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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:12:00 -
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What will happen to capital ships with EVE Online: Dominion? Get the skinny from CCP Nozh's newest dev blog.
Fallout
Associate Community Manager
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Nightbird
SiN. Corp
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Nightbird on 19/11/2009 22:22:58
FIRST (*first time ever!!!!)
And might i say WEAK on the pushback of fighter bombers. If nothing else, keep MS the same, but include the fighter-bomber.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:22:00 -
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Hmm, so no changes at all for the MS then? Well better luck next time.
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Undertow Latheus
Minmatar
Monolithic.
Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:24:00 -
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awaiting the ****storm from mom pilots, since you guys are just letting moms and af's sit and rot for another 6 months. nice.
the short range turret changes look good, revelation won't be the only dread able to realistically use short range weapons. One thing im curious about though, what's with the stealth nerf to the naglfar of giving it 5% to turret dmg and 5% to missile RoF instead of its two 7.5% turret dps bonuses?
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Ranko
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:25:00 -
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So those ex-Mom pilots who sold their moms a few days ago for 6 bill per ship... *ouch*
hahahahahhaaha 
Anyway, glad they are not being altered.
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Bahamir
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:25:00 -
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CooL!
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Shnitz
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:30:00 -
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Sweet
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something somethingdark
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:32:00 -
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Thanks for listening and saving the mom for now
Citadel changes are a just a nerf
hint : small pos signature radius
Titan changes in the current iteration make it a mobile jumpbridge thats it
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Lolion Reglo
Demio's Corporation
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:38:00 -
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Wow im on the first page o.0?....
Anyway, I'm honestly glad CCP is taking this off the docket for Dominion. IT proves they saw they bit off more than they could chew and instead of destroying a ship class in the game they are only postponing the changes the class needs. Yeah sucks it wont be in this release but i look forward to when you get it right and that is not to say it has to be 6 months from ow in then ext expansion. I mean after all they released the change to rigs in a single down time in between expansions.... whats to say they cant do the same with Moms?
But to get more onto the details pertaining to the mother ship... i head the bonus of launching 3 more fighter per level was getting the axe because of the fighter bombers? I say this is a bad call as if you were going to change Moms to super carriers you should retain the ability to launch more fighters than a carrier but make it so you only get a finite amount of bombers if your concerned about DPS. Super carriers should have the distinct difference in terms of fighter support their small carrier cousins have to justify the x6 price difference.
Don't know if what i said was a groundless rumor but hey... thought id throw my 2 cents in from an aspiring mom pilot myself....hehe
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Soleil Fournier
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:42:00 -
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Thank you for not pushing out the ill-advised change in design on the moms. That is a great decision.
I hope that we don't have to wait another year or two to be fixed.
Thanks
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Aqua Tarkus
ZER0.
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:42:00 -
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This was fun actually:
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...but history has taught us that balancing by price is never a good idea.
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Mookuh
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:43:00 -
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my .02 ISK:
Put Motherships into the "logistical backbone of the fleet" role, so you can keep the old name, and give the fighter-bombers to... something else? Or make them remote-assignable but really expensive so it's worthy shooting them on the field.
Give moms the gang bonuses Titans currently give, and take away some of their pure damage potential when introducing the bombers, enlarge ship array, let 'em keep the clone vat bay etc.
Titans should instead be combat juggernauts... especially if you want to see them on the field more often, because if their main job is to be the logistical backbone of a fleet, chances are they won't be warping onto the battlefield.
On another note:
If motherships won't get changed for Dominion, will their HP also not be boosted? Meaning 2 Titans can insta-DD a mothership?
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Seth Rock
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:43:00 -
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Thanks for at least listening to us and realizing that the changes would have broke them even more.
I can think of an easy solution that has been suggested a few times to fix the issue with fighterbombers.
-reduce the bandwith of them
-keep the 20 fighters and drones
-"maybe" include a type of dcu for fighterbombers to where if the pilot wants more they would have to lose a highslot fitting the dcu.
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SuperSarge
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:43:00 -
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Won't Moms get killed by a single(or maybe 2) titans? Give hp boost at least :/
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The Mittani
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:44:00 -
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The playerbase tested the new motherships over several weeks on SiSi and found them good.
Some genius put you in charge of Abathur's good work, and now you've not only screwed up all the effort that went into testing those ships, now there's to be no improvement at all.
Where is your credibility on caps? Who are you? Have you fought in a supercapital, lost a supercapital on the field?
Is this the new CCP, or the old CCP rearing its terrible, incompetent head?
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Fogy
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:44:00 -
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1 word. FAIL.
CCP Nozh... i repeat my initial comment from the last thread..
GO AWAY !
Cheers!
Fogy
PS. FREE ABATHUR!
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Princess Xenia
Caldari
Scion Innovations
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:47:00 -
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How to make better graphs:
Use same colour theme.
Maybe construct 'new values' graphs including BOTH old and the upcoming changes. (dotted / slashed / solid lines?)
Makes for easier interpretation.
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Amber Bock
The Hull Miners Union
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:48:00 -
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How about you use the original mothership changes instead of "were looking into it."
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Battle Tested
Shiva
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:49:00 -
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:49:00 -
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"Capital ship fights rarely if ever happen at short distances. "
I don't know what game you're talking about but in the internet spaceship game Eve Online this statement is patently false.
Originally by: Iroku Mata
Darius is time to STFU and make your GSM place free for someone who got the humildity to have the job you claim and failled!
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Letifer Deus
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: Letifer Deus on 19/11/2009 22:50:57
Oddly, my post saying how much of a FAILURE this is gets deleted. Yet the people posting one-word replies of "cool!" and "sweet!" get to stay. Remember, you're CCP, not CCCP. 
-Motherships are back to being in the "land of the forgotten" with AFs, deimos, rockets, nag, etc.
-Nag goes back to split weapon suckage, almost immediately after it became worthwhile as a result of MASSIVE player petitions and interaction with YOUR balancing staff.
-titan goes from driveby subcap gang killer to doing nothing but jump bridging and instaganking carriers and dreads aggrod on stations. Because let's be honest: in a major cap fight (on that might bring titans), killing a dread every 10 minutes means nothing and doing just over dread dps from regular weapons will never get a dread to stay on the field.
All in all, BRAVO!
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Kieselguhr Kid
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:50:00 -
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Capital ship fights rarely if ever happen at short distances.
next time, please put this in the first sentence of the OP so I can stop reading there
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Vadinho
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:50:00 -
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i said this one already but-- ccp nozh, in fixing what isnt broken until it is broken and stomping on what is broken until its fragile amber crystals are pulverized into a shimmering power, will accomplish what we failed to do in four years of trying
he will destroy the game
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Esna Pitoojee
Amarr
TalCorp Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:51:00 -
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Abathur seemed to have this all worked out and all under control.
Can someone honestly explain to me why this was taken away from Abathur? The delays, redesign after redesign, and general levels of unhappyness displayed by the playerbase should have said something about that choice.
(All fairness to CCP here - putting Abathur on the Sov mechanics project was a good idea, given Abathur's past. Still doesn't explain why he was taken off this, though.)
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Zxmagus
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:51:00 -
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He's missing the whole damn point about the risk rewards of short range fights, they should be encouraging hot dropping at face love range, stop forcing every fight to sniper ranges and give us more tactical options.
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Sertan Deras
Gallente
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:51:00 -
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Did he just say most capital fights don't happen at short range?
For god sake...CCP, get developers that play your game and have even a little bit of a clue. Just a little bit would be nice. Glad I didn't save up any cash for an MS and just sold my capital pilot, because you people wouldn't have a clue what to do with capital ships if a good idea walked up and slapped you in the head.
Seriously, the level of incompetence this takes is astounding.
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Sophie Daigneau
CAPITAL Assistance in Destruction Society
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Sophie Daigneau on 19/11/2009 22:52:53
CCP has finally done what Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, and Barrack Obama have all tried to do...united the entire world behind a single cause.
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Telender
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:54:00 -
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The mothership changes were literally the ONLY THING I was looking forward to for this patch. Luckily this blog came out just hours before I threw 5 billion isk worth of minerals into the cooker. I should have known that the CCP that deleted my boot.ini would be equally as incompetent in implementing last minute changes to their patch.
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Capital ship fights rarely if ever happen at short distances.
That is a quote from the devblog where you apparently think that people only have capital fights at range 80 or 100 or something. Point blank capital fights happen ALL THE TIME. You need to go back to the days where your developers actually belong to alliances that use these ships and PLAY THE GAME (clearly with tighter controls on who is doing what cause, heh, T20).
Anyway...back to your awesome plan where 15 billion isk motherships can be alpha'd by your new titan doomsdays weapons.
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afrobus
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Esna Pitoojee
(All fairness to CCP here - putting Abathur on the Sov mechanics project was a good idea, given Abathur's past. Still doesn't explain why he was taken off this, though.)
obviously he just wasnt incompetent enough.
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The Slayer
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.19 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: The Slayer on 19/11/2009 22:55:09
Where the hell did Seleene go, he listened to us and his ideas were fantastic, this nozh guy is an utter scrub.
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