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Burzrujat
Natural Talent
9
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:25:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Burzrujat wrote:I am baffled by all of these people claiming that the old UI was user-friendly and click-efficient. That's largely because it was. It required far less clicking and scrolling (and waiting) than the new one does. It was also far more customisable to your needs and to the uses of the specific inventory locations, not to mention far more space-efficient. It had one inefficiency: you had to stack up your windows the first time you came across a new type, but that's about it. The new UI is utterly and completely misapplied. It would have been a good replacement for the asset windows, and could have been a somewhat useful expansion (not replacement) of the station and corp hangars GÇö it's a horrid replacement for the general inventory windows because it tries to do something quite stupid: it's trying to treat windows with vastly different uses and purposes as if they were all the same.
Let me be more clear... I'm not saying that the new one is efficient and user-friendly. My point is, the old one was also not efficient nor user-friendly. Perhaps the old one was more efficient/user-friendly than the current; the difference isn't a big deal to me, but I agree that there is a difference. The main point that I (unsuccessfully) tried to communicate is that the EVE UI is not very good in either incarnation. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
752
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:26:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Davina Sienar wrote: Are You Joking ? A "few" pages about that UnifiedCraptory in Forums .... weeks went by, 100's of suggestions, feedback etc.... and ??? nothing ? Listening to memberbase ? nahh thats too silly Corphangar Icon and Tabs ? no Shiphangar Icon ? no stupid "my filter" and "shiphangar" still or even again expanded to max in that ****** tree... yes I dont see any change besides that useless star icon in corphangar sections ^^ forget it and btw the drake model is pretty uncool now What?
Ill try and translate.
Many members asked that when the corp hangar is selected, all its slots be shown as tabs, and not on the tree. CCP said it was listening to the members, yet the plea for the return of this feature fell on deaf ears.
Many members asked for separate buttons for item hangar, ship hangar and corp hangar, rather than first having to open an inventory window, then doing a second click. CCP said it was listening to the members, yet the plea for the return of this feature fell on deaf ears.
Now on the other hand, the poster above needs to understand that "listening" does not equal "doing". Someone can hear you, completely understand where you are coming from, all your reasons and logic, and still decide to do something else if they think that other course of action is better. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Jiji Hamin
Aliastra Gallente Federation
74
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:27:00 -
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Lyron-Baktos wrote:see the Minmatar fans are complaining about the ship colors, just like us Amarr fans did a month ago. When is the art team going to step up to the plate with a dev blog to explain what is going on with the art?
there is a difference between "some players dislike it" and "all players dislike it." I personally adore the new amarr and think they are consistently among the nicest looking ships in eve. the idea that they need to "step up to the plate" when they are producing stunning work is just silly. they look incredible.
there is a lot of uncool **** going on with this patch and its deployment, but the art team gets lots of love for their recent work in my opinion. |
Burzrujat
Natural Talent
9
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:28:00 -
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Also, I am quite pissed that the fins on the Vagabond were removed. |
Jiji Hamin
Aliastra Gallente Federation
74
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:31:00 -
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Burzrujat wrote:Also, I am quite pissed that the fins on the Vagabond were removed.
to be fair, it's a little weird that they did that when they left the doodads on other T2 variants like the enyo/ishkur. |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
252
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:36:00 -
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Jiji Hamin wrote:Lyron-Baktos wrote:see the Minmatar fans are complaining about the ship colors, just like us Amarr fans did a month ago. When is the art team going to step up to the plate with a dev blog to explain what is going on with the art? there is a difference between "some players dislike it" and "all players dislike it." I personally adore the new amarr and think they are consistently among the nicest looking ships in eve. the idea that they need to "step up to the plate" when they are producing stunning work is just silly. they look incredible. there is a lot of uncool **** going on with this patch and its deployment, but the art team gets lots of love for their recent work in my opinion.
to be fair, there have been a ton of complaints about the new art. Granted some people like it, but there are equal numbers, if not more, people that do not like it.
That and the fact that it is such a big change from the norm, warrants a response imo
On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton where the dripping patchouli was more than scent, It was a sun-á |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
386
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:38:00 -
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Patch took a bit to download, figure that's because tons of people were doing the same. No noticeable drops in performance reported by others, noticed the UI remembering my sidebar widths, although that's going to require a bit more testing since I only ran and salvaged one anom and did some boring admin this morning.
BTW, looting is p nice now, that was fixed for me a patch or two ago, no real UI complaints and I notice the list items being greyed out if they're out of reach? Still, the list could be easier to manage for a POS with corporate hanger, not sure how to do that. It's just a small tower for one guy, though...
New Drake looks great, no input on Minmatar since I stopped flying them a few months ago. Nothing Found |
Crakachunky
Stargate SG-1 Fatal Ascension
8
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:39:00 -
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Min V3 needs to be more "rusty metal" and less "murky stale water" brown, also there was no need to lighten any of the ships, i liked them dark + i don't recall anymore complaining about it
~Craka |
May O'Neez
Flying Blacksmiths
27
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:39:00 -
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Regarding V3 minmatar update ---
First impression:
Tempest Fleet Issue is now a mere black Tempest (this one being also darkish). As a ship it looks nice (although being very DARK like charcoal) but ... it is no more different from the regular Tempest, which makes me a bit sad. Propulsion flares blink a lot, I don't remember of this before.
Further tests:
T1 ships render is no more red and rusty, it is now brown. On some models like the hoarder it even looks like plastic. I think it is a matter of being used to. New Tornado looks nice for example. I think I could used to most of revamps of T1 models, once texture get a bit crisper.
However ... I don't like at all T2 ones.
In a general manner, from what I saw, every T2/faction ship is now a darker version of the original model, no more variations in the hull neither color (only of being, DARK). That sounds like regression and I sincerely hope that it will change in the future ... At the moment I checked on Tempest Fleet Issue (too dark !), Sabre (looks really like a piece of charcoal), Cheetah, Claymore (very ugly, so dark we can't see anything ! I really miss the blue color :( :( ), and Jaguar (too dark, again).
Icons textures reload each time I switch from a client to another, and also after each jump. Was not the case before. And it takes a loooong time to load. It is very annoying. |
Pat0chan
Fake World
24
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:41:00 -
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HI there,
- lots of LAG, even when all graphic details are switch off (can't see amazing flares, super great turret animation, trails... ) - become super laggy when approaching POS (the fluidity remind me games in the 80's) - UI is "better" than before but still not as good, efficient, slick, simple than our DEAR OLD system! still a fact.
But I'm glad it worked after first patch release... keep the good job going CCP
BTW when are we gonna get all this great Inferno features, the real one..... modules, pos updates, ship (new one), mining in planet dust belts, explosions...
Fly safe
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PinkKnife
The Scope Gallente Federation
143
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:44:00 -
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Since it seems many posters don't keep up with the test server forum.
I will enlighten.
Many of the Minmatar models are due for refreshing/remodeling soon, as such, it doesn't make sense to spend a lot of time on artwork that is going to be replaced soon. Hence why they feel a bit unfinished in some areas.
The individual ship differences and other fixes will likely be included in the next patch/update much as the Amarr ship logos were fixed in 1.1.
The UI has always been a breeze for me, I dislike the green outline because it looks garish and gaudy when my UI is monotone, but I understand some people felt it needed.
More importantly though, Just because the issues you want fixed weren't included in this patch, doesn't mean it won't be fixed/iterated upon in the next patch. Alternatively, your individual opinion doesn't have a hard line to the devs mind. Simply because you find X to be Y, doesn't mean the Devs agree, or will implement as you want. It also doesn't mean all/some/any other people feel the same way. |
Ivanna Dance
zzzNightmarezzz TriMark Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:46:00 -
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I've been playing with the features from this release on Sisi for some time, so I'm sort of used to what was coming already. The Unified Inventory is still a pain in the behind to use. It will need many more iterations before it will be fast and user-friendly. It offers a lot of power over the old, un-unified system, but at the expense of a learning curve and numerous issues, many of which we hope you'll fix along the way.
The Minmatar ships: Really? They are not good. Taking the winglets of the Vaga is probably a shining example of what NOT to do when upgrading graphics on existing ships. People loved the Vaga's winglets, they gave it sort of a Dragonesque appearance that set it far above the Stabber. Now what? It's just a stabber with a slightly different color scheme. Boo!!!! Thumbs down. We were told in the Sisi forums that it was a bug you were fixing. Crap.
The Fleet Tempest looks horrible. It's muddy and blurry and Just not cool in any way anymore. At least the Vargur still is. Up-sizing the Rifter?? Come on! The Rifter looked bad-a$$ed with guns that were 1/3 the size of the ship (it seemed) now the guns look tiny on it. How about a happy medium, if there were fitment issues with new models (missiles, etc).
Overall I see some new ships I like, but a lot of the Minnie ships don't give any sort of wow factor, as did the Amarr, Gallente, and Caldari after their V3 treatments. In many cases, they got worse. Is the art department just tired after all that work? Give 'em a vacation and ask them to come back refreshed, and give us a real upgrade on appearances.
Not really happy with this release. Oh yeah, and as I am dual boxing now, my graphics card is working harder than it used to if I had three accounts running before, either in station OR in space. Performance issues will kill the game faster than anything else. I can't imagine anyone playing with a lower-end system and using more than one account anymore. |
icy ghost
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:49:00 -
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Didn't see it in the notes about the auto spiral in |
Stridsflygplan
Black Flag Operations The Kadeshi
13
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:49:00 -
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fix vaga please |
May O'Neez
Flying Blacksmiths
27
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:49:00 -
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Quote:Many of the Minmatar models are due for refreshing/remodeling soon, as such, it doesn't make sense to spend a lot of time on artwork that is going to be replaced soon. Hence why they feel a bit unfinished in some areas.
I saw somewhere discussions around shaders update to put back the rust, devs were stating that the new looking of "blurry" is due to paradoxaly more accurate effects being applied. So ... wait and see. |
Grady Eltoren
Aviation Professionals for EVE
68
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:50:00 -
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PinkKnife wrote:Since it seems many posters don't keep up with the test server forum.
I will enlighten.
Many of the Minmatar models are due for refreshing/remodeling soon, as such, it doesn't make sense to spend a lot of time on artwork that is going to be replaced soon. Hence why they feel a bit unfinished in some areas.
The individual ship differences and other fixes will likely be included in the next patch/update much as the Amarr ship logos were fixed in 1.1.
The UI has always been a breeze for me, I dislike the green outline because it looks garish and gaudy when my UI is monotone, but I understand some people felt it needed. Largely, the old UI wasn't easier, you were just used to it. Change for many people is difficult to manage.
More importantly though, Just because the issues you want fixed weren't included in this patch, doesn't mean it won't be fixed/iterated upon in the next patch. Alternatively, your individual opinion doesn't have a hard line to the devs mind. Simply because you find X to be Y, doesn't mean the Devs agree, or will implement as you want. It also doesn't mean all/some/any other people feel the same way.
I like the UI - so I will come out and say it to all the people on here that hate it. I think most people do.
In RE: to the Minnie V3 - I think most agree they need work. I appreciate your speaking FOR CCP as you are on Sisi and it is appreciated. But they need to come out and put that sort of info in the Patch notes instead of leaving players out to dry thinking this is what their ships will look like for the forseeable future. Don't you agree?
Third - Minnie ships are still to brown/yellow. Bring back the RED hues. In regard to the T2 variants - I don't mind the dark (almost black/charcoal) apprearance. It is kind of Unique and cool but now that many mention it I don't see many Differences in the T2 v T1 ships for Minmatar.
So my question is to you Pinknife -
What are the normal players missing here in regards to upcoming ship changes that we can thus channel our efforts into developer feedback??? Also a timeline would be nice OR some sort of DEVBLOG feedback as this forum feedback iteration of EVE seems to be very devoid of it today and I can't figure out why. |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
194
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:51:00 -
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The quality of the Minmatar V3 textures varies a lot I must say. One of the worse examples is the Hurricane, which looks absolutely flat (definitely worse than before). Others look good, like most of the cruisers and their T2 variants, or the Nag. |
Saile Litestrider
Clann Fian
13
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:53:00 -
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Jiji Hamin wrote:there is a difference between "some players dislike it" and "all players dislike it." I personally adore the new amarr and think they are consistently among the nicest looking ships in eve. the idea that they need to "step up to the plate" when they are producing stunning work is just silly. they look incredible.
there is a lot of uncool **** going on with this patch and its deployment, but the art team gets lots of love for their recent work in my opinion. I'm not trying to bash you, everyone is entitled to their opinion and ides of aesthetics can vary quite widely.
But because I personally can't find a single thing I like about Amarr V3 over the previous skins, I'd just like to hear specifics, in the hope that it might make me less annoyed with the changes (particularly the fact that I now double-take several times and squint really hard to make sure I am in fact in my pilgrim and not simply an arbitrator by mistake). |
Grady Eltoren
Aviation Professionals for EVE
68
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:56:00 -
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FEEDBACK:
NEX STORE:
What about all the different color shoes and stuff that were in the game that didn't get released. I.E. Heels, there were turquoise, White, etc.... Instead we get black, red and I forget.
You released some of them - why not all?? At least make people able to pick which color version of a purchased item they want.
Also - a plain black shirt for 300 AURUM but a cool camo tank-top for 100....it doesn't make sense. Should be reversed in price.
I want to return the AURUM items I bought today and didn't like...Can I get a refund or petition for it? K-MART does it, why can't CCP? : ) |
Dorna Loone
Dark Star Demolition
3
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Posted - 2012.06.25 18:58:00 -
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I refuse to thank anyone for updates to the Hangar System! This new system is still the most enormous pain to use. How can I open my corp windows - neatly stacked - with a simple click (OK - at a push I'll setle for 2 or 3) - each time I want to get at them without keeping them open all the time ? I'm probably dumb and stupid for hating this new, fantastic, system so much but, for me it (a) adds absulutely NOTHING to the previosus one (b) involves at least 3 times the clicking, usually holding 'shift' as well, to get to any inventory location I want to look at . Roll this f**g mess out and stop dicking about with it. |
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Jiji Hamin
Aliastra Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:06:00 -
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Saile Litestrider wrote:Jiji Hamin wrote:there is a difference between "some players dislike it" and "all players dislike it." I personally adore the new amarr and think they are consistently among the nicest looking ships in eve. the idea that they need to "step up to the plate" when they are producing stunning work is just silly. they look incredible.
there is a lot of uncool **** going on with this patch and its deployment, but the art team gets lots of love for their recent work in my opinion. I'm not trying to bash you, everyone is entitled to their opinion and ides of aesthetics can vary quite widely. But because I personally can't find a single thing I like about Amarr V3 over the previous skins, I'd just like to hear specifics, in the hope that it might make me less annoyed with the changes (particularly the fact that I now double-take several times and squint really hard to make sure I am in fact in my pilgrim and not simply an arbitrator by mistake).
in a nutshell? I remember a while ago hearing some art design devs talking about the amarr CQ and saying the word "cultish" and I think that sums it up for me. the amarrian ships look damn sexy to me. I flew them before, and they looked cool, but they look just plain evil-er now, they look creepy and cultish and awesome. minnie look cool, but i can relate to the complaints from pilots who started flying minnie when they looked one way and now they look different. but amarr, in my opinion, just look so ******* badass now. i can't speak for the red-gold changes on the CC ships, i took them for a testflight on sisi and loved the crusader and paladin, but i haven't been flying those ships since patch. i thought they looked good before and looked good after. |
PinkKnife
The Scope Gallente Federation
145
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:07:00 -
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Grady Eltoren wrote:
So my question is to you Pinknife -
What are the normal players missing here in regards to upcoming ship changes that we can thus channel our efforts into developer feedback??? Also a timeline would be nice OR some sort of DEVBLOG feedback as this forum feedback iteration of EVE seems to be very devoid of it today and I can't figure out why.
First, I don't speak for CCP, at all, i'm just a player who follows the test server forum pretty heavily. All, and I do mean ALL of the issues brought up here have been posted in that forum already.
Another issues is that the vast majority of the playerbase doesn't follow the forums, won't comment on things, and mostly can't be arsed to give their opinion. The people who have no problem with the inventory UI aren't likely to come on here and say, oh yeah working fine, versus the people that hate it, and want it change,d are.
It is a standard sampling and feedback error that comes about in most customer service aspects of companies.
The only thing I know of that they have said is that many of the older ships are due for remodels/reiterations, Beyond that I haven't heard anything. If you want to know though, hop over to the test server feedback forum and check out some of the threads there.
Jiji Hamin wrote: But amarr, in my opinion, just look so ******* badass now. i can't speak for the red-gold changes on the CC ships, i took them for a testflight on sisi and loved the crusader and paladin, but i haven't been flying those ships since patch. i thought they looked good before and looked good after.
Confirming Absolution is the sexiest ship in the game. |
Jiji Hamin
Aliastra Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:19:00 -
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PinkKnife wrote:Grady Eltoren wrote:
So my question is to you Pinknife -
What are the normal players missing here in regards to upcoming ship changes that we can thus channel our efforts into developer feedback??? Also a timeline would be nice OR some sort of DEVBLOG feedback as this forum feedback iteration of EVE seems to be very devoid of it today and I can't figure out why.
First, I don't speak for CCP, at all, i'm just a player who follows the test server forum pretty heavily. All, and I do mean ALL of the issues brought up here have been posted in that forum already. Another issues is that the vast majority of the playerbase doesn't follow the forums, won't comment on things, and mostly can't be arsed to give their opinion. The people who have no problem with the inventory UI aren't likely to come on here and say, oh yeah working fine, versus the people that hate it, and want it change,d are. It is a standard sampling and feedback error that comes about in most customer service aspects of companies. The only thing I know of that they have said is that many of the older ships are due for remodels/reiterations, Beyond that I haven't heard anything. If you want to know though, hop over to the test server feedback forum and check out some of the threads there. Jiji Hamin wrote: But amarr, in my opinion, just look so ******* badass now. i can't speak for the red-gold changes on the CC ships, i took them for a testflight on sisi and loved the crusader and paladin, but i haven't been flying those ships since patch. i thought they looked good before and looked good after.
Confirming Absolution is the sexiest ship in the game.
but the prophecy hull in general has ALWAYS been sexy. but i love the little lights on the sides of the nose on the new one just to harp on a little detail. anyway, haven't seen/flown an abso on live server since patch. |
VLAD VIRONS
X-SENSE Security
22
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:23:00 -
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Confirming - there no Minmatar race anymore.
P.S. Scimitar, Thrasher etc r now Caldari. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
386
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:30:00 -
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Jiji Hamin wrote:Saile Litestrider wrote:But because I personally can't find a single thing I like about Amarr V3 over the previous skins, I'd just like to hear specifics, in the hope that it might make me less annoyed with the changes in a nutshell? No more butter-yellow. Amarr look golden now. I don't feel like my corp name is appropriate when flying an Arbitrator anymore, and this is a good thing. Nothing Found |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
678
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:30:00 -
[116] - Quote
You totally failed to actually address the major problem with war declaration cost scaling. Wonderful. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
335
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:35:00 -
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When I undock my Domi - it is so close it feels like it is going to fall out of the monitor. You want fries with that? |
Jiji Hamin
Aliastra Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:35:00 -
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VLAD VIRONS wrote:Confirming - there no Minmatar race anymore. P.S. Scimitar, Thrasher etc r now Caldari. Get rid of BLUE/BROWN pls, give us corrosion and rust BACK!
because rust happens in space |
Loardriver
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:36:00 -
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Forum have EVE Technology and Research Center division, right? - Right. There we have Test Server Feedback, right? - Right. There lives Amarr V3 Problems topic - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=108567&find=unread
ANY ONE OFF CCP REED THIS TOPIC BEFORE INFERNO 1.1 DEPLOYMENT???!
Amarr V3 have still have some problems:
Carthum Conglomerate logo is painted, like Minmatars logos, other Amarr logos in 3D-style. Sentinel (T2 EAF) still have wrong logo. Abaddon`s jet are still terrible. Punisher hull have curve line of front illuminator.
it was posted : 2012.06.12 (TWO !!! ....one pus one ) week ago! |
Joseph O'Neil
Power of the Phoenix
2
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Posted - 2012.06.25 19:41:00 -
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Since almost everyone in here is simply whining about the chances to the inventory or ship models , I'll ask this question myself.
CCP, in the patch notes you mentioned this:
"The transition between systems when jumping through a stargate has been improved; the camera will point at the same nebula area between jumps."
I'd like to know exactly what you mean by this, as I haven't noticed anything different when jumping through a stargate. Was it even put in? Or am I just missing something here...
Thanks in advance.
Btw I LOVE the way the Amarr ships look. Absolution = sexiest ship in the game. |
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