------------ I support the following changes: Make warp acceleration faster!
Hemmo Paskiainen Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.05 11:38:00 - [186] Originally by: Curzon Dax In fact, that's a perfect opportunity to link this precise expression of feeling towards CCP: Major Whinage. This song is awesome!! big lool... Is that u singing? if so u can sing pretty nice
Giannamichaels	Posted - 2009.10.05 12:03:00 - [187] if i was curzon dax i would biomass the curzon dax char and buy a new char and keep everyones isk after transferring all assets to my other character.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.05 15:28:00 - [188] Edited by: Curzon Dax on 05/10/2009 15:29:33 Patience Thormoz. =p As I've explained to you in person and in game, I haven't been collecting ISK to sit on it, I've been wildly spending it as you can see for yourself. I've refunded a few other folks while I had ISK waiting to be spent, but refunding you requires someone else step in and fill the gap. For those of you who posted after my last post, I have another refund to process (Thormoz), which will require someone else (or parties) to step in and fill the gap to the tune of about 5 billion ISK. EDIT Hemmo, that is me singing. There's a link in my signature look down where you can see all my parodies. I've sang quite a few songs, and rapped some others. My wife even has made a couple of parodies. :) -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Synseer Not Me Shoot It	Posted - 2009.10.05 16:13:00 - [189] if thormoz is going to back out for 5b, id like to reserve 2b. I'll need a day or 2 to gather the isk though
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.05 16:34:00 - [190] Sure, but as always...first come, first serve. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To

Jessicat	Posted - 2009.10.05 19:04:00 - [191] Dunno Curzon... With all the promised stuff, planet interaction, incarnathingy, comets, blah blah blah, aren't you at least a little bit curious about that stuff? I love EVE, even though I've never had as much fun in EVE as I had in SWG, but seems like EVE will be a very complete gaming experience... someday. You can always come back and start from scratch, that could be a new challenge for you.
Manu Hermanus FaDoyToy	Posted - 2009.10.05 19:48:00 - [192] Edited by: Manu Hermanus on 05/10/2009 19:48:50 1.6 bil sent (under a different char name), hopefully still room and curzon I'm just hoping there enough assets to fill out that return without the sale of your character, don't want you gone gone You're posting again!? Has it really been 5 mins?
RRNL Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.05 20:06:00 - [193] Edited by: RRNL on 05/10/2009 20:11:35
Hemmo Paskiainen Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.05 20:08:00 - [194] Im filling up the other 3.4, total of 11.6b send
Sofia Swift	Posted - 2009.10.05 20:28:00 - [195] What I still don't understand about all this, is if your worth so much, why do you need to raise 50 bil isk ?? "Before I go, I'd like to get a Paladin and a Golem, and officer-pimp them both, which is what this IPO is about. I have approximately 150-200 billion in assets, mostly in officer fittings and ridiculously expensive ships" Alright well you probably already have those ships, and the officer fittings/isk to pimp them out as well. You just state you worth over 200 bil, why do you need to raise 50 bil from people ? If your really leaving eve, and wanna give back to the community, why not do some contests or random drawings ? Give some stuff to friends.. maybe make a contest that awards the most creative done thing with your name, etc. Basically your only "rewarding" people that already have a lot of isk to invest, that is IF this isnt a scam.. But it has to be... because no matter how you justify it or how clever you word it, it still doesn't make any sense when you break it down. You have the assets and isk to do this on your own, if you wanna give back you could simply do what I sated above. So again im gonna say this is a scam. If notable/known people from real alliances were putting money in, it might even look more valid, but all the people saying "blah billion sent" are random alts. and yes you got entity to post in this thread, but he has not stated he has any collateral or is actually working as a 3rd party or will reimburse anything when you dip.
Mephistocles Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2009.10.05 20:48:00 - [196] Originally by: Sofia Swift What I still don't understand about all this, is if your worth so much, why do you need to raise 50 bil isk ?? ... More stuff... Did you actually read the thread? I thought Curzon had explained things quite clearly. Also, the last time I checked I'm not an alt. Some people might have contacted Curzon directly, as crazy as that sounds. It's not always necessary to disclose to who and how much isk you loan/invest to the rest of Eve.
Hemmo Paskiainen Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.05 21:02:00 - [197] Originally by: Sofia Swift What I still........when you dip. lol dude your just a bad ugly troll. Why are u trolling? its full and yes im no alt.. u could have seen that if u wernt too lazy to type my name ingame and look it up. just because u dont see a corp or a alliance doesnt mean it isnt there, some people just dont like showoff's. If u would have done your research better u would know CD is legit in everything he has told soo far. Thats why i send him 11 billion.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.05 21:40:00 - [198] Originally by: Jessicat Dunno Curzon... With all the promised stuff, planet interaction, incarnathingy, comets, blah blah blah, aren't you at least a little bit curious about that stuff? I love EVE, even though I've never had as much fun in EVE as I had in SWG, but seems like EVE will be a very complete gaming experience... someday. You can always come back and start from scratch, that could be a new challenge for you. I'm looking forward to having a faction Dominix; I whined for one of those for 4 years. And if I haven't communicated this very well, I'm not leaving Eve to go find another MMO, I'm leaving MMOs. Life moves on and I just don't feel the pull to grind and quest and PvP anymore. Not in any MMO. My wife and I play Warhammer 40k (the tabletop miniature game, not the video game), and I think that's kind of replaced my MMO time, although I don't get to play 40k very often either. If anyone is nerdy enough to know what that is, I have a Tau army and have started Dark Eldar, and my wife has a massive Ork army. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Khul Drukath Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2009.10.05 22:13:00 - [199] Quote: and my wife has a massive Ork army. Somehow I always suspected
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.05 22:35:00 - [200] Originally by: Khul Drukath Quote: and my wife has a massive Ork army. Somehow I always suspected Wait wait wait wait...what? -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To

Estella Vance	Posted - 2009.10.06 14:13:00 - [201] Responding to "If notable/known people from real alliances were putting money in, it might even look more valid, but all the people saying "blah billion sent" are random alts." line. This random alt was considering to rob his random main and plunge another billion into this venture, but I need to keep some liquid isk for plex and possible emergency expenses, so most likely I will stick to participating with just a billion. Like other investor already said, some people don't like showoffs. I think it doesn't make any big difference, if I post with my "investment secretary" alt, or non-notable/unknown mission runner carebear main, who's in quiet average hi-sec alliance.
tre introv Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.06 14:32:00 - [202] If there is room still left I will take 1bil worth. Will wire isk later when I'm home.
Anane Notoras Innovations	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:28:00 - [203] Let me know if there is any left.. send a mail in game or on here I can take 500mil to 1bil
Goparu Prdc3r Caldari Capital Construction Research	Posted - 2009.10.06 18:28:00 - [204] Originally by: Curzon Dax Edited by: Curzon Dax on 05/10/2009 21:48:01 Originally by: Jessicat Dunno Curzon... With all the promised stuff, planet interaction, incarnathingy, comets, blah blah blah, aren't you at least a little bit curious about that stuff? I love EVE, even though I've never had as much fun in EVE as I had in SWG, but seems like EVE will be a very complete gaming experience... someday. You can always come back and start from scratch, that could be a new challenge for you. I'm looking forward to having a faction Dominix; I whined for one of those for 4 years. And if I haven't communicated this very well, I'm not leaving Eve to go find another MMO, I'm leaving MMOs. Life moves on and I just don't feel the pull to grind and quest and PvP anymore. Not in any MMO. My wife and I play Warhammer 40k (the tabletop miniature game, not the video game), and I think that's kind of replaced my MMO time, although I don't get to play 40k very often either. If anyone is nerdy enough to know what that is, I have a Tau army and have started Dark Eldar, and my wife has a massive Ork army. Originally by: Sofia Swift If notable/known people from real alliances were putting money in, it might even look more valid, but all the people saying "blah billion sent" are random alts. So the 5 month old Imperial academy alt gets to call other people alts? Troll on your main noobiefry. In regard to contests and giving back to the community...perhaps a little research on your part is due. I've held countless contests to give away ISK (in the last five years totaling in excess of 100 billion), sponsored events in Eve, on the forums, on Eve Radio, sponsored lotteries, given away officer modules, spent hundreds upon hundreds of hours tutoring people in how to successfully make ISK through different means, donated real money to Eve Radio to keep them on the air, conducted interviews for EON Magazine, and probably most notably.....donated hundreds of hours of my time to creating, writing, and producing music (see my signature) to keep the Eve community at large entertained. And you....this noobie alt of someone afraid to post with their main is going to show up in a forum thread for a game that they hardly know anything about and tell ME to contribute to the community? You are absolutely, 100% a worthless troll. Go away before I sprinkle salt into your eyeballs. Sounds like your wife is kinda the key to your possible comeback :) Anyway, sounds fun having a wife that likes this kind of stuff, my wife isn't pation enough for rpg, she likes the shooty kinda things. btw, thanx for yur ingame advise oh i'm jessicat, posting with wrong account
Dodiez Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.10.06 22:29:00 - [205] Edited by: Dodiez on 06/10/2009 22:29:35 I was happy and anxious to come back and play Eve. But then the mod turds moved the parody thread from its home of however many years and now it doesn't get the exposure it once did. It's even harder now to introduce the Eve newb to the whole parody thingy. That was disheartening, to be honest. Then I went to do a mission. And then I remembered why I don't fly missions anymore. Saving damsel for the 32168461535th time? No thanks. Eve is a sandbox? Sure it is. One that cats poop in. It's not that Eve is a bad game, it's just that it has fantastic potential that hasn't been realized. The lag is still horrible, big battles are almost inevitable, as is the following node death. One thing that Eve has over other games is community, however even that lately has been, uh, lacking, to be nice. I cannot believe all of the threads that are allowed to live in GD when the parody thread was relegated to the dungeon. I have a lot of friends that I continually chat to, which is the one reason why I play this game. I can chat to them, mine for forever on auto and then watch a movie all at the same time. Is it the ideal gaming experience? Depends on what day it is. That's just my take on it. Granted, I would love to find some fun in Eve, but I feel kinda bored too. Anyone have any ideas?
Turiel Demon Minmatar Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.10.06 23:34:00 - [206] Edited by: Turiel Demon on 06/10/2009 23:34:28 Of course, join in with Red vs Blue, and have whatever size battle you feel like... it's like faction warfare only better
BTB DK The Nerfe Bat	Posted - 2009.10.07 11:24:00 - [207] Curzon YOU ARE EVE'S Greates Scammer. I SALUTE YOU. ROFL.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.07 12:43:00 - [208] Originally by: BTB DK Curzon YOU ARE EVE'S Greates Scammer. I SALUTE YOU. ROFL. If this was a scam, that would make me a 50 billion ISK scammer, meaning that I'd fall far down the hierarchy of scammers in Eve to somewhere in the yawn, another scammer category. Combine that with the pristine reputation I've spent five years building in the community spotlight, the hundreds upon hundreds of billions of ISK that have passed through my hands, not to mention the stupid trolls like yourself that have shown up at every event, contest, lottery, giveaway that I've ever hosted screaming like a newborn that there was definitely going to be a scam involved and they would get the last laugh... Well, that would make this equal to about the worst scam in Eve then wouldn't it. I do wish that everyone who has ever made this claim of me had not followed my advice of "Don't hold your breath" and displayed such a lack of conviction to the idea of me being a scammer (aside from their willingness to write dumb things). That way, you all would have passed out from lack of oxygen long ago, or something even better . -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Pan Zhu'Liang Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.10.07 20:50:00 - [209] Originally by: Curzon Dax If anyone is nerdy enough to know what that is, I have a Tau army and have started Dark Eldar, and my wife has a massive Ork army. Wait, are you saying that little plastic men are more nerdy than internet spaceships? I'd have to call that a draw at best. btw, WAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!
Dodiez Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.10.08 00:25:00 - [210] Edited by: Dodiez on 08/10/2009 00:25:24 Can I tell you how much I love Ghazzy on the Waaaugh! with his 2+ invul save? I really am nerdy. But ossum at the same time.

DHB WildCat D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.10.08 21:33:00 - [211] Going to leave all your stuff in the hands of a guy that is going to put them into a hanger never to be seen again by anyone in the eve community. Kinda goes against all your ideals of sharing yourself with the community..... sigh. Was really hoping someone like you who appreciates pvp, the eve community and bringing special things to everyone would spread his wealth to the pvp'ers of eve. People like Kil2, Kessah, Cown, Darkness ect. They could make movies of your ships / mods, so that even if you leave the game, you will still live on in the vids these guys make! Please I beg you, I am not saying give me anything, but please, please, please do not give all your things to someone that will hide them in a damned hole, never to be seen again. You have rare items!!!! share them with the community, not some selfish collector to collect dust in a damned hanger! WildCat
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.09 00:00:00 - [212] Edited by: Curzon Dax on 09/10/2009 00:00:58 Originally by: DHB WildCat Was really hoping someone like you who appreciates pvp, the eve community and bringing special things to everyone would spread his wealth to the pvp'ers of eve. People like Kil2, Kessah, Cown, Darkness ect. They could make movies of your ships / mods, so that even if you leave the game, you will still live on in the vids these guys make! I don't know any of those people. While I've been around a long time and been a central part of a lot of things, I never really made any friends. I've got a few acquaintances, but that's about it. I tried actually joining a corp a few times, but it was never anything like I was hoping it would be. I've been happy to sit in DCMI and meet a changing crowd of people with a few regular faces. As for rare stuff....ISK buys rare stuff. Entity might stuff all this into a hangar where its never seen again, but a fair number of people will get paid well for participating in my IPO. And that ISK will buy rare stuff. :) I see it like this: If you want rare stuff, you should participate in my IPO. Entity really only cares about having one of everything; the rest is just fun. You can probably negotiate with him to get an officer mod(s) of value to what your payment should be if you prefer it that way. And if you can't afford to participate in my IPO because you spend all your ISK PvPing, then giving you an officer fit ship would doubtlessly follow the same route as all the other ships you need all that ISK to replace. I have PvPed in these expensive ships. :) Mostly in 1v1 settings, where the odds are stacked in my favor, but I've sat at a few gatecamps in Tama tanking sentry guns in a Dominix with 4x Chelm's Modified Cap Rechargers on it that are powering my armor reppers and neutralizers. =p EDIT I've also had an officer fit scorpion get blown out from under me, had my Kronos get beat down to 25% hull....take the adrenaline rush of PvP and multiply it by officer fittings. =p -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
DHB WildCat D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.10.09 02:41:00 - [213] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 09/10/2009 02:41:07 Originally by: Curzon Dax Edited by: Curzon Dax on 09/10/2009 00:00:58 Originally by: DHB WildCat Was really hoping someone like you who appreciates pvp, the eve community and bringing special things to everyone would spread his wealth to the pvp'ers of eve. People like Kil2, Kessah, Cown, Darkness ect. They could make movies of your ships / mods, so that even if you leave the game, you will still live on in the vids these guys make! I don't know any of those people. While I've been around a long time and been a central part of a lot of things, I never really made any friends. I've got a few acquaintances, but that's about it. I tried actually joining a corp a few times, but it was never anything like I was hoping it would be. I've been happy to sit in DCMI and meet a changing crowd of people with a few regular faces. As for rare stuff....ISK buys rare stuff. Entity might stuff all this into a hangar where its never seen again, but a fair number of people will get paid well for participating in my IPO. And that ISK will buy rare stuff. :) I see it like this: If you want rare stuff, you should participate in my IPO. Entity really only cares about having one of everything; the rest is just fun. You can probably negotiate with him to get an officer mod(s) of value to what your payment should be if you prefer it that way. And if you can't afford to participate in my IPO because you spend all your ISK PvPing, then giving you an officer fit ship would doubtlessly follow the same route as all the other ships you need all that ISK to replace. I have PvPed in these expensive ships. :) Mostly in 1v1 settings, where the odds are stacked in my favor, but I've sat at a few gatecamps in Tama tanking sentry guns in a Dominix with 4x Chelm's Modified Cap Rechargers on it that are powering my armor reppers and neutralizers. =p EDIT I've also had an officer fit scorpion get blown out from under me, had my Kronos get beat down to 25% hull....take the adrenaline rush of PvP and multiply it by officer fittings. =p Dont take this the wrong way but, after reading your response, I am now under the conclusion that you arent the pvp player I kinda thought you were. Officer mods mean nothing unless placed in situations that are adrenaline packed.... 1 vs 1 doesnt count. Those people I mentioned, check out there vids, or mine even, http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0811/Burning_Eve_4_Final_Edition.wmv Anyhow forget my previous comment. Another rich guy that didnt isk by pvp, or for pvp. I know it sounds mean, but we are a diferent breed, your earned isk is the same as entities, and would mix better than with anyone else. WildCat
Turiel Demon Minmatar Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.10.09 02:49:00 - [214] Originally by: Curzon Dax As for rare stuff....ISK buys rare stuff. Entity might stuff all this into a hangar where its never seen again, but a fair number of people will get paid well for participating in my IPO. And that ISK will buy rare stuff. :) I see it like this: If you want rare stuff, you should participate in my IPO. Entity really only cares about having one of everything; the rest is just fun. You can probably negotiate with him to get an officer mod(s) of value to what your payment should be if you prefer it that way. And if you can't afford to participate in my IPO because you spend all your ISK PvPing, then giving you an officer fit ship would doubtlessly follow the same route as all the other ships you need all that ISK to replace. You'd be in for a tough round of bargaining, Entity knows how to hold on to his wealth for the things he wants to get I'm planning to use my payout from this for a few of the lower end officer modules on a nice shiny nightmare hehe, everyone should have at least one properly pimped ship
Dodiez Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.10.10 02:22:00 - [215] Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 09/10/2009 03:17:27 Edited by: DHB WildCat on 09/10/2009 02:41:07 Originally by: Curzon Dax Edited by: Curzon Dax on 09/10/2009 00:00:58 Originally by: DHB WildCat Was really hoping someone like you who appreciates pvp, the eve community and bringing special things to everyone would spread his wealth to the pvp'ers of eve. People like Kil2, Kessah, Cown, Darkness ect. They could make movies of your ships / mods, so that even if you leave the game, you will still live on in the vids these guys make! I don't know any of those people. While I've been around a long time and been a central part of a lot of things, I never really made any friends. I've got a few acquaintances, but that's about it. I tried actually joining a corp a few times, but it was never anything like I was hoping it would be. I've been happy to sit in DCMI and meet a changing crowd of people with a few regular faces. As for rare stuff....ISK buys rare stuff. Entity might stuff all this into a hangar where its never seen again, but a fair number of people will get paid well for participating in my IPO. And that ISK will buy rare stuff. :) I see it like this: If you want rare stuff, you should participate in my IPO. Entity really only cares about having one of everything; the rest is just fun. You can probably negotiate with him to get an officer mod(s) of value to what your payment should be if you prefer it that way. And if you can't afford to participate in my IPO because you spend all your ISK PvPing, then giving you an officer fit ship would doubtlessly follow the same route as all the other ships you need all that ISK to replace. I have PvPed in these expensive ships. :) Mostly in 1v1 settings, where the odds are stacked in my favor, but I've sat at a few gatecamps in Tama tanking sentry guns in a Dominix with 4x Chelm's Modified Cap Rechargers on it that are powering my armor reppers and neutralizers. =p EDIT I've also had an officer fit scorpion get blown out from under me, had my Kronos get beat down to 25% hull....take the adrenaline rush of PvP and multiply it by officer fittings. =p Dont take this the wrong way but, after reading your response, I am now under the conclusion that you arent the pvp player I kinda thought you were. Officer mods mean nothing unless placed in situations that are adrenaline packed.... 1 vs 1 doesnt count. Those people I mentioned, check out there vids, or mine even, http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0811/Burning_Eve_4_Final_Edition.wmv Anyhow forget my previous comment. Another rich guy that didnt isk by pvp, or for pvp. I know it sounds mean, but we are a diferent breed, your earned isk is the same as entities, and would mix better than with anyone else. WildCat oh and fyi I have more isk than you at present, I was getting a word in for pvp'ers of eve. Anyhow watch the vid, thats how you spend your personal wealth to give back to the community, instead of getting paid from the community. I love "pvpers" that say that 1v1 isn't pvping. Listen here. Anything that doesn't have even odds isn't pvping. It's called ganking. If you can say that 1v1 is not pvp then I can say that ganking is not pvp. You can't get anymore pvp than 1v1. To be honest, that's the best test of your skills. Anyone can be part of a fleet and then get a kill mail by accident.
DHB WildCat D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.10.10 03:07:00 - [216] Originally by: Dodiez I love "pvpers" that say that 1v1 isn't pvping. Listen here. Anything that doesn't have even odds isn't pvping. It's called ganking. If you can say that 1v1 is not pvp then I can say that ganking is not pvp. You can't get anymore pvp than 1v1. To be honest, that's the best test of your skills. Anyone can be part of a fleet and then get a kill mail by accident. LMAO and I love idiots that dont know who they are talking to. Watch the vid... You know why I dont concider 1 vs 1 pvp? Because its for little girls, its too easy. Try 2 vs 38, yes 38. Killing over 20 of them and the rest running to the station to dock. That is pvp. BTW the 2 battleships, and the 38 a mix between hacs / battleships / recons / cruisers / battlecruisers. You have no idea who I am or what "real" pvp'ers do. Check yourself! WildCat
Ida Metcalf	Posted - 2009.10.10 03:28:00 - [217] If you want to give stuff away, I wouldn't mind having any BPOs or BPCs you have. All the best Ida
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.10 03:45:00 - [218] Originally by: DHB WildCat You have no idea who I am or what "real" pvp'ers do. Check yourself! WildCat I make you super-special family discount offer. You meet me in space for a "too easy" 1v1. If you were baiting me, I unfortunately won't be bringing a super-pimped ship; I can't afford to lose them anymore. Since its too easy, I encourage you to back up the smack-talk you're so eager to administer. Come...show me how its done. I'll even pay you for the fight if you win, out of respect for you having shown me my place. But short of that, you're a smack-talking tard, who is a little girl without any cahones, and you need to GTFO of my thread. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Dodiez Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.10.10 03:48:00 - [219] Originally by: DHB WildCat Originally by: Dodiez I love "pvpers" that say that 1v1 isn't pvping. Listen here. Anything that doesn't have even odds isn't pvping. It's called ganking. If you can say that 1v1 is not pvp then I can say that ganking is not pvp. You can't get anymore pvp than 1v1. To be honest, that's the best test of your skills. Anyone can be part of a fleet and then get a kill mail by accident. LMAO and I love idiots that dont know who they are talking to. Watch the vid... You know why I dont concider 1 vs 1 pvp? Because its for little girls, its too easy. Try 2 vs 38, yes 38. Killing over 20 of them and the rest running to the station to dock. That is pvp. BTW the 2 battleships, and the 38 a mix between hacs / battleships / recons / cruisers / battlecruisers. You have no idea who I am or what "real" pvp'ers do. Check yourself! WildCat Obviously, you don't know who I am either. You and I have chatted. More than once. I know exactly who you are. You have your opinions, I have mine. But I'm going to go "check myself" though, don't you worry orange boy.
Alice Rubidinous	Posted - 2009.10.10 03:57:00 - [220] Originally by: DHB WildCat Originally by: Dodiez I love "pvpers" that say that 1v1 isn't pvping. Listen here. Anything that doesn't have even odds isn't pvping. It's called ganking. If you can say that 1v1 is not pvp then I can say that ganking is not pvp. You can't get anymore pvp than 1v1. To be honest, that's the best test of your skills. Anyone can be part of a fleet and then get a kill mail by accident. LMAO and I love idiots that dont know who they are talking to. Watch the vid... You know why I dont concider 1 vs 1 pvp? Because its for little girls, its too easy. Try 2 vs 38, yes 38. Killing over 20 of them and the rest running to the station to dock. That is pvp. BTW the 2 battleships, and the 38 a mix between hacs / battleships / recons / cruisers / battlecruisers. You have no idea who I am or what "real" pvp'ers do. Check yourself! WildCat You know why I consider your "I R so leet, U R epicn00b" forum post disturbing? Given the phrases "You have no idea who I am!" and "Check yourself!" I'd give better than half odds that the majority of your personal self-worth is EVE-based. Also, your use of a trite early 90s hip-hop aphorism is....interesting. If your puffing was tongue-in-cheek, well ok. If not... Consider seeking counseling. Or having a long talk with a good friend.

Silmaire Privateers	Posted - 2009.10.10 05:21:00 - [221] sorry to say but DHB WildCat is absolutelly right on his comments ... givin stuff to entity and pvp wise . you are not a active player anymore, you dont know the reality of eve anymore .. dont comment on what you dont know .
Drykor Minmatar Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.10 08:30:00 - [222] Looks like a fun ipo, but I don't trust anyone but Chribba with my isk in Eve. Btw, who is this Wildcat? ^^
mechtech Entropy Industries	Posted - 2009.10.10 10:12:00 - [223] Originally by: Silmaire Edited by: Silmaire on 10/10/2009 05:26:00 ur just a selfish carebear .. you dont know nothing about pvp . OK, I haven't posted in this thread yet but let me step in here. Curzon is not a "selfish carebear". Sure, he doesn't command titans and he doesn't get his kicks from leading fleets with officer fit ships of doom, but selfish? I've been playing eve for a long time, and Curzon is one of the many characters that gives eve it's personality. There are plenty of "l33t" PvPers running around, but people like Curzon, Innominate Nightmare, the tales from Guiding Hand Social Club, and of course Tyrrax Thorrk and the Impoc loss make eve what it is for me. To say Curzon is selfish, after making countless hilarious eve parodies and making eve-radio have awesome competitions is just blind. Nobody should criticize him for how he leaves the game. Just because he's not going to spend 200B on a fleet of officer fitted ships and take them against 30-1 odds doesn't mean he's not giving back to the community with this IPO. Furthermore, I don't see any reason why he even NEEDS to do what we want with his isk, he's already given enough, let him have some fun without getting flack. I invested 2B, and he can scam it if he wants to! But knowing Curzon we're all going to get a fat payout
flakeys Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.10 10:19:00 - [224] Edited by: flakeys on 10/10/2009 10:20:06 And so the fight is on since wildcat approved of the 1vs1 on general discussion. So who is gonna start the betting pool?
clixoras	Posted - 2009.10.10 12:52:00 - [225] Originally by: flakeys Edited by: flakeys on 10/10/2009 10:20:06 And so the fight is on since wildcat approved of the 1vs1 on general discussion. So who is gonna start the betting pool? oops. clicked report instead of quote. Sorry about that. Maybe we should open a seperate betting thread as Curzon perhaps want to keep this thread clear (maybe to late for that anyway) 100m on Curzon :)
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.10 13:49:00 - [226] Quick update: In case you missed it, bit of drama to add to this thread, which was already dramatic. >< ThormozOK invested 10 billion ISK into my IPO, and asked if when I left Eve if he could have my alt (Aruik) instead of an IPO payout if I still had him. I agreed, and put him into my spreadsheet with the caveat (wants Aruik). Last week, the Aruik sale thread I let die got bumped, bid on repeatedly, and given that the bidding went higher than what ThormozOK had entered into my IPO, I sold Aruik. You haven't seen me bringing up my secondary offering (to get that second Estamel's invul field) because I used Aruik's sale and Thormoz's investment to buy it. Now, ThormozOK and I have been going around and around the last few days. He wants a refund because he isn't going to get Aruik. We discussed the fact that having almost completely fit my ships, I'm pretty much out of ISK (two more modules to completion on both Golem and Paladin). Regardless of the fact that I haven't been holding onto ISK, or that he wasn't expecting a return on his ISK until next year...he's adamant that he wants a refund. I've been working on it. I raised 5 billion of his ISK in short order, and Neon Fury was supposed to cover down on the rest, but hasn't logged in for the last few days. I've refunded ISK several times now because people have needed it for other things (while I had it - no reason not to). Someone else just asked me for a 1 billion ISK refund, and I asked them to post that here sot hat other people wouldn't think I was making up that some folks had asked for refunds; and that his refund is dependent on someone else covering it (because I've spent my IPO as intended). But ThormozOK...has been unpleasant to work with through this ordeal. And now I have an ultimatum from him that if I don't have his ISK tomorrow he's going to announce to the world that I'm a scammer. I'm honestly tempted to give him the finger at this point because of his interaction with me and keep his ISK, but I bounced the idea off Hemmo, who told me it would be a poor idea, even if deserved, and would probably cause other people to ask for refunds, which I don't really have to give. So at the very least, this post is to pre-empt Thromoz posting to defame me. Its also to give an update on where I am with my IPO. And while I think evil thoughts when people are unpleasant with me, I honestly would feel really dumb even perpetrating a mini-scam, whether someone deserves it or not. So Thormoz...as angry as you want to get, I still feel obligated to treat you fairly like an underpaid customer support representative. You will get a refund, and you will get it when Neon Fury or someone else covers down on ISK I don't have to give back to you. You were promised results next September at the latest, and it wouldn't hurt for you to be a bit more appreciative that I'm doing my best here. Anyway, back to you Chuck, how's the weather down in San Diego? camera pans over -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
flakeys Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:13:00 - [227] Originally by: Curzon Dax I'm honestly tempted to give him the finger at this point because of his interaction with me and keep his ISK, but I bounced the idea off Hemmo, who told me it would be a poor idea, even if deserved, and would probably cause other people to ask for refunds, which I don't really have to give. You made a deal with him.You failed on holding onto those terms of the deal.Now he get's mad about it and you want to give the finger because the guy deserves this. You wanted to make this an ipo while you had enough isk to do it yourself.Now you will have to deal with those who invested in this and keep your word on it. If i understand right he has every reason to ask the isk back since he allready , after only a few weeks on the ipo , knows you broke your word.²ou say he knew the isk would be invested for a long time , well you knew he was after that char but STILL sold it because the offer was higher.Being an uberrich char makes that even worse and shows a true nature here. If i read wrong then i apologise but it seems verry simple:You promised he would get your char and thus he invested.You sold that character because you could get more isk out of it.He now is mad and wants his is back wich you dont understand.
RAW23	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:36:00 - [228] Edited by: RAW23 on 10/10/2009 14:38:42 Originally by: flakeys Originally by: Curzon Dax I'm honestly tempted to give him the finger at this point because of his interaction with me and keep his ISK, but I bounced the idea off Hemmo, who told me it would be a poor idea, even if deserved, and would probably cause other people to ask for refunds, which I don't really have to give. You made a deal with him.You failed on holding onto those terms of the deal.Now he get's mad about it and you want to give the finger because the guy deserves this. You wanted to make this an ipo while you had enough isk to do it yourself.Now you will have to deal with those who invested in this and keep your word on it. If i understand right he has every reason to ask the isk back since he allready , after only a few weeks on the ipo , knows you broke your word.²ou say he knew the isk would be invested for a long time , well you knew he was after that char but STILL sold it because the offer was higher.Being an uberrich char makes that even worse and shows a true nature here. If i read wrong then i apologise but it seems verry simple:You promised he would get your char and thus he invested.You sold that character because you could get more isk out of it.He now is mad and wants his is back wich you dont understand. If I read Curzon's post correctly, the toon was promised as an alternative payout if Curzon still had him at the end of the ipo. If this was only ever presented as a possible payout then Curzon seems to be within his rights to sell the toon and revert to the originally planned cash payout.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.10 14:53:00 - [229] That's correct. ThormozOK's introductory line was, "I know this probably isn't enough to buy Aruik but..." I included him in my IPO, and stopped reply/bumping my character sale thread because I didn't care one way or the other who ended up with the character from my second account. As far as the finger....like I said - I'll sit and brew about someone being a jerk to me, and venting here and telling other people that he's a jerk makes me feel better. =p It won't change the fact that he'll get his money back, just like daydreaming that the guy who just cut you off violently in traffic blows a tire, flips over several times off a cliff and explodes in midair doesn't make that happen either. Its called wishful thinking and aggression management. =p -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
flakeys Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.10 15:03:00 - [230] Originally by: Curzon Dax That's correct. ThormozOK's introductory line was, "I know this probably isn't enough to buy Aruik but..." I included him in my IPO, and stopped reply/bumping my character sale thread because I didn't care one way or the other who ended up with the character from my second account. As far as the finger....like I said - I'll sit and brew about someone being a jerk to me, and venting here and telling other people that he's a jerk makes me feel better. =p It won't change the fact that he'll get his money back, just like daydreaming that the guy who just cut you off violently in traffic blows a tire, flips over several times off a cliff and explodes in midair doesn't make that happen either. Its called wishful thinking and aggression management. =p Then i stand corrected as i interpreted from your post that he was promised this toon on a 100% guarantee.

ThormozOK	Posted - 2009.10.10 17:39:00 - [231] Not actually. I said that the char estimate worth is 15 billions. And I really hadnt that much. So we had a deal - as all he wanted was to finish his "quest" he will end the auction and transfer char as an IPO payout(when he reach his goal). That was fine to me. But instead he didnt stopped that auction thread and sold the character for only 500 million more than I've aleady given to him. And he didnt bother himself to informe me at all. I was trying to check Aruik's eve-sheet and found thar character was already transferred. Then I asked for refund. And got nothing thus far (almost 2 weeks has passed). I'm still trust that he's not "just another scammer" but my patience is running out.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.10 17:50:00 - [232] It probably hasn't helped our communication that you're not a native English speak. :( You can track incoming funds as easily as I can - I update my thread as soon as someone puts money into it. Between you and Thorexian, I'm 6 billion down from requested refunds, and you can bet that as soon as someone says, "I'll put in a billion" that number will change to 5 billion. It has most of this thread except when I've been gone. Watch along with me, but stop thinking I'm magically holding onto ISK; I raised it to spend, and spend I have. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Thorexion Lynch Gallente Divine Retribution	Posted - 2009.10.10 19:03:00 - [233] Hey man, it possible to get my isk back? need it for PLEX's and ships etc
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.10 20:08:00 - [234] Noted, and you're second in line. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Alice Celadon	Posted - 2009.10.10 21:40:00 - [235] 16.2 billion in
Spectre Wraith Darwin Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.10 22:47:00 - [236] People really dont know how to handle their money. If I had more in my expendible fund, I'd still be putting more in on this. Hopefully you haven't had to deal with to many "omg u gif isk back" people who can manage their money. On the bright side though, at least the ones getting it back won't be benefiting from this.
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.10.10 23:09:00 - [237] Good lord people. If you're going to invest in something, INVEST. Don't hand over money and then change your mind a week later. Originally by: Karanth Or, in other words, random people can't usurp rights from government because they are insane/bitter/vengeful/made of potato salad.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.10 23:31:00 - [238] Edited by: Curzon Dax on 10/10/2009 23:33:59 And ThormozOK gets his refund now. Thormoz, at least post a thanks. =p Originally by: Spectre Wraith People really dont know how to handle their money. If I had more in my expendible fund, I'd still be putting more in on this. Hopefully you haven't had to deal with to many "omg u gif isk back" people who can manage their money. On the bright side though, at least the ones getting it back won't be benefiting from this. I haven't done the exact math, but I think roughly half of my IPO has been refunded and then invested in by other people. I should have noted a disclaimer that I'd charge a 10% processing fee for refunds. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
ginlaaan Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.10.10 23:31:00 - [239] Edited by: ginlaaan on 10/10/2009 23:34:16 Sent 300million more isk for you and the IPO Have fun wish it could be more but i am now broke :-) isk all invested here and there. Stop asking for refunds --Ginlaaan--
Gabriel Virtus hirr	Posted - 2009.10.11 00:13:00 - [240] Originally by: DHB WildCat Originally by: Dodiez I love "pvpers" that say that 1v1 isn't pvping. Listen here. Anything that doesn't have even odds isn't pvping. It's called ganking. If you can say that 1v1 is not pvp then I can say that ganking is not pvp. You can't get anymore pvp than 1v1. To be honest, that's the best test of your skills. Anyone can be part of a fleet and then get a kill mail by accident. LMAO and I love idiots that dont know who they are talking to. Watch the vid... You know why I dont concider 1 vs 1 pvp? Because its for little girls, its too easy. Try 2 vs 38, yes 38. Killing over 20 of them and the rest running to the station to dock. That is pvp. BTW the 2 battleships, and the 38 a mix between hacs / battleships / recons / cruisers / battlecruisers. You have no idea who I am or what "real" pvp'ers do. Check yourself! WildCat quoting this to show how epic it is. How is triumvertate doing btw? You guys are such great pvpers! Calling Triumfail pvp is a joke, yeah? -GV

ThormozOK	Posted - 2009.10.11 00:39:00 - [241] I'm fully refunded. Thanks and good luck with your IPO
Reilly Duvolle	Posted - 2009.10.12 13:15:00 - [242] "I am leaving EVE. Send me ISK and I'll pay you double back" Nice one LMAO
tre introv Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.12 14:07:00 - [243] Originally by: Reilly Duvolle "I am leaving EVE. Send me ISK and I'll pay you double back" Nice one LMAO Welcome to Sept 15?? If you don't like it or don't trust it, don't invest.
Reilly Duvolle	Posted - 2009.10.12 14:10:00 - [244] oh dont worry. I am not that stupid.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.12 14:38:00 - [245] Given that I just refunded 10 billion ISK, and had previously refunded other folks (and General Wiggles is torn between a refund so that he can buy ships apparently) I had thought the "scam!" kiddies might die down a bit. Entity and I were just talking about that last night, and the hint of drama in the thread. I'd been told that if I thought the ******s would go away because I was giving money back, I was wrong - it would inflame them twice as much because you guys think differently than normal people. Grats Reilly! You win the Entity and Curzon Award for Stupid Troll of the Day. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Reilly Duvolle	Posted - 2009.10.12 16:58:00 - [246] Originally by: Curzon Dax Given that I just refunded 10 billion ISK, and had previously refunded other folks (and General Wiggles is torn between a refund so that he can buy ships apparently) I had thought the "scam!" kiddies might die down a bit. Entity and I were just talking about that last night, and the hint of drama in the thread. I'd been told that if I thought the ******s would go away because I was giving money back, I was wrong - it would inflame them twice as much because you guys think differently than normal people. Grats Reilly! You win the Entity and Curzon Award for Stupid Troll of the Day. Ups did I say something you didnt want to have on your thread Curzon? Well, I'll tell you a secret. If at least one person stops and thinks things over before jumping on your scam-wagon, I will be happy.
The Punished	Posted - 2009.10.12 18:02:00 - [247] You know I'm pretty skeptical of everybody and I made a lot of silly comments in Curzon's I'm a cop and I can reach out an touch you and lock up your whole family or worse thread, but the more I pay attention to Curzon I would have to say he seems to be a pretty stand up guy, albeit that last issue with the character... I was divided on my opinion because I am not sure I had all the facts straight, but it seemed like he went for cash now instead of keeping up his end of the deal. Anyways since I'll probably never have the straight facts I'll drop it but right now I'm liking Curzon, no Homo
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.12 20:58:00 - [248] Originally by: The Punished You know I'm pretty skeptical of everybody and I made a lot of silly comments in Curzon's I'm a cop and I can reach out an touch you and lock up your whole family or worse thread, but the more I pay attention to Curzon I would have to say he seems to be a pretty stand up guy, albeit that last issue with the character... I was divided on my opinion because I am not sure I had all the facts straight, but it seemed like he went for cash now instead of keeping up his end of the deal. Anyways since I'll probably never have the straight facts I'll drop it but right now I'm liking Curzon, no Homo Well, ThormozOK isn't a native English speaker - I'm not quite sure we'll ever get the facts straight. He thought we had one agreement, and I thought we had another agreement. If I had known he just straight wanted to buy Aruik, I would have let the bidding end, then told him that he had until I left Eve to beat that price....I would have ended up with more ISK that way. Instead, I thought he wanted his ISK in my IPO, and if no one paid more than his 10 billion, he wanted Aruik for payment instead. Poor communication, I probably didn't get as much ISK as I could have for it, but at least Thormoz is back to where he started and Aruik's new owner is happy. Now I just need an "overflow buffer" of investments - I have one outstanding refund request and one....asking if he can get a refund now so that he can use it to make ISK right now, then invest later (to which I've told him that for him to get a refund someone else will have to pay for his investment, and it will be closed). Also, time-stamping right NOW: If I have to process any more refund requests (IPO is currently full, but has two requests for refunds) then I am going to assess a 25% administrative fee on your refund. At least half my IPO has been refunded and invested in by other people at this point, and there's been a lot of unnecessary work. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
ginlaan	Posted - 2009.10.12 21:53:00 - [249] As far as the people who wanted refunds: They were all hoping you would only keep playing for a little while longer and were banking on you quitting right away to get there investment. Of course no one can prove that, but if could prove what ones thoughts were i am quite certain a few of the people who invested where banking on a quick turnaround and seeing its not going happen now want there isk back.
Meganoita	Posted - 2009.10.12 21:56:00 - [250] Originally by: Curzon Dax Now I just need an "overflow buffer" of investments - I have one outstanding refund request and one....asking if he can get a refund now so that he can use it to make ISK right now, then invest later (to which I've told him that for him to get a refund someone else will have to pay for his investment, and it will be closed). How much of a buffer do you need? I'd be happy to put more in.

Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.13 01:54:00 - [251] Originally by: ginlaan As far as the people who wanted refunds: They were all hoping you would only keep playing for a little while longer and were banking on you quitting right away to get there investment. Of course no one can prove that, but if could prove what ones thoughts were i am quite certain a few of the people who invested where banking on a quick turnaround and seeing its not going happen now want there isk back. Eh....except that I announced from day 1 that the IPO would pay out on September 01, 2010; earlier if folks are lucky. I have my private feelings about when this will be, and its nowhere near a year from now...but I've never hinted at that or promised anything other...I can't imagine why anyone would think otherwise. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
gambrinous	Posted - 2009.10.13 11:28:00 - [252] just quit ...lol, your a uber pirate (from that other thread) and ur life long goal is to fit some officer pve ships, which you cant efford to fit as you onl have a trillion dollars
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.13 12:58:00 - [253] I've never made any secret that I've tried pirating here and there. In regard to 0.0 and such, realize that there's a reason I sold my main, retired to highsec, and never bothered with the happenings outside of high security space again. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
ginlaan	Posted - 2009.10.13 20:30:00 - [254] Edited by: ginlaan on 13/10/2009 20:31:14 "On a date NO LATER THAN one year (probably significantly sooner), Entity (yes, the collector) has agreed to take receipt of my character and all of its assets and pay out the IPO on my behalf from my assets." Unless i am reading this wrong this is why i think people think that you would not last and therefor just threw there isk at you hoping for a quick turnaround.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.13 21:58:00 - [255] Well, fortunately other people have stepped in to cover down on the folks wanting out. =) Meganoita here will hopefully buy out the other two guys asking for refunds now. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Meganoita	Posted - 2009.10.15 00:22:00 - [256] both refunds should be covered now
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.15 14:29:00 - [257] Yep, you're awesome. :) goes to update his first post -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.20 03:37:00 - [258] After some experimenting tonight, I've discovered that you can't really link ship fittings into your bio. Don't know what the problem is with links in the bios. :( I have my junk though, and would be happy to link them into a mail for anyone who sends me an EVEmail asking for them. I'm pretty much broke now though, so add me to your friends' list so I don't pay CSPA charges. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Spectre Wraith Darwin Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.20 05:29:00 - [259] Enjoy the toys. Again, if you want a copy of a certain capturing software so we can see them in action, lemme know.
Tom Peeping	Posted - 2009.10.20 14:27:00 - [260] LOL If I wanted to participate in this, and if I had any doubts, I'd take a chance on him soley because of his having made "Eve online is for BOB". IMO, his best work. Even with BOB gone, I still go and listen and lol to that one every now and then.

Dr Takiyoma Traders Industrialists and Miners of EVE R.H.I.N.O.	Posted - 2009.10.21 13:33:00 - [261] Take a screenshot of the fittings in game and link them here.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.21 21:24:00 - [262] Screenshots don't show module names though...that's the whole point of this exercise. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Murixo M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.10.21 23:16:00 - [263] Edited by: Murixo on 21/10/2009 23:16:22 Been in touch with Curzon, these are the fittings: Nightmare: Highs: 1 x Salvager II 2 x Chelm's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser 1 x Small Tractor Beam I 2 x Draclira's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser Mids: 1 x Chelm's Modified Cap Recharger 1 x Cormack's Modified Tracking Computer 3 x Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field 1 x Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier 1 x Estamel's Modified Large Shield Booster Lows: 3 x Chelm's Modified Heat Sink 2 x Chelm's Modified Power Diagnostic System Rigs: 2 x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I 1 x Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Paladin: Highs: 2 x Small Tractor Beam I 4 x Chelm's Modified Tachyon Beam Laser 1 x Salvager II Mids: 1 x Cormack's Modified Sensor Booster 1 x Cormack's Modified Tracking Computer 2 x Chelm's Modified Cap Recharger Lows: 3 x Chelm's Modified Heat Sink 1 x Centus X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener 1 x Chelm's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1 x Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer 1 x Centus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Rigs: 1 x Large Ancillary Current Router I 1 x Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Drones: 5 x Hobgoblin II 5 x Hammerhead II
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.10.22 04:28:00 - [264] ****ing nice fits
Giannamichaels	Posted - 2009.10.22 14:24:00 - [265] Just looks like the cookie cutter setups to me lol
Hern Runner	Posted - 2009.10.22 16:44:00 - [266] Originally by: Giannamichaels Just looks like the cookie cutter setups to me lol Got to love your name m8 ;) sorry offtopic
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.22 18:29:00 - [267] Those particular fittings on those ships are configured that way for specific circumstances. Like in all things, fittings change as appropriate. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Estella Vance	Posted - 2009.10.23 12:44:00 - [268] LOL, and I thought that missioning in 3 bil. faction/deadspace Nightmare is luxury...
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.25 21:43:00 - [269] Hey folks! I posted my Golem Fitting for advice, and have been quite scoffed at. :( Apparently I'm supposed to be using torps instead of cruise launchers. I'll explore selling the cruise launchers to replace them with torps; there are a set of four for sale for 6.4 billion ISK right now (I think he's asking too much), especially given that one of the other sellers is willing to sell one for 1.25 billion. If anyone is willing to help me get Estamel's Modified Siege Launchers, get in touch with me; we can work something out. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Count MonteCarlo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.10.25 22:17:00 - [270] Would I be correct in assuming the main purpose of these ships + fits, will be for npcing?

Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.26 03:04:00 - [271] Well, you could say for NPCing. But not really. Their purpose is just to be made and admired. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Count MonteCarlo Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2009.10.26 08:21:00 - [272] What a waste, why not make them PVP fitted and go out in a blaze of glory at least? I can give you a lot of advice on how you can do this without dying terribly if you want it
Dr Takiyoma Traders Industrialists and Miners of EVE R.H.I.N.O.	Posted - 2009.10.26 18:27:00 - [273] Edited by: Dr Takiyoma on 26/10/2009 18:29:42 Originally by: Curzon Dax Screenshots don't show module names though...that's the whole point of this exercise. Try clicking on Modules under Show info on the Ship. You need to be in the ship whilst doing it.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.10.26 21:16:00 - [274] That shows the same thing as when I save a fitting...which I've done and am giving to anyone who asks for it. :) -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Dr Takiyoma Traders Industrialists and Miners of EVE R.H.I.N.O.	Posted - 2009.10.27 07:46:00 - [275] Yeh but people can look at it on the forums without the hassle of asking you for it! Immediate gratification!
star destroyerv	Posted - 2009.12.17 20:43:00 - [276] hey curzon what is the current status of the IPO? When does the return come? I haven't seen you online for quite a bit.
Turiel Demon Minmatar Celtic industries The AsyIum	Posted - 2009.12.17 21:46:00 - [277] Originally by: star destroyerv hey curzon what is the current status of the IPO? When does the return come? I haven't seen you online for quite a bit. He still answers his mails, I'm sure he hasn't just run off with the isk don't fret Just count on it being September 2010 and you can only be pleasantly surprised if it happens sooner, that's what I'm thinking vOv
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.20 14:20:00 - [278] Edited by: Curzon Dax on 20/12/2009 14:20:46 Yes, still leaving Eve. Yes, payout is still in order. I haven't been online lately because there's a bitter fight with CCP over billing issues; I haven't paid for Eve in a long time because of time cards, and Eve used to get paid for with an account that's not active anymore, and CCP auto-charged / renewed a defunct account without authorization, leading to overdraft charges on a bank account that was closed, and the charges can't be disputed because the account is closed (although it apparently wasn't at the time) and I never found out about it for ages because I stopped using that bank....no one called / e-mailed / nothing. Then I got a letter in the mail that I'd been sent to collectors for this ridiculous sum of over-drawn / drafted fees attached to an attempted $14.99 subscription charge, and CCP's responses are form letter "Sorry, not our fault can't do anything to help" Seriously getting irritated. Account is active right now, which is saying a lot, but this passed the point of ridiculous two weeks ago. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
ouroboros trading Gallente Medics On Fire	Posted - 2009.12.20 16:12:00 - [279] jesus christ, had a bank do that to me once, the halifax, but i explained what happened and they went 'oh, ok...yes we can see this now writes off charges. I was expecting them to ask me for a pint of my blood or something. Tried explaining it to the bank? if the account was closed, i'm pretty sure you can't be liable for charges on it? eitherway ccp look very much in the legal wrong here, good luck! :) 966109? That's Numberwang!
Jared D'Uroth Minmatar Universal Peace Operation	Posted - 2009.12.25 19:31:00 - [280] Originally by: Turiel Demon Originally by: star destroyerv hey curzon what is the current status of the IPO? When does the return come? I haven't seen you online for quite a bit. He still answers his mails, I'm sure he hasn't just run off with the isk don't fret Quoting for the fail === Quote: I think the point [of t3] was that your foes would never know how you were fit, adding the element of surprise. Like, surprise!!! I decided to go with EHP and DPS.

Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.25 20:30:00 - [281] And of course... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1239501&page=1 -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Turiel Demon Minmatar Celtic industries The AsyIum	Posted - 2009.12.25 20:44:00 - [282] Haha, well played Got 9 bil out of me, shame to see it go vOv
flakeys T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.12.25 20:45:00 - [283] Originally by: flakeys Originally by: Jadun Originally by: Ambo Ok, this is one of the dumbest IPOs I've ever seen. You've got loads of shiny stuff that you're not using that's worth 150-200 bil. You want other people to give you 50 bil to pimp a Golem and a Paladin for... somthing, we have no idea what. In 6 months to a year, Entity gets hold of your char, buys all the items (effectively from himself) and gives the proceeds to investors. You won't sell your own stuff to raise the cash to do this despite the fact that there is no reason not to do so. You don't say what the ships are for. You say your stuff will not get blown up. This is Eve, unless you're just going to look at it in a hanger then there is always a chance. Clearly the only reason people would invest in this is your rep (and entity's) and the amazing returns on offer. Only trouble is, it makes absolutely no fricking sense. Massive returns promised + a 'plan' that makes no sense = warning flags. For what it's worth, I really don't believe you're aiming to scam or anything. Best of luck to investors I guess. you are too dumb for words, but i will give it a try. Such a statement says more in my books about you then ambo. Allthough i don't feel this is a scam purely going on someones 'rep' ingame has proved a wrong discission in the past or is your memory faiding that fast? There does not allways have to be a 'reason' to do something and obviously the OP just wants to go out with a blast.Be it a 50 bille scam or a super IPO time will tell. Who is too dumb for words now.
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2009.12.25 20:49:00 - [284] Originally by: Curzon Dax And of course... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1239501&page=1 For my 2.3b I demand a song. SONG!
Hashimoto Hoshiko Caldari Hashimoto Corporation	Posted - 2009.12.25 22:52:00 - [285] Curzon Dax never fails to deliver.
Turiel Demon Minmatar Celtic industries The AsyIum	Posted - 2009.12.25 22:57:00 - [286] Originally by: Hashimoto Hoshiko Curzon Dax never fails to deliver. he just may not deliver quite what you expect
Dzil Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.25 22:57:00 - [287] Originally by: Dzil ... you didn't make a parody of my bank fail song. :( 500m reserved pending karaoke. /sigh Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m
Goodwill City Amarr The Society of Goodwill	Posted - 2009.12.25 23:15:00 - [288] Eve appears to be a bottomless pit of dumb people
Ave Volta Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2009.12.25 23:54:00 - [289] Well played indeed. -------------------------------- chown -R us:us /yourbase
Paul Clavet Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2009.12.26 02:44:00 - [290] From page 3: Originally by: Paul Clavet Best "I'm quitting Eve and will double your ISK!" scam ever. I look forward to the threadnaught this will create when Curzon takes the money and declares himself the greatest scammer ever. Oh sure, sure, call me a troll and dismiss me. When you guys don't get your money back, I'm going to point back to this post and giggle with glee. giggles with glee Do I get some iskies for being the only one to call it? ---- Blog: My Loot, Your Tears

Kalrand Charles Ponzi School of Business GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.12.26 03:01:00 - [291] Originally by: Kalrand Wow. So just how much have you vacuumed up so far? Not quite a straight out "You'll all get had" but the tone was there.
Myra2007 Perkone	Posted - 2009.12.26 04:14:00 - [292] Originally by: Spectre Wraith People really dont know how to handle their money. If I had more in my expendible fund, I'd still be putting more in on this. Hopefully you haven't had to deal with to many "omg u gif isk back" people who can manage their money. On the bright side though, at least the ones getting it back won't be benefiting from this. Best post in this thread retrospectively. Oh lord and that from a guy in a corp named Darwin Inc. or something. Priceless. Time to biomass dude. -- Originally by: Professor Slocombe I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
Estella Vance	Posted - 2009.12.26 04:40:00 - [293] Dammit Curzon! You ruined my Christmas :( I feel, that this one deserves investor's review of the scam, in your c&p thread (when I'll get home). Also, these threads will be my favourite ones for a while, as I expect a lots of tears, flames, smartassing and trolling
Spectre Wraith Darwin Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.26 05:40:00 - [294] Edited by: Spectre Wraith on 26/12/2009 05:41:18 Myra, read a few more words over, you know, the one that says expendible. Trust me, I lost very little on this. I took a (small) chance, I also wrote the amount off expecting nothing in return. I got the hint at what this was months ago after a convo he and I had. Sometimes you have to take a chance at things, this was unique and interesting. Edit - I am giggling at all the people posting to "ask" for money from him.
flakeys T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.12.26 08:52:00 - [295] Funny , yih scammed for 4 bille and got bumped to hell. Curzon scammed for 50 bille and a day later only 4 replies?Mass stupidity is less butthurting eh?
Megan Aven Amarr	Posted - 2009.12.26 12:22:00 - [296] It appears he scammed for much more than 50B. ---
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.26 15:59:00 - [297] Indeed, it was 374,405,000,000. It happened in three phases. Phase 1: I solicited 50 billion ISK to fund a Paladin and a Golem. I actually got all those funds incredibly quickly; in a couple of days. Phase 2: A couple of folks had been asking for their ISK back because they needed them for time cards, and it gave me the idea that I could create a gap in my fund from people needing ISK back. I got a lot more ISK from people who thought that they were shoring up the missing gap in 50 billion ISK, but were in actuality contributing to its growth. Phase 3: When this petered out, and I was starting to feel guilty / paranoid about people asking for refunds...and worried that someone might make a damning post (like adding up number of investors who posted, let alone those who didn't), I cut it off. From here, I started approaching people individually; asking them to privately fund 20 billion ISK to cover the cost of a third Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field in exchange for my Meta14-fitted Golem when I left Eve. I moved the date of payment up to Christmas (yesterday), to provide incentive and let greed do its work. I got 15-20 billion ISK each from a lot of people who thought that they were going to get a Meta14 fit Paladin, or Golem, or Vindicator for Christmas. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Dead Geisha	Posted - 2009.12.26 16:25:00 - [298] Originally by: cosmoray I can say though, that IMO Curzon is one of the stand up people in the game. Nice analysis, cosmo! I look forward to the next scam you will endorse.
flakeys T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.12.26 16:48:00 - [299] Originally by: Dead Geisha Originally by: cosmoray I can say though, that IMO Curzon is one of the stand up people in the game. Nice analysis, cosmo! I look forward to the next scam you will endorse. ' Too scared to post with your main troll?
Rhivre Caldari Built to Last	Posted - 2009.12.26 17:26:00 - [300] Edited by: Rhivre on 26/12/2009 17:27:14 Pfft, Not sure why anyone invested, although I guess the "parodies" spaceship fame helped ^^ The dodgyness was there in the previous (long) argumentative thread. But, congrats on interweb spaceships cash :) People will do anything for a shot at "free" stuff....remember guys n girls,if it seems to good to be true, it is :p

Vasta Magna Yarex Shipyards	Posted - 2009.12.26 17:53:00 - [301] Totally unshocked by this. Business plan was sketchy as hell.
ginlaan	Posted - 2009.12.26 18:17:00 - [302] Can i please have my isk back or some of of it at least? I know you did this not for tears or stuff like that but man this one hurt me. My thoughts on why i invested were not to make a killing since if it was i would of put more in, it was purely based on trying to help another person reach a goal they had wanted to do before they left game. You had seemed like the right person for that since i was familiar with your songs and your rep at the time. I choose wrong i understand that i understand the risk involved. If you choose not to of course that is fully your choice and i would need to live with it. I ask you to please Dont crush my belief in what people are and stand for and why i choose to help you.
Bret Caliaro Fortuna inc. Leather Rose Syndicate	Posted - 2009.12.26 18:18:00 - [303] I always wondered if MD had a near endless amount of isk to lose, so far it seems that way. _________________________________________________ I'm a so very lazy, so I play smart not hard.
Cista2 Jita Direct Sale	Posted - 2009.12.26 18:40:00 - [304] Why is everyone idolizing this scamming ********? I don't get it. ---------------------------------------- Buy / sell Jidsale shares here
RAW23	Posted - 2009.12.26 18:44:00 - [305] Originally by: Cista2 Why is everyone idolizing this scamming ********? I don't get it. Not sure. He's presenting it as taking advantage of people's greed and the CP folk seem to be buying that (although they tend to admire scams anyway). Its a shame he can't see, or doesn't want to see, that he took advantage of people's trust rather than their greed.
Cista2 Jita Direct Sale	Posted - 2009.12.26 18:54:00 - [306] Originally by: RAW23 the CP folk seem to be buying that (although they tend to admire scams anyway). I meant this thread actually. Any new player that tries to raise 1 bn gets ripped to pieces on MD, while this scammer gets a standing ovation ("well played", "well played indeed" etc) Go figure. ---------------------------------------- Buy / sell Jidsale shares here
flakeys T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.12.26 18:54:00 - [307] Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Cista2 Why is everyone idolizing this scamming ******? I don't get it. Not sure. He's presenting it as taking advantage of people's greed and the CP folk seem to be buying that (although they tend to admire scams anyway). Its a shame he can't see, or doesn't want to see, that he took advantage of people's trust rather than their greed. Quite simple: As you can see allmost no one who has invested has posted as i stated earlier.This shows they mostly feel their epeen been crushed a bit , specially since a lot of them had comments on the yih and general newbold offer and are being shownwrong 10 times as hard now.Those that do post tend to behave like it's all in goody good. Also he was handing out isk so people not involved would see him as a good guy/robin hood/whatever.Shows me that he is needs to give people isk to be liked and remembered. His reasoning is just bull in my eyes btw , he is an attention* and nothing more.He did not set this up from the start wich he is letting people believe.He just allways had a big epeen probably , discovered how that tends to work like a charm and now wanted to leave his epeen mark on eve. This is offcourse speculation and he can/will claim i am wrong wich he offcourse is entitled to.I just won't believe a he says since he is nothing more then a scammer and i don't believe ** scammers say.
flakeys T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.12.26 19:08:00 - [308] Originally by: Cista2 Originally by: RAW23 the CP folk seem to be buying that (although they tend to admire scams anyway). I meant this thread actually. Any new player that tries to raise 1 bn gets ripped to pieces on MD, while this scammer gets a standing ovation ("well played", "well played indeed" etc) Go figure. How would you feel if you had laughed about the general newbold and yih investments wich where just peanuts and then stepped into one of the biggest scams so far? Most people feel their epeen's been hurt way too much to admit the stupidity.At least the guy above is honest allthough he is begging for his isk back. The rep-thing i have discussed in a ji sama thread while back.Most people still believe in rep despite Ricdic , Xabier and now this one.This will allways be the case and we can just wait for another big heist and in the meantime see the people who fall for it beat down the new players asking for some pocket change. I rather invest in new people like 15 bille in Raw23 as i have now , knowing the risk it gives , then hand out any dime to a big uncollateralised loan that is based on reputation alone.
Cista2 Jita Direct Sale	Posted - 2009.12.26 19:14:00 - [309] Originally by: flakeys How would you feel if you had laughed about the general newbold and yih investments wich where just peanuts and then stepped into one of the biggest scams so far? The investors would have my full sympathy if they were raging. The emotions displayed here are not natural. ---------------------------------------- Buy / sell Jidsale shares here
flakeys T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.12.26 19:22:00 - [310] Originally by: Cista2 Edited by: Cista2 on 26/12/2009 19:18:53 Originally by: flakeys How would you feel if you had laughed about the general newbold and yih investments wich where just peanuts and then stepped into one of the biggest scams so far? The investors would have my full sympathy if they were raging. I tip my hat to Ginlaan as well, he is honest. But to applaud the scammer is disgraceful. Have the same feeling over ginlaan and others as u state .. takes a lot more balls to ask back for isk and admit faillure then to pretend the OP is the coolest bloke around.

Galal Dax Dead poets society The Laughing Men	Posted - 2009.12.26 19:35:00 - [311] So I suppose all the rest of this was BS too then, "brother"? I found you full of BS from the first post when you came on here telling everyone how rich you were, etc., etc. You were back but were leaving - but not before you wasted everyone's time lying to them, setting up private meetings to scam and lie some more. Don't you have anything better to do? What a waste of oxygen, if you indeed breathe the stuff. Originally by: Curzon Dax Edited by: Curzon Dax on 20/12/2009 14:20:46 Yes, still leaving Eve. Yes, payout is still in order. I haven't been online lately because there's a bitter fight with CCP over billing issues; I haven't paid for Eve in a long time because of time cards, and Eve used to get paid for with an account that's not active anymore, and CCP auto-charged / renewed a defunct account without authorization, leading to overdraft charges on a bank account that was closed, and the charges can't be disputed because the account is closed (although it apparently wasn't at the time) and I never found out about it for ages because I stopped using that bank....no one called / e-mailed / nothing. Then I got a letter in the mail that I'd been sent to collectors for this ridiculous sum of over-drawn / drafted fees attached to an attempted $14.99 subscription charge, and CCP's responses are form letter "Sorry, not our fault can't do anything to help" Seriously getting irritated. Account is active right now, which is saying a lot, but this passed the point of ridiculous two weeks ago.
ginlaan	Posted - 2009.12.26 19:36:00 - [312] Edited by: ginlaan on 26/12/2009 19:39:12 Thanks for the kind words. I Feel more kicked in the stomach then anything. My amount was not much by any means only about 1.3billion.I did in fact believe in this guy and thought what a novel idea and i would like to see it fulfilled so i sent some isk. I applauded his approach and thinking and defended him to others in the thread about asking for refunds. They knew the terms such as i did and the risk such as i did. It still does not help that i was really hoping to help curzon fulfill his last wish in eve. It appears his last wish was not what it appeared to be :-( I Still will help people when asked and always be willing to take a chance on new people in MD when i can. I can not let this stop or impead me but like i stated this one sure hurt. Edit: Curzon knows i am not full of **** either since he may recall the eve mail i sent to him stating how i wished to emulate him on my exit from eve someday and i thought it was a great idea. Of course i was also sending him another 300million isk on top of that evemail since he had asked for more:-)lol sometimes hindsight is 20/20 they say?
Promethian child Amarr 0utbreak	Posted - 2009.12.26 19:55:00 - [313] Lost a chunk of cash in it so i admit being dazzled by the whole rep thing. Lesson learned keep your ISK in your pocket or own projects and never ever trust anyone on MD. The only thing that bothered me was that i convinced a corp mate to take part in this scam but i already settled things with him.
Kruntologist Red Eye .Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.26 20:02:00 - [314] Originally by: Promethian child Lost a chunk of cash in it so i admit being dazzled by the whole rep thing. Lesson learned keep your ISK in your pocket or own projects and never ever trust anyone on MD. The only thing that bothered me was that i convinced a corp mate to take part in this scam but i already settled things with him. Don't try blaming this on MD. I could easily change your sentence to read Quote: Lesson learned keep your ISK in your pocket or own projects and never ever trust anyone in EVE. Seriously, ANY TIME you take ISK out of your wallet and put it into someone else's there is a huge risk. In fact, the few times that I do I automatically write the ISK off as lost so if/when I do get it back it is a pleasant suprise.
Nouva MacGyver Caldari MacGyver Communications	Posted - 2009.12.26 20:06:00 - [315] This thread makes for an interesting study and reiteration of some points mentioned with regards to trust coupled with reputation. My hat goes out to the people who've managed to at least have the good sense to question how the OP's plan and updates as it went along doesn't add up or simply made less and less sense. If one were to detach their self emotionally and re-read this thread from the beginning with an open mind, they can start to discern which posts were the legitimate concerns and which ones were the emotionally charged defenses for the OP. It probably does nothing for those who are already astute enough to ask the right questions, but this thread is a perfect example of something that one should add to their "eve knowledge" and pick up lessons from so as to never take specific details (or lack of it) for granted again. It's a game after all, and due to the nature of Eve different rules need to apply for decision making in such "ventures"- ones which are different in real life where reputation in and of itself plays a wider reaching importance and has different implications and consequences. For those "serious" about "investing" in Eve (i.e. wants to take intelligent risks proportionately more than an emotional gamble) they should take a moment to step back and reconsider all the potential red flags, and cross examine them accordingly.
Cista2 Jita Direct Sale	Posted - 2009.12.26 20:09:00 - [316] Edited by: Cista2 on 26/12/2009 20:11:04 Originally by: Promethian child Lesson learned keep your ISK in your pocket or own projects and never ever trust anyone on MD. I feel for you, but it wouldn't be an MMO if there wasn't the aspect of putting trust in your fellow players. You should be able to trust someone, but whom you trust is up to you. Scamming is not the general outcome of investments, which is also why I took offense to the gist of page 10-11 of this thread. Scamming is not cool. Edit: damn, Nouva said it much better ---------------------------------------- Buy / sell Jidsale shares here
Varo Jan Caravanserai Consulting	Posted - 2009.12.26 20:14:00 - [317] yawn How tedious. Ten years from now whatever-his-name-is will be wearing the same t-shirt and telling his scam story for the millionth time to bored mates. Ten minutes from now EVE will have forgotten his name. Next?
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2009.12.26 20:27:00 - [318] This thing did seem pretty sketchy. He could have sold off some of his items for the isk he needed, and his justification for not doing so ("selling rare and precious things sucks") was not completely satisfying. He refused an audit, which could have proved that he wasn't as rich as he said. Of course, there was the fact that he had left EVE already and was going to leave again. He accused pretty much anyone who said "scam" of trolling. Then there was Curzon's suspicious response to my discussion of collateral. With all of that, I decided not to invest, despite the huge promised returns. I did reduce my risk estimation when people started asking for refunds and getting them, although it didn't matter much since he refilled the investment quickly and I was a bit suspicious that they were alts or something. I noticed that Curzon was the only one keeping track of the amount invested, and would have checked myself if I had wanted to invest, but I was too lazy to do it since I had no intention of investing and since I figured a lot of people had invested in game. Originally by: Curzon Dax From here, I started approaching people individually; asking them to privately fund 20 billion ISK to cover the cost of a third Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field in exchange for my Meta14-fitted Golem when I left Eve. I moved the date of payment up to Christmas (yesterday), to provide incentive and let greed do its work. I got 15-20 billion ISK each from a lot of people who thought that they were going to get a Meta14 fit Paladin, or Golem, or Vindicator for Christmas. Why did NONE of those people post here, either about the private funding or the new deadline? I'm always worried that the investee has more nonobvious unsecured isk that belongs to others, but before this, I expected that someone providing private funding would probably post publicly about it in relation to the public offering, unless they were a friend, corpmate, etc. who would probably not be scammed. Originally by: flakeys The rep-thing i have discussed in a ji sama thread while back.Most people still believe in rep despite Ricdic , Xabier and now this one.This will allways be the case and we can just wait for another big heist and in the meantime see the people who fall for it beat down the new players asking for some pocket change. I rather invest in new people like 15 bille in Raw23 as i have now , knowing the risk it gives , then hand out any dime to a big uncollateralised loan that is based on reputation alone. Indeed, even though I had limited firsthand knowledge of Curzon's rep, I assigned a fairly large value to his rep based on the statements of others. I definitely will be more careful about that in the future. However, I think rep is still fairly important. In the last few months, we've had at least 3 major scams from new people (General Newbold, glas mir, Z'Xera, and maybe Kouryusei), compared to this 1 big scam. My evaluation was that Curzon's rep only partially offset all the problems, so I didn't invest. Clearly, however, many people put too much trust in Curzon based on his rep and did not pay enough attention to the warning signs.
flakeys T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.12.26 20:33:00 - [319] Those 3 you call big scam got away with maximum half the isk the OP has run off with and they had to fight hard on the forums to get that isk.Their threads where kept active for a long time and i bet this one will go down to the next page a lot faster. The op just set up a chair , launched the thread and got the isk flowing in like water.I'm curious as to what his max wuld have been , wouldn't be surprised if he could have gotten 100 bille loan.
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2009.12.26 20:46:00 - [320] Originally by: flakeys Those 3 you call big scam got away with maximum half the isk the OP has run off with and they had to fight hard on the forums to get that isk.Their threads where kept active for a long time and i bet this one will go down to the next page a lot faster. I didn't say big, I said major. That means I excluded things like the Slave Ada one, which was only 50M. Those 3 investments were 16.1B + 15B + 8B = 39.1B. Z'Xera didn't actually get anything though, so the amount actually scammed was 24.1 B. There is possibly another 2.5B for the Bitter Sea Trading Company, whose status is now uncertain. So, pretty close to half of the 50B that Curzon got publicly. Anyways, my point is that you need to be careful about all your investments. A lot of people were not careful about this one because of his rep, which turned out to be partially fake. Originally by: flakeys The op just set up a chair , launched the thread and got the isk flowing in like water.I'm curious as to what his max wuld have been , wouldn't be surprised if he could have gotten 100 bille loan. Yeah, I think he could have gotten several hundred billion more if he had really wanted to. However, it is clear that he didn't do this for the isk, as he was randomly giving some of it away.

cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.26 20:55:00 - [321] I lost 500M to this. A bit ****ed really, because I used to play poker with Dax and had some other previous dealings. He had always dealt honestly with me. I was lucky I didn't invest more, as he convo'd me a few times about buying up other people's stakes (which didn't exist). Although I thought it an interesting rpoject I told him I didn't want much money tied up for long periods, so I was only lucky in that regard. I think 2009 is my worst year for being burned on investments: FIMD Yih Curzon Dax Luckily I had none in DBANK and only 1M ISK in EBANK.
Vasta Magna Yarex Shipyards	Posted - 2009.12.26 21:03:00 - [322] Add Nova Wayout to the above two lists. Don't remember how much that one was, but small. Wasn't there a thread about a possible bailout for FIMD investors at some point? Obviously it didn't materialize but I don't remember how it all ended.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.26 21:08:00 - [323] I actually gave away most of the ISK, not some of it. Not that it makes me Robin Hood - I still have about 250 billion ISK worth of Meta 14 modules. I didn't do it for fame or fortune...that's a misnomer for you who think so - I've already been famous. Eve Radio, Eve-TV, EON Magazine...I've had my fifteen minutes of fame more than once and enjoyed it. I did this because I hadn't done it before. In answer to the question why none of my individual investors posted, it was because I had an announced payout date of Sept. 2010. I told each individual investor that they were privvy to a secret; that I was planning on paying out my IPO on Christmas instead (IE, in a month or two from when we talked), and that I would avail them to helping my IPO in exchange for their promise not to tell anyone that I was paying out sooner, or that I was looking for additional cash. IE, social engineering. I can't speak for Yih, and haven't followed the forums for a long time so I don't know what he did - but the social engineering shirt/sticker is a trademark of jinx.com - you can buy all sorts of cool T-shirts and stuff there. I got it along with a "I am the Fed" T-shirt at Defcon 2005, where I was the keynote on...social engineering. :) The most memorable part of it was actually winning $6,000 at the Hard Rock casino Thurs-Saturday, and losing it all on Sunday. >< -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2009.12.26 21:27:00 - [324] Originally by: Curzon Dax In answer to the question why none of my individual investors posted, it was because I had an announced payout date of Sept. 2010. I told each individual investor that they were privvy to a secret; that I was planning on paying out my IPO on Christmas instead (IE, in a month or two from when we talked), and that I would avail them to helping my IPO in exchange for their promise not to tell anyone that I was paying out sooner, or that I was looking for additional cash. IE, social engineering. Oh, I see. This is a problem; how can we avoid this in the future? I think there is no legitimate reason an investee would try to keep private investment secret. We should seek to have all private investment announced alongside the public investment. Maybe they would want to keep the names private, but the amount of private funding should be known, as it increases the risk of a scam and the amount of isk lost if it is a scam. A continuous audit of Curzon would also have revealed this, although that could be circumvented as well by having the private investors send isk to an unaudited alt with some additional social engineering.
Cista2 Jita Direct Sale	Posted - 2009.12.26 21:28:00 - [325] Originally by: Curzon Dax I didn't do it for fame Then try stop posting kbaithx. ---------------------------------------- Buy / sell Jidsale shares here
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2009.12.26 21:44:00 - [326] Edited by: Kapila Parthalan on 26/12/2009 21:44:39 Originally by: Curzon Dax I actually gave away most of the ISK, not some of it. Not that it makes me Robin Hood - I still have about 250 billion ISK worth of Meta 14 modules. If you still have about 250B in those modules alone, you hardly gave away most of the 374,405,000,000 isk you took. Edit: fixed typo
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.26 22:44:00 - [327] Originally by: Kapila Parthalan Originally by: Curzon Dax In answer to the question why none of my individual investors posted, it was because I had an announced payout date of Sept. 2010. I told each individual investor that they were privvy to a secret; that I was planning on paying out my IPO on Christmas instead (IE, in a month or two from when we talked), and that I would avail them to helping my IPO in exchange for their promise not to tell anyone that I was paying out sooner, or that I was looking for additional cash. IE, social engineering. Oh, I see. This is a problem; how can we avoid this in the future? I think there is no legitimate reason an investee would try to keep private investment secret. We should seek to have all private investment announced alongside the public investment. Maybe they would want to keep the names private, but the amount of private funding should be known, as it increases the risk of a scam and the amount of isk lost if it is a scam. A continuous audit of Curzon would also have revealed this, although that could be circumvented as well by having the private investors send isk to an unaudited alt with some additional social engineering. Classic scammer/con man trick. Chat in private to hide from the public. I've seen several "scams" like this in just the last couple months.
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2009.12.26 22:49:00 - [328] Originally by: Dretzle Omega Classic scammer/con man trick. Chat in private to hide from the public. I've seen several "scams" like this in just the last couple months. Really? Which scams were those? I know there are frequently loan requests where the investee asks potential investors to contact him in-game. However, I have not seen a case where the investor is asked to keep the investment secret.
Jessicat	Posted - 2009.12.26 23:38:00 - [329] Originally by: Curzon Dax I actually gave away most of the ISK, not some of it. Not that it makes me Robin Hood - I still have about 250 billion ISK worth of Meta 14 modules. I didn't do it for fame or fortune...that's a misnomer for you who think so - I've already been famous. Eve Radio, Eve-TV, EON Magazine...I've had my fifteen minutes of fame more than once and enjoyed it. I did this because I hadn't done it before. In answer to the question why none of my individual investors posted, it was because I had an announced payout date of Sept. 2010. I told each individual investor that they were privvy to a secret; that I was planning on paying out my IPO on Christmas instead (IE, in a month or two from when we talked), and that I would avail them to helping my IPO in exchange for their promise not to tell anyone that I was paying out sooner, or that I was looking for additional cash. IE, social engineering. I can't speak for Yih, and haven't followed the forums for a long time so I don't know what he did - but the social engineering shirt/sticker is a trademark of jinx.com - you can buy all sorts of cool T-shirts and stuff there. I got it along with a "I am the Fed" T-shirt at Defcon 2005, where I was the keynote on...social engineering. :) The most memorable part of it was actually winning $6,000 at the Hard Rock casino Thurs-Saturday, and losing it all on Sunday. >< I'm a pretty new around MD (since august maybe), I wanted to get into trading and all that, had a little bit of money saved. I read a lot about IPOs, bonds, shares, banks, fail-banks, etc. After reading Curzon's proposal I decided it was my time to invest, not a lot as most MD guys suggest (1 billion), what can I say Curzon seem reliable, even I had listened to some of his songs, so I ended up investing another 2b for a total of 3b, which is 50% of my total wealth assets included (mistake, I know, now). I feel really crushed about this whole thing, I know I'm the only one to blame since I decided to invest, I am also not ashamed to say that I send an eve-mail to Curzon begging for some of my money back, I'm sure I have not been the only one to do that, got no response. Now Curzon, since you did this because it was the only thing you had left to do in EVE, and you succeeded... couldn't you just give us the money back? First of all cause you are leaving anyway, second you already acomplished your goal, and third do you really want to leave EVE this way? and be remembered because af a scam? I hope not. Jessi
Bad Behavior	Posted - 2009.12.26 23:47:00 - [330] Originally by: Entity Posting to confirm Curzon and I had a little chitchat the other day and that I will be handling the payouts when he departs. On a side note, it looks like a good deal for everyone involved really :-) Posting for posterity.

ginlaan	Posted - 2009.12.26 23:48:00 - [331] We should hope he makes a post here when Karma bites him or someone in his family in the butt. Bad things happen to Bad people regardless of the scene. Yea yea i know its spaceship games and all but Karma will still get him or someone he loves one way or another :-)
tattooott	Posted - 2009.12.27 00:13:00 - [332] Originally by: Bad Behavior Originally by: Entity Posting to confirm Curzon and I had a little chitchat the other day and that I will be handling the payouts when he departs. On a side note, it looks like a good deal for everyone involved really :-) Posting for posterity. As stated this will be dealt with.
Kushan Caldari Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.12.27 00:17:00 - [333] Yeah not surprised by this outcome. A bit surprised by the amount he managed to get, I didn't think the investors were THAT dumb. Then again, I suppose I should be used to underestimating human stupidity by now. For those whining about the power of rep, what rep did Dax have exactly? He was popular and had a huge cult following. That's not rep, or at least not the sort that should be worth much in a business deal. If anyone but Dax had made an offering this terrible with so many gaping holes it would be laughed down. This is yet another case of halo effect - giving people money because you like them despite their business plan being ** is always a bad idea. Even if he had a worthwhile plan I have a personal rule: never ing trust a drama *. That's all Dax is when you come down to it. Drama *s are fickle creatures, and dealing with one will always end up biting you in the ass eventually. So, in conclusion, anyone whining about losing their isk should cry more. You deserve it. Also lol I know someone who invested in this, and I'm never going to stop giving them ** about it \o/
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.27 00:57:00 - [334] Play the game for a few years, and then the only fun left to be have is making a bit of drama... -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Awesome Possum Imperium Signal Corps	Posted - 2009.12.27 01:24:00 - [335] Originally by: ginlaan We should hope he makes a post here when Karma bites him or someone in his family in the butt. Dude, someone with your mentality shouldn't be allowed in MMOs. You sound like one of the butthurt forum trolls after the Serenity Now funeral raid (WoW). Its a game, ones and zeros that you didn't even own, CCP did. Quote: Bad things happen to Bad people regardless of the scene. Yea yea i know its spaceship games and all but Karma will still get him or someone he loves one way or another :-) I'm sure Dodiez is making him sleep on the couch for this heinous act p.s. Curzon, tell Dodiez I said hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Estella Vance	Posted - 2009.12.27 02:07:00 - [336] Originally by: RAW23 Edited by: RAW23 on 26/12/2009 18:50:47 Originally by: Cista2 Why is everyone idolizing this scamming ******? I don't get it. Not sure. He's presenting it as taking advantage of people's greed and the CP folk seem to be buying that (although they tend to admire scams anyway). Its a shame he can't see, or doesn't want to see, that he actually took advantage of people's trust rather than their greed. This offering was far more dependent on his rep than on any promised return. I've been playing for about year now, and at one point I had some spare ISK lying around. I came across MD and all this investment thing, and Bad Bobby's T4U was my first try. Then I stumbled upon Curzon's offer. While I was suspicios at first, he made an impression of solid businessman with solid reputation, like a mini-Chribba or somethin, so I decided to try out my luck. Originally by:** ginlaan My thoughts on why i invested were not to make a killing since if it was i would of put more in, it was purely based on trying to help another person reach a goal they had wanted to do before they left game. We are in a same boat, man, and this is my story. There was a nice guy in my small industrial/pve corp a while back, that I knew for months. He wanted to make some ISK, and we decided to go for some lv4s. I decided to test him, and gave my t2/faction navy apoc, worth around billon, for faster grind. Although his wallet was probbably barely 1/4th of that value, he properly gave it back, when we finished missioning. After all that "trust noone in eve" thing I heard before, it made me smile and giggle to myself, and it was a great feeling, to have such a good person in corp. He had that small dream about having faction boat one day, namely CNR, and he honestly worked towards it, but then something happened, and he decided to quit, and he gave me all of his stuff. It wasn't billions, but it was really nice. Then Curzon convoed me, to milk some more ISK. My suspicion reached it's highest bar, but I remembered my corpmate and his quitting eve without trying out the most shiny pixels, so I decided to throw in one more bil., to help fulfilling a great man's dream (Well I helped a bit. Without me, this scam would be 2bil. smaller...). I mean, c'mon, I trusted few months old nobody with billion, and this is a famous Curzon. What can go wrong? lol I don't care about random people pointing at me, and laughing "haha, what a idiot, this was so obvious". Thou I feel pretty ashamed in front of my corpmates; about how their wealthy (for their standarts), a bit greedy but lighthearted activist got ripped by eve elite. I believe, that in my small corp, I have always given more, than taken. I think, I saw Curzon as bigger, bolder and more intellectual me. I have never scammed and I don't think I ever will, so I guess my investment was based on this feeling. That, and my corpmate's quitting+stuff giveaway, was enough, to give me a firm belief in this venture. Unfortunately I was wrong. Originally by: Cista2 Why is everyone idolizing this scamming ********? I don't get it. I despise scammers more than anything in eve, but speaking in c&p highest standarts, this is how it should be done, in terms of isk amount/brainwashing scale. I know, I should be angry. I don't have access to eve, as my computer is in service, I am almost out of liquid isk, and I have 2 accounts, that will run out of plex time soon. But I honestly don't feel any hatred towards Curzon. Instead it's rather deep dissapointment, and sense of a unique gaming/social experience, that I must carefully think over, and learn from it. I feel sorry for people, that lost more, than they could afford in this.
Jaedar Metron ZCMI Magnum Opus.	Posted - 2009.12.27 02:44:00 - [337] Originally by: Jaedar Metron 500m isk sent. I'm not gonna be playing myself, so would be nice to find a big stack of money waiting for me when I get back :) Boo, that was half my money... Lesson learned, I guess. As many others, I too believed in Curzon's reputation, and Entity's. Resubbed a few weeks ago, then get these great news slapped in my face :) Well played and stuff, should have seen it coming. -JM
gallchecker	Posted - 2009.12.27 03:37:00 - [338] lmao scammed again md? The forum elite sure know how to suck badly at reading people eh?
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2009.12.27 04:38:00 - [339] Originally by: gallchecker lmao scammed again md? The forum elite sure know how to suck badly at reading people eh? Not that I'm elite in any way, but when people asked me if what I think of this, I said I'm not touching it because I think it's a ploy to get ISK. When they said "Why he has a good rep" I said "That's the point, someone who has been in the game as long as him doesn't just choose to leave one day and burn all his bridges on exit." If any of those people invested, then I have one thing to say "I told you so" :) Amarr for Life
Cobalt Sixty Caldari Piezochem	Posted - 2009.12.27 07:31:00 - [340] Edited by: Cobalt Sixty on 27/12/2009 07:32:27 Originally by: RAW23 Its a shame he can't see, or doesn't want to see, that he actually took advantage of people's trust rather than their greed. This offering was far more dependent on his rep than on any promised return. I think this sums up the situation quite accurately.

flakeys T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.12.27 07:41:00 - [341] Edited by: flakeys on 27/12/2009 07:45:17 Originally by: Kapila Parthalan Those 3 investments were 16.1B + 15B + 8B = 39.1B. Z'Xera didn't actually get anything though, so the amount actually scammed was 24.1 B. There is possibly another 2.5B for the Bitter Sea Trading Company, whose status is now uncertain. So, pretty close to half of the 50B that Curzon got publicly. Don't want to be a precise pain but this is the way i the threads got bumped till death wich was funny. Claims r yih got away with a big amount.He got between 3 to 5 only MAX. General was said mutliple times that he was probably using alts who 'claim to invest' , if you look at the thread closely you will see it probably was not more then a max of 15 bille. Originally by: Vasta Magna Add Nova Wayout to the above two lists. Don't remember how much that one was, but small. 1.5 bille. Still we ain't getting 50 bille peop keep going. That's precisely the problem people keep bumping them months in a time and we tend to think it was bigger then it actually was. Then these huge scams by so called friends with rep get bumped a week at most and most have forgotten about it in a few months time and it didn't seem big anyway because no one bumped it.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.12.27 08:34:00 - [342] Originally by: Rhivre Edited by: Rhivre on 26/12/2009 17:27:14 Pfft, Not sure why anyone invested, although I guess the "parodies" spaceship fame helped ^^ The dodgyness was there in the previous (long) argumentative thread. But, congrats on interweb spaceships cash :) People will do anything for a shot at "free" stuff....remember guys n girls,if it seems to good to be true, it is :p QFT People are asking to get scammed. Curzon tried to convo me several times, and wanted to talk business with me. It was obvious he was talking out of his ass.. Hence i just added him to block.
Cista2 Jita Direct Sale	Posted - 2009.12.27 08:49:00 - [343] Originally by: Awesome Possum Dude, someone with your mentality shouldn't be allowed in MMOs... Its a game, ones and zeros that you didn't even own, CCP did... p.s. Curzon, tell Dodiez I said hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Lmao, who are you? You seem to know and like this scammer, yet apparently you were not around when he said his infamous "the recipient of my funds knows in the back of his mind that I can reach out and touch them". Bad karma eh? (Which, incidentally, was when I made a mental note that he was a sociopath, albeit a popular one, and shouldn't be trusted with anything.) ---------------------------------------- Buy / sell Jidsale shares here
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.12.27 11:44:00 - [344] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 27/12/2009 11:45:09 Quote: Why did NONE of those people post here, either about the private funding or the new deadline? Ever heard of why honest investees accept and endorse being audited? Because they won't resort to these tricks. One so rich and going to quit anyway could have wanted to make everything clear with a minimal expense. He did not do so. Quote: Indeed, even though I had limited firsthand knowledge of Curzon's rep, I assigned a fairly large value to his rep based on the statements of others. I definitely will be more careful about that in the future. However, I think rep is still fairly And this is why rep is bad and since day 1 I am trying to open people's eyes about it. Heck, even with hard numbers it's hard already - some guys are smart enough to forfeit the limited game mechanics made to check them. Figures trusting words, in a forum where scamming is tolerated and sometimes supported! Quote: I feel really crushed about this whole thing, I know I'm the only one to blame since I decided to invest, You could have asked me for a free "opinion" on this and would have saved your money. It was quite possible it was a scam: given the sketchy "plan", either the guy was not to quit for real (= lie => scam) or he was (= nothing to lose but the possibility to leave with a big BOOM => scam). - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.12.27 12:33:00 - [345] Didn't see this until now. Reputation and everything else aside, ya'll got taken for almost 400b isk by what amounts to the classic jita "send me money and I'll send you back double!". That, quite frankly, rules. If I wore a hat, it would be off to you, Dax.
Dracorimus Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.12.27 13:01:00 - [346] Edited by: Dracorimus on 27/12/2009 13:02:31 I dont see how anyone can be delighted at this guys way of scamming. I mean it simply shows how bad human nature can be, even when in a virtual surround. Using what appeared to be, a good reputation, to scam a lot of folks, and then burn a lot of bridges and just show how bad people can be, and then gloat about it. Doesnt this happen enough outside of virtual worlds, and is perhaps one of the reasons we all like to escape into them for a bit. Oh well, congratz on being a huge turd I suppose, all your psychofants are obviously happy for you. I for one am happy that you are leaving, one less low life in game. One more thing, we all know people can be far to trusting and as you would say "dumb", but this just shows that some people are way to good for the likes of you, and people keep feeling a need to abuse people's good sides. Quite pathetic. ≡v≡ Gurista's Powered
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2009.12.27 15:10:00 - [347] Originally by: flakeys This time the people who actually asked the right question -look at my ambo link a page back- got snapped at not just by the OP but also by those investing and THAT in itself is the supidest thing about the whole of this.Reread the whole thread knowing what you know now and see that the people who actually asked for the old safeguards where neglected or battered down. Yes, I remember how those people were called trolls by Curzon and also attacked by other investors. I have in fact reread (well, skimmed) the thread and I see the same things as before: people asking for audits and colateral or questioning Curzon's rep and "buisness plan" being attacked or ignored. This is exactly why I avoided this investment. Originally by: flakeys In regards to the private discussion it happends and allways has.After my investment with RAW23 of an extra 10 bille we discussed how to do this and both agreed it is in best interest to be posted on the forums.The moment someone you give isk to says it is best not to there should be an alarm clock ringing. But this has not been the first time , for example i remember and ipo offering when i was new to MD and treelox said it was nothing to invest in , then when i took the last bit of investment all of a sudden i could not according to the person asking for a loan because i had not enough rep wich was odd to say the least.Then all of a sudden treelox had taken it and after close inspection had edited his:'this means nothing 'to 'great offer i will take X amount'.In other words he had approached the loan asker ingame and made a deal.For someone who at the time seemed to have a good amount of isk and had a good amount of investments i found this the most stupid/senceless act.Greedy is as greedy does , luckily this only is about a small percentage of the Md regulars. Md uses backdoor politics , allways has and allways will.Choice is just to participate or not.I'd say no thx .. I also agree that trying to keep the investment secret is highly suspicious. However, I think that making deals in game is reasonable, as long as all of that information is posted publicly as well. Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha And this is why rep is bad and since day 1 I am trying to open people's eyes about it. What do you mean, rep is bad? Rep is still a good indicator of the risk of scam/default. It definitely should not be sufficient in and of itself, but it is a factor that is important to consider. Rep is why we trust people like Akita T, cosmoray, Bad Bobby, and Proton Power with more than General Newbold and similar people, which I think is completely reasonable. In this case, Curzon didn't really have a rep as an investee.
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.27 16:18:00 - [348] Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 27/12/2009 16:22:37 Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 27/12/2009 16:19:06 Originally by: Kapila Parthalan Originally by: Dretzle Omega Classic scammer/con man trick. Chat in private to hide from the public. I've seen several "scams" like this in just the last couple months. Really? Which scams were those? I know there are frequently loan requests where the investee asks potential investors to contact him in-game. However, I have not seen a case where the investor is asked to keep the investment secret. Riethe did one just recently. Then there was Davramm, but that can't officially be called a scam until he actually runs away with money, if he makes another attempt. Then this one. There was a lame one that was a one-line attempt that didn't go through. Yih's scam touched on it, but not really. The fact of the matter is, there is no reason why you should need an in-game chat for a public bond offering. There's nothing that can be said in-game that can't be said in public on the forums. The only reason to do so, really, is to gain your confidence without having others see and/or pick apart issues. The "con" in con man is for "confidence". EDIT: I remember another one where a guy tried twice here and was spamming in local for a loan. He could have been legit, but wanted to convo you to sell you on his great business plan. EDIT2: And it's not necessarily about the investor being asked to keep a secret, just words to gain his confidence out of the public eye.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.27 16:20:00 - [349] Originally by: Kapila Parthalan In this case, Curzon didn't really have a rep as an investee. That's correct. I didn't have a business plan. I didn't shoot anyone down as a troll who wanted me to lay out a business plan - I said that there is no business plan. I was simply going to spend their ISK on fancy Meta14 gear, and when I left Eve, Entity was going to reward their investments triple. I didn't need a business plan to create ISK to pay interest or principle back because I was mega-wealthy and the idea of me stealing 50 billion ISK ws ludicrous. And to be honest...the idea that I would steal 50 billion ISK is ludicrous. 400 billion...that's worth it. The reputation that I worked very hard to create wasn't of a sound businessman and trader, although I rightfully have some of that; I've creates some sound empires and made people fantastically rich from my work. The reputation I was trying to create was of an ultra-rich playboy. I gave away billions upon billions of ISK through forum contests (out of pod), hosted lotteries on Eve Radio, donated billions more through Eve Radio contests... A lot of my wealth actually came from Eve Radio lotteries back in the day. I'd sink 10 billion ISK into lottery tickets where everyone else combined had 1 billion ISK. Not a perfect system, but it worked well. I sunk 50 billion ISK to win 5 billion ISK. Why not? Make 5 billion ISK for no work? Point being - that was the reputation I was after. So when I started this IPO, it was a matter of "Why would I ever steal 50 billion ISK?" And the honest answer is, "I wouldn't." Selling officer mods IS a time-consuming and wrenching process. I don't ever want to have to do it again. And I did give away 1/3 of what I stole in Dodixie. This is the first criminal act I've ever done in any game ever, and some of the heart-wrenching posts have actually made me return ISK to people. Then again, I've gotten a bunch of "I hope you die" stuff too. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
Roguehalo Caldari Kimoto Innovations	Posted - 2009.12.27 16:22:00 - [350] This is about the saddest thread I've ever read in Eve. Not because the investors' lost all there money. But because it reveals in all it's pathos what a really really sad person the op is. He did give you a clue beforehand though. Anybody remember the thread where he said he wouldn't lend anybody any isk unless he had their rl details? Curzon Dax........you are a truly pathetic person

Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.27 16:25:00 - [351] Originally by: Roguehalo This is about the saddest thread I've ever read in Eve. Not because the investors' lost all there money. But because it reveals in all it's pathos what a really really sad person the op is. He did give you a clue beforehand though. Anybody remember the thread where he said he wouldn't lend anybody any isk unless he had their rl details? Curzon Dax........you are a truly pathetic person So he could "reach out and touch you". /me shivers.
RAW23	Posted - 2009.12.27 16:37:00 - [352] Originally by: Curzon Dax This is the first criminal act I've ever done in any game ever, and some of the heart-wrenching posts have actually made me return ISK to people. Well done you. Now be a good chap and give the rest back, eh? You've had the fun of the scam now, you're leaving eve so you don't need the isk for anything. If you leave on this note you'll be remembered as a low-life **** who took advantage of people who trusted him, not as the playboy you seem to want to be. If you give it back (making up the given away portion out of your own pocket) you'll have had the fun of the successful scam without actually being a thief. I'm not sure which was the experience you wanted but I'd guess the first rather than the second. I know you're a decent guy (you were kind enough to spend some of your time giving me a tutorial on reprocessing a few months back) and would hope you would extend some empathy to those who have, in all likelihood, poured quite a bit of time, work and effort into making the isk you scammed off them. Your christmas pressie was to make a bunch of people feel like crap and to take their belongings. Are you really the type of person that enjoys doing this kind of thing to people? The fun of actually doing the scam, I can understand. The consequences, on the other hand are not something I would enjoy taking responsibility for.
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc SRS.	Posted - 2009.12.27 16:55:00 - [353] Originally by: Awesome Possum Dude, someone with your mentality shouldn't be allowed in MMOs. You sound like one of the butthurt forum trolls after the Serenity Now funeral raid (WoW). ROFL I dunno exactly what happened but sounds like a funeral got ganked Closed until further notice
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.27 17:00:00 - [354] When normal people get bored, they tend to quit, not steal and compromise their integrity, assuming from your posts that you feel you are normally a man of integrity.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.27 17:01:00 - [355] And a final announcement - I'm retiring from Eve today. Giving away all my stuff, settling my accounts, giving back more ISK and stuff to people who invested it in me, and calling it quits. This will be my last post on the forums ever. Good luck Eve Online; its been a fun ride (parts of it), and I'll miss some of you. On a sidenote, I've been giving refunds to pretty much anyone who asked for them - Spectre Wraith just scammed me out of 6 billion ISK. laughing He said that he was going to die and couldn't afford GTCs without that 5 billion ISK, and his corp blah blah blah...so I gave him 6 billion ISK so he'd have a billion in profit too, and it turns out that he only invested a billion ISK with me. Well played. :) -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
RAW23	Posted - 2009.12.27 17:10:00 - [356] Edited by: RAW23 on 27/12/2009 17:11:02 Originally by: Brock Nelson Originally by: Awesome Possum Dude, someone with your mentality shouldn't be allowed in MMOs. You sound like one of the butthurt forum trolls after the Serenity Now funeral raid (WoW). ROFL I dunno exactly what happened but sounds like a funeral got ganked Yeah - this one was hilarious! A gamer suffered a stroke and died, so a bunch of ingame friends held an ingame memorial service, intending to take some pictures to pass on to the family, to show them in what high regard their relative was held by his/her online friends. So some guys, and wait, cos this is the really funny part, thought they would grief the grievers! Soooo funny! Oh no, wait, what's the word I was looking for? Ah, that's right, not funny ... contemptible. About as funny as carrying out a paintball gun drive-by on a real life funeral. Edit - Curzon, really glad to hear it.
Spectre Wraith Darwin Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.27 17:21:00 - [357] Edited by: Spectre Wraith on 27/12/2009 17:22:16 I posted it in the other thread, but here you go Dax. Quote: Only because Curzon asked me to, otherwise I wouldn't have said a word, but my initial investment of 1b netted a 500% return. After a pretty gutwrenching sob story of being flat broke (far from true), having to need to ask corp mates for my 5b back(lol) that I had invested, he felt compelled to help a "poor soul" out. I'm a fan of social engineering Dax, and normally wouldn't do that under any other circumstances, but you asked for it. ;) Touche Friend! o/ (Ps - I knew alot of the old Serenity Now crew.)
brutoid Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.27 18:14:00 - [358] Originally by: Curzon Dax This will be my last post on the forums ever. Promises, promises......
Jessicat	Posted - 2009.12.27 18:22:00 - [359] Originally by: Curzon Dax And a final announcement - I'm retiring from Eve today. Giving away all my stuff, settling my accounts, giving back more ISK and stuff to people who invested it in me, and calling it quits. This will be my last post on the forums ever. Good luck Eve Online; its been a fun ride (parts of it), and I'll miss some of you. On a sidenote, I've been giving refunds to pretty much anyone who asked for them - Spectre Wraith just scammed me out of 6 billion ISK. laughing He said that he was going to die and couldn't afford GTCs without that 5 billion ISK, and his corp blah blah blah...so I gave him 6 billion ISK so he'd have a billion in profit too, and it turns out that he only invested a billion ISK with me. Well played. :) I asked for some refund and didn't get any, is there something people did or say to get some of the money back? I was hoping to get some of that spare change you got left If not, well hope you find what you are looking for out there. Cheers
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc SRS.	Posted - 2009.12.27 18:23:00 - [360] Originally by: RAW23 Edited by: RAW23 on 27/12/2009 17:11:02 Originally by: Brock Nelson Originally by: Awesome Possum Dude, someone with your mentality shouldn't be allowed in MMOs. You sound like one of the butthurt forum trolls after the Serenity Now funeral raid (WoW). ROFL I dunno exactly what happened but sounds like a funeral got ganked Yeah - this one was hilarious! A gamer suffered a stroke and died, so a bunch of ingame friends held an ingame memorial service, intending to take some pictures to pass on to the family, to show them in what high regard their relative was held by his/her online friends. So some guys, and wait, cos this is the really funny part, thought they would grief the grievers! Soooo funny! Oh no, wait, what's the word I was looking for? Ah, that's right, not funny ... contemptible. About as funny as carrying out a paintball gun drive-by on a real life funeral. Get a life will ya? Wait, you're here and you spend 10 minutes to do your write ups, that must count right? Closed until further notice

RAW23	Posted - 2009.12.27 18:34:00 - [361] Originally by: Brock Nelson Originally by: RAW23 Edited by: RAW23 on 27/12/2009 17:11:02 Originally by: Brock Nelson Originally by: Awesome Possum Dude, someone with your mentality shouldn't be allowed in MMOs. You sound like one of the butthurt forum trolls after the Serenity Now funeral raid (WoW). ROFL I dunno exactly what happened but sounds like a funeral got ganked Yeah - this one was hilarious! A gamer suffered a stroke and died, so a bunch of ingame friends held an ingame memorial service, intending to take some pictures to pass on to the family, to show them in what high regard their relative was held by his/her online friends. So some guys, and wait, cos this is the really funny part, thought they would grief the grievers! Soooo funny! Oh no, wait, what's the word I was looking for? Ah, that's right, not funny ... contemptible. About as funny as carrying out a paintball gun drive-by on a real life funeral. Get a life will ya? Wait, you're here and you spend 10 minutes to do your write ups, that must count right? Sorry. I didn't realise that having a life involved taking pleasure from other people's suffering. Will try harder, I promise. BTW - I hear you can find videos of kittens being tortured on the net. Should I start with these or work my way up to them? Also, how long do I need to spend writing something to qualify for a life? Please tell me as I really, really want one. And yes, I do have a rod up my arse on issues like this. I find the idea that human interactions don't really count if the medium of communication is pixel-based to be both deplorable and based on a complete failure of the intellect. I guess we shouldn't take phone calls seriously either because, you know, its just molecular vibrations you're hearing. Its not like its an actual person you're interacting with.
Galal Dax Dead poets society The Laughing Men	Posted - 2009.12.27 18:49:00 - [362] Originally by: Curzon Dax And a final announcement - I'm retiring from Eve today. Giving away all my stuff, settling my accounts, giving back more ISK and stuff to people who invested it in me, and calling it quits. This will be my last post on the forums ever. Good luck Eve Online; its been a fun ride (parts of it), and I'll miss some of you. On a sidenote, I've been giving refunds to pretty much anyone who asked for them - Spectre Wraith just scammed me out of 6 billion ISK. laughing He said that he was going to die and couldn't afford GTCs without that 5 billion ISK, and his corp blah blah blah...so I gave him 6 billion ISK so he'd have a billion in profit too, and it turns out that he only invested a billion ISK with me. Well played. :) Good - clap clap now leave Why don't you return what you stole to EVERYONE before leaving - you have no need of it - and are so far superior to all that are here, as you demonstrate yourself in your every post.
Bret Caliaro Fortuna inc. Leather Rose Syndicate	Posted - 2009.12.27 20:12:00 - [363] Originally by: RAW23 Sorry. I didn't realise that having a life involved taking pleasure from other people's suffering. Will try harder, I promise. BTW - I hear you can find videos of kittens being tortured on the net. Should I start with these or work my way up to them? Also, how long do I need to spend writing something to qualify for a life? Please tell me as I really, really want one. And yes, I do have a rod up my arse on issues like this. I find the idea that human interactions don't really count if the medium of communication is pixel-based to be both deplorable and based on a complete failure of the intellect. I guess we shouldn't take phone calls seriously either because, you know, its just molecular vibrations you're hearing. Its not like its an actual person you're interacting with. tbh I agree with raw here it's kind of sad, but there are two kinds of people here, people who think most should act the way they should (which I would prefer) and people who know most wont because anonymity means you don't have to and just accept it. (Which I know all too well) I re-learned recently not to have a serious dicussion on the internet, you wont get one. Had a discussion with a corp mate recently about knife crime which a RL friend of mine has experienced, and he just joked and generally **ed me off, in the end i was annoyed at myself for even bringing it up in EVE I should've known it would turn into what it did. On this topic, I've only been scammed once by a RL friend who said to me when I saw him "It's only a game." and I agree with him but didn't mean I thought he was any less of a . He was that kind of guy who would borrow a tenner then try and get out of it. (luckily it wasn't my tenner i learned not to give him **.) _________________________________________________ I'm a so very lazy, so I play smart not hard.
Kranwe Sentai	Posted - 2009.12.27 20:42:00 - [364] I've been wondering some time now how someone would recover from this, if: - they sold their t2 bpo's far cheaper than usual to raise the amount needed to invest - they converted most of what they had into ISK - foolishly invested - realise one morning that they were scammed - thinking this is just a game but realising the amount of time and effort it has taken over the years to aquire a nice balance and assets all to be wiped out How do you all do it? I suppose some of those scammed simply didn't lose that much - but what about those few like me, who were novices and newcomers to the EVE markets - who lost everything and now started from scratch - how do they cope? Do some of them just quit playing? Find a new path in Eve? I'd just like to hear anyone elses thoughts, to help me feel better about the new year. And I don't mean I want to hear sad things, only positive things. If anyone else is in a rutt like me, lets get togther ingame and try to get back into the market race :-) Kranwe
gallchecker	Posted - 2009.12.27 20:47:00 - [365] Here is the thing. Investing in anything that doesnt give you 100% collateral Minimum is the same as betting on a horse race. Sooner you realise that reputations are completely worthless in online games the better.
Kranwe Sentai	Posted - 2009.12.27 20:54:00 - [366] Thanks, I kind of figured that out the hard way. I've been looking for a new investment oppertunity which I could really really trust and put my last millions into it - and expect to get it back. But now I feel tremors whenever I think about taking any risks. I wish EVE had a reputation meter in-game. On another note - I do feel better finally talking about it, instead of keeping all the agony and anger inside. It's not like I am going to ragequit due to my own stupidity. I admire a lot of you folks here - and trust quite a few too. I just feel like I got in over my head - be it due to greed or just feeling lucky - and now I don't seem to have the balls for the market game any longer. I still remember the months ice mining for my first small investment :-) Thanks for your comments, gallchecker :)
Cista2 Jita Direct Sale	Posted - 2009.12.27 21:56:00 - [367] Originally by: Kranwe Sentai now I don't seem to have the balls for the market game any longer. Don't give up - if you want ultimate security for your next investment, buy into Tornsoul's new 3 % offering, or something that is fully collateralised. ---------------------------------------- Buy / sell Jidsale shares here
JOSAL EXAN	Posted - 2009.12.27 22:19:00 - [368] Kranwe, this is the first time i hear a lady say, "i don't have the balls...". Well of course you don't. You're a woman.
Umbra Tenebrae	Posted - 2009.12.27 22:31:00 - [369] I don't understand why some of the people are calling him Robin Hood of eve in c&p. Robin Hood stole from bad people and gave the money to those, who suffered from them. Was these investors really just a rich and greedy *******s, that earned their isk on other people suffering? I think, that giving a stolen isk to noobs doesn't qualify someone as a good person, you can aswell give away someone's hard earned isk to a total jerk or next scammer.
Kranwe Sentai	Posted - 2009.12.27 23:19:00 - [370] Thanks Cista2, JOSAL EXAN and Umbra Tenebrae for your comments. Nice family here. I managed to sell three 60D GTC's yesterday for 1.5b and paid back two loans with interest. Now all I have to do is grind away for a couple months and I can buy back my Hulk BPO (which is being held as collateral until I pay off my final loan). Ironic, since without it, it makes it harder to pay back my loan and they are using it to produce Hulk bpc's as "interest". Well, all is fair, I knew this when I invested. But bottom line is, feeling better each day. It's not like it's the end of the world :-) I will probably build up from Hek then TMP and finally Jita.

Kranwe Sentai	Posted - 2009.12.28 00:00:00 - [371] OMG I just had to post this (you know the feeling you get from the first kiss or winning the lottery or something)!! Some very kind person gave me 50 million ISK for a new start. My stocmach got butterfly's in it when I saw that. So a huge thank you to Lucius Lure for your generous help. As I stated to him in the mail I replied to, that "it's only a loan and I am going to pay him back" - so I made a new Note with I.O.U :) And, there's more! I'm saving up for the Obelisk and will start doing small collateral (eventually the big collateral again) courrier runs for trusted serious marketeers around Jita/Tash :) (I calculated ice mining is around half as profitable as 2 years ago) Better than just sitting around feeling sorry for myself :) MD is like therapy to me now - and it's working - inspiring :) MD kicks GD's behind :D (peoplewise)
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.28 00:30:00 - [372] Kranwe, why are you posting here about a sob story about an investment? You weren't one of my investors. -------------------------------------------------- Eve-Online Parodies: Music To Laugh To
RAW23	Posted - 2009.12.28 00:38:00 - [373] Originally by: Curzon Dax Kranwe, why are you posting here about a sob story about an investment? You weren't one of my investors. LOL - Whilst I'm not sure I'd take Curzon's word anymore, something about "poor little noobie me" didn't quite chime with "I have a Hulk BPO".
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.12.28 00:40:00 - [374] A hulk BPO is around 100B ISK.
Clair Bear Ursine Research and Production	Posted - 2009.12.28 00:50:00 - [375] 374M with the old Romeo "I'm quitting eve, send me ISK and I'll send double your ISK back" scam on a grand scale. A fantastic job of separating the foolish from their not-so-hard earned ISK. Er, that is, I meant to say: I invested all I had. You mean person you. Without those ISKies I can't gank miners. Plx send me either wads of cash or lots of megathrons, kthxbye. And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question?
Turiel Demon Minmatar Celtic industries The AsyIum	Posted - 2009.12.28 01:05:00 - [376] Originally by: Kranwe Sentai Thanks, I kind of figured that out the hard way. I've been looking for a new investment oppertunity which I could really really trust and put my last millions into it - and expect to get it back. But now I feel tremors whenever I think about taking any risks. I wish EVE had a reputation meter in-game. On another note - I do feel better finally talking about it, instead of keeping all the agony and anger inside. It's not like I am going to ragequit due to my own stupidity. I admire a lot of you folks here - and trust quite a few too. I just feel like I got in over my head - be it due to greed or just feeling lucky - and now I don't seem to have the balls for the market game any longer. I still remember the months ice mining for my first small investment :-) Thanks for your comments, gallchecker :) Don't let yourself beleive that not having much ISK is a barrier to enjoyment in eve... hell, early on when you dont' have much isk - maybe just a few million from running a couple of hours of missions - is the time when you can make the best returns on trading, it's when your ISk multiplies fastest and you'll be back on your feet in no time. Heck, it's good to get had for a small amount early on, much better than to not have the experience and go through it with a lot more isk (9.5b for me now) when you start investing more serious amounts! Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Saint Lazarus art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse	Posted - 2009.12.28 01:14:00 - [377] Not that it was hard but I did see it coming and convinced a friend to pull his ISK out asap.......I think he did manage to get a refund in time, if not I told him so ----------------- My EvE Comic
Darwin's Market	Posted - 2009.12.28 01:18:00 - [378] I am really not surprised because Curzon always seemed like a prick from his pvp postings.
Kranwe Sentai	Posted - 2009.12.28 01:24:00 - [379] Actully my trade alt was affected by your scam. Also I don't want to spam MD with a new thread about my story. I wanted to share in an existing thread. The bright side is that due to some kind folks here I was able to rebuild very quickly and am returning their kind "investments" tomorrow, leaving me enough to not have to start from scratch, no thanks to you. What happened to never returning?
Opfinder	Posted - 2009.12.28 02:10:00 - [380] Originally by: Curzon Dax And a final announcement - I'm retiring from Eve today. Giving away all my stuff, settling my accounts, giving back more ISK and stuff to people who invested it in me, and calling it quits. This will be my last post on the forums ever. Can anyone confirm they've gotten some ISK back? since i haven't and i have tried mailing and convoing Curzon Dax

Estella Vance	Posted - 2009.12.28 04:44:00 - [381] Originally by: Opfinder Originally by: Curzon Dax And a final announcement - I'm retiring from Eve today. Giving away all my stuff, settling my accounts, giving back more ISK and stuff to people who invested it in me, and calling it quits. This will be my last post on the forums ever. Can anyone confirm they've gotten some ISK back? since i haven't and i have tried mailing and convoing Curzon Dax No isk back from Curzon and no begging from me. I would appreciate refund, but I won't drop on floor and cry for that.
flakeys T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.12.28 06:50:00 - [382] Originally by: Estella Vance Originally by: Opfinder Originally by: Curzon Dax And a final announcement - I'm retiring from Eve today. Giving away all my stuff, settling my accounts, giving back more ISK and stuff to people who invested it in me, and calling it quits. This will be my last post on the forums ever. Can anyone confirm they've gotten some ISK back? since i haven't and i have tried mailing and convoing Curzon Dax No isk back from Curzon and no begging from me. I would appreciate refund, but I won't drop on floor and cry for that. ''That's the mentality i like ... just say ** you curzon for being a little and this just proved your pvp stories probably where as fake as this you pulled here.Keep the isk you ** you'll need it to buy new friends just as with your money give away crap in dodixie.''
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.12.28 09:57:00 - [383] Quote: What do you mean, rep is bad? Rep is still a good indicator of the risk of scam/default Rep is bad because it can be built and engineered. You mention General Newbold and this shows you don't see the real issue. It's not with the "5B scam, if IQ > 20 = scam detected" but those who have a smidge of brain can gather tens of billions and then scam. Those are the danger. A guy with 5B can act and boast like he had 50. He can have a shiny web site, an old character. He can have a collection of T2 BPOs or a State Raven. This will make gullible investors fall like fleas onto his trap, "BECAUSE OF REP". So - since there's an unofficial "scam them more" race going there - one day we'll read about "hey guys I managed to scam you 1 trillion, aren't I l33t for this?" (assuming EBANK is not that one already). And the guy WILL have this sublime well built up rep and the bunch of morons will smell the rep and fall for it. It's really true. Those unable to learn from their mistakes are doomed repeating them. MD is the testament to the truest of a darwinian humanity: trolls, flamers, scammers, thieves live all here and feed of dumb fat wallets whose brain is well inferior to their cash. Quote: Will try harder, I promise. BTW - I hear you can find videos of kittens being tortured on the net. Should I start with these or work my way up to them? My last kitten got given me by a family friend veterinary. At 1 month old, "for fun", she got burned alive, bones broken, partially blinded and then put in a sacket and thrown in a garbage bin with basketball motion. I and my family took 3 years to cure her and even yesterday, she could not open her ruined eye because of the cold. Maybe once a person lives the consequences of what others did for sport, he can learn the value of respect. Maybe. Quote: now I don't seem to have the balls for the market game any longer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't give up - if you want ultimate security for your next investment, buy into Tornsoul's new 3 % offering, or something that is fully collateralised. Notice on the missions forum, when you tell them they earn so much with so little risk, they bring exactly marketing as "gives much more money per hour with no risk" :D Quote: 'That's the mentality i like ... just say ** you curzon for being a little and this just proved your pvp stories probably where as fake as this you pulled here.Keep the isk you ** you'll need it to buy new friends just as with your money give away crap in dodixie.'' This is the sad part about those leaving like Curzon Dax: they will be forgotten and considered sh!t. Nice departures. I found out that quitting with friends helps a lot more. In EVERY game I played including EvE, I got approached and helped because I was known off some other game before: "you are that Sahrokh feral druid in WoW? Still have your MSN" "You were Vaerah in Naga Corps in WH?" And I got helped and befriended and invited because of the past, in fact I find it a good sign when someone calls in "references" off old games instead of hiding in suspicious anonimity. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
gallchecker	Posted - 2009.12.28 13:42:00 - [384] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: What do you mean, rep is bad? Rep is still a good indicator of the risk of scam/default Rep is bad because it can be built and engineered. You mention General Newbold and this shows you don't see the real issue. It's not with the "5B scam, if IQ > 20 = scam detected" but those who have a smidge of brain can gather tens of billions and then scam. Those are the danger. A guy with 5B can act and boast like he had 50. He can have a shiny web site, an old character. He can have a collection of T2 BPOs or a State Raven. This will make gullible investors fall like fleas onto his trap, "BECAUSE OF REP". So - since there's an unofficial "scam them more" race going there - one day we'll read about "hey guys I managed to scam you 1 trillion, aren't I l33t for this?" (assuming EBANK is not that one already). And the guy WILL have this sublime well built up rep and the bunch of morons will smell the rep and fall for it. Well said. I already suspect 2 of the biggest names here are doing exactly this. Setting up the con so that when they leave their OUT of game game sales of accounts will probably net them thousands. So what if their 'rep' here is ruined? Who gives a crap if cash is your aim? Numerous of you are already setup for a fall imo.
Mme Pinkerton Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.28 14:04:00 - [385] Originally by: gallchecker I already suspect 2 of the biggest names here are doing exactly this. Setting up the con so that when they leave their OUT of game game sales of accounts will probably net them thousands. Yes, a few possible scams do indeed come to mind - but I don't think their primary motivation would be RL cash... Originally by: Curzon Dax Play the game for a few years, and then the only fun left to be have is making a bit of drama... this.
flakeys T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.12.28 14:08:00 - [386] Come on peole say names .. just stating 2 persons who possibly will scam is not enough to say told you so and you know it
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2009.12.28 15:13:00 - [387] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha My last kitten got given me by a family friend veterinary. At 1 month old, "for fun", she got burned alive, bones broken, partially blinded and then put in a sacket and thrown in a garbage bin with basketball motion. confirming that Vaerah Vahrokha is a sick **** and horrible poster
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.28 15:35:00 - [388] Originally by: Tiberizzle Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha My last kitten got given me by a family friend veterinary. At 1 month old, "for fun", she got burned alive, bones broken, partially blinded and then put in a sacket and thrown in a garbage bin with basketball motion. confirming that Vaerah Vahrokha is a sick **** and horrible poster Reread her post, you nard. She's not the one that did that to the kitten.
Tiberizzle	Posted - 2009.12.28 15:43:00 - [389] Originally by: Dretzle Omega Originally by: Tiberizzle Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha My last kitten got given me by a family friend veterinary. At 1 month old, "for fun", she got burned alive, bones broken, partially blinded and then put in a sacket and thrown in a garbage bin with basketball motion. confirming that Vaerah Vahrokha is a sick **** and horrible poster She's the one that did that to the kitten. I just can't see what would motivate her to do such horrible things to a helpless animal Vaerah Varokha - the new Jeffrey Dahmer? It's more likely than you think.
ginlaan	Posted - 2009.12.28 15:52:00 - [390] Edited by: ginlaan on 28/12/2009 15:52:46 Originally by: Opfinder Originally by: Curzon Dax And a final announcement - I'm retiring from Eve today. Giving away all my stuff, settling my accounts, giving back more ISK and stuff to people who invested it in me, and calling it quits. This will be my last post on the forums ever. Can anyone confirm they've gotten some ISK back? since i haven't and i have tried mailing and convoing Curzon Dax Its funny how no one confirms that, isn't it? Giving anything back did not happen more then likely and its just more lies to try and save what ever face is left. I had a token amount invested and did in fact ask in evemail and on this baord and got nothing back. No one else i contacted in game involved in the investment got there isk either. Some claimed they asked as well but i cant confirm that

Scott Ryder Amarr Sisters of Korhal Terran Commonwealth	Posted - 2009.12.28 16:42:00 - [391] I think it was worth it.. 374 billion isk to never see Curzon Daxes face again is a small price to pay...
Conwakleferibok	Posted - 2009.12.28 17:04:00 - [392] Hey Curzon, if you are quitting, I'd very much like my initial investment back. Look at it this way, you taught an investment newbie a very important lesson (don't invest what you can't lose). I've been honest with you in our Eve-Mail convos. Tried to contact you ingame but for some reason it won't let me. Anyways, this is my shot in the dark. Won't fudge up numbers, my previous posts where I invested haven't been edited. I hope I get my stuff back... if not, I'll keep my clean record of everything I invest in is a scam. (Hopes I'm not too late)
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2009.12.28 17:11:00 - [393] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Rep is bad because it can be built and engineered. You mention General Newbold and this shows you don't see the real issue. It's not with the "5B scam, if IQ > 20 = scam detected" but those who have a smidge of brain can gather tens of billions and then scam. Those are the danger. A guy with 5B can act and boast like he had 50. He can have a shiny web site, an old character. He can have a collection of T2 BPOs or a State Raven. This will make gullible investors fall like fleas onto his trap, "BECAUSE OF REP". So - since there's an unofficial "scam them more" race going there - one day we'll read about "hey guys I managed to scam you 1 trillion, aren't I l33t for this?" (assuming EBANK is not that one already). And the guy WILL have this sublime well built up rep and the bunch of morons will smell the rep and fall for it. It's really true. Those unable to learn from their mistakes are doomed repeating them. MD is the testament to the truest of a darwinian humanity: trolls, flamers, scammers, thieves live all here and feed of dumb fat wallets whose brain is well inferior to their cash. I think we are not thinking of the same kind of rep. For me, rep includes the things you mentioned (character age, wealth), but much more importantly experience making isk and trustworthiness, usually based on past investments. If someone has already taken 20B in unsecured funding, it is pretty safe to trust them with 20B again, whereas an unknown asking for 20B unsecured would be suspicious. I think we all agree on this. On the other hand, it is true that rep can be built up, and a lot of people will fall for that. Just look at this thread. Curzon didn't have any investment rep, but he projected a fake rep of wealth that convinced a lot of people. We have also seen plenty of people trying to build up rep by taking progressively larger investments. However, you can usually tell if you are careful. Originally by: flakeys Come on peole say names .. just stating 2 persons who possibly will scam is not enough to say told you so and you know it Yeah. "2 of the biggest names" could be a lot of people, and it is fairly certain that there will be 2 big scams by big names at some point, so saying that doesn't mean much.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.12.28 17:24:00 - [394] Quote: I just can't see what would motivate her to do such horrible things to a helpless animal Vaerah Varokha - the new Jeffrey Dahmer? It's more likely than you think. I had to cure the animal, for years, and now she's almost recovered. Thought your posts could not get sadder or lower, but I was wrong. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Mme Pinkerton Caldari	Posted - 2009.12.28 17:57:00 - [395] Originally by: Kapila Parthalan Yeah. "2 of the biggest names" could be a lot of people, and it is fairly certain that there will be 2 big scams by big names at some point, so saying that doesn't mean much. Don't know why gallchecker did post that statement - my reply was not motivated by the desire to be "right" (then I would have thrown some names into the discussion), but by the hope to get a few people to think for themselves. Reputation is often used like a precomputed statement on some persons trustworthiness. Problem is that the group arriving at a consensus on some person's integrity/trustworthiness (i.e. the forum regulars) has a consistently bad track record when it comes to false negatives (false positives usually have the means to disprove any substantial accusations). Second point is that auditors/external accountants cannot prevent a scam - they can just try to make the build-up for a scam a little harder. If the plan is to "take the money and run away" an auditor doing monthly income statements etc. can obviously do nothing to stop the scammer. Third, in EVE it's "too big to survive", not "too big to fail". Fourth, people get bored of EVE. If you are bored, the usual assumptions about profit maximization/rationality become pretty meaningless. It can be way more fun to watch the surprise and excited chattering after you've burned a "trustworthy" character than to go from bond <n> to bond <n+1>. It's fun to exceed expectations, but once expectations have adjusted and paying out dividends becomes "business as usual" running a public offering means a lot of work/responsibility/commitments without much direct gratification. Result: you get bored. In conclusion - before investing ask yourself "would I invest, if the investee was an unknown? why not?" and "how would I go about selling this proposal if I were a scammer?"
Kit Lowa	Posted - 2009.12.28 18:28:00 - [396] Well, I hate to say I told you so... no wait, I LOVE to say I told you so!! Lets go over this lesson AGAIN shall we: If the plan makes no sense then investing isk into it is stupid. Rep is irrelevant if the business plan is crap, and in this case it was freaking ridiculous. Curzon was often evasive and unclear yet most lapped it all up, just because his name was Curzon Dax. How many Ionia's, Fast Learner's, Ricdic's and Curzon's is it going to take?!
flakeys T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.12.28 18:33:00 - [397] Originally by: Kit Lowa Well, I hate to say I told you so... no wait, I LOVE to say I told you so!! Lets go over this lesson AGAIN shall we: If the plan makes no sense then investing isk into it is stupid. Rep is irrelevant if the business plan is crap, and in this case it was freaking ridiculous. Curzon was often evasive and unclear yet most lapped it all up, just because his name was Curzon Dax. How many Ionia's, Fast Learner's, Ricdic's and Curzon's is it going to take?! Funny this is your first post ever on any of the forums yet you say: i told you so? Please link/quote me where you did ..
Jessicat	Posted - 2009.12.28 19:01:00 - [398] Originally by: Kit Lowa Well, I hate to say I told you so... no wait, I LOVE to say I told you so!! Lets go over this lesson AGAIN shall we: If the plan makes no sense then investing isk into it is stupid. Rep is irrelevant if the business plan is crap, and in this case it was freaking ridiculous. Curzon was often evasive and unclear yet most lapped it all up, just because his name was Curzon Dax. How many Ionia's, Fast Learner's, Ricdic's and Curzon's is it going to take?! What we really don't need is more "I told you so..." . That's so easy to say. You talk like it was us who did something "wrong", we did make an investment and it came out bad, but what can we do? kill ourselves because "you, already told us"? give me a break. BTW I haven't got any ISK back, so I guess Cruzon is just trying to look like Robin Hood Gonna say it again, what a sad way of leaving a game with such big comunity. Cheers!
sir gankalot	Posted - 2009.12.28 19:46:00 - [399] Originally by: Jessicat What we really don't need is more "I told you so..." . That's so easy to say. You talk like it was us who did something "wrong", we did make an investment and it came out bad, but what can we do? kill ourselves because "you, already told us"? give me a break. BTW I haven't got any ISK back, so I guess Cruzon is just trying to look like Robin Hood Gonna say it again, what a sad way of leaving a game with such big comunity. Cheers! I think it's quite epic myself. Getting this much isk from ppl is quite the achievement. Tbh, you sound a bit bitter.
Hippopotamus Rex	Posted - 2009.12.28 20:19:00 - [400] I don't get the social engineering label here. All he did was lie/steal. Does "Social Engineering" = lying, to self-important nerds now? Hey guys, I drive a Pontiac Grand Am. Am I telling the truth? Or did I just socially engineer your asses?

sir gankalot	Posted - 2009.12.28 20:24:00 - [401] Originally by: Hippopotamus Rex I don't get the social engineering label here. All he did was lie/steal. Try it yourself I would say and see how far you come. make an alt and try to do the same.
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.28 20:24:00 - [402] Originally by: Hippopotamus Rex I don't get the social engineering label here. All he did was lie/steal. Does "Social Engineering" = lying, to self-important nerds now? Hey guys, I drive a Pontiac Grand Am. Am I telling the truth? Or did I just socially engineer your asses? Social engineering is the act of manipulating people into performing actions or divulging confidential information. While similar to a confidence trick or simple fraud, the term typically applies to trickery or deception for the purpose of information gathering, fraud, or computer system access; in most cases the attacker never comes face-to-face with the victim. From wikipedia So, sounds like "social engineering" is a fancy word for conning someone, so yes, essentially just lying and stealing, though some scams are more involved. The TV show Lost had some great episodes about this.
Jessicat	Posted - 2009.12.28 20:35:00 - [403] Originally by: sir gankalot Originally by: Jessicat What we really don't need is more "I told you so..." . That's so easy to say. You talk like it was us who did something "wrong", we did make an investment and it came out bad, but what can we do? kill ourselves because "you, already told us"? give me a break. BTW I haven't got any ISK back, so I guess Cruzon is just trying to look like Robin Hood Gonna say it again, what a sad way of leaving a game with such big comunity. Cheers! I think it's quite epic myself. Getting this much isk from ppl is quite the achievement. Tbh, you sound a bit bitter. Epic? maybe Bitter? of course, wouldn't you be?
Hydroblunt Gallente Puff Monkeys Inc	Posted - 2009.12.28 20:58:00 - [404] In all seriousness, how freaking stupid can you be to actually fall for that joke of a scam?
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.28 21:02:00 - [405] Originally by: Hydroblunt In all seriousness, how freaking stupid can you be to actually fall for that joke of a scam? Extremely more stupid than you, your godship.
Hydroblunt Gallente Puff Monkeys Inc	Posted - 2009.12.28 21:05:00 - [406] Originally by: Dretzle Omega Originally by: Hydroblunt In all seriousness, how freaking stupid can you be to actually fall for that joke of a scam? Extremely more stupid than you, your godship. LOL, I guess you were dumb enough to fall for it. Hilarious.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.28 21:09:00 - [407] Originally by: Tiberizzle Originally by: Dretzle Omega Originally by: Tiberizzle Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha My last kitten got given me by a family friend veterinary. At 1 month old, "for fun", she got burned alive, bones broken, partially blinded and then put in a sacket and thrown in a garbage bin with basketball motion. I and my family took 3 years to cure her and even yesterday, she could not open her ruined eye because of the cold. Maybe once a person lives the consequences of what others did for sport, he can learn the value of respect. confirming that Vaerah Vahrokha is a sick ** and horrible poster Reread her post, you nard. She's not the one that did that to the kitten. I just can't see what would motivate her to do such horrible things to a helpless animal Vaerah Varokha - the new Jeffrey Dahmer? It's more likely than you think. Confirming that you should RE-READ her post. Also, emphasis added** for the text-and-implication blind. _ We are recruiting \| Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
Dretzle Omega Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.28 21:20:00 - [408] Originally by: Hydroblunt Originally by: Dretzle Omega Originally by: Hydroblunt In all seriousness, how freaking stupid can you be to actually fall for that joke of a scam? Extremely more stupid than you, your godship. LOL, I guess you were dumb enough to fall for it. Hilarious. Au contraire.
Hydroblunt Gallente Puff Monkeys Inc	Posted - 2009.12.28 21:24:00 - [409] Originally by: Tiberizzle Originally by: Dretzle Omega Originally by: Tiberizzle Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha My last kitten got given me by a family friend veterinary. At 1 month old, "for fun", she got burned alive, bones broken, partially blinded and then put in a sacket and thrown in a garbage bin with basketball motion. confirming that Vaerah Vahrokha is a sick **** and horrible poster She's the one that did that to the kitten. I just can't see what would motivate her to do such horrible things to a helpless animal Vaerah Varokha - the new Jeffrey Dahmer? It's more likely than you think. Wow, you really need to get off these forums, as well as EvE and go sign up for that GED program. May take you a few years to complete it, but at least you should better comprehend & follow when two or more sentences are put together in a post.
Hippopotamus Rex	Posted - 2009.12.28 22:20:00 - [410] Originally by: Hydroblunt Wow, you really need to get off these forums, as well as EvE and go sign up for that GED program. May take you a few years to complete it, but at least you should better comprehend & follow when two or more sentences are put together in a post. Wow, how does it feel to be so condescending in regards to his intelligence while in reality, you're the one who doesn't get it? It was a joke - a tasteless one, but a joke nonetheless. Perhaps your own sense of superiority is a bit misplaced?

flakeys T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.12.28 22:34:00 - [411] Originally by: Hydroblunt In all seriousness, how freaking stupid can you be to actually fall for that joke of a scam? Hydro looking at the last posts i read from you and your own thread i would like to tell you , you are an annoying little **. And no i did not invest but i can still call you an annoying little ** untill the mods kick me out or retract this post.
Star Diva	Posted - 2009.12.28 22:56:00 - [412] Do not continue posting questions or feedback to Curzon either here or ingame. He will not be responding. Curzon has left EVE and all of his wealth has been gifted to others. The last thing to go is the character itself which is being sold here http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1241257 Do not contact this character either as it will soon no longer exist
Ambo I've Got Nothing	Posted - 2009.12.28 23:28:00 - [413] Originally by: flakeys Originally by: Kit Lowa Well, I hate to say I told you so... no wait, I LOVE to say I told you so!! Lets go over this lesson AGAIN shall we: If the plan makes no sense then investing isk into it is stupid. Rep is irrelevant if the business plan is crap, and in this case it was freaking ridiculous. Curzon was often evasive and unclear yet most lapped it all up, just because his name was Curzon Dax. How many Ionia's, Fast Learner's, Ricdic's and Curzon's is it going to take?! Funny this is your first post ever on any of the forums yet you say: i told you so? Please link/quote me where you did .. Oops, wrong char, this is my main I told you so! --------------------------------------
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2009.12.28 23:39:00 - [414] Originally by: Ambo Oops, wrong char, this is my main I told you so! You can't really say "I told you so!" You did say the offer was dumb, but then you said Originally by: Ambo I really don't believe you're aiming to scam or anything The terrible quality of the offering was pretty clear, but it seems that most people did not think that it would actually be a scam.
Clair Bear Ursine Research and Production	Posted - 2009.12.29 03:13:00 - [415] So now he's "selling" his character to his own alt, and will be back. I guess 374B was not enough to rid ourselves of him after all. :( And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question?
Yin Xue	Posted - 2009.12.29 05:05:00 - [416] Ahhh Curzon, still around? http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1165845/page/1 I suggest everyone who gave him money should 'reach out and touch him'
Ambo I've Got Nothing	Posted - 2009.12.29 07:58:00 - [417] Originally by: Kapila Parthalan Originally by: Ambo Oops, wrong char, this is my main I told you so! You can't really say "I told you so!" You did say the offer was dumb, but then you said Originally by: Ambo I really don't believe you're aiming to scam or anything The terrible quality of the offering was pretty clear, but it seems that most people did not think that it would actually be a scam. hehe, very true. I didn't give him any isk though. --------------------------------------
Psiri	Posted - 2009.12.29 10:05:00 - [418] I still cannot fathom how players give loads of their hard earned isk to complete strangers, especially when the banks even turned out to be untrustworthy.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.12.29 10:13:00 - [419] Originally by: Psiri I still cannot fathom how players give loads of their hard earned isk to complete strangers, especially when the banks even turned out to be untrustworthy. Because the 95% legit business doesn't count in your book?
Jan Peter	Posted - 2009.12.29 13:33:00 - [420] zomg i got scammed by entity and dax.... Since dax wanted to quit anyway and realized the addictiveness of eve he wanted to do something that made him never return to eve. He didnt realize that he would hurt alot of people on christmas day. Was he shortsighted or doesnt he care about other people? The big question is Who is getting all his stuff... I bet 24b on entity...

Ronaldo Carrare RR Financial Services	Posted - 2009.12.29 14:12:00 - [421] Quote: I bet 24b on entity... I'll take the bet. Shall we contact Chribba and convince him to act as the 3rd party in the bet?
Goseph Gerbils	Posted - 2009.12.29 15:53:00 - [422] Originally by: Jan Peter zomg i got scammed by entity and dax.... Since dax wanted to quit anyway and realized the addictiveness of eve he wanted to do something that made him never return to eve. He didnt realize that he would hurt alot of people on christmas day. Was he shortsighted or doesnt he care about other people? The big question is Who is getting all his stuff... I bet 24b on entity... I bet the new main he is buying from teh char forums
Jessicat	Posted - 2009.12.29 16:01:00 - [423] Originally by: Goseph Gerbils Originally by: Jan Peter zomg i got scammed by entity and dax.... Since dax wanted to quit anyway and realized the addictiveness of eve he wanted to do something that made him never return to eve. He didnt realize that he would hurt alot of people on christmas day. Was he shortsighted or doesnt he care about other people? The big question is Who is getting all his stuff... I bet 24b on entity... I bet the new main he is buying from teh char forums True Since he lied about his "IPO", why should we actually believe that he's leaving EVE. He says he's ginven away alll his isk, yeah right! And who's getting the money from his char? His story still doesn't make any sense, Woulnd't be surprised if we hear about him some time in the near future. As for me, I hope he's gone for good.
Johnny Lotto	Posted - 2009.12.29 21:33:00 - [424] Hahah Joo guys got Foooking PwNED hahahahahahahahaha
Jan Peter	Posted - 2009.12.29 21:59:00 - [425] Originally by: Johnny Lotto Hahah Joo guys got Foooking PwNED hahahahahahahahaha This and this ipo is why eve should have a age restriction... kids and internetz...
Phoebe Halliwel	Posted - 2009.12.30 00:49:00 - [426] Originally by: Entity Posting to confirm Curzon and I had a little chitchat the other day and that I will be handling the payouts when he departs. On a side note, it looks like a good deal for everyone involved really :-) I see Entity has replied in C&P here (repeatedly), but I think this is the main thread and have yet to see a response. Whilst some small print was later added here, I don't think Entity has stated anything to MD since the scam was announced. Apparently I will admit to being somewhat of a crook confirms whilst Entity is a wealthy, and perhaps well liked player, he isn't someone who can be considered either a trusted 3rd party or a guarantor. I could be wrong there, I don't know his history, only the collector status. No offence, don't hurt me Entity Aherm. I have more of an issue with cosmo's endorsement, since he resides in MD and is held as both a trusted third party and acts in many ways as a spokesperson for the community, particularly when he gets to use capitals, ie SCAM. Now then; this is not a personal attack. I have no issue with cosmo and no wish to be crucified publically by his friends and supporters. That said, he made a massive misjudgement, not only here but on the Yih thing also. He acknowledges both of these issues, which is fair enough. My point here is directed at cosmo, its not meant in an obnoxious way, so I hope it will be considered reasonably. You, far more than anyone else appear to be concerned with reputation as a standard, which I do have an issue with, but is probably a subject which should be discussed at length elsewehere. In short my objection is the fact that you consider reputation to be a semi-reliable standard in eve financial offerings; which it is, for you. I doubt it is for many others and I think the game is designed in such a way as to defeat this. You seem to judge people as though they adhere to your own standards, or far far less, but there's little inbetween. You mentioned I think, some time ago that when you invest on the forums you do so with alts. I recall Hexxx saying something similar about avoiding posting support of offerings because it was potentially a compromise for him. Also Chribba refused to be involved in one of the dodgy offerings, claiming a neutrality issue, but it seemed obvious that it was the correct action for him. Obviously using alts to post affirmation of investments is to a point smoke and mirrors, but it's not an unacceptable practice. You don't appear to be doing this at the moment, which I think is damaging. I doubt the Yih and Curzon scams will affect you personally. They have affected others though and in my opinion a portion of blame resides with you for endorsing these questionable ventures so publically. You worked for your reputation, and it's deserved, no doubt, but now that you have it, I wonder if you can use it appropriately? Sorry, there really wasn't any way to say that politiely, although I did "fluff" it up a little, aka waffling =P Not even going to bother with the attention hoeing Curzon, who few will miss or remember. As someone else said, clap clap, bye. Only sad thing is no one took him up on the "reach out and touch them" practice, although... probably better not to, there's something really odd about someone who announces a scam like this on Christmas day, then justifies it with such bizarre posts, before running away.
ginlaan	Posted - 2009.12.30 01:03:00 - [427] Where is the proof this actually happened? I understand he got a fair sum from some of us but really what he claims has not been been seen has it? Am i missing a screenshot of the 250 billion in mods the rest in ships and isk? . Is there actual proof aside from a lying crook stating he did something? Maybe we can get some screenshots? I mean again here is the rep thing just because its curzon we are to believe him? I have seen time and time again of heist's only to have several post of Screenshots or it didn't happen. If i missed it then my fault.
Hydroblunt Gallente Puff Monkeys Inc	Posted - 2009.12.30 03:37:00 - [428] Originally by: Tiberizzle Originally by: Dretzle Omega Originally by: Tiberizzle Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha My last kitten got given me by a family friend veterinary. At 1 month old, "for fun", she got burned alive, bones broken, partially blinded and then put in a sacket and thrown in a garbage bin with basketball motion. confirming that Vaerah Vahrokha is a sick **** and horrible poster She's the one that did that to the kitten. I just can't see what would motivate her to do such horrible things to a helpless animal Vaerah Varokha - the new Jeffrey Dahmer? It's more likely than you think. Jesus christ, you need to get off these forums and go try to get a GED. Maybe after a few years of hard work & studying, you will be able to properly comprehend a post that is two sentences or longer.
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.12.30 03:51:00 - [429] Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel I have more of an issue with cosmo's endorsement, since he resides in MD and is held as both a trusted third party and acts in many ways as a spokesperson for the community, particularly when he gets to use capitals, ie SCAM. Now then; this is not a personal attack. I have no issue with cosmo and no wish to be crucified publically by his friends and supporters. That said, he made a massive misjudgement, not only here but on the Yih thing also. He acknowledges both of these issues, which is fair enough. My point here is directed at cosmo, its not meant in an obnoxious way, so I hope it will be considered reasonably. You, far more than anyone else appear to be concerned with reputation as a standard, which I do have an issue with, but is probably a subject which should be discussed at length elsewehere. In short my objection is the fact that you consider reputation to be a semi-reliable standard in eve financial offerings; which it is, for you. I doubt it is for many others and I think the game is designed in such a way as to defeat this. You seem to judge people as though they adhere to your own standards, or far far less, but there's little inbetween. You mentioned I think, some time ago that when you invest on the forums you do so with alts. I recall Hexxx saying something similar about avoiding posting support of offerings because it was potentially a compromise for him. Also Chribba refused to be involved in one of the dodgy offerings, claiming a neutrality issue, but it seemed obvious that it was the correct action for him. Obviously using alts to post affirmation of investments is to a point smoke and mirrors, but it's not an unacceptable practice. You don't appear to be doing this at the moment, which I think is damaging. I doubt the Yih and Curzon scams will affect you personally. They have affected others though and in my opinion a portion of blame resides with you for endorsing these questionable ventures so publically. You worked for your reputation, and it's deserved, no doubt, but now that you have it, I wonder if you can use it appropriately? Sorry, there really wasn't any way to say that politiely, although I did "fluff" it up a little, aka waffling =P Just as an FYI all my investments in 2009 have been done with Cosmoray. I have been burnt this year: Curzon Yih Nova Wayout another one I think (I can't remember right this second who it is). Yih burnt me plain and simple, even though I talked directly to karttoon and he sent me eve-mails STATING he was Yih. Some people petitioned this for impersonation of another character, but no dice apparently. Curzon I said was a stand up guy, because I had previous dealings with him and talked with him many a time, and played poker with him years ago. What did I learn this year? and, what should other people learn? Just because I used to trust I probably won't as much. I will also only handle third party lock downs, and brokerage. I will have no part of vouching for people or getting in the middle of wierd stuff. Make your own investment decisions. Use my information like an audit. Its just another bit of information, but make up your own decision whether to invest or not. Problem was before when I invested people used to contact me and talk to me about investing or would invest because I did. That was the reason I invested via ALTS. I can't win it seems.
Hydroblunt Gallente Puff Monkeys Inc	Posted - 2009.12.30 04:01:00 - [430] Originally by: cosmoray I can't win it seems. Try to use your brain. Seriously, I'm still trying to get my head around the fact that so many people actually fell for this. I actually thought at first that his initial post was a joke, not a real attempt to scam.

karttoon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.12.30 15:47:00 - [431] Originally by: cosmoray Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel I have more of an issue with cosmo's endorsement, since he resides in MD and is held as both a trusted third party and acts in many ways as a spokesperson for the community, particularly when he gets to use capitals, ie SCAM. Now then; this is not a personal attack. I have no issue with cosmo and no wish to be crucified publically by his friends and supporters. That said, he made a massive misjudgement, not only here but on the Yih thing also. He acknowledges both of these issues, which is fair enough. My point here is directed at cosmo, its not meant in an obnoxious way, so I hope it will be considered reasonably. You, far more than anyone else appear to be concerned with reputation as a standard, which I do have an issue with, but is probably a subject which should be discussed at length elsewehere. In short my objection is the fact that you consider reputation to be a semi-reliable standard in eve financial offerings; which it is, for you. I doubt it is for many others and I think the game is designed in such a way as to defeat this. You seem to judge people as though they adhere to your own standards, or far far less, but there's little inbetween. You mentioned I think, some time ago that when you invest on the forums you do so with alts. I recall Hexxx saying something similar about avoiding posting support of offerings because it was potentially a compromise for him. Also Chribba refused to be involved in one of the dodgy offerings, claiming a neutrality issue, but it seemed obvious that it was the correct action for him. Obviously using alts to post affirmation of investments is to a point smoke and mirrors, but it's not an unacceptable practice. You don't appear to be doing this at the moment, which I think is damaging. I doubt the Yih and Curzon scams will affect you personally. They have affected others though and in my opinion a portion of blame resides with you for endorsing these questionable ventures so publically. You worked for your reputation, and it's deserved, no doubt, but now that you have it, I wonder if you can use it appropriately? Sorry, there really wasn't any way to say that politiely, although I did "fluff" it up a little, aka waffling =P Just as an FYI all my investments in 2009 have been done with Cosmoray. I have been burnt this year: Curzon Yih Nova Wayout another one I think (I can't remember right this second who it is). Yih burnt me plain and simple, even though I talked directly to karttoon and he sent me eve-mails STATING he was Yih. Some people petitioned this for impersonation of another character, but no dice apparently. Curzon I said was a stand up guy, because I had previous dealings with him and talked with him many a time, and played poker with him years ago. What did I learn this year? and, what should other people learn? Just because I used to trust I probably won't as much. I will also only handle third party lock downs, and brokerage. I will have no part of vouching for people or getting in the middle of wierd stuff. Make your own investment decisions. Use my information like an audit. Its just another bit of information, but make up your own decision whether to invest or not. Problem was before when I invested people used to contact me and talk to me about investing or would invest because I did. That was the reason I invested via ALTS. I can't win it seems. What? I never spoke with you, ever. I was paid 500mil ISK + 50% investment profit to send you a two sentence eve mail, requested by a relatively new player trying to run an extremely obvious scam that you endorsed with almost zero verification and validation. Why on earth would I require ISK to steal from myself?
RAW23	Posted - 2009.12.30 16:01:00 - [432] Edited by: RAW23 on 30/12/2009 16:02:37 Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel I doubt the Yih and Curzon scams will affect you personally. They have affected others though and in my opinion a portion of blame resides with you for endorsing these questionable ventures so publically. You worked for your reputation, and it's deserved, no doubt, but now that you have it, I wonder if you can use it appropriately? Sorry, there really wasn't any way to say that politiely, although I did "fluff" it up a little, aka waffling =P Cosmo's reputation is as a trustworthy businessman/3rd party, not as a psychological analyst or omniscient pronouncer on all things MD. Anyone who invested who wouldn't have done so without Cosmo's endorsement deserves everything they get (well, not really ... no one deserves to be scammed other than those who have scammed themselves). I don't think any responsibility acrues to Cosmo on this one (the Yih thing was a bit more tricky) and nor does it reflect on his business reputation. At worst it reflects on his character judgement but, in a game like this, with anonymous players at remote locations I doubt anyone would do particularly well on this score. Edit - It's stunning that CCP won't take any action when Karttoon parades his EULA violation on a public forum once again.
Jan Peter	Posted - 2009.12.30 16:19:00 - [433] Originally by: RAW23 Edited by: RAW23 on 30/12/2009 16:02:37 Edit - It's stunning that CCP won't take any action when Karttoon parades his EULA violation on a public forum once again. same go's for curzon dax. Hes saying he dont onw the curzon dax char anymore and havnt sold it on the proper way.
flakeys T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.12.30 16:33:00 - [434] It's all just a bunch of trolling and bull** that is going on. Cosmoray stated his opinion, if that is enough for you to invest then it is you who is in fault for taking his opinion as a 100% scambuffer.I didn't invest you know why?Because i can think for my **ing self. Same goes for the yih topic.I did invest in it and 900 mille wich made me one of the biggest investors.I knew it was verry likely to be a scam but my ingame 'hatred' towards goons is big enough to take that risk for sure.Hell i'd probably do it again. Yih can say he got a lot of isk , his thread shows he only got a few billion isk , so believe a scammer's word or the written word , i know what i would choose.BUT allthough i did invest there was not one moment when it was appearent that it was a scam that i held either VV or cosmoray responsible.Those who do are to epeened to acknowledge their own misjudgement. And on that topic allmost everyone who is talking cosmoray down for missjudgement's on the forums lately are people who didn't invest in this offer or yih's.Hell most don't invest at all like hydroturt above.All they are here for is trolling and stroking their ego wich they can only do by talking others down.Easy to say: i told you so when the show's over ain't it?
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.12.30 16:38:00 - [435] Originally by: flakeys It's all just a bunch of trolling and bull** that is going on. Cosmoray stated his opinion, if that is enough for you to invest then it is you who is in fault for taking his opinion as a 100% scambuffer.I didn't invest you know why?Because i can think for my **ing self. Same goes for the yih topic.I did invest in it and 900 mille wich made me one of the biggest investors.I knew it was verry likely to be a scam but my ingame 'hatred' towards goons is big enough to take that risk for sure.Hell i'd probably do it again. Yih can say he got a lot of isk , his thread shows he only got a few billion isk , so believe a scammer's word or the written word , i know what i would choose.BUT allthough i did invest there was not one moment when it was appearent that it was a scam that i held either VV or cosmoray responsible.Those who do are to epeened to acknowledge their own misjudgement. And on that topic allmost everyone who is talking cosmoray down for missjudgement's on the forums lately are people who didn't invest in this offer or yih's.Hell most don't invest at all like hydroturt above.All they are here for is trolling and stroking their ego wich they can only do by talking others down.Easy to say: i told you so when the show's over ain't it? This TBH, while we may agree or disagree if cosmo did the right thing, it is in no way his responsibility to babysit MD!
Kapila Parthalan	Posted - 2009.12.30 16:59:00 - [436] I will agree that cosmoray made a massive misjudgment, but he only stated his personal assessment of the investment. His post stated that Curzon was reputable, in his opinion, and that he would invest, which barely constitutes an endorsement. Cosmoray does not share the blame for this scam.
Phoebe Halliwel	Posted - 2009.12.30 17:11:00 - [437] Originally by: flakeys It's all just a bunch of trolling and bull**** that is going on. And on that topic allmost everyone who is talking cosmoray down for missjudgement's on the forums lately are people who didn't invest in this offer or yih's.Hell most don't invest at all like hydroturt above.All they are here for is trolling and stroking their ego wich they can only do by talking others down.Easy to say: i told you so when the show's over ain't it? Hope that's not directed at me, because my comments were directed at cosmo, and have been answered. I was mainly curious as to why he switched from using alts to invest (which seemed appropriate) to using cosmo. Obviously people should use their own judgement when investing. Unfortunately there is a herd mentality, and as people respect some high profile MDers for their opinions, they will also occasionally throw isk at projects they are seen to endorse. It's not a new debate; other people have been criticised for doing this before. Whether it's justified or not is down to opinion, and depends on the situation. If anyone had come here to rant at cosmo for encouraging them to invest, they would have been smacked down by various people, deservedly. That hasn't happened. I didn't invest, I'm not saying I told you so, I really can't abide people who post purely to do that. But it still niggled at the back of my mind. I cringed when I saw this and the Yih thing pop up and was pretty surprised to see cosmo get involved. But, as he says, no one is perfect and quite often they are unfairly criticised whichever stance they take. Whilst I don't always agree with his opinions, I do respect them, and believe he does act as a spokesperson for the community (think of when people approached him to speak on their behalf to Ebank). It seems necessary to have people perfoming that service in a community this size. Before you get all outraged on someone elses behalf, read what cosmo actually wrote. He didn't seem outraged by the question and I don't see why anyone else would be. Just because someone is respected/well liked doesn't make them above criticism, in fact it's unhealthy to create that kind of environment. If I'd had the nerve I would have said something right at the start when cosmo first posted, but to be honest this kind of ranting (whether it's directed at me I can't tell) was what I expected, not from him but from other people eager to defend.
flakeys T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.12.30 17:26:00 - [438] And here you are SO wrong. Firstly it was not directed at you but that misses the point.After the yih incident there have been numerous posts with the same mentality as is thrown in here. You think i am here to defend the 'person' cosmoray , well i am not.I do not know him , talked to him ingame never but only had 2 mails going out and coming in to/from him. Most people who know me know how i am not a fan of MD rep to say the least.I defended A person who has been getting a lot of negative replies by either people who do not invest or people who did and then try to claim their missjudgement on someone else. If you see this as a rant then that is your perspective. I made the post to set straight what is bothering me since these comments i am talking about started.You say a lot of people follow the known MD people , well they learned a VERRY valuable lesson in this and in any past/future offer in wich they do so.
Hippopotamus Rex	Posted - 2009.12.30 18:56:00 - [439] I think a little criticism Cosmo's way is fair - in essence, he vouched for the Curzon. When you do so, you put part of your rep on the line. That's how vouching works. If there were supposed to be no consequences why post an endorsement at all? He made a judgement call, it was wrong, big deal. I'm sure, however, that prior to this little stunt, Curzon had been a standup guy in his dealings with Cosmo. To be honest, I think Cosmo's the real victim here. Curzon leveraged his relationships with people and got their endorsement while he had no intention of honouring his word. Thats pretty low. But I guess that doesn't enter into it for attention wh*res.
Freya's Valkyrie	Posted - 2009.12.30 20:53:00 - [440] I love seeing people get upset over pixels...

voogru Gallente Massive Damage MACHI MISCHIEF	Posted - 2009.12.31 07:09:00 - [441] People should beware of players asking for lots of ISK that say they are "quitting" EVE. I'm a little offended that I was personally asked to invest in this, but of course I knew better. This is EVE. Not Rainbows and Unicorns online. (No hard feelings!) Hate Farmers? Click Here
Kranwe Sentai	Posted - 2010.01.17 22:29:00 - [442] Just a quick update: Today I paid back everyone who sent me ISK. To those that said keep it, many thanks. To those who opted to trade their ISK for shares of my corp will receive their 10% monthly as promised. Thanks again to everyone. It's nice to be back on my feet!
Taram Caldar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.01.18 00:13:00 - [443] What baffles me is why anyone invested in this. No offense to Curzon but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that someone quitting EVE has no need for isk. "I'm quitting EVE, but give me your isk anyway" Fools: "Cool, I'll invest XYZ ISK" Yeah... no way that plan couldn't go wrong.... no way at all. TBH what Curzon did is lame as hell but, frankly, I have no sympathy for those who fell for it. It's not like it was hard to see the writing on the wall with this one. Want a sig made? Contact me in game. Click my sig to see samples
Lanais Suleia	Posted - 2010.01.18 03:38:00 - [444] Originally by: Hydroblunt In all seriousness, how freaking stupid can you be to actually fall for that joke of a scam? Well, just check the first 9 pages of the thread and you can see exactly how stupid. From here Originally by: Lanais Suleia Originally by: Curzon Dax Yih, I have no mail from you. I've offered you a fool-proof, free, trusted means of verifying what you're claiming without requiring an audit or a third party to hold your funds. The only reason to NOT do this is because you're making this up as you go along. Considering that you look to be on the crux of pulling your own epic ragequit scam "OMG I can't believe you guys gave me ISK to quit lololololol!", I'm not sure having you call him a scammer carries any weight whatsoever. But I'm not going anywhere near either of you with so much as a single ISK, so I'll just say: I'm poasting! But you gotta be more stupid than me.
The AEther Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2010.01.18 07:42:00 - [445] I remember reading Curzon's offering and contemplating the possibility of investing ... a known internet spaceship celebrity, right? Well something tipped me off that is wasn't as secure as he tried to make it sound. More precisely, I recalled it was a conversation we had 2-3 years ago where he was feeding me some chinese quotes that he got from some WoW-related website. At that point I understood he cared nothing for his reputation didn't really care much for his fellow players. And player who displays these traits cannot be trusted with billions of ISK.
corestwo Goonfleet Investment Banking GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.01.18 13:31:00 - [446] Originally by: RAW23 Edit - It's stunning that CCP won't take any action when Karttoon parades his EULA violation on a public forum once again. The only mention the EULA specifically makes with regards to impersonation is "No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity." which refers to things like pretending to be Selene D'Celeste by using the name "SeIene D'Celeste" (they look basically identical in-game). Likewise, the Character naming policy makes no mention of claiming to be another player as a violation, and the only mention of impersonation in the Terms of Service states that you can't impersonate or represent yourself as a CCP employee or Eve volunteer. Just thought I'd step in and set that straight.
RAW23	Posted - 2010.01.18 13:51:00 - [447] Originally by: corestwo Originally by: RAW23 Edit - It's stunning that CCP won't take any action when Karttoon parades his EULA violation on a public forum once again. The only mention the EULA specifically makes with regards to impersonation is "No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity." which refers to things like pretending to be Selene D'Celeste by using the name "SeIene D'Celeste" (they look basically identical in-game). Likewise, the Character naming policy makes no mention of claiming to be another player as a violation, and the only mention of impersonation in the Terms of Service states that you can't impersonate or represent yourself as a CCP employee or Eve volunteer. Just thought I'd step in and set that straight. I'm afraid that's not the case. A number of people petitioned CCP on this question, before bringing Karttoon's name up, and were told in no uncertain terms that pretending to be another character (i.e. pretending that another person's character was your alt) was a bannable offence. They then backpedalled when presented with this specific case and said they would need more proof in order to take action, amusingly asking players for proof that the players could clearly not provide but that CCP themselves could. I think flakeys gives more precise details of his petition back in Yih's thread.
Ray McCormack Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2010.01.18 14:47:00 - [448] Cosmoray is my alt. You can tell because of the 'ray' part. Do I get banned now? I'm afraid I'm with the Goons on this one, sending a mail claiming someone as your alt is hardly impersonation as defined by the EULA. Titan BPC For Sale \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
RAW23	Posted - 2010.01.18 15:52:00 - [449] Originally by: Ray McCormack I'm afraid I'm with the Goons on this one, sending a mail claiming someone as your alt is hardly impersonation as defined by the EULA. Tell that to CCP - they are the ones who appear to have consistency issues on this score. As for me, I think the EULA can certainly be read in a few different ways. That's what the petition system is supposed to clear up.
Soul Gazer Top Station Sherwood Forest	Posted - 2010.01.29 05:39:00 - [450] Is it to late for me to buy in to your IPO curzon?

Sofia Swift	Posted - 2010.01.31 21:13:00 - [451] Originally by: Sofia Swift lol im sorry but this whole thing is a scam... All the alts with the "1 bil sent" etc etc is a nice touch, but makes it obvious. Use better alts. hahahahahahahahahahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahahahahahahahaha All I gotta say is, told you so.. and pwned in your face nubs :) too funny.. been chuckling about this for 2 days now.


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